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Dear Prassana,

Attaching herewith a handout for "Conjunctivitis".

Regards,

Smiles

-----Original Message-----From: indiansafetyprofessionals [mailto:indiansafetyprofessionals ]On Behalf Of Prasannakumar, D HSent: 28/11/2006 9:13 AMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: (unknown)

Dear all,

Can any body please provide tips for preventing Madras Eye?

Regards,

Prasannakumar

Delphi automotive systems

Bangalore

Mobile : +919845000349

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention....our kids gain a fear of going and a distrust that it won't hurt. It takes months for them to gain trust that going poo won't hurt...it was about 3 months before my son gained trust. Now he says he doesn't have that problem anymore...but he does. He says it NEVER hurts to go anymore...it would if he didn't continue with these preventative measures. Deanna

To: miralax@...Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 9:50:14 PMSubject: (unknown)

Oh, my goodness. That just clicked for me. While my daughter was on Miralax, she would often gag when I was feeding her oatmeal cereal. I thought she was reacting to the taste or consistency, but ever since she has been off the MiraNot! a few of her symptoms, including the gag reflex, the persistent diaper rash, and inability to gain weight (not thriving), have faded away. We do still struggle with the constipation, brought on by the withholding behavior, we suspect. I am about to do some research on Fletcher's Castoria. Anyone who has tried it who can tell me if this is a good natural stool softener? I do not want to end up going from worst to a worse, if you know what I mean.. I think my daughter would benefit greatly from a natural stool softener, one that would make it impossible for her to hold back her BMs.Thanks,MamaLu

From: Parsons <teresaparsons45@ yahoo.com>To: miralax@yahoogroups ..comSent: Sat, December 12, 2009 9:21:47 PMSubject: Re: / old post list of side affects

Jeanie, you know whats weird after reading these symptoms? Keep in mind I only give him 1 small teaspoon of miralax, my son went pee only twice all day today. He usually goes a lot more than twice through out the day. Also while eating his dinner tonight he gagged a couple of times. He never does that either.

From: jeanie ward <dreamjeanie@ att.net>To: "miralax@yahoogroup s.com" <miralax@yahoogroups .com>Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 5:16:26 PMSubject: / old post list of side affects

From: kendraharrell@ rocketmail. com <kendra018gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: LGSTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:19 AM

also reported ....pervasive bad thoughts. tic disorder, headache, stomach ache, I think I read metabolic acidosis,something I wish I had examined w/ my dd & also a symptom of antifreeze posioning, how telling > First, @Angi and : here's a chewable fiber vitamin you may want to try http://www.amazon./ com/dp/B000F7VAL 6/ref=asc_ df_B000F7VAL6958 184?smid= A2HNE2QZYB5EFZ & tag=dealtmp52798 -20 & linkCode= asn & creative= 380341 & creativeA SIN=B000F7VAL6 > > I just bought the box for my daughter, but haven't given it to her yet so not sure if MY picky eater will like em or not, but thought you might want to try...> > I'm new to the group and have been reading the threads with great interest. A little background: I have a 25-month old daughter who has been on Miralax since she was 18 months old. Her constipation started in earnest when she turned 12 months and I put her on whole milk. When I took her off after

mitigating her constipation with a glycerin enema and some flax boiled in water, she was back to normal. I kept her on her formula (Comfort Cultures by Nestle worked best for her - has probiotics) until her pediatrician told me to put her back> on milk for the vitamin D. I did. Within a week, she was back to being constipated. This led to the Miralax and her pediatrician suggesting that I up her dose when even w/ the Miralax my baby was still getting hard stools. My baby was supposed to be on Miralax for 30 days. It has now been 5 months and she seems to be needing more over time, not less. At my brother's urging, I began to look into possible side effects with long-term use of Miralax. I was never comfortable with the idea of treating her constipation with chemicals anyway. I came across this group through my readings. Everything I have read so far has only firmed my

decision to take my dd off Miralax. In fact, I spoke w/ her pediatrician on Friday and told her I wanted other more natural alternatives.> > Some of the symptoms my dd has been experiencing are very loose/watery stools, loss of appetite, increased thirst; extremely itchy> and persistent rash in her diaper area and around her mouth (not itchy around her mouth); no weight gain since she started on Miralax (she's 25 months and 23lbs, 31 inches), some vomiting.  Once the pediatrician found out about the lack of weight gain, she re> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.> Enter now: http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ homepageset/>

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I personally think their fear of pooping is more than it hurting their bottom to

go.

 

> >>>> First, @Angi and :  here's a chewable fiber vitamin you may want

to try http://www.amazon./ com/dp/B000F7VAL 6/ref=asc_ df_B000F7VAL6958

184?smid= A2HNE2QZYB5EFZ & tag=dealtmp52798 -20 & linkCode= asn & creative=

380341 & creativeA SIN=B000F7VAL6 

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not sure if MY picky eater will like em or not, but thought you might want to

try....

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> >>>> I'm new to the group and have been reading the threads with great

interest.  A little background:  I have a 25-month old daughter who has

been on Miralax since she was 18 months old.  Her constipation started in

earnest when she turned 12 months and I put her on whole milk.  When I took

her off after mitigating her constipation with a glycerin enema and some flax

boiled in water, she was back to normal.  I kept her on her formula (Comfort

Cultures by Nestle worked best for her - has probiotics) until her pediatrician

told me to put her back

> >>>> on milk for the vitamin D.  I did.  Within a week, she was back to

being constipated.  This led to the Miralax and her pediatrician suggesting

that I up her dose when even w/ the Miralax my baby was still getting hard

stools.  My baby was supposed to be on Miralax for 30 days.  It has now

been 5 months and she seems to be needing more over time, not less.  At my

brother's urging, I began to look into possible side effects with long-term use

of Miralax.  I was never comfortable with the idea of treating her

constipation with chemicals anyway.  I came across this group through my

readings.  Everything I have read so far has only firmed my decision to take

my dd off Miralax. In fact, I spoke w/ her pediatrician on Friday and told her I

wanted other more natural alternatives.

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> >>>> Some of the symptoms my dd has been experiencing are very loose/watery

stools, loss of appetite, increased thirst; extremely itchy

> >>>> and persistent rash in her diaper area and around her mouth (not itchy

around her mouth); no weight gain since she started on Miralax (she's 25 months

and 23lbs, 31 inches), some vomiting.   Once the pediatrician found out

about the lack of weight gain, she re

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They also always have the fear that some doc is going to do a rectal on them. This is my eyes is abusive. I'll never let that happen again. If they want to know if there's blood, let them give a stool sample. This is an outrage. They never had mine or my dd's permission. I don't like the way they go about it........................

From: kendraharrell@ rocketmail. com <kendra018gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: LGSTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:19 AM

also reported ....pervasive bad thoughts. tic disorder, headache, stomach ache, I think I read metabolic acidosis,something I wish I had examined w/ my dd & also a symptom of antifreeze posioning, how telling > First, @Angi and : here's a chewable fiber vitamin you may want to try http://www.amazon. / com/dp/B000F7VAL 6/ref=asc_ df_B000F7VAL6958 184?smid= A2HNE2QZYB5EFZ & tag=dealtmp52798 -20 & linkCode= asn & creative= 380341 & creativeA SIN=B000F7VAL6 > > I just bought the box for my daughter, but haven't given it to her yet so not sure if MY picky eater will like em or not, but thought you might want to try...> > I'm new to the group and have been reading the threads with great interest. A little background: I have a 25-month old daughter who has been on Miralax since she was 18 months old. Her constipation started in earnest when she turned 12 months and I put her on whole milk. When I took her off after

mitigating her constipation with a glycerin enema and some flax boiled in water, she was back to normal. I kept her on her formula (Comfort Cultures by Nestle worked best for her - has probiotics) until her pediatrician told me to put her back> on milk for the vitamin D. I did. Within a week, she was back to being constipated. This led to the Miralax and her pediatrician suggesting that I up her dose when even w/ the Miralax my baby was still getting hard stools. My baby was supposed to be on Miralax for 30 days. It has now been 5 months and she seems to be needing more over time, not less. At my brother's urging, I began to look into possible side effects with long-term use of Miralax. I was never comfortable with the idea of treating her constipation with chemicals anyway. I came across this group through my readings. Everything I have read so far has only firmed my

decision to take my dd off Miralax. In fact, I spoke w/ her pediatrician on Friday and told her I wanted other more natural alternatives.> > Some of the symptoms my dd has been experiencing are very loose/watery stools, loss of appetite, increased thirst; extremely itchy> and persistent rash in her diaper area and around her mouth (not itchy around her mouth); no weight gain since she started on Miralax (she's 25 months and 23lbs, 31 inches), some vomiting.  Once the pediatrician found out about the lack of weight gain, she re> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.> Enter now: http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ homepageset/>

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Hi , My daughter who has autism was on miralax at the urging of several GI docs. She also has mild CP and sensory disorder.

With that said, during the time of using miralax she had regressions of her motor function, ( which was already compromised), more behavioral

issues, severe reflux, and accidents. She lost the ability to control BM's, especially in the tub. We were so desperate due to many x-rays

showing impaction that we dealt with the accidents and kept her on it. I tried many years to wean her off it, but the best solution was to go cold turkey. I want

to say that since being off miralax ( over 2 years now) she does not have reflux, her behavior is very good considering she has autism, and most

of all she has not had one BM accident since. Just stop it cold turkey. God made our bodies perfect and not to ingest chemicals. There are many

things out there that can help. My daughter still has constipation but we just rotate things and do our best to keep her going....

Kathy

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I usually just read here because I'm confused about what to do for my grandson. He's been on Miralax for going on 5 years. He's healthy other than encopresis and a mega colon as a result of it. The Miralax keeps him going but not enough for us to see any results. There are still accidents, although with regular commode times not daily now, and xrays still show he is backed up even when he seems to be going at least a few times a day and good-sized amounts.

He's never had any of the behavioral changes some of you have seen. If Miralax is the only thing that will work to keep him going and give any hope of his colon being cleaned out then a part of me thinks we should keep giving it. But if there's a chance that it's harming him and something will show up in the future, then I'm thinking mega colon is the least of our worries. And it hasn't helped yet! I tell my daughter that I feel so guilty giving it to him daily. He's so good about taking it and I wonder what we are doing by giving it to him.

One of the most alarming things I've found in doing internet searches is information that part of the process of making PEG involves 1,4-dioxane, a known carcinogen which may cause cancer or liver and kidney damage. How much of this is in oral Miralax and how much is absorbed- I don't know. But just the possibilty that after 5 years of taking it there will be problems from this sickens me.

We go to another pediatric GI specialist today. I'm going to talk to her about my concerns and show her a copy of the letter posted here from Nexgen. If you do a search of Nexgen and Miralax, you can find that they are connected. I found letters and notices from the CDC regarding Miralax going from just prescription to over-the- counter and Nexgen Pharm. is included in the list of companies.

We ordered fruit-ese just yesterday. And we've been pushing the water. I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he downs his glass first. Anything that will help. I'm hoping the Dr. today has some suggestions about more natural ways to help.

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you may want to research the files section and look up the MSDS. 5 years and still hasn't cured a thing. We here worry about the nerve damage that it's doing and one should never be on this medication this long. The company says do not give to children for a reason. Please read the files section.

Subject: (unknown)To: Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 7:17 AM

I usually just read here because I'm confused about what to do for my grandson. He's been on Miralax for going on 5 years. He's healthy other than encopresis and a mega colon as a result of it. The Miralax keeps him going but not enough for us to see any results. There are still accidents, although with regular commode times not daily now, and xrays still show he is backed up even when he seems to be going at least a few times a day and good-sized amounts.

He's never had any of the behavioral changes some of you have seen. If Miralax is the only thing that will work to keep him going and give any hope of his colon being cleaned out then a part of me thinks we should keep giving it. But if there's a chance that it's harming him and something will show up in the future, then I'm thinking mega colon is the least of our worries. And it hasn't helped yet! I tell my daughter that I feel so guilty giving it to him daily. He's so good about taking it and I wonder what we are doing by giving it to him.

One of the most alarming things I've found in doing internet searches is information that part of the process of making PEG involves 1,4-dioxane, a known carcinogen which may cause cancer or liver and kidney damage. How much of this is in oral Miralax and how much is absorbed- I don't know. But just the possibilty that after 5 years of taking it there will be problems from this sickens me.

We go to another pediatric GI specialist today. I'm going to talk to her about my concerns and show her a copy of the letter posted here from Nexgen. If you do a search of Nexgen and Miralax, you can find that they are connected. I found letters and notices from the CDC regarding Miralax going from just prescription to over-the- counter and Nexgen Pharm. is included in the list of companies.

We ordered fruit-ese just yesterday. And we've been pushing the water. I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he downs his glass first. Anything that will help. I'm hoping the Dr. today has some suggestions about more natural ways to help.

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Listen to your God given instincts. Deanna

To: miralax Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 9:42:14 PMSubject: (unknown)

It seems to me the miralax isnt working, he is still backed up, mega colon, 5yrs of use,! Especially if he has mega colon. Mega colon isnt good for long term. You need to trust your instincts/leariness . I have a feeling your gi visit today is only going to tell you to add more miralax.. This is the dependency and putting intestines to sleep side affect. You mentioned he goes several times a day with large amounts but the exrays show back up. It is most likely the mega colon issue. At 5yrs miralax time frame Im guessing his colon is super mega colon. This means he has a lot of extra room to fill with food, more time to fill the intestines, more time the stool has to sit in there to get to the mega colon size/fill. Stool can be toxic and constipate the longer it sits in there. Im also guessing he has days that he isnt going and then all of a sudden seems like good movements. This is overflow from backup, being forced out. I would start adding

natural alternatives like Vitamin C, aloe juice, etc. Encopresis is also a sign of overflow that I mentioned with mega colon. Jennie<><>> I usually just read here because I'm confused about what to do for my grandson. He's been on Miralax for going on 5 years. He's healthy other than encopresis and a mega colon as a result of it. The Miralax keeps him going but not enough for us to see any results. There are still accidents, although with regular commode times not daily now, and xrays still show he is backed up even when he seems to be going at least a few times a day and good-sized amounts.> > He's never had any of the behavioral changes some of you have seen. If Miralax is the only thing that

will work to keep him going and give any hope of his colon being cleaned out then a part of me thinks we should keep giving it. But if there's a chance that it's harming him and something will show up in the future, then I'm thinking mega colon is the least of our worries. And it hasn't helped yet! I tell my daughter that I feel so guilty giving it to him daily. He's so good about taking it and I wonder what we are doing by giving it to him.> > One of the most alarming things I've found in doing internet searches is information that part of the process of making PEG involves 1,4-dioxane, a known carcinogen which may cause cancer or liver and kidney damage. How much of this is in oral Miralax and how much is absorbed- I don't know. But just the possibilty that after 5 years of taking it there will be problems from this sickens me. > > We go to another pediatric GI specialist

today. I'm going to talk to her about my concerns and show her a copy of the letter posted here from Nexgen. If you do a search of Nexgen and Miralax, you can find that they are connected. I found letters and notices from the CDC regarding Miralax going from just prescription to over-the- counter and Nexgen Pharm. is included in the list of companies. > > We ordered fruit-ese just yesterday. And we've been pushing the water. I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he downs his glass first. Anything that will help. I'm hoping the Dr. today has some suggestions about more natural ways to help.>

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This poor little guys intestines have not been working natural for 5 yrs.

To: miralax Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 7:42:14 PMSubject: (unknown)

It seems to me the miralax isnt working, he is still backed up, mega colon, 5yrs of use,! Especially if he has mega colon. Mega colon isnt good for long term. You need to trust your instincts/leariness . I have a feeling your gi visit today is only going to tell you to add more miralax. This is the dependency and putting intestines to sleep side affect. You mentioned he goes several times a day with large amounts but the exrays show back up. It is most likely the mega colon issue. At 5yrs miralax time frame Im guessing his colon is super mega colon. This means he has a lot of extra room to fill with food, more time to fill the intestines, more time the stool has to sit in there to get to the mega colon size/fill. Stool can be toxic and constipate the longer it sits in there. Im also guessing he has days that he isnt going and then all of a sudden seems like good movements. This is overflow from backup, being forced out. I would start adding

natural alternatives like Vitamin C, aloe juice, etc. Encopresis is also a sign of overflow that I mentioned with mega colon. Jennie<><>> I usually just read here because I'm confused about what to do for my grandson. He's been on Miralax for going on 5 years. He's healthy other than encopresis and a mega colon as a result of it. The Miralax keeps him going but not enough for us to see any results. There are still accidents, although with regular commode times not daily now, and xrays still show he is backed up even when he seems to be going at least a few times a day and good-sized amounts.> > He's never had any of the behavioral changes some of you have seen. If Miralax is the only thing that

will work to keep him going and give any hope of his colon being cleaned out then a part of me thinks we should keep giving it. But if there's a chance that it's harming him and something will show up in the future, then I'm thinking mega colon is the least of our worries. And it hasn't helped yet! I tell my daughter that I feel so guilty giving it to him daily. He's so good about taking it and I wonder what we are doing by giving it to him.> > One of the most alarming things I've found in doing internet searches is information that part of the process of making PEG involves 1,4-dioxane, a known carcinogen which may cause cancer or liver and kidney damage. How much of this is in oral Miralax and how much is absorbed- I don't know. But just the possibilty that after 5 years of taking it there will be problems from this sickens me. > > We go to another pediatric GI specialist

today. I'm going to talk to her about my concerns and show her a copy of the letter posted here from Nexgen. If you do a search of Nexgen and Miralax, you can find that they are connected. I found letters and notices from the CDC regarding Miralax going from just prescription to over-the- counter and Nexgen Pharm. is included in the list of companies. > > We ordered fruit-ese just yesterday. And we've been pushing the water. I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he downs his glass first. Anything that will help. I'm hoping the Dr. today has some suggestions about more natural ways to help.>

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TOTALLY AGREE!!!

To: miralax Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 7:53:17 PMSubject: Re: (unknown)

Listen to your God given instincts. Deanna

From: mykidshisgift <mykidshisgift@ yahoo.com>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Mon, December 14, 2009 9:42:14 PMSubject: (unknown)

It seems to me the miralax isnt working, he is still backed up, mega colon, 5yrs of use,! Especially if he has mega colon. Mega colon isnt good for long term. You need to trust your instincts/leariness . I have a feeling your gi visit today is only going to tell you to add more miralax.. This is the dependency and putting intestines to sleep side affect. You mentioned he goes several times a day with large amounts but the exrays show back up. It is most likely the mega colon issue. At 5yrs miralax time frame Im guessing his colon is super mega colon. This means he has a lot of extra room to fill with food, more time to fill the intestines, more time the stool has to sit in there to get to the mega colon size/fill. Stool can be toxic and constipate the longer it sits in there. Im also guessing he has days that he isnt going and then all of a sudden seems like good movements. This is overflow from backup, being forced out. I would start adding

natural alternatives like Vitamin C, aloe juice, etc. Encopresis is also a sign of overflow that I mentioned with mega colon. Jennie<><>> I usually just read here because I'm confused about what to do for my grandson. He's been on Miralax for going on 5 years. He's healthy other than encopresis and a mega colon as a result of it. The Miralax keeps him going but not enough for us to see any results. There are still accidents, although with regular commode times not daily now, and xrays still show he is backed up even when he seems to be going at least a few times a day and good-sized amounts.> > He's never had any of the behavioral changes some of you have seen. If Miralax is the only thing that

will work to keep him going and give any hope of his colon being cleaned out then a part of me thinks we should keep giving it. But if there's a chance that it's harming him and something will show up in the future, then I'm thinking mega colon is the least of our worries. And it hasn't helped yet! I tell my daughter that I feel so guilty giving it to him daily. He's so good about taking it and I wonder what we are doing by giving it to him.> > One of the most alarming things I've found in doing internet searches is information that part of the process of making PEG involves 1,4-dioxane, a known carcinogen which may cause cancer or liver and kidney damage. How much of this is in oral Miralax and how much is absorbed- I don't know. But just the possibilty that after 5 years of taking it there will be problems from this sickens me. > > We go to another pediatric GI specialist

today. I'm going to talk to her about my concerns and show her a copy of the letter posted here from Nexgen. If you do a search of Nexgen and Miralax, you can find that they are connected. I found letters and notices from the CDC regarding Miralax going from just prescription to over-the- counter and Nexgen Pharm. is included in the list of companies. > > We ordered fruit-ese just yesterday. And we've been pushing the water. I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he downs his glass first. Anything that will help. I'm hoping the Dr. today has some suggestions about more natural ways to help.>

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I would be he has exteme gas also...............from the Miralax of course. this is what happened to my dd...........

Subject: (unknown)To: miralax Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:42 PM

It seems to me the miralax isnt working, he is still backed up, mega colon, 5yrs of use,! Especially if he has mega colon. Mega colon isnt good for long term. You need to trust your instincts/leariness . I have a feeling your gi visit today is only going to tell you to add more miralax. This is the dependency and putting intestines to sleep side affect. You mentioned he goes several times a day with large amounts but the exrays show back up. It is most likely the mega colon issue. At 5yrs miralax time frame Im guessing his colon is super mega colon. This means he has a lot of extra room to fill with food, more time to fill the intestines, more time the stool has to sit in there to get to the mega colon size/fill. Stool can be toxic and constipate the longer it sits in there. Im also guessing he has days that he isnt going and then all of a sudden seems like good movements. This is overflow from backup, being forced out. I would start adding

natural alternatives like Vitamin C, aloe juice, etc. Encopresis is also a sign of overflow that I mentioned with mega colon. Jennie<><>> I usually just read here because I'm confused about what to do for my grandson. He's been on Miralax for going on 5 years. He's healthy other than encopresis and a mega colon as a result of it. The Miralax keeps him going but not enough for us to see any results. There are still accidents, although with regular commode times not daily now, and xrays still show he is backed up even when he seems to be going at least a few times a day and good-sized amounts.> > He's never had any of the behavioral changes some of you have

seen. If Miralax is the only thing that will work to keep him going and give any hope of his colon being cleaned out then a part of me thinks we should keep giving it. But if there's a chance that it's harming him and something will show up in the future, then I'm thinking mega colon is the least of our worries. And it hasn't helped yet! I tell my daughter that I feel so guilty giving it to him daily. He's so good about taking it and I wonder what we are doing by giving it to him.> > One of the most alarming things I've found in doing internet searches is information that part of the process of making PEG involves 1,4-dioxane, a known carcinogen which may cause cancer or liver and kidney damage. How much of this is in oral Miralax and how much is absorbed- I don't know. But just the possibilty that after 5 years of taking it there will be problems from this sickens me. >

> We go to another pediatric GI specialist today. I'm going to talk to her about my concerns and show her a copy of the letter posted here from Nexgen. If you do a search of Nexgen and Miralax, you can find that they are connected. I found letters and notices from the CDC regarding Miralax going from just prescription to over-the- counter and Nexgen Pharm. is included in the list of companies. > > We ordered fruit-ese just yesterday. And we've been pushing the water. I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he downs his glass first. Anything that will help. I'm hoping the Dr. today has some suggestions about more natural ways to help.>

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Hi ! 8 ounces for the day, wow he may cleanout! Did he have looser stools? For his weight/age the 1 ounce to start is good! The thing about any supplements, synthetic or natural, they all could be toxic if underlying medical issues are there or taken to much(research of any thing used is vital even if others use). I would take weeks even months of watching/researching supplements I felt leary about. Aloe was one of those even after a natural doc script it. You well always find side affects online about just about any supplement used. Most things recommended in this group shouldnt be used daily. We always alternated or used only as needed. I wouldnt use any more aloe for a few days to see how he does with the dosage you gave him. If he is really impacted it may take a couple of days to move it thru. Really pump the water in him. Our son has been using aloe

for years including my family(not daily). He has had rounds of test blood and urine etc. And no liver issues(although the reports state the liver issues it is also reported that it is good and can heal the liver, but research and trust your instincts. But this is my son, others may differ. Also we dont use daily. If I did happen to use for daily it was low doses. Severe backup, higher dosage. The odd thing about aloe is the bad reports you find on the body you well find much more healing/good reports on the same issues.. I think it depends on the individual and how much and how long/overused it is. It is considered a laxative(there are forms they remove the laxative parts) and any laxative can be dependent(miralax is big for this/thus requiring more and more over time). Vitamin C is also a good stool loosener and seems pretty safe(im sure someone could overdose it but it would require mass amounts). Magnesium highly recommended in this group could be

toxic if overused, just about anything could be. The aloe if used to much can affect the electrolytes, diabetics shouldnt use, etc. etc(this is the case for most laxative types). Hopefully he well loosen the stools and with the amount he had he could have some cramping(not for sure). I have taken 5 ounces and was fine. It depends on the aloe juice color you got and how potent it is. Yes if you are leary, dont use until you feel comfortable after you have researched, which you are doing. But really encourage the water. Honestly most studies that are pharma backed well really push/announce the natural things side/toxic side affects of good supplements, they dont want to loose business and yes some can be toxic too. Also you well find that most supplements state not to give to children, this is good advice but there are many things that are ok. Even miralax says not for children but they claim it is safe to script it and it is not! Research and gut

instincts is vital when deciding for a child on supplements or medications even if a doc says it is ok! Jennie<><Subject: (unknown)To: miralax Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 5:29 PM

Thanks so much to all of you who had advice about the aloe vera. I went right out and got the Fruit of the Earth blend and my grandson drank it straight without any problem. I'm afraid I overdid it the first day. I gave him 4 ounces in the am and 4 ounces in the pm. Jennie, I went back to see the dosage you recommended and realized I probably gave way too much. He's not having any problems from it so I guess he's tolerating it ok. My question to all of you now concerns what I found on the internet this morning regarding the safety of giving it to children. Many sites say it's safe and others, including a Mayo clinic site say not to give it to children, that it can be toxic to them, and many possible adverse reactions are listed including liver

damage. This scared me and I didn't give it today, especially since I'd given him so much yesterday. So I guess my question is how safe is it?

A.M.S., my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and for your dear little nephew.

[Guest guest]

Jennie, thanks so much for sharing the knowledge you've gotten from your experience and research. The 8 ounces actually didn't cause him to be loose. He had one good formed BM yesterday. When he was on the Miralax for so long, he'd go 3 or more times a day and it didn't seem like he could possibly be backed up, but xrays would show he was. He hasn't had a single accident since he was off the Miralax (going on 2 weeks) as opposed to frequent ones when on it. I have been pushing the water. It's hard with an 8 year old, but I even have water races with him and owe him a dollar every time he wins. He's taking about 3 tbs. of Fruit-eze a day. Also been having lots of oranges peeled and ready for snacks. Oh, he also still gets a

Senokot daily. I hate that he has to take anything and would love to get him to where he's all natural , but I'm afraid to stop it after his bowels going so long without having to work. The new Dr. we saw said the Magnesium Citrate cleanouts were fine if we suspected a backup, but she advised to not do them more than once a month or the Magnesium level could go too high.

Thanks again for the time you and others put into this group. An uneasiness about his being on Miralax so long even though Drs. said it was ok led me to do an internet search that led me here. Otherwise, it's hard to tell how long he would have been on it.

To: miralax Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 11:18:49 PMSubject: Re: (unknown)

Hi ! 8 ounces for the day, wow he may cleanout! Did he have looser stools? For his weight/age the 1 ounce to start is good! The thing about any supplements, synthetic or natural, they all could be toxic if underlying medical issues are there or taken to much(research of any thing used is vital even if others use). I would take weeks even months of watching/researching supplements I felt leary about. Aloe was one of those even after a natural doc script it. You well always find side affects online about just about any supplement used. Most things recommended in this group shouldnt be used daily. We always alternated or used only as needed. I wouldnt use any more aloe for a few days to see how he does with the dosage you gave him. If he is really impacted it may take a couple of days to move it thru. Really pump the water in him. Our son has been using aloe for years including my family(not daily). He has had rounds of test blood and

urine etc. And no liver issues(although the reports state the liver issues it is also reported that it is good and can heal the liver, but research and trust your instincts. But this is my son, others may differ. Also we dont use daily. If I did happen to use for daily it was low doses. Severe backup, higher dosage. The odd thing about aloe is the bad reports you find on the body you well find much more healing/good reports on the same issues.. I think it depends on the individual and how much and how long/overused it is. It is considered a laxative(there are forms they remove the laxative parts) and any laxative can be dependent(miralax is big for this/thus requiring more and more over time). Vitamin C is also a good stool loosener and seems pretty safe(im sure someone could overdose it but it would require mass amounts). Magnesium highly recommended in this group could be toxic if overused, just about anything could be. The aloe if used to much can

affect the electrolytes, diabetics shouldnt use, etc. etc(this is the case for most laxative types). Hopefully he well loosen the stools and with the amount he had he could have some cramping(not for sure). I have taken 5 ounces and was fine. It depends on the aloe juice color you got and how potent it is. Yes if you are leary, dont use until you feel comfortable after you have researched, which you are doing. But really encourage the water. Honestly most studies that are pharma backed well really push/announce the natural things side/toxic side affects of good supplements, they dont want to loose business and yes some can be toxic too. Also you well find that most supplements state not to give to children, this is good advice but there are many things that are ok. Even miralax says not for children but they claim it is safe to script it and it is not! Research and gut instincts is vital when deciding for a child on supplements or medications even if a

doc says it is ok! Jennie<><

Subject: (unknown)To: miralax Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 5:29 PM

Thanks so much to all of you who had advice about the aloe vera. I went right out and got the Fruit of the Earth blend and my grandson drank it straight without any problem. I'm afraid I overdid it the first day. I gave him 4 ounces in the am and 4 ounces in the pm. Jennie, I went back to see the dosage you recommended and realized I probably gave way too much. He's not having any problems from it so I guess he's tolerating it ok. My question to all of you now concerns what I found on the internet this morning regarding the safety of giving it to children. Many sites say it's safe and others, including a Mayo clinic site say not to give it to children, that it can be toxic to them, and many possible adverse reactions are listed including liver damage. This scared me and I didn't give it today, especially since I'd given him so much yesterday. So I guess my question is how safe is it?

A.M.S., my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and for your dear little nephew.

[Guest guest]

Yang, thanks for your response. It sounds like this company is similar to Shaklee. They have a probiotic that's called opti-flora. They claim that it needs to go to the intestines too. But I often wonder about this b/c, if taking an antibiotic causes yeast to spread to to everywhere in a womens body, then why wouldn't a probiotic? I also don't agree with the synthetic form of vitamins as after taking Shaklee, your hair and nails grow within a day, which has never happened from taking a one a day vitamin. So I believe they are most beneficial and a major factor when it comes to natural. Shaklee dries the vitamins at 100 degrees so it doesn't kill the vitamins, I'm sure they are simi-chemically processed but whatever they are doing sure makes a difference. All around, I believe they are probably a lot like Shaklee. I was just wondering why there is a

POLY in the C? Can you post the link so I can read the ingredients? Thanks YangAfter taking Polyethylene glycol, I'm weary of any poly's or glycols, acetates or any chemical make up of it's components, with good reason, of course!

Jeanie

Subject: (unknown)To: miralax Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:35 PM

Hello Jeanie,Good questions. Please see the response from USANA scientists:1. What are the two strains of USANA probiotic and how they come?Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG, LGG®, Bifidobacterium, BB-12®, they are in powder form with individually sealed little bag for each dose. No refrigeration required, so you can carry it with you, very convenient.While many probiotics have known benefits, there are also many factors to consider using them as a supplement. First, note that numerous strains are available, many of which have very little to no clinical data regarding their benefit or physiological activity. Second, stability is a huge problem with most strains of bacteria. Shelf-life for most strains is very short and many strains need refrigeration. Even refrigerated products often have poor viability and very short shelf-lives. In addition to this, many strains that have good data in culture or in in

vitro studies show no viability when exposed to the digestive process and are destroyed in the stomach. If a strain does not make it through digestion all the way to the intestine to colonize, its benefit is questionable. USANA spent many years researching and combing through data in search of products that would solve these potential roadblocks. The result is the new Probiotic Plus product. The two strains used in this product have extensive clinical and human data to support benefit and viability. Most commonly used strains do not. But perhaps the most important factor is that this particular proprietary blend has proven to be ultimately stable at room temperature. In both in-house and third party testing we have been able to corroborate the manufacturer' s claim of 18 months stability. The bacterial strains used in the Probiotic Plus product have numerous human trials to prove viability and benefit in humans. And, with better

stability than other products on the market, the majority of other probiotic products cannot measure up to the overall quality and effectiveness of Probiotic Plus. 2. Are USANA products natural?There is a common misconception that "natural" vitamins and minerals are extracted from plants in their pure form, and as such are superior to "synthetic" vitamins and minerals which are made in a laboratory. This is often a misleading distinction.First, it is not possible to extract pure vitamins from plants without considerable and significant processing.Next, the biological activity of a compound has nothing to do with its source and is more determined by its chemical structure. In other words, it typically makes little difference whether the chemical originates from a leafy plant or is synthesized - it is the same compound, regardless. Some vitamin and antioxidant compounds can be efficiently synthesized in laboratories to

produce products that are identical in chemical form to those found in nature, and that are extremely pure and equally safe (and often much less expensive than their "natural" counterparts) .In addition, some synthetic vitamins are preferentially absorbed over compounds provided by food sources. One good example is folic acid, which is preferentially absorbed and utilized over natural food folates that must go through several conversion processes to be utilized as folic acid.The raw ingredients that go into USANA products come from a variety of sources. Some are derived from plants (our vitamin E, for example, is derived from soy) while others are produced synthetically. Natural versus synthetic is just one of the criteria that USANA uses to select the raw ingredients that go into its products. Other factors that we take into account are potency, purity, safety, stability, and reliability of supply. All other factors being equal, we will

select naturally derived materials over synthetically derived ones. But often times, all other factors are not equal. We use vitamin and mineral compounds in the chemical form - be it "natural" or "synthetic" - that are proven to be effectively absorbed and utilized by the body.That said, some people have a philosophical aversion to synthetically derived nutrients, and we respect this. We are comfortable with our approach to ingredient selection and stand by it, understanding that we are not going to please everybody.3. What is Poly C?Poly C is a vitamin C supplement with a unique blend of mineral ascorbates. The mixture of mineral ascorbates has been shown to provide and maintain higher levels of vitamin C in the blood than from equal amounts of ascorbic acid alone.Vitamin C:• Enhances antioxidant protection • Maintains a healthy immune system • Supports the synthesis of collagen • Promotes

cardiovascular healthFeel free to let me know if you have more questions.Regards,Yang

[Guest guest]

,

I read what you had to say, and I am wondering if my son can feel when he has to go #2.

He had been on Miralax probably 5 years or more, until I decided it was junk. He used Kristalose for a while, and now I give him a dose of Benefiber in his water 3 times a day. He goes pretty regularly; however, he goes in his pants (we are potty training; he is 7 years old, and he has the 'pee' part down, but won't poop in the potty yet.) I am not sure if he can feel it or not, or if he is afraid to go in the potty. He is diagnosed autistic, so his communication skills are lacking. When I say lacking, I don't mean he is nonverbal, I mean it is very difficult for him to communicate his needs. Anyway, you said your son feels when he has to go now...are you confident he is tell you the truth, and how long has he been off Miralax?

Thanks for any input...I feel like you have experienced what I have experienced.

Ann Brown

a9willi@...

(unknown)

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

[Guest guest]

Ann, I feel pretty confident that my grandson does feel when he has to go now. During the last 5 years he insisted he didn't know he had to go. He would have an accident and even act like he didn't know it was there. I've read that that's the way many children deal with it. When we'd have him sit on the commode after each meal, the accidents were pretty well controlled, but he'd still have little ones sometimes daily. He knew that it would please us if he said he did feel something, but he insisted that he didn't. We were told all that time to keep him on the Miralax because his colon was stretched and to go back to normal, he had to be cleaned out for 6-9 months. So we thought we had no option but to keep giving him something that kept him going

like that.

Soon after being off Miralax (this past Dec. 14th was the last dose) he started having formed BMs again and started saying he did feel when he went . Like I said, not one accident since then. He had his first overnighter with a friend last week with us not worrying that he'd had an accident. I'm hoping that it's not a false sense of security and he's not stopped up and getting more stretched out inside. My mom was on Miralax as prep for a colonoscopy recently and she had accidents at night. She said she didn't know when she had to go in time to get to the bathroom and that she'd never take that stuff again. And to think these kids take it for years. It's no wonder they have no control.Good luck.

To: miralax Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:18:29 PMSubject: RE: (unknown)

,

I read what you had to say, and I am wondering if my son can feel when he has to go #2.

He had been on Miralax probably 5 years or more, until I decided it was junk. He used Kristalose for a while, and now I give him a dose of Benefiber in his water 3 times a day. He goes pretty regularly; however, he goes in his pants (we are potty training; he is 7 years old, and he has the 'pee' part down, but won't poop in the potty yet.) I am not sure if he can feel it or not, or if he is afraid to go in the potty. He is diagnosed autistic, so his communication skills are lacking. When I say lacking, I don't mean he is nonverbal, I mean it is very difficult for him to communicate his needs. Anyway, you said your son feels when he has to go now...are you confident he is tell you the truth, and how long has he been off Miralax?

Thanks for any input...I feel like you have experienced what I have experienced.

Ann Brown

a9willi@...

(unknown)

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

[Guest guest]

We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go.

I'm so glad you found this out!

It depends on how often he's going? Sounds like he's doing just fine.

Subject: (unknown)To: miralax Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 3:47 PM

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

[Guest guest]

There is a side affect reported on the FDA adverse reactions that I've seen many times. It's called ileus, a paralytic conditon people have reported from Miralax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ileus---

Subject: Re: (unknown)To: miralax Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:33 PM

Ann, I feel pretty confident that my grandson does feel when he has to go now. During the last 5 years he insisted he didn't know he had to go. He would have an accident and even act like he didn't know it was there. I've read that that's the way many children deal with it. When we'd have him sit on the commode after each meal, the accidents were pretty well controlled, but he'd still have little ones sometimes daily. He knew that it would please us if he said he did feel something, but he insisted that he didn't. We were told all that time to keep him on the Miralax because his colon was stretched and to go back to normal, he had to be cleaned out for 6-9 months. So we thought we had no option but to keep giving him something that kept him going like that.

Soon after being off Miralax (this past Dec. 14th was the last dose) he started having formed BMs again and started saying he did feel when he went . Like I said, not one accident since then. He had his first overnighter with a friend last week with us not worrying that he'd had an accident. I'm hoping that it's not a false sense of security and he's not stopped up and getting more stretched out inside. My mom was on Miralax as prep for a colonoscopy recently and she had accidents at night. She said she didn't know when she had to go in time to get to the bathroom and that she'd never take that stuff again. And to think these kids take it for years. It's no wonder they have no control.Good luck.

From: Ann Brown <a9willicenturytel (DOT) net>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:18:29 PMSubject: RE: (unknown)

,

I read what you had to say, and I am wondering if my son can feel when he has to go #2.

He had been on Miralax probably 5 years or more, until I decided it was junk. He used Kristalose for a while, and now I give him a dose of Benefiber in his water 3 times a day. He goes pretty regularly; however, he goes in his pants (we are potty training; he is 7 years old, and he has the 'pee' part down, but won't poop in the potty yet.) I am not sure if he can feel it or not, or if he is afraid to go in the potty. He is diagnosed autistic, so his communication skills are lacking. When I say lacking, I don't mean he is nonverbal, I mean it is very difficult for him to communicate his needs. Anyway, you said your son feels when he has to go now...are you confident he is tell you the truth, and how long has he been off Miralax?

Thanks for any input...I feel like you have experienced what I have experienced.

Ann Brown

a9willicenturytel (DOT) net

(unknown)

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

[Guest guest]

I have just found a higher level (usually only need for about 2 days) suitable for cleanouts if required (ie hasnt had a decent BM for a couple of days in the case of my son) and use a much lower "maintenance" dose daily other times. As time has progressed the need for cleanouts has reduced for us and hence he doesnt get close to too much magnesium. Thats our experience with our 7yr old HTHSubject: (unknown)To: miralax Received: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 8:47 AM

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or

not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

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[Guest guest]

We are to give as many as 4 of the bottles of Mag Citrate (the kind used for colonoscopy preps) over 2 days for cleanouts and he's 8 y. o. What kind do you give for cleanouts and for maintenance?

To: miralax Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 5:29:25 AMSubject: Re: (unknown)

I have just found a higher level (usually only need for about 2 days) suitable for cleanouts if required (ie hasnt had a decent BM for a couple of days in the case of my son) and use a much lower "maintenance" dose daily other times. As time has progressed the need for cleanouts has reduced for us and hence he doesnt get close to too much magnesium. Thats our experience with our 7yr old HTH

Subject: (unknown)To: miralax Received: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 8:47 AM

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. Check it out.

[Guest guest]

, an adult usually only takes one full bottle for a colonoscopy prep?

From: Barnett <dkbar711yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: (unknown)To: miralax@yahoogroups .comReceived: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 8:47 AM

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

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It took that many for me to clean my son out also when we did the colonoscopy. I think if you will look at your schedule of how often your child gets water throughout the day it will help also. Since we put my son on the Cowden herbs which he gets 6x's a day with 6 oz of water and another 4 x's a day he gets pills at which he also gets 6oz of water things have improved. It has helped my son immensely. On average a day he gets 6 oz of water 10 times a day throughout the day along with Natural Calm plus to start the day and anywhere from 2 to 5 Oxypowder pills at night. This has been the key to helping my son have good consistent daily bowel movements along with a good diet consisting of the right fats, and proteins. Study your water intake, it is a huge factor. My son only drinks water and juice we have made. Tamet, an adult usually only takes one full bottle for a colonoscopy prep? From: Barnett <dkbar711yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: (unknown)To: miralax@yahoogroups .comReceived: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 8:47 AM I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up. My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high? I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement. Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. Check it out.

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The 4 bottles over 2 days were recommended by his dr. if we felt that that much was needed for a good cleanout. He weighs 70 lb. Thanks to all of you for the info regarding giving the mag. citrate. We are pushing the water but I still fear he's not getting enough.

To: miralax Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 7:17:31 AMSubject: Re: (unknown)

, an adult usually only takes one full bottle for a colonoscopy prep?

From: Barnett <dkbar711yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: (unknown)To: miralax@yahoogroups .comReceived: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 8:47 AM

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

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Yes water is so hard to get in them sometimes. My son hates all forms of liquid. He is unable to drink from cups at this point and I have to syringe it into him through out the day. Or they want to tube him so to avoid that I just am the syringing queen:) I pray he can start drinking on own eventually, you wouldnt believe how much syringing it takes to get what is required in a person. By the way my son lost interest of fluids after miralax and a severe reaction to vaccines! Doctors just try to convince me that mentally empaired children just do this and they dont know why. But I dont believe that. I think the wires for thirst was damaged. I have seen loss of interest in water with normal children in this group. We add water to every thing possible our son even eats(he is on very loose pureeds and we add to that also). 1 bottle citrate, that should be good or

split it up over 2 or 3 days. I can verify it works great if you decide to try. Jennie<><

From: Barnett <dkbar711yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: (unknown)To: miralax@yahoogroups .comReceived: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 8:47 AM

I have questions for those of you seeing good results with Magnesium. We've been told by my grandson's gi dr. that he can have cleanouts with the bottles of Magnesium Citrate if we think he needs it (she said not to do this more often than once a month or his Magnesium level could go too high). He's been on Fruiteze and Senokot since Dec. 14 with what appears to be good daily bowel movements and not one accident since then. He had had accidents almost daily for 5 years while on the Miralax. We blamed his encopresis, but now it looks like it was the Miralax causing the loss of control and the total inability to ever feel the need to go. He says he feels when he has to go now. The problem is we don't know if he's really cleaned out or not. We're optimistic because he's having no accidents and we were always told that when the accidents were occuring he was backed up.

My question is this. Rather than give the bottles of Mag. Citrate, should we be giving a daily dose of Mag. Citrate? Is that what the Natural Calm you talk about is? If you give this do you need to worry about the Magnesium level going to high?

I really appreciate this board and all the input about alternatives to Miralax. You all are the ones who got me thinking that 5 years was too long for him to be on a medicine when he wasn't showing any improvement.

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I am VERY interested in seeing the PeG toxicity report you mentioned.

If you would be willing to share that information, it would be appreciated. If it were me posting it, I would redact any of my personal information before posting.

Jack

From: miralax [mailto:miralax ] On Behalf Of Marg MessickSent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:26 AMTo: miralax Subject: Re: (unknown)

i asked the lab at the winchester,va medical center if there was a test for PEG toxicity and they said yes. one of my doctors wrote the order and i went to piedmont lab and the blood specimen was sent to mayo clinic and it took about a week for results and came back as no toxicity to PEG ,which i was taking at the time the test was done.I believe i have the report but can obtain it from my doctor if i feel its necessary. i am not on PEG now and its been over 1 and 1/2 years since i went off it. i still have bad days even off PEG so i wonder if its siomething else as i also have hypoglycemia and do check my blood sugar and its usually ok but i still feel sick at times.i found ourt myself that the ulcers in my mouth went away when i stopped chewing trident gum as i think it was the aspartame in it that caused my mouth ulcers and i also stopped jello ,sugar free which has aspartame in it as the sweetener. my mouth also burns at times and i'm working on it. i think its either peanut butter or beets but still am not sure. there are are times i eat both and its ok. i also think i have many food intollerances and although i took miralax,i am not sure miralax was the cause for any of my past or present problems although i will not rule out miralax which is 100% PEG!!!i also had tests done at entero lab and it came back that i was sensitive to wheat,gluten,barley,rye and maybe oats and cows milk and casein. i don't eat cheese,yogart ice cream and try to stay away from soy and other foods,no sweets or white products, but still feel bad at times. my blood work and cholesterol all comes back ok,so this is puzzeling to me. i take MOM and a fiber supplement for bms and make sure i eat 4 small meals a day. its a puzzle and happened when i had my heart attack in 2003 and died in the ambulance and was brought back and since, i have felt lousy and have many reactions to drugs which i took before the heart attack and after the heart attack i began to have problems with drugs. i was not on miralax before my heart attack. go figure it. i also have severe Arthritis and neuropathy and more and i'm still working on it and have many bad days like now writing this in the wee am hours. if you can say a prayer for me as i really need it. i've sufferfed for years but i keep going on. Its hard for me like all these poor c hildren are also going thru so much, best marg messick

From: JACQUELINE PEREIRA <peartree53@bellsout h.net>Subject: (unknown)To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 11:06 PM

Is there any tests that can be done to determin PEG toxicity (at autopsy), or is it mostly symptoms?

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I am going to order it ,

Thank you to both of you very much ,

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 10:59:14 PMSubject: Re: (unknown)

Hi Marie, Thanks! I swear by K-mag-kg! I take it every day and extra when I feel the ammonia accumulating. It really works for me.

Be well,

Léna

Dear Jim and Lena,

here is an info regarding sulfur amonia etc

Marie

Mon, January 10, 2011 2:45:50 PM

[DougPlus] Re: OT: Ammonia in brain and body - major source of symptoms - and solutions!

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Hi Christhat is great news about the ammonia herbs helping.I have been meaning to post more about ammonia as well.I tried the Jernigans Pale Spike Lobelia product - and it helped, but I have found the Source Naturals K-mag KG to work even better (at least for me)And the K-mag KG costs $10 for 60 capsules while the Jernigans herbs cost about $48So highly recommend doing a test with the K-mag KGThe ammonia absurbing substances really help with my brain fog - and the dull feeling in my forehead (hangover feeling) has cleared quite a bit since trying to treaat ammonia.CheersJeff> >> > Hi All,> > > > Just a quick post - this article and products have been incredibly helpful in clearing some of my last symptoms - chemical sensitivity and brain fog (not 100%, but after a few weeks, i am less chemically sensitive). It may be AMMONIA pockets in your brain and body that cause inflammation and hypersensitivity....seriously, this seems to be helping quite a bit - (for the last few years I have had a weird ammonia smell, especially my sweat - and I have felt hungover all day long - ammonia may be the culprit)> > > > READ THIS ARTICLE: http://www.benbrew.com/lb/lyme5.pdf> > > > Then i HIGHLY suggest trying this product:> > > > Pale Spike Lobelia or Blue Sage (SAME THING - it turns out the plant they were calling Pale Spike Lobelia was REALLY Blue Sage...read their explanatin on website, but while researching this topic, note that they are the same thing from Jernigan Nutracueticals)> > > > http://www.jernigannutraceuticals.com/Retail%20Catalog.html> > > > I am using the Blue Sage by itself, but you can also try the NueroAntitox II that mixes it with Compass Plant> > > >

Source Naturals also makes a product called K-mag-KG - this is also supposed to absorb ammonia in the body, but I have not tried it yet.> > > > http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1171/> > > > cheers - jeff> >>