Re: Dr. Phil

[Guest guest]

I think you may be right. I don't watch his show and am only vaguely familiar with him. He seems to have a simplistic " just get over it" approach to many problems.

Maybe he needs therapy!

Mike L.

Subject: Re: Dr. PhilTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 10:45 AM

I watched that Dr. Phil Show with the 4S. He bascially thinks it is just a quick fix and said she can't let things bother her. He said you can't let things like a dog barking down the street bother you. He clearly doesn't understand the layer of pain and emotional stress. He thinks everything is a behavioral thing- I think it is a mental or medical thing- because I deal with it everyday. It might be more damaging if he tells the nation that we are just control freaks, and that it is something we can control. I think we should be careful about who goes public with this, unless they really understand what we really have.>> For some of you newer people who have not seen

the older posts, we have been down this road before. A woman was on his show with 4s, and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation CD's. Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is a good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)>

[Guest guest]

Ian,

Please let me know if any findings are published regarding stuttering in relation to 4S and emotional experiences. I have an almost 9 year old 4S daughter and a 15 year old son whom stutters and has ADHD.

Thanks,

To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:36:50 PMSubject: Re: Dr. Phil

I have spoken to two clinical psychologists about 4S. One thinks it is neurological and genetic, not a learned response. She cited stuttering as an example of something that was long thought to be the result of emotional experiences ... and then they found a gene (yes, it is more complex than that, but there is a definite genetic component in some persistent cases of stuttering).The other psychologist is treating my 4S as part of a wider problem with sensory sensitivity - and he is a specialist in autism spectrum disorders and is familiar with sensory sensitivity (75-90% of people with Asperger's Syndrome have sensory sensitivity, especially sound sensitivity). He pointed out a number of other ways I express sensory sensitivity (overload) that I hadn't been aware of.> > > > Subject: Dr. Phil> To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 3:36 AM> > > > For some of you newer people who have not seen the older> posts, we have been

down this road before. A woman was on his show with 4s,> and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation CD's.> Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is a> good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the> same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)>

[Guest guest]

I was mainly interested in the genetics aspect of the stuttering research. I

don't have any personal connection with stuttering, so I haven't particularly

followed this line of research further (I am interested in the autism spectrum

which affects a number of people in my family).

However, I just found this article about ADHD and stuttering -

http://www.stutteringhelp.org/Default.aspx?tabid=452

The interesting point is that ADHD may be more common among stutterers (4-26%)

than in the rest of the population (3-6%). I have no idea whether there is

better information out there - can't look just at the moment.

I have read that between 40-60% of people with ADHD have sensory sensitivity.

For people with autism spectrum disorders, the rate is even higher (e.g. 75-90%

for Asperger's syndrome). In both groups, some of the sensory sensitivity takes

the form of 4S, although it is a minority in the autism spectrum (I don't know

what the incidence of 4S is like in ADHD). Still, I regularly see people on an

autism/Asperger's website complaining about 4S-like symptoms. I have collected a

list of six or seven threads on that site discussing 4S symptoms just in 2010

alone. I have certainly heard of a family where the mother has ADHD and sensory

sensitivity (no 4S) and her son has 4S - that was in response to me posting

about my 4S on another website.

So stuttering has a possible weak link to ADHD, and ADHD has a stronger link to

sensory sensitivity, and a possible link to 4S. The missing link is any real

kind of research about the incidence of 4S, both in the general population and

in specific populations such as stuttering, ADHD, autism spectrum, OCD, anxiety

disorders, etc.

> >

> >

> > From: daogress <daogress@>

> > Subject: Dr. Phil

> > To: Soundsensitivity

> > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 3:36 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > For some of you newer people who have not seen the older

> > posts, we have been down this road before. A woman was on his show with 4s,

> > and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation CD's.

> > Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is a

> > good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the

> > same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well if Dr. Phil would at least get some speech therapy, so that he didn't smack his lips so disgustingly when he talks, maybe I would have a better opinion of him. : )To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 1:02:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr. Phil

I think you may be right. I don't watch his show and am only vaguely familiar with him. He seems to have a simplistic " just get over it" approach to many problems.

Maybe he needs therapy!

Mike L.

Subject: Re: Dr. PhilTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 10:45 AM

I watched that Dr. Phil Show with the 4S. He bascially thinks it is just a quick fix and said she can't let things bother her. He said you can't let things like a dog barking down the street bother you. He clearly doesn't understand the layer of pain and emotional stress. He thinks everything is a behavioral thing- I think it is a mental or medical thing- because I deal with it everyday. It might be more damaging if he tells the nation that we are just control freaks, and that it is something we can control. I think we should be careful about who goes public with this, unless they really understand what we really have.>> For some of you newer people who have not seen

the older posts, we have been down this road before. A woman was on his show with 4s, and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation CD's. Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is a good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)>

[Guest guest]

If he smacks when he talks, I would hate to hear him eat!

Mike

Subject: Re: Dr. PhilTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 10:45 AM

I watched that Dr. Phil Show with the 4S. He bascially thinks it is just a quick fix and said she can't let things bother her. He said you can't let things like a dog barking down the street bother you. He clearly doesn't understand the layer of pain and emotional stress. He thinks everything is a behavioral thing- I think it is a mental or medical thing- because I deal with it everyday. It might be more damaging if he tells the nation that we are just control freaks, and that it is something we can control. I think we should be careful about who goes public with this, unless they really understand what we really have.>> For some of you newer people who have not seen the older posts, we have been down this road before.

A woman was on his show with 4s, and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation CD's. Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is a good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!

To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 6:54:44 PMSubject: Re: Dr. Phil

I was mainly interested in the genetics aspect of the stuttering research. I don't have any personal connection with stuttering, so I haven't particularly followed this line of research further (I am interested in the autism spectrum which affects a number of people in my family).However, I just found this article about ADHD and stuttering - http://www.stutteringhelp.org/Default.aspx?tabid=452The interesting point is that ADHD may be more common among stutterers (4-26%) than in the rest of the population (3-6%). I have no idea whether there is better information out there - can't look just at the moment.I have read that between 40-60% of people with ADHD have sensory sensitivity. For people with autism spectrum disorders, the rate is even higher (e.g. 75-90% for Asperger's syndrome). In both groups, some of the sensory sensitivity takes the form of 4S, although it is a minority in the autism spectrum (I don't know what

the incidence of 4S is like in ADHD). Still, I regularly see people on an autism/Asperger's website complaining about 4S-like symptoms. I have collected a list of six or seven threads on that site discussing 4S symptoms just in 2010 alone. I have certainly heard of a family where the mother has ADHD and sensory sensitivity (no 4S) and her son has 4S - that was in response to me posting about my 4S on another website.So stuttering has a possible weak link to ADHD, and ADHD has a stronger link to sensory sensitivity, and a possible link to 4S. The missing link is any real kind of research about the incidence of 4S, both in the general population and in specific populations such as stuttering, ADHD, autism spectrum, OCD, anxiety disorders, etc.> > > > > > From: daogress <daogress@>> > Subject: Dr. Phil> > To: Soundsensitivity > > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 3:36 AM> > > > > > > > For some of you newer people who have not seen the older> > posts, we have been down this road before. A woman was on his show with 4s,> > and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation

CD's.> > Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is a> > good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the> > same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)> >>

[Guest guest]

I think based on how many of us have parents, children and aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents with this, it seems highly likely it can run in families. I think based on the responses people have to triggers that have been reported here, it's fairly certain that we all have varying degrees, not just different triggers. For instance, my aunt and I have the same triggers but I think my aunt's sensitivity to it is much worse than mine, or perhaps my personality is so vastly different that my reactions are different, but I don't think that's it. Then there is my mom who is very sensitive but doesn't reach, in my opinion, the level those of us who have 4S describe, and has never developed into 4S.My spide-y sense goes off with the notion that someone can be more sensative and then develop into 4S, as though something can bring it out of them. I think you are either not sensitive, sensitive or have 4S, and you can tell if you're sensitive at a young age but the preteen and the teen years define whether you are 4S. I just don't think it's environmental, I think you are what you are born with in this case. But that's based on everything I've read here and to a degree my gut feeling.

So, do you think sound sensitivity can run in families to different degrees - and the members who are more sensitive can then develop 4S as a reaction?

Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk

To: Soundsensitivity From: heidi@...Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:39:04 -0800Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Phil

I only learned a few years ago that my aunt has it, my father's sister. I so wished I had known that while I was growing up wouldn't felt like a freak and so alone. I think we could have supported each other. Her father was her biggest trigger but everyone bothers her.

My mom is sensitive to sounds but she does'nt have 4S. My dad doesn't have it at all and my brother is like my mom, just sensitive to sounds. I hope hope hope my daughter doesn't have it. She's 4 1/2 and is very sensitive to loud noises like ballons popping, jack hammers and those darn hand drawers and automatic toilet flushers in public toilets. She bursts onto tears at the sound of any of them but could careless about mouth noises. I never ever complain about of mouth noises to her. Hope shes like my mom and brother and not like my aunt and I.

Sent from my iPhone

I can remember this case - or a similar one - where the parent with 4S was nowhere around (had left the family many years earlier) when their child developed 4S. Also runs through cousins and aunts, according to another member here, I believe - not just the same nuclear family.My daughter has different triggers - she is not affected by the sounds that I complain about ... but she has 4S and slams her fist down when someone sniffs near her. I don't have that trigger - in fact, our triggers don't coincide *at all*. But we both have 4S, with onset at similar ages (12 for me, 13 for my daughter).>> I have read about many others in this group who have relatives who suffer from 4s. And I'm sure many behavioral doctors would say "Aha! They just learned it from each other!" But their were some who never knew their relative had it until recently. There is one guy who has it and was estranged from his daughter (hadn't seen her since she was born) and found out that she has it. It's bad enough that my daughter has this, but then I think that my grandchildren might have it also! It makes me just pray for answers even harder.

[Guest guest]

Ian,

If the research you discovered is correct, I think it offers an additional

ray of hope. If people who have autism also have a tendency toward 4S, then

maybe the same diet that has helped " cure " autism will also " cure " 4S?

I am not entirely familiar with the diet but remember reading it somewhere.

Also, I met a woman and her autistic son who was making great progress by

sticking to a strict diet.

I also say this because my 4S symptoms seem to be precipitated

by both irritation/stress and diet.

> > >

> > >

> > > From: daogress <daogress@>

> > > Subject: Dr. Phil

> > > To: Soundsensitivity

> > > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 3:36 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For some of you newer people who have not seen the older

> > > posts, we have been down this road before. A woman was on his show with

4s,

> > > and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation

CD's.

> > > Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it is

a

> > > good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the

> > > same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN hope)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maikaefer,

Yes, this is exactly what is helping me. I am using a self hypnosis download

that has elements of relaxation and imagining of the trigger sounds. I talked

about it in a previous thread entitled " This is helping me " .

> >>

> >>

> >> From: daogress <daogress@>

> >> Subject: Dr. Phil

> >> To: Soundsensitivity

> >> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 3:36 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> For some of you newer people who have not seen the older

> >> posts, we have been down this road before. A woman was on his show with

> 4s,

> >> and he basically told her it was stress, and gave her some relaxation

> >>CD's.

> >> Someone contacted her at his site, and we welcomed her here. I think it

is

> >a

> >> good idea to contact him though. If he keeps getting contacted about the

> >> same thing, maybe he will start to take it more seriously. (one CAN

hope)

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

According to my mother, my dad would get irritated with me chewing when I was

younger, but I don't remember this. I do know that it all started when my mom

took on a part time job from 4PM-10PM on weeknights when I was in grade 5. I

had to eat with my brother, dad, and sister. I would get mad at either my

brother or father for their eating and would go eat in the basement and watch

WHEEL OF FORTUNE with the volume cranked up. (On the plus side, I developed

into a good word puzzle solver now. This continued for months. After which

other triggers began to bother me: my brother smashing his toys together, my

mom's clicking of her shoes in the kitchen every morning, my brother tinging his

cereal bowl and breakfast, and so forth. Only my brother and dad bothered me

until a car accident and armed robberies in high school - then other people and

noises started to irritate me relentlessly.

[Guest guest]

Regarding building a database, I would be willing to get something started if

enough members of the group are willing to return to me a detailed

questionnaire. I would of course keep everything confidential. I'm a doctoral

student in cognitive studies (not precisely relevant, but the point is that I

have a good deal of research experience, generally, which is key to developing

appropriate measurement tools like questionnaires).

My own experience with 4S: I remember the moment it started - getting into the

back seat of a car (I think I was age 8) and getting really indignant with my

stepfather that he would not stop making his allergy noises. I felt violated,

actually, like he was forcing me to participate in something I wasn't willing to

participate in. Today, I have to wear earplugs in the subway and during

classes/exams. If I'm hanging out with someone and they're smacking or have some

nasal issue, I am a caged animal. With rabies.

> >

> >

> > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of

4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation

between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many

ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our

cause if we organized our thoughts.

>

[Guest guest]

Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk

To: Soundsensitivity From: nicolezillmer@...Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:01:45 +0000Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

Regarding building a database, I would be willing to get something started if enough members of the group are willing to return to me a detailed questionnaire. I would of course keep everything confidential. I'm a doctoral student in cognitive studies (not precisely relevant, but the point is that I have a good deal of research experience, generally, which is key to developing appropriate measurement tools like questionnaires). My own experience with 4S: I remember the moment it started - getting into the back seat of a car (I think I was age 8) and getting really indignant with my stepfather that he would not stop making his allergy noises. I felt violated, actually, like he was forcing me to participate in something I wasn't willing to participate in. Today, I have to wear earplugs in the subway and during classes/exams. If I'm hanging out with someone and they're smacking or have some nasal issue, I am a caged animal. With rabies. > >> > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of 4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our cause if we organized our thoughts.>

[Guest guest]

I woul definitely be willing to fill out a questionairre. I could possibly help with the data as well.

Jim

To: Sound Sensitivity <soundsensitivity >Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 5:18:12 PMSubject: RE: Re: Dr. Phil

Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk

To: Soundsensitivity From: nicolezillmer@...Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:01:45 +0000Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

Regarding building a database, I would be willing to get something started if enough members of the group are willing to return to me a detailed questionnaire. I would of course keep everything confidential. I'm a doctoral student in cognitive studies (not precisely relevant, but the point is that I have a good deal of research experience, generally, which is key to developing appropriate measurement tools like questionnaires). My own experience with 4S: I remember the moment it started - getting into the back seat of a car (I think I was age 8) and getting really indignant with my stepfather that he would not stop making his allergy noises. I felt violated, actually, like he was forcing me to participate in something I wasn't willing to participate in. Today, I have to wear earplugs in the subway and during classes/exams. If I'm hanging out with someone and they're smacking or have some nasal issue, I am a caged animal.

With rabies. > >> > > >

We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of 4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our cause if we organized our thoughts.>

[Guest guest]

Excellent work everyone,Let's put our heads together come up with a list of questions and go from there. I will pull out the old database over the next few days and see what we can use out of there Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3Sender: Soundsensitivity Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:44:17 -0800 (PST)To: <Soundsensitivity >ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Phil I woul definitely be willing to fill out a questionairre. I could possibly help with the data as well. JimTo: Sound Sensitivity <soundsensitivity >Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 5:18:12 PMSubject: RE: Re: Dr. Phil Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk To: Soundsensitivity From: nicolezillmer@...Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:01:45 +0000Subject: Re: Dr. Phil Regarding building a database, I would be willing to get something started if enough members of the group are willing to return to me a detailed questionnaire. I would of course keep everything confidential. I'm a doctoral student in cognitive studies (not precisely relevant, but the point is that I have a good deal of research experience, generally, which is key to developing appropriate measurement tools like questionnaires). My own experience with 4S: I remember the moment it started - getting into the back seat of a car (I think I was age 8) and getting really indignant with my stepfather that he would not stop making his allergy noises. I felt violated, actually, like he was forcing me to participate in something I wasn't willing to participate in. Today, I have to wear earplugs in the subway and during classes/exams. If I'm hanging out with someone and they're smacking or have some nasal issue, I am a caged animal.With rabies. > >> > > >We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of 4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our cause if we organized our thoughts.>

[Guest guest]

I'm in.

I woul definitely be willing to fill out a questionairre. I could possibly help with the data as well.

Jim

To: Sound Sensitivity <soundsensitivity >Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 5:18:12 PMSubject: RE: Re: Dr. Phil Hurrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk

To: Soundsensitivity From: nicolezillmer@...Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:01:45 +0000Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

Regarding building a database, I would be willing to get something started if enough members of the group are willing to return to me a detailed questionnaire. I would of course keep everything confidential. I'm a doctoral student in cognitive studies (not precisely relevant, but the point is that I have a good deal of research experience, generally, which is key to developing appropriate measurement tools like questionnaires). My own experience with 4S: I remember the moment it started - getting into the back seat of a car (I think I was age 8) and getting really indignant with my stepfather that he would not stop making his allergy noises. I felt violated, actually, like he was forcing me to participate in something I wasn't willing to participate in. Today, I have to wear earplugs in the subway and during classes/exams. If I'm hanging out with someone and they're smacking or have some nasal issue, I am a caged animal.

With rabies. > >> > > >

We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of 4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our cause if we organized our thoughts.>

[Guest guest]

Great -- I'm excited to get this started. , if you'd like to email me

directly about the database you have please feel free.

> > >

> > >

> > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases

of

> >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation

> >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so

many

> >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our

> >cause if we organized our thoughts.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you

like us to keep you copied on any emails?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different

cases of

> > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections,

correlation

> > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so

many

> > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to

our

> > >cause if we organized our thoughts.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes please! I have zero talent in this area, but willing to help anyway I can.........................................

Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk

To: Soundsensitivity From: nicolezillmer@...Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:20 +0000Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you like us to keep you copied on any emails?> > > >> > > > > > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of > > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation > > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many > > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our > > >cause if we organized our thoughts.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Skill and talent can be learned, its the drive and willingness to

succeed that make all the difference

>

> Yes please! I have zero talent in this area, but willing to help anyway I

> can.........................................

>

>

> Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCP

>

> Telephone 01488-685151/ 686881

>

> info@...

>

> www.lastingchanges.co.uk

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: Soundsensitivity

> From: nicolezillmer@...

> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:20 +0000

> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

>

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> Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you

> like us to keep you copied on any emails?

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>> > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different

>> > > > cases of

>> > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections,

>> > > correlation

>> > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are

>> > > so many

>> > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial

>> > > to our

>> > >cause if we organized our thoughts.

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Sent from my mobile device

[Guest guest]

Yup, got plenty of that!

Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCPTelephone 01488-685151/ 686881info@...www.lastingchanges.co.uk

To: Soundsensitivity From: richard.t.mckenna@...Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:38:16 +1100Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

Skill and talent can be learned, its the drive and willingness tosucceed that make all the difference >> Yes please! I have zero talent in this area, but willing to help anyway I> can.........................................>>> Tara Economakis, Dip.AdvHyp,(N-SHAP),MCRAH,UKCP>> Telephone 01488-685151/ 686881>> info@...>> www.lastingchanges.co.uk>>>>>>>>>> To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:20 +0000> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil>>>>>>>> Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you> like us to keep you copied on any emails?>> >> > > >>> > > >>> > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different>> > > > cases of>> > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections,>> > > correlation>> > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are>> > > so many>> > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial>> > > to our>> > >cause if we organized our thoughts.>> > >>> >>>>>>> -- Sent from my mobile device

[Guest guest]

that would be great

To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 12:16:20 AMSubject: Re: Dr. Phil

Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you like us to keep you copied on any emails?> > > >> > > > > > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of > > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation

> > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many > > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our > > >cause if we organized our thoughts.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear , Tara, Jim and ,

This is the first time I decided to post anything in this forum, I'm quite new.

Database idea is excellent, I think it may even be the foundation for the

further research/studies of this disturbing " condition " . Please keep as much of

your communication as possible public (in this forum) for us to see how it is

developing. Perhaps others who did not openly share their interest are still

very much excited in the development part - I for one am.

Thanks.

Elvira

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> > > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different

cases

> >of

> >

> > > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections,

correlation

> >

> > > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are

so

> >many

> >

> > > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to

our

> >

> > > >cause if we organized our thoughts.

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Wow I completely forgot about this, will set a reminder for when I get home, sorry Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3Sender: Soundsensitivity Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:20 -0000To: <Soundsensitivity >ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Dr. Phil Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you like us to keep you copied on any emails?> > > >> > > > > > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of > > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation > > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many > > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our > > >cause if we organized our thoughts.> > >> >>

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Thanks for the reminder

What does the old database entail?

To: Sound sensitivity <Soundsensitivity >Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 5:11:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr. Phil

Wow I completely forgot about this, will set a reminder for when I get home, sorry Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

Sender: Soundsensitivity

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:20 -0000

To: <Soundsensitivity >

ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity

Subject: Re: Dr. Phil

Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you like us to keep you copied on any emails?> > > >> > > > > > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of > > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation

> > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many > > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our > > >cause if we organized our thoughts.> > >> >>

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Age of onset, triggers, first trigger, location, sex, what was done to try and cure 4s, and a fair bit more Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3Sender: Soundsensitivity Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:17:50 -0800 (PST)To: <Soundsensitivity >ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Phil Thanks for the reminderWhat does the old database entail? To: Sound sensitivity <Soundsensitivity >Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 5:11:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr. Phil Wow I completely forgot about this, will set a reminder for when I get home, sorry Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3 Sender: Soundsensitivity Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:20 -0000To: <Soundsensitivity >ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Dr. Phil Also, Tara and Jim, since you're both interested the project/data, would you like us to keep you copied on any emails?> > > >> > > > > > > > We need to create a data base so that we can organize the different cases of > > >4s. the different onset scenarios, triggers, family connections, correlation> > >between 4s and other medical conditions like ADHD and autism. There are so many > > >ideas and theories out there that i think that it would be beneficial to our > > >cause if we organized our thoughts.> > >> >>