RE: Soy Wax

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Soy wax is really just a form of CRISCO shortening.........

very, very, similar........in its properties.

blue skies,

Dakota

[Guest guest]

Hello Is the soy wax used in cosmetics the same that is used to make

candles?

Thanks

Carol

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Some can be. Get the kind that is hydrogenated soybean oil, one candle

company sells the soy that is really a cooking shortening, but is great for

candles.

I think it's Bluegrass Soy?? It's what a lot of our testers use, and one of

my best friends also uses this in her soy lotion bars, soap, lip balms, etc.

Angie

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I was told that Soy wax is soy wax is soy wax............. by a chemist at

Cargill, but he was very difficult to talk to,

so a lot times I thought I never really understood what he was trying to

say.......

blue skies,

Dakota

the power of soy

Malibu , California

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[Guest guest]

>I was told that Soy wax is soy wax is soy wax............. by a chemist at

>Cargill, but he was very difficult to talk to,

>so a lot times I thought I never really understood what he was trying to

>say.......

As far as I can tell, Soy Wax is Hydrogenated Soybean Oil.

Maurice

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So Soy wax is not a wax per s: It is not like beeswax?? I have a bucket of

Hydrogenated Soybean Oil is that considered soy wax? I am confused.

Thanks

Carol

Re: Soy Wax

> Soy wax is really just a form of CRISCO shortening.........

> very, very, similar........in its properties.

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>

> blue skies,

> Dakota

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[Guest guest]

>So Soy wax is not a wax per s: It is not like beeswax?? I have a bucket of

>Hydrogenated Soybean Oil is that considered soy wax? I am confused.

The History of Soy Candles

http://www.iasoybeans.com/ispb/soycandles/schistory.html

soy candle history

http://lizziecandles.com/index.cfm/fa/home.page/pageid/10.htm

Real Soy Wax is hydrogenated soybean oil. I believe the degree of hydrogenation

will effect the hardness/melt point.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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[Guest guest]

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Real Soy Wax is hydrogenated soybean oil. I believe the degree of

hydrogenation will effect the hardness/melt point.

Maurice

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And some companies will also blend in a little something else (most often

palm), so you have to read the fine print pretty carefully.

Angie

[Guest guest]

>Real Soy Wax is hydrogenated soybean oil. I believe the degree of

>hydrogenation will effect the hardness/melt point.

>Maurice

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> And some companies will also blend in a little something else (most often

>palm), so you have to read the fine print pretty carefully.

>Angie

Especially if you are using this in a cosmetic that you plan on selling beause

you'll need the correct name for ingredient labeling. Soy Wax is not an INCI

name.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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[Guest guest]

>What is the correct INCI name for soy wax?

Until today, I would've thought that the INCI name was Hydrogenated Soybean Oil.

But based on the information provided by Angie C.

>Not all are alike, and not all are 100% soy. The basic premise

>(hydrogenated soybean oil) is there, but some have other ingredients.

You better ask your vendor. The vendors of raw materials should know what there

are selling. If they don't, you should reconsider doing business with that

vendor. Think about it.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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[Guest guest]

>What is the correct INCI name for soy wax?

Until today, I would've thought that the INCI name was Hydrogenated Soybean

Oil. But based on the information provided by Angie C.

>Not all are alike, and not all are 100% soy. The basic premise

>(hydrogenated soybean oil) is there, but some have other ingredients.

You better ask your vendor. The vendors of raw materials should know what

there are selling. If they don't, you should reconsider doing business with

that vendor. Think about it.

Maurice

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Here's the problem: A goodly portion of the people who buy the soy wax

as it is sold, as " Candle wax " , don't use it for anything BUT candles. They

don't know about the requirements for cosmetics or any of that, or might not

even care... it's a whole new world once you cross over into the skin care.

They usually just assume, " soy is safe " , and go no further in their quest

for information.

When you read about companies selling their soy candles and encouraging

people to dip their fingers into the melted wax " like lotion " , or

candlemakers who say they love to rub the leftovers into their skin after

they've had a pouring session, makes you just want to cringe if you know

what they are doing could be dangerous. They don't consider that the

fragrance oil " may " not be skin safe, or that the solvent dye they used is

not safe for skin. If they add anything to their wax (various

petroleum-based items), what about that? The general candlemaking public is

pretty unaware of " the other side " of things. We started out with soap

first and then went to candles, and were still amazed at the differences in

" cosmetics " vs the other projects. Most candle making/supply sites don't

delve into this realm either, so there isn't a lot of exposure or knowledge

for the candlemakers unless and until they actively search for the

information or another candle maker points something out to them.

It doesn't help that a lot of candle supply sites, in an effort to

appear to have an exclusive, do not put what kind of soy wax it is, or from

which supplier. They might assign it a catchy name, or a number, but if you

don't know where it comes from (and a lot of places will not tell you

anything, except, " It's made just for us " ) you can't research it. Asking

some suppliers for any more information usually gets you silence because

they don't know or just don't want to reveal their source, which of course

is their right. Some will sell their soy wax as " organic " , but they cannot

provide you with proof from their vendor that it's organic. Heck half the

time they won't even reply back when you ask about it.

It's a real crap shoot trying to find a good supplier who is honest and will

tell you the truth about their product, I was turned on to the Bluegrass Soy

by a friend who uses it in everything and I like to stick with the company

who sells it because they ARE honest and they don't pretend that it is some

secret ingredient that you don't need to know about. In my book that is

going to sell a lot more product for them, than ignoring customers or lying

to them about the ingredients

There are many many " soy waxes " out there, as far as we know they are

probably the same waxes just being renamed but, if the supplier won't tell

you or can't tell you, Maurice is correct: Reconsider if you are going to

want to make toiletries or cosmetics with it. It might not be suitable.

Angie C.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol, I use soy wax in one of my soap formulas. Makes a nice hard soap. Jo

Carol Walck wrote:All I am so glad I asked this question

about soy wax. I have seen so many

web-sites using " soy wax " in their products, but if asked about it I

received strange answers or none at all. I was always under the assumption

that soy wax was used in just candles.

I see that it can be used in cosmetics, but as Angie and Maurice have

pointed out. Buyer beware.I have a whole new perspective on soy wax.

Thanks for all the interesting and informative info. You guys are the best.

Carol

[Guest guest]

This thread on soy wax is very interesting. I had seen lotion bars made

with it last year and they were very nice. I have a paraffin wax thing

my mom got me a couple of years ago and ended up needing to replace the

wax. I didn't buy enough of the paraffin so I decided I'd throw in some

soy wax I got in a trade (it less than a pound). It does feel nice on

my skin, but makes me wonder what I'm actually using. I'll probably

continue to use it for myself until I can get it replaced again but

wouldn't want to offer to let others use it.

Can the Bluegrass sox be used in lotions, lip balms, and such?

t.

[Guest guest]

Can the Bluegrass sox be used in lotions, lip balms, and such?

And where does one get the bluegrass?

Coral

[Guest guest]

they have a website. www.bluegrasssoy.com

Re: Soy Wax

Can the Bluegrass sox be used in lotions, lip balms, and such?

And where does one get the bluegrass?

Coral

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Some people are allergic to soy so you have to make sure you label it as

such. I knew a woman who was so allergic to it, that even touching a

product with soy in it would affect her breathing. That's one reason I

stayed away from soybean oils in my soap, but I really want to try some

in a body balm for myself.

t.

Re: Soy Wax

Thanks , I ordered some to try. My father raised soybeans--they

are

wonderful for so many things

I wonder if soy flour has round particle like tapioca flour, because the

beans themselves are round like tapioca but are beige.

Coral

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Can the Bluegrass sox be used in lotions, lip balms, and such?

t.

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Yes. Theirs is the only one I know of for certain that was made for

consumption, my soy tester has talked to their supplier. It's all she will

use in her products (she makes candles too) such as lip balms and soaps, and

just what I've played with, I really like it. We had a few bags of " soy wax "

years and years ago that I bought from another online supplier, and just

hated it because one batch made my house smell like a Burger King with the

fry vats! The Bluegrass is very " creamy " to work with, no off odor, we

really like it. It's a flake wax but the texture is very nice. It's a

pleasure to use! Here is info from the supplier:

http://www.bluegrasscandlesupply.com/wax.htm

Hope that helps someone out there. The owners of Bluegrass Candle Supply are

very nice and kind, and helpful. (Did I mention, they are ETHICAL?) They are

one of the few candle suppliers I will buy from.

Angie C.

[Guest guest]

Can the Bluegrass sox be used in lotions, lip balms, and such?

And where does one get the bluegrass?

Coral

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Hi Coral!

Here is the link, http://www.bluegrasscandlesupply.com/wax.htm

If you have any questions, email them and ask away!

Angie C.

[Guest guest]

The extreme benefits I experienced from SOY were from SOY WAX, making candles

for months. I have tried Soy oil........nowhere NEAR the benefits,

but do not have the chemistry knowledge to know 'why'??????????

I experimented with over 20 different soy waxes....extensively.

There is only one - in my opinion with superior qualities.

It was developed out of the patent of s ( the inventor of Soy

wax) which CARGILL purchased from Mr.s in 2001.

If you would kindly tell them I referred you...............

I would appreciate it.

Contact:

Donnie @ www.justbynature.com ........... ask for Cargills SOY WAX.

Dakota

[Guest guest]

In candlemaking you are not required to put the INCI information on the label.

So I doubt candlemakers will know what it is, and I have yet to find a Soap

supplier that sells SOY wax........a fact that I believe needs changing and

hopefully I will inspire it to.

If you substitute Soy wax for BEESWAX in all the lip balm recipes out

there........I think the results are far better. Soy is softer and of course

melts at a lower temp. therefore have a velvety softness to the balm.

In my opinion.

{Remember I'm a candlemaker}

And if Soy WAX does for my lips what it did for my hands..........

Gentlemen...............

WE HAVE A WINNER

On a candle the only law required info is:

NEVER LEAVE A CANDLE UNATTENDED, NEAR CHILDREN, OR NEAR A BREEZE.

and the weight.

WE are allowed to put 100% Soy wax with all 40 different brands of Soy

wax.....even though every single one of them is different.

Now I had a soy wax chemist tell me that the differences in each wax were in the

hydrogenation phase that each company does.......... (in THAT industry they are

constantly trying to conquer the " scent throw " capabilities).......

can someone explain what exactly " hydrogenation " is?

[Guest guest]

Angie C.

You are right.........

about the soy wax theory......

but I just keep making phone calls till I get my answers.......

I have found a woman at CARGILL ( a billion dollar company) that is extremely

EXTREMELY helpful regarding their Soy wax and the information about it. There is

not a better wax .......

Hands down.

on the market.

as I have submitted before..........

DONNIE @ www.JUSTBYNATURE.COM......is an Internet supplier of the Cargill

wax.....it is just magnificent..........

He will answer whatever you need to know..........about Soy wax or he will find

out.....

Tell him I sent you.

THEY ARE EXXXXXXXXXXtremely helpful

I WILL contact the man who invented the new Cargill wax and ask him this info

for everyone.

I usually get my answer with 24 hours.

This is how lame I am ............

Can a lotion/cream not include a wax? Is it technically NOT POSSIBLE?

Whoa that will disappoint me.

Blue BLUE skies...........

Dakota

[Guest guest]

In candlemaking you are not required to put the INCI information on the

label. So I doubt candlemakers will know what it is, and I have yet to find

a Soap supplier that sells SOY wax........a fact that I believe needs

changing and hopefully I will inspire it to.

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My comment about the candlemakers not knowing, is that there is a dearth

of info out there. BECAUSE candlemaking is not as stringent and not subject

to FDA and all that jazz like cosmetics, most candlemakers just don't know,

that the " harmless " soy wax may not be 100% soy, and that the addition of

fragrance and dye makes it unsafe for skin use. A majority of candle makers

don't know the difference between cosmetic grade fragrance and manufacture

grade, heck a lot of the people supplying the fragrances don't either. Most

supplier sites don't tell their customers diddly about it. The liquid dye

most commonly used for candle making, is solvent based. It's not supposed to

be used on skin. There is a lot of information out there promoting the use

of the melted candle wax as a skin treatment, and many candlemakers fall for

it. They just don't know better unless someone tells them, and even then you

get a lot of people who pooh-pooh the notion that they are doing possible

harm to themselves or their candle customers.

Even if we don't need INCI on candles, it never hurts to KNOW what you are

working with. For your sake, for your customers' sake, for your employees'

sake. You will be better prepared to discuss with your customers, for

instance, why that rumor they heard about the melted candle wax being a good

hand treatment, is not a good idea. After all, if something happens to their

skin they will more than likely sue you even if they are foolish enough to

stick their hands in the melted wax anyway

Just know what you have, not ALL " Soy wax " is 100% soy. Some has

cottonseed, some has palm or other ingredients. However small the

percentage, it's not 100% soy wax if there are other ingredients. And if

it's not manufactured to be used in food preparation, but just for candles,

you don't know if it's safe for lip balms and such. Many wax manufacturers

run several different types of waxes (paraffin, soy, veg, etc) and they are

not going to be as stringent as one made for human consumption.

Angie

C.

[Guest guest]

Angie C.

You are right.........

about the soy wax theory......

but I just keep making phone calls till I get my answers.......

I have found a woman at CARGILL ( a billion dollar company) that is

extremely EXTREMELY helpful regarding their Soy wax and the information

about it. There is not a better wax .......

Hands down.

on the market.

This is how lame I am ............

Can a lotion/cream not include a wax? Is it technically NOT POSSIBLE?

Whoa that will disappoint me.

Blue BLUE skies...........

Dakota

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One of my best buddies uses soy wax (the one sold as a cooking shortening,

aka the Bluegrass, not a candle wax) in ALL her products, this includes her

soaps, lotions, creams, massage bars, lip balms, candles, etc.

Cargill is the company that Soy Wax Kook was naming as her source, do you

remember that? LOL The lady who was going around to all the lists telling

people she'd sue them if they put " Soy Wax " in their product descriptions? I

felt so sorry for them to have that kind of problem.

At any rate, if the soy wax you want to use is the same as can be

consumed, then it is safe. You should get documentation from Cargill that

the soy wax you are wanting to use, is food and/or cosmetic grade wax. I

know that we had to show documentation to our insurance provider when we

were making lotion bars and other toiletries, that we were using approved

and safe ingredients, or they would not insure us. I don't know if every

company is this strict or even if that is still the norm, it's been 4 years

since we sold toiletry items to the public. But something to consider if you

are going to be giving or selling this to others. With the sue-happy people

out there, that's all you need

Angie C.

[Guest guest]

The extreme benefits I experienced from SOY were from SOY WAX, making

candles for months. I have tried Soy oil........nowhere NEAR the benefits,

but do not have the chemistry knowledge to know 'why'??????????

I experimented with over 20 different soy waxes....extensively.

There is only one - in my opinion with superior qualities.

It was developed out of the patent of s ( the inventor of Soy

wax) which CARGILL purchased from Mr.s in 2001.

If you would kindly tell them I referred you...............

I would appreciate it.

Contact:

Donnie @ www.justbynature.com ........... ask for Cargills SOY WAX.

Dakota

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Hi Dakota!

Cargill supplies to many suppliers, but what I am trying to help you

determine is if the wax you are wanting to use, be it from Cargill or

wherever, is one that can be safely used in the products you are wishing to

use it in. Is this a food grade soy wax?

I don't recall whether Cargill makes a " donut oil " aka soybean shortening,

which is what we are ideally looking for, for your lotions and creams.

Can you enlighten me? I'd love to know! It's been a long time since I talked

to any wax manufacturers LOL It's been so long and so much has changed.

Angie C.