Re: thicken a massage oil blend?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherri! I am actually working on a similar product and have been able

to make a gel-like product with a very simple ingredient list using only

silicones and oils. Specifically, I use a Dimethicone crosspolymer that

I get from Lotioncrafter and LOVE it! I just adjust the amount to make

it more thin or thick and then add some Cyclomethicone to thin the blend

as well. I think that by incorporating these silicones in with your

oils, you would not only easily produce the consistency that you are

looking for, but also produce a less greasy massage oil. Please feel

free to contact me off-list for more info or contact info for

Lotioncrafter. Hope this helps! Meagan

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

I have not tried this myself, but I have heard that some people use

silica gel for thickening oils when they are making scrubs.

Tasha

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> Hello,

> Can someone help me with what to use to thicken up a massage oil? My

> massage therapist uses grapeseed oil right now and would like a

> thicker oil, maybe a light gel texture.

[Guest guest]

LOL, thanks, Meagan! That was going to be my next suggestion!

You can create very nice thicker massage products with the silicones, including

the ones we carry. In particular, our Lotioncrafter 1401DC Cyclomethicone (and)

Dimethiconol makes a very nice massage base and can be combined with our

Lotioncrafter 8515 Cyclomethicone to thin it down a bit. The LC1401DC can

incorporate about 3% of a nice oil very well, above that you can run into

problems with the Dimethiconol, which is a resinous gum, separating out in the

blend because the cyclomethicone migrates into the oils. Then there is our

EL51 Cyclopentasiloxane (and) Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer which

can be combined with Lotioncrafter 8515 Cyclomethicone as well to create a very

nice massage oil. That product will incorporate a good bit more oil with no

trouble. We've duped a product by B & BW, their Smoothing Oil, using this

combination with jojoba oil (or any oil you choose -- squalane or fractionated

coconut oil are also very nice). Those formulas are in the formulary that ships

with our products.

There are endless combination you can make with these silicones, and a good way

to try them all out is with our Sampler Pack.

HTH,

Welch

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Meagan wrote:

Hi Sherri! I am actually working on a similar product and have been able

to make a gel-like product with a very simple ingredient list using only

silicones and oils. Specifically, I use a Dimethicone crosspolymer that

I get from Lotioncrafter and LOVE it! I just adjust the amount to make

it more thin or thick and then add some Cyclomethicone to thin the blend

as well. I think that by incorporating these silicones in with your

oils, you would not only easily produce the consistency that you are

looking for, but also produce a less greasy massage oil. Please feel

free to contact me off-list for more info or contact info for

Lotioncrafter. Hope this helps! Meagan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I had heard people talk about using one of them (not

sure which) for scrubs, and thought maybe it could be used for the massage

oil also. I hadn't thought of using them as I am quite happy with my

scrub thickened with solid oils and beeswax, but that is good to know just

in case one day in the future I suddenly decide I absolutely must try it.

I do occasionally do that. Just out of curiousity, does it feel yucky

in a scrub also?

Tasha

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:25 -0800, Welch

wrote:

> Fumed silica (INCI: silica) which is hydrophobic, and silica gel (INCI:

> hydrated silica) which is hydrophylic, will thicken oils, but I can just

> about guarantee Sherry will hate the feel used in a massage oil and I

> don't think the massage therapist will like the way it feels on her

> hands either.

[Guest guest]

Hi Meagan,

Thanks for the info! Is the Dimethicone crosspolymer the same as

regular dimethicone or are you using the blend? I have the Dimethicone

from Lotion Crafter. What is the percentage you use?

Well, I just tried the regular Dimethicone mixing with oil and that

didn't do it, although feels great on the skin. I'll have to look at

Lotion Crafters site again...

Sherry

> Specifically, I use a Dimethicone crosspolymer that

> I get from Lotioncrafter and LOVE it! I just adjust the amount to

make

> it more thin or thick and then add some Cyclomethicone to thin the

> blend

[Guest guest]

I think I got the same feel when using the hydroxypropyl starch!!

yuck! Kind of gritty. LOL

I'll have to try more of the silicones.

Sherry

> I can just about guarantee Sherry will hate the feel used in

> a massage oil and I don't think the massage therapist will

> like the way it feels on her hands either. IMHO, it makes

> you feel rather like you need to scrape it off your skin

> with a spatula!

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherri! I am a little late in answering your questions, but I will

just second what said: I have been using the crosspolymer, which

is different than just straight Dimethicone, with the Cyclomethicone and

it is very easy to adjust the consistency. I have been using approx. 8

pts. of the crosspolymer to 4 pts. cyclo. and 1 pt. oil (plus fragrance)

all of which results in a very nice, easily absorbed serum-like

consistency: not too runny but not too thick either. So I would

definitely check out the crosspolymer since I think it will easily give

you the consistency that you are looking for in your massage oil. HTH!

Meagan

>Is the Dimethicone crosspolymer the same as

>regular dimethicone or are you using the blend? I have the >Dimethicone

>from Lotion Crafter. What is the percentage you use?