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In a message dated 4/26/01 12:59:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

djkamakaze2000@... writes:

<< I'll go back to that special pizza

I get in the frozen section. >>

Hi ,

What is the name of the " special " pizza? Sunday night, we had pizza (Red

Barron Mexican). I ate 3 small pieces, part of the crust. My reading was

133.

Eunice

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In a message dated 04/26/2001 12:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Debstar1962@... writes:

> I did go high yesterday afternoon though. I don't understand why, I

> had a broiled chicken sandwich from Burger king. They have giant buns

> so I tried to guess how much of it was 3 carbs(the minimum my

> dietician wants me to go a meal), and I threw away the rest. I had

> celery with a tiny bit of crunchy peanut butter on it and a diet

> coke. The chicken didn't seem to have a sauce with any hidden carbs.

>

Its the bread, your bg will continue to be high unless you get rid of breads,

any flour products.

Fats do not raise my bg, carbs only, and protein at some degree, but only

minor.

The sauce on pizza has sugar and tomato is a fruit anyway, so I have to go

easy on that.

Its fine to do what diet you want, but your body seems to disagree here, :-)

High bg will make one sleepy and very tired.

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What kind of pizza is that? The name I mean. I might like to try that.

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> thanks for the tip. I'll go back to that special pizza

> I get in the frozen section. It's low fat and one

> version comes with no cheese.

>

>

>

> --- Debstar1962@... wrote:

> > , pizza makes me go high, too. My dietician

> > says its because of

> > the high fat content. Fats take a long time to go

> > through your

> > system, and they hang on to the carbs. So what

> > happens is that your

> > carbs don't rise right away, the fats hang on to

> > them and then later

> > you spike high. So its good to eat something with

> > high fiber, or a

> > protein to slow down the sugars from speeding

> > through your system,

> > but make sure it is low or no fat.(Of course, if

> > you're following a

> > low carb diet like Atkins, I think they would tell

> > you to eat the

> > toppings and chuck the crust, so it depends on your

> > diet.) I follow

> > ADA. I LOVE pizza so I'm thinking of trying it with

> > fat free cheese,

> > as unpleasant as it sounds. Something else that

> > works for me is I

> > order Dominos and get the thin crust. That doesn't

> > seem to affect me

> > as much. My dietician says its because they don't

> > use as much fats to

> > make the thin crust.

> >

> > Also, I think one of the symptoms that comes with

> > high blood sugar

> > is fatigue. When I go high, I get really tired and

> > just feel like

> > laying down and sleeping where ever I am.

> >

> > Debbie in Utah

> >

> >

> > > > > Hi Janet;

> > > > >

> > > > > At the diabetes education course I took (in

> > > > Canada)

> > > > > they said " between four and eight...feeling

> > > > great. "

> > > > > That's what they suggested we shoot for...

> > > > >

> > > > > Jane

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

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It helps.

Stress is a major factor, not sure about sleep though. I haven't slept well

this week, but I don't have the added stresses that you do. Keep hanging in

there. You can do it.

Friends,

Re: Acceptable numbers?

> Thanks, . Thats what I thought some here did. I happen to like

> the crust, especially the crispy pan crust from pizza hut, yum yum.

> So I'm trying different alternitaves to satisfy me.

>

> I did go high yesterday afternoon though. I don't understand why, I

> had a broiled chicken sandwich from Burger king. They have giant buns

> so I tried to guess how much of it was 3 carbs(the minimum my

> dietician wants me to go a meal), and I threw away the rest. I had

> celery with a tiny bit of crunchy peanut butter on it and a diet

> coke. The chicken didn't seem to have a sauce with any hidden carbs.

> I'm thinking I have been sleep deprived and have a ton of stress with

> my disabled kids problems this week, so maybe stress related sugar

> rises. I was 179 an hour after lunch. My heart was racing and I was

> extremely exausted. My husband came home from work to help care for

> my 4 year old so I could rest. BTW, also I had exercised before

> lunch. I hope that didn't make it rise, It has always been really

> helpful in lowering my bgs, sometimes as much as 80 points! Well, my

> dr is still helping me adjust my meds, but this was discouraging.

> Esp. because the night before I was 190! But I think that was because

> I might have forgotten to take my Glucophage XR, I took one when I

> remembered, and an hour later was 137. Sorry this is so long, I don't

> usually dump all this on you guys, it is really discouraging because

> I'm working so hard for control, and sometimes seem to be getting

> anything but. And I feel like an idiot when I have these things

> going on, even though I know I shouldn't feel that way. Sometimes I

> feel like I'm trying so hard, and don't seem to get results, and then

> get depressed and feel like, why am I bothering to try anyway?

> Anyway, I know better, and am hanging in there.

>

> Debbie in Utah

>

>

> > When I do eat pizza, that is what I do. Eat the toppings and throw

> away the

> > crust. It solves my pizza craving without sending my bg's too high.

> > Friends,

> >

>

>

>

>

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> Hope you come back soon!

>

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I can't remember the name,but, I'll find out. I'll

forward this to my wife. She always buys the food.

--- Debstar1962@... wrote:

> Wow, ditto for me. I can't get any chores done when

> they're up,

> imagine my oldest 2 have behavior problems and

> disabilities from

> spending theyre first 4 and 5 years of life in a

> birth home they were

> abused and severly neglected in. And then I have a

> healthy four year

> old on top of that. So I do chores, and I have to

> have that alone

> time too. BTW, what kind of pizza is that you get in

> the freezer

> section? I wonder if they have it out here in the

> " Old West " ?

>

> Debbie in Utah

>

>

> > Yeah, I'm beginning to think my bad sleep

> habits(30+

> > years in the making) are a contributor. My

> schedule is

> > so tight that when I finally get the kids to

> > bed(sometimes 9pm) I want to take some time for

> > myself.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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When I find out I'll share it with the list. It's

really good. organic cust, veggies etc...

--- ERWachter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/26/01 12:59:41 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> djkamakaze2000@... writes:

>

> << I'll go back to that special pizza

> I get in the frozen section. >>

>

> Hi ,

>

> What is the name of the " special " pizza? Sunday

> night, we had pizza (Red

> Barron Mexican). I ate 3 small pieces, part of the

> crust. My reading was

> 133.

> Eunice

>

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I'll find out.

--- wrote:

> What kind of pizza is that? The name I mean. I

> might like to try that.

>

> Re: Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> > thanks for the tip. I'll go back to that special

> pizza

> > I get in the frozen section. It's low fat and one

> > version comes with no cheese.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Debstar1962@... wrote:

> > > , pizza makes me go high, too. My dietician

> > > says its because of

> > > the high fat content. Fats take a long time to

> go

> > > through your

> > > system, and they hang on to the carbs. So what

> > > happens is that your

> > > carbs don't rise right away, the fats hang on to

> > > them and then later

> > > you spike high. So its good to eat something

> with

> > > high fiber, or a

> > > protein to slow down the sugars from speeding

> > > through your system,

> > > but make sure it is low or no fat.(Of course, if

> > > you're following a

> > > low carb diet like Atkins, I think they would

> tell

> > > you to eat the

> > > toppings and chuck the crust, so it depends on

> your

> > > diet.) I follow

> > > ADA. I LOVE pizza so I'm thinking of trying it

> with

> > > fat free cheese,

> > > as unpleasant as it sounds. Something else that

> > > works for me is I

> > > order Dominos and get the thin crust. That

> doesn't

> > > seem to affect me

> > > as much. My dietician says its because they

> don't

> > > use as much fats to

> > > make the thin crust.

> > >

> > > Also, I think one of the symptoms that comes

> with

> > > high blood sugar

> > > is fatigue. When I go high, I get really tired

> and

> > > just feel like

> > > laying down and sleeping where ever I am.

> > >

> > > Debbie in Utah

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > Hi Janet;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the diabetes education course I took

> (in

> > > > > Canada)

> > > > > > they said " between four and

> eight...feeling

> > > > > great. "

> > > > > > That's what they suggested we shoot for...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jane

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > > > >

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In a message dated 04/26/2001 2:20:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Debstar1962@... writes:

> . Please

> don't take offense, I haven't either, and you are a big help to me. I

> am cutting back on the carbs, or I might split my meals into smaller

> ones more often, than three big ones a day, until I find out what is

> going on.

>

no, I don't take offense, since we mostly realize with our posts, we are just

saying whats worked for us, its up to anyone else to try it or not try it, no

offense or judgement intended.

It is indeed a grieving process just getting used to monster diabetes, I went

through this too, I've been at this 10 yrs now, so I do understand.

carol

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Thanks for the good advise, Carol. The thing is some of the things I

eat, I don't have trouble with if I eat it in moderation, and my

body's reactions are what is changing. When I eat something I have

regularly, and my reaction changes, there's something going on with

my body. It might be I can't eat that food any more, but it might be

my meds arent working for me any more, It might be my pancreas is

shutting down more (BTW, genetically, my dad was a type 2 and had to

go on insulin, and so this is in my genes). And, I mean this in a

nice way, I'm not following a diet of my choice, but what my doctor

and my dietician say is best for me. And I need to follow their

advise, because they know my medical history. He doesn't know my new

problems yet, because he works a late shift today, so I'm waiting for

his call. And he's done an exellent job so far. Thank you so much for

the help, though. I also tend to forget that tomatoes have carbs, and

sauces. When I have spaghetti for my family, I make my own, so

there's only the carbs from the tomatoes, I don't add sugar. Please

don't take offense, I haven't either, and you are a big help to me. I

am cutting back on the carbs, or I might split my meals into smaller

ones more often, than three big ones a day, until I find out what is

going on.

Love, Debbie

I do try to do whole wheat buns, and when I go to Carls jr thats what

they have. Burger king's sandwiches have HUGE buns and I always eat

only part of it, but there might be something the do preparing their

food, even the buns that is too carby.

> Its fine to do what diet you want, but your body seems to disagree

here, :-)

> High bg will make one sleepy and very tired.

> carol

>

>

>

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Glad to be of service(bowing)

--- wrote:

> Thanks , I will check our store here in town

> and see if they carry it.

> Friends,

>

> Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> > I told you guys about the frozen pizza that I like

> > that doesn't cause any problems.

> >

> > It's made by Amy's . There's a no cheess veggie, a

> > spinach, feta etc... Hopefully they have it your

> > grocery store.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- /Celine Kossart wrote:

> > > At 02:33 PM 4/26/01, " "

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >When I do eat pizza, that is what I do. Eat

> the

> > > toppings and throw away the

> > > >crust. It solves my pizza craving without

> sending

> > > my bg's too high.

> > >

> > > This is similar to what I do, too. I take a

> bite or

> > > two with the crust and

> > > the rest of the piece I use my upper front teeth

> to

> > > scrape off the

> > > topping. Yum.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kossart T2 - currently on insulin.

> > > kozys@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Glad to be of service(bowing)

--- wrote:

> Thanks , I will check our store here in town

> and see if they carry it.

> Friends,

>

> Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> > I told you guys about the frozen pizza that I like

> > that doesn't cause any problems.

> >

> > It's made by Amy's . There's a no cheess veggie, a

> > spinach, feta etc... Hopefully they have it your

> > grocery store.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- /Celine Kossart wrote:

> > > At 02:33 PM 4/26/01, " "

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >When I do eat pizza, that is what I do. Eat

> the

> > > toppings and throw away the

> > > >crust. It solves my pizza craving without

> sending

> > > my bg's too high.

> > >

> > > This is similar to what I do, too. I take a

> bite or

> > > two with the crust and

> > > the rest of the piece I use my upper front teeth

> to

> > > scrape off the

> > > topping. Yum.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kossart T2 - currently on insulin.

> > > kozys@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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---Haven't heard of Amys's just Ellio's and the regular ones. I'll

have to ask around at all the markets! Do you have handy what

company makes it, ?

Madge

In diabetes@y..., Kehrer <djkamakaze2000@y...> wrote:

> Glad to be of service(bowing)

>

>

>

> --- <sjones@n...> wrote:

> > Thanks , I will check our store here in town

> > and see if they carry it.

> > Friends,

> >

> > Re: Acceptable numbers?

> >

> >

> > > I told you guys about the frozen pizza that I like

> > > that doesn't cause any problems.

> > >

> > > It's made by Amy's . There's a no cheess veggie, a

> > > spinach, feta etc... Hopefully they have it your

> > > grocery store.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- /Celine Kossart <kozys@t...> wrote:

> > > > At 02:33 PM 4/26/01, " " <sjones@n...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >When I do eat pizza, that is what I do. Eat

> > the

> > > > toppings and throw away the

> > > > >crust. It solves my pizza craving without

> > sending

> > > > my bg's too high.

> > > >

> > > > This is similar to what I do, too. I take a

> > bite or

> > > > two with the crust and

> > > > the rest of the piece I use my upper front teeth

> > to

> > > > scrape off the

> > > > topping. Yum.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kossart T2 - currently on insulin.

> > > > kozys@t...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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---Haven't heard of Amys's just Ellio's and the regular ones. I'll

have to ask around at all the markets! Do you have handy what

company makes it, ?

Madge

In diabetes@y..., Kehrer <djkamakaze2000@y...> wrote:

> Glad to be of service(bowing)

>

>

>

> --- <sjones@n...> wrote:

> > Thanks , I will check our store here in town

> > and see if they carry it.

> > Friends,

> >

> > Re: Acceptable numbers?

> >

> >

> > > I told you guys about the frozen pizza that I like

> > > that doesn't cause any problems.

> > >

> > > It's made by Amy's . There's a no cheess veggie, a

> > > spinach, feta etc... Hopefully they have it your

> > > grocery store.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- /Celine Kossart <kozys@t...> wrote:

> > > > At 02:33 PM 4/26/01, " " <sjones@n...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >When I do eat pizza, that is what I do. Eat

> > the

> > > > toppings and throw away the

> > > > >crust. It solves my pizza craving without

> > sending

> > > > my bg's too high.

> > > >

> > > > This is similar to what I do, too. I take a

> > bite or

> > > > two with the crust and

> > > > the rest of the piece I use my upper front teeth

> > to

> > > > scrape off the

> > > > topping. Yum.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kossart T2 - currently on insulin.

> > > > kozys@t...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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In a message dated 04/28/2001 12:20:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

fredmom@... writes:

> I have found some wheat bread that I think said 12 grams. not too bad.

>

If anyone wants a white bread, nissan puts out a light italian bread, its

10carbs per slice, but minus the fiber, its only 7, its very good.

I've also noticed the store brand has this too, just look around your store

for the light italian. Noo need to send away online for your very expensive

loaves of bread, which is about $6-7 a loaf? No way!!! LOL and even though

the carb count is only 3-4 a slice, its only about half the size of a regular

slice of bread, sure they are really good, but not worth the price.

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---Thanks, . You know I keep confusing you and !!!

Madge

In diabetes@y..., " " <sjones@n...> wrote:

> Nature's Own

> Wheat Bread has 11 carbs.

>

> Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> > ---, What bread is only 11 carbs?? I haven't found one that

low.

> > Madge

> >

> > In diabetes@y..., " " <woodduckflds@e...> wrote:

> > > Today I ate a slice of bread (11 carbs)

> > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > ]

> >

> >

> >

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---Thanks, . You know I keep confusing you and !!!

Madge

In diabetes@y..., " " <sjones@n...> wrote:

> Nature's Own

> Wheat Bread has 11 carbs.

>

> Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> > ---, What bread is only 11 carbs?? I haven't found one that

low.

> > Madge

> >

> > In diabetes@y..., " " <woodduckflds@e...> wrote:

> > > Today I ate a slice of bread (11 carbs)

> > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > ]

> >

> >

> >

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I'd have to look at the wrapper next time we get some.

--- Madge910@... wrote:

> ---Haven't heard of Amys's just Ellio's and the

> regular ones. I'll

> have to ask around at all the markets! Do you have

> handy what

> company makes it, ?

> Madge

>

>

> In diabetes@y..., Kehrer

> <djkamakaze2000@y...> wrote:

> > Glad to be of service(bowing)

> >

> >

> >

> > --- <sjones@n...> wrote:

> > > Thanks , I will check our store here in

> town

> > > and see if they carry it.

> > > Friends,

> > >

> > > Re: Acceptable numbers?

> > >

> > >

> > > > I told you guys about the frozen pizza that I

> like

> > > > that doesn't cause any problems.

> > > >

> > > > It's made by Amy's . There's a no cheess

> veggie, a

> > > > spinach, feta etc... Hopefully they have it

> your

> > > > grocery store.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- /Celine Kossart <kozys@t...> wrote:

> > > > > At 02:33 PM 4/26/01, " " <sjones@n...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >When I do eat pizza, that is what I do.

> Eat

> > > the

> > > > > toppings and throw away the

> > > > > >crust. It solves my pizza craving without

> > > sending

> > > > > my bg's too high.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is similar to what I do, too. I take a

> > > bite or

> > > > > two with the crust and

> > > > > the rest of the piece I use my upper front

> teeth

> > > to

> > > > > scrape off the

> > > > > topping. Yum.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kossart T2 - currently on insulin.

> > > > > kozys@t...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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I think maybe I should(in my dubious free time) start

keeping a food diary until I can figure out what

effects me and what doesn't.

--- N2Oakes@... wrote:

> << My doctor says carbs shouldn't effect me.

> I may need to find a doctor who is more attentive.

> >>

>

> Yah, I've heard that one before! Guess what, carbs

> do affect us! Carbs

> aren't villains, we need them for various nutrients

> and they taste good. But

> we do need to incorporate them into our diet in a

> way that doesn't negatively

> impact our BGs, by limiting the amount, using the

> glycemic index to help us

> choose them most effectively, and/or using

> medication.

>

> I eat a lot of carbs (even sugar) compared to the

> people who do low carb, but

> I still plan for them, make sure I know where they

> are on the glycemic index,

> spread them out over the day and use insulin. If I

> didn't use insulin, I

> basically couldn't eat any carbs - pre-insulin, I

> pretty much had to go carb

> free (literally) to get anywhere near normal values.

>

> Type 2s who can still manage without medication

> usually have to *manage*

> their carbohydrate content, and experiment and test

> until they know what

> they're bodies can or can't handle. Unless your

> doctor meant that carbs

> don't negatively affect BGs in a person who doesn't

> have diabetes, s/he's not

> all that up-to-date on diabetic reality.

>

> Nan

>

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It is Pepperidge Farm oatmeal with whole grain oats- it is very good. I

spent an hour reading all the bread labels at the " Giant "

food store to find it.

---, What bread is only 11 carbs?? I haven't found one that low.

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I have found some wheat bread that I think said 12 grams. not too bad.

Coleen :)

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It is Pepperidge Farm oatmeal with whole grain oats- it is very good. I

spent an hour reading all the bread labels at the " Giant "

food store to find it.

---, What bread is only 11 carbs?? I haven't found one that low.

Madge

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---I have a Giant near me. I will look there. That is good too,

Coleen. I think the one I have is 14, can't always get though. We

go through a lot of bread here with 3 boys living home (they are

young adults) The middle one brings home potato bread that he likes.

I dont eat bread much, I prefer rolls which are probably worse! Not

very often though. We also have a pepperidge farm outlet store near

here. Haven't been in there ever! Think I am afraid to go in!!!(Ya

now, they have to have the cookies lurking in there!)

Madge

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> I have found some wheat bread that I think said 12 grams. not too

bad.

>

> Coleen :)

> Re: Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> It is Pepperidge Farm oatmeal with whole grain oats- it is very

good. I

> spent an hour reading all the bread labels at the " Giant "

> food store to find it.

>

>

> ---, What bread is only 11 carbs?? I haven't found one that

low.

> Madge

>

>

>

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Hi Madge,

I agree....I think rolls are higher in carbs but check it out :)

oh guess what!! my hubby who is diabetic 2 has been eating those sweet roll

things with icing on them for breakfast! they are small but still!! I told

him to at least cut them in half! UG! can't change a 71yo can you??!

LOL...not good I know! I did notice how he sat sort of facing AWAY from me

at the table when I went to give him his egg and ham.

anyways...I went to Bakery where they sell day old bread. I try and

get the least carb bread I can. I did find 11 carbs and will have to look at

the label for you all. It is just a simple bread...of course...haha..if you

get stuff in it you seem to get more carbs :(

hugs, Coleen :)

Re: Acceptable numbers?

---I have a Giant near me. I will look there. That is good too,

Coleen. I think the one I have is 14, can't always get though. We

go through a lot of bread here with 3 boys living home (they are

young adults) The middle one brings home potato bread that he likes.

I dont eat bread much, I prefer rolls which are probably worse! Not

very often though. We also have a pepperidge farm outlet store near

here. Haven't been in there ever! Think I am afraid to go in!!!(Ya

now, they have to have the cookies lurking in there!)

Madge

In diabetes@y..., " Coleen Pettit " <fredmom@w...> wrote:

> I have found some wheat bread that I think said 12 grams. not too

bad.

>

> Coleen :)

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--Coleen, my hubby is 54 and I have a heck of a time with him too!!

He orders out when I am at work!!! Plenty to eat right here!!!

Drives me nuts!!! Threatened to take his allowance away!!!

Madge

- In diabetes@y..., " Coleen Pettit " <fredmom@w...> wrote:

> Hi Madge,

>

> I agree....I think rolls are higher in carbs but check it out :)

>

> oh guess what!! my hubby who is diabetic 2 has been eating those

sweet roll

> things with icing on them for breakfast! they are small but still!!

I told

> him to at least cut them in half! UG! can't change a 71yo can you??!

> LOL...not good I know! >

> hugs, Coleen :)

>

> Re: Acceptable numbers?

>

>

> ---I have a Giant near me. I will look there. That is good too,

> Coleen. I think the one I have is 14, can't always get though. We

> go through a lot of bread here with 3 boys living home (they are

> young adults) The middle one brings home potato bread that he likes.

> I dont eat bread much, I prefer rolls which are probably worse! Not

> very often though. We also have a pepperidge farm outlet store near

> here. Haven't been in there ever! Think I am afraid to go in!!!(Ya

> now, they have to have the cookies lurking in there!)

> Madge

> In diabetes@y..., " Coleen Pettit " <fredmom@w...> wrote:

> > I have found some wheat bread that I think said 12 grams. not too

> bad.

> >

> > Coleen :)

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--I have to remember to bring my glasses, can't believe how small

that print is on everything!!! I had to have a stanger read a label

once!!

Madge

- In diabetes@y..., " " <woodduckflds@e...> wrote:

> It is Pepperidge Farm oatmeal with whole grain oats- it is very

good. I

> spent an hour reading all the bread labels at the " Giant "

> food store to find it.

>

>

> ---, What bread is only 11 carbs?? I haven't found one that

low.

> Madge

>

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