Re: Freddie: To gym or not to gym

April 16, 2006

,

I love the part about going to the store and doing reps to gage

where you were at! I had previously thought about the same thing but

wondered if I'd make a scene doing 12 reps, then 10, then 8, etc. :-)

I have also been looking for used weight sets. They are one product

that does wear out and there really isn't any difference between new

and used. Lots of people get them with the intention of working out

and then quit. I see lots of Bowflex and treadmills in the

classified with the description " barely used " but not many weight

sets. The problem is, if they aren't local, no one wants to ship

them due to the weight, and rightly so.

I have seen Athony Ellis and my body is pretty much identical to his

before picture. If I knew I could get his results I would be

starting the BFL tomarrow! The trouble is, I don't see many pictures

of skinny people before BFL so wonder if he is an exception as far

as getting such outstanding results. I had previously seen his

website and he is trying to sell a program. I was kind of

suspicious of his results (because of his sales pitch) so I never

read it to see what it is about, but I will. I guess he didn't

follow the BFL program exactly but tweaked it in some way and is now

trying to sell the program.

As for goals, I mentioned previously that in order to set goals I

need to know what is realistic. If it's typical to gain 5 pounds of

muscle in 12 weeks then I can't set a goal of 20 pounds. Goals make

you work hard to achieve them, but if they aren't realistic you are

setting yourself up for disappointment.

As I mentioned before, I have read the book, twice. That's what got

me looking for a group and I found this one.

Thanks again for the tips . If you see someone doing reps at

teh store, it might be me!

>

> Freddie,

>

> to gym or not to gym, that is the question.

>

> Bert and I do all our workouts at home. We started with 1, 2, 5

lbs weight for me and 5, 8, 10, and 12 lbs weight for Bert. We went

to the store and started doing a few reps with each weight to gage

where we were at! We purchased almost all of our weights at garage

sales and play it again sports. I have also seen them offered on

Freecycle or a group similar to that.

>

> All you have to do is choose my friend!

>

> Regarding goals. You gotta have goals my friend! What would be

your ideal body? You might want to check out a champion named

Athony Ellis. He was a skinny guy who really became buff in 12

weeks. I think you can find him by " google-ing " him.

>

> Stop trying to get it right and just start doing it. Have you read

the book yet?

>

> H

April 16, 2006

,

I love the part about going to the store and doing reps to gage

where you were at! I had previously thought about the same thing but

wondered if I'd make a scene doing 12 reps, then 10, then 8, etc. :-)

I have also been looking for used weight sets. They are one product

that does wear out and there really isn't any difference between new

and used. Lots of people get them with the intention of working out

and then quit. I see lots of Bowflex and treadmills in the

classified with the description " barely used " but not many weight

sets. The problem is, if they aren't local, no one wants to ship

them due to the weight, and rightly so.

I have seen Athony Ellis and my body is pretty much identical to his

before picture. If I knew I could get his results I would be

starting the BFL tomarrow! The trouble is, I don't see many pictures

of skinny people before BFL so wonder if he is an exception as far

as getting such outstanding results. I had previously seen his

website and he is trying to sell a program. I was kind of

suspicious of his results (because of his sales pitch) so I never

read it to see what it is about, but I will. I guess he didn't

follow the BFL program exactly but tweaked it in some way and is now

trying to sell the program.

As for goals, I mentioned previously that in order to set goals I

need to know what is realistic. If it's typical to gain 5 pounds of

muscle in 12 weeks then I can't set a goal of 20 pounds. Goals make

you work hard to achieve them, but if they aren't realistic you are

setting yourself up for disappointment.

As I mentioned before, I have read the book, twice. That's what got

me looking for a group and I found this one.

Thanks again for the tips . If you see someone doing reps at

teh store, it might be me!

>

> Freddie,

>

> to gym or not to gym, that is the question.

>

> Bert and I do all our workouts at home. We started with 1, 2, 5

lbs weight for me and 5, 8, 10, and 12 lbs weight for Bert. We went

to the store and started doing a few reps with each weight to gage

where we were at! We purchased almost all of our weights at garage

sales and play it again sports. I have also seen them offered on

Freecycle or a group similar to that.

>

> All you have to do is choose my friend!

>

> Regarding goals. You gotta have goals my friend! What would be

your ideal body? You might want to check out a champion named

Athony Ellis. He was a skinny guy who really became buff in 12

weeks. I think you can find him by " google-ing " him.

>

> Stop trying to get it right and just start doing it. Have you read

the book yet?

>

> H

April 16, 2006

Interesting thing. This champion said he didn't use BFL, yet he is

pictured in the BFL book. Additionally, his after picture in the BFL

book is his 16 week picture, not his 12 week picture. Kind of hard not

to be skeptical when you see these sort of things.

> You might want to check out a champion named Athony Ellis. He was

a skinny guy who really became buff in 12 weeks. I think you can find

him by " google-ing " him.

>

April 16, 2006

Freddie, I have seen many Champions go on after BFL to become

Fitness Counselors, Endorse various products, or sell weight loss

programs. It may very well be he started using his status as

a " Champion " as a budsiness tool to start selling a program.

Obviously he can't sell BFL so he came up with his own.

I really think if you are willing to set your mind to it, you can

achieve non-typical results with this plan. In week 8 I have gained

19 pounds of muscle. As far I know it is actually easier for men to

form muscle, or at least more of it, than woman.

Don't be afraid to disappoint yourself. If you set a goal a bit too

high, well than it may take 2 Challenges to do it. I wouldn't see

that as a bad thing.

At this point you could say 30 pounds of muscle. That would be a

large order to fill and keep you pushed motivation wise but it is

certainly not out of the question. I have lost 29 pounds of fat and

gained 19 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. (and go ahead take a margin

of error of 5 pounds although I think my pics show my measurments

are accurate) I had a lady remark that she didn't think that it

was " humanly possible " toget those numbers doing BFL, LOL! I suppose

when your in as bad a shape as I was the sky is the limit.

Set your mind to it Freddie and GO!!!! You can do it!

Machelle

(Is haveing non-typical results.)

> >

> > Freddie,

> >

> > to gym or not to gym, that is the question.

> >

> > Bert and I do all our workouts at home. We started with 1, 2, 5

> lbs weight for me and 5, 8, 10, and 12 lbs weight for Bert. We

went

> to the store and started doing a few reps with each weight to gage

> where we were at! We purchased almost all of our weights at

garage

> sales and play it again sports. I have also seen them offered on

> Freecycle or a group similar to that.

> >

> > All you have to do is choose my friend!

> >

> > Regarding goals. You gotta have goals my friend! What would

be

> your ideal body? You might want to check out a champion named

> Athony Ellis. He was a skinny guy who really became buff in 12

> weeks. I think you can find him by " google-ing " him.

> >

> > Stop trying to get it right and just start doing it. Have you

read

> the book yet?

> >

> > H

>

April 16, 2006

Hmmm, I hadn't read this before I posted earlier.

Still doesn't change what YOU can do!

Machelle

>

> > You might want to check out a champion named Athony Ellis. He

was

> a skinny guy who really became buff in 12 weeks. I think you can

find

> him by " google-ing " him.

> >

>

April 18, 2006

Thanks Brett. I'd be lieing if I said I wasn't pretty friggin happy

about those results myself.

BTW, Ab Boot Camp kicks butt.I am not sure who all is using this, but

I still have loads of fat all over my stomach with abs just dying to

come out and play from the crazy wicked routine.

New Goal: To flip a quarter down my stomach by Week 12. I used to do

that all the time as a kid, LOL! I can roll my abs now but I have too

mush fat on them to get the quarter going.

April 18, 2006

Thanks Brett. I'd be lieing if I said I wasn't pretty friggin happy

about those results myself.

BTW, Ab Boot Camp kicks butt.I am not sure who all is using this, but

I still have loads of fat all over my stomach with abs just dying to

come out and play from the crazy wicked routine.

New Goal: To flip a quarter down my stomach by Week 12. I used to do

that all the time as a kid, LOL! I can roll my abs now but I have too

mush fat on them to get the quarter going.

April 18, 2006

I don't recall where I read it or heard it.. I can try

to check on that.. but It may have been in a Muscle

Media magazine article somewhere way back when the

book first was being marketed...

--- Brett wrote:

> , what is your source for how the book was

> devised?

>

> It makes sense though, since that is the impression

> I had when reading it for the first time. I thought

> to myself, " this is just bodybuilding for dummies "

> There wasn't really any new info, it was just common

> bb'ing knowledge all put in one place.

>

> However...though I had heard the things contained in

> the book, I hadn't really caught the vision of the

> diet part and balancing carbs and proteins not only

> in the overall diet, but at each meal. That was the

> magic of the book and the BFL approach for me. I

> knew about eating clean, I just didn't " get it " with

> regard to protein.

>

> I was SO happy too, because that meant I wasn't

> going to have to do an hour of cardio every morning

> if I wanted to get leaner!!!

>

> Brett (very happy for Machelle's so-called

> non-typical results!!!)

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: bodyforlife on behalf of

> Sent: Sun 4/16/2006 9:09 PM

> To: bodyforlife

> Subject: RE: Re: Freddie: To gym or

> not to gym

>

> Technically, BFL the book was devised by trial and

> error of the 1st and 2nd,

> and possibly even the 3rd rounds of the official

> challenges, based on bits

> and pieces of what was found to work and not work

> for those champions of

> those respective challenges..

>

> SOOOO Ellis didn't do it by the book,

> because there was no book yet,

> AND. things he did contributed to the creation of

> the book.

>

> _____

>

> From: bodyforlife

> [mailto:bodyforlife ] On

> Behalf Of craw405

> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:02 PM

> To: bodyforlife

> Subject: Re: Freddie: To gym or not to

> gym

>

> Freddie,

>

> Ellis did do bfl the first time, watch the

> bfl videos and

> you will see. It is either on body of work or

> success stories 1.

> Cant remember which one. He is an absolute

> inspiration to me, and

> you can do what he has done.

>

> mark

>

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I love the part about going to the store and

> doing reps to gage

> > > where you were at! I had previously thought

> about the same thing

> > but

> > > wondered if I'd make a scene doing 12 reps, then

> 10, then 8,

> > etc. :-)

> > >

> > > I have also been looking for used weight sets.

> They are one

> > product

> > > that does wear out and there really isn't any

> difference between

> > new

> > > and used. Lots of people get them with the

> intention of working

> > out

> > > and then quit. I see lots of Bowflex and

> treadmills in the

> > > classified with the description " barely used "

> but not many

> weight

> > > sets. The problem is, if they aren't local, no

> one wants to

> ship

> > > them due to the weight, and rightly so.

> > >

> > > I have seen Athony Ellis and my body is pretty

> much identical to

> > his

> > > before picture. If I knew I could get his

> results I would be

> > > starting the BFL tomarrow! The trouble is, I

> don't see many

> > pictures

> > > of skinny people before BFL so wonder if he is

> an exception as

> far

> > > as getting such outstanding results. I had

> previously seen his

> > > website and he is trying to sell a program. I

> was kind of

> > > suspicious of his results (because of his sales

> pitch) so I

> never

> > > read it to see what it is about, but I will. I

> guess he didn't

> > > follow the BFL program exactly but tweaked it in

> some way and is

> > now

> > > trying to sell the program.

> > >

> > > As for goals, I mentioned previously that in

> order to set goals

> I

> > > need to know what is realistic. If it's typical

> to gain 5 pounds

> > of

> > > muscle in 12 weeks then I can't set a goal of 20

> pounds. Goals

> > make

> > > you work hard to achieve them, but if they

> aren't

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April 19, 2006

Yet his webpage states

" Is your manual pretty much the same as BODY FOR LIFE? "

" So, to answer your question, it is a different program. It is as I

stated on my website -- my manual is the program that I did during my

12 week transformation to help me gain as much mass as possible " .

>

> SOOOO Ellis didn't do it by the book, because there was no

book yet,

> AND. things he did contributed to the creation of the book.

>

April 19, 2006

Yet his webpage states

" Is your manual pretty much the same as BODY FOR LIFE? "

" So, to answer your question, it is a different program. It is as I

stated on my website -- my manual is the program that I did during my

12 week transformation to help me gain as much mass as possible " .

>

> SOOOO Ellis didn't do it by the book, because there was no

book yet,

> AND. things he did contributed to the creation of the book.

>

April 19, 2006

Yet his webpage states

" Is your manual pretty much the same as BODY FOR LIFE? "

" So, to answer your question, it is a different program. It is as I

stated on my website -- my manual is the program that I did during my

12 week transformation to help me gain as much mass as possible " .

>

> SOOOO Ellis didn't do it by the book, because there was no

book yet,

> AND. things he did contributed to the creation of the book.

>

April 19, 2006

Freddie,

I can see you are looking for somthing to show you it can be done.

Bottom line....this works,it has worked for many,and it will work

for you. At first I looked all over for somone with my build who

went from tubby to sexy in 12 short weeks. You know what, not many

have compared to those who have tried but (although all show

improvement for sure)......it can be done. The message boards are

full of people missing workouts, cheating on foods, over eating, not

hitting 10's then wondering why they aren't seeing the results they

want. I wasn't gonna be one of those. So I put one foot in front of

the other, worked my @ss off, and just had faith that if I was true

to plan and worked hard it would happen. I think I have done pretty

good so far. At some point you will need to get off the fence and

start busting @ss with 100% percent comittment and belief in

yourself that you too can have non-typical results.

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am sooo thrilled with this

program. Yes, you can burn fat, build muscle, and change horrible

habits ALL at the same time with BFL. It's certainly not easy in any

regard but it can be done IF you want it bad enough.

Machelle

(Wants it really bad!)

> > > > >

> > > > > Freddie,

> > > > >

> > > > > to gym or not to gym, that is the question.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bert and I do all our workouts at home. We started with

1,

> 2,

> > 5

> > > > lbs weight for me and 5, 8, 10, and 12 lbs weight for Bert.

> We

> > > went

> > > > to the store and started doing a few reps with each weight

to

> > gage

> > > > where we were at! We purchased almost all of our weights at

> > > garage

> > > > sales and play it again sports. I have also seen them

offered

> > on

> > > > Freecycle or a group similar to that.

> > > > >

> > > > > All you have to do is choose my friend!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding goals. You gotta have goals my friend! What

> would

> > > be

> > > > your ideal body? You might want to check out a champion

named

> > > > Athony Ellis. He was a skinny guy who really became buff in

> 12

> > > > weeks. I think you can find him by " google-ing " him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Stop trying to get it right and just start doing it. Have

> you

> > > read

> > > > the book yet?

> > > > >

> > > > > H

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 19, 2006