Re: Immune system

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In a message dated 12/29/1999 10:16:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

aubcar@... writes:

<< Your body is recognising your liver tissue as foreign and

attacking it. Theoretically, if you boost your immune system you worsen

your PSC. >>

Hi Aubrey: (by the way, I work with someone named Aubrey!)

I am new here as you know, but I have a question. If the body is attacking

the liver because it looks at it as being foreign, then how would getting a

new liver make a difference? Wouldn't the body attack the new liver too?

Judy

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In a message dated 12/29/1999 10:16:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

aubcar@... writes:

<< Your body is recognising your liver tissue as foreign and

attacking it. Theoretically, if you boost your immune system you worsen

your PSC. >>

Hi Aubrey: (by the way, I work with someone named Aubrey!)

I am new here as you know, but I have a question. If the body is attacking

the liver because it looks at it as being foreign, then how would getting a

new liver make a difference? Wouldn't the body attack the new liver too?

Judy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/1999 10:16:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

aubcar@... writes:

<< Your body is recognising your liver tissue as foreign and

attacking it. Theoretically, if you boost your immune system you worsen

your PSC. >>

Hi Aubrey: (by the way, I work with someone named Aubrey!)

I am new here as you know, but I have a question. If the body is attacking

the liver because it looks at it as being foreign, then how would getting a

new liver make a difference? Wouldn't the body attack the new liver too?

Judy

[Guest guest]

You may want to reconsider doing anything that increases or is said to

increase the activity of your immune system if you have PSC. The reason

behind this is the hypothesis that PSC is due to an over active immune

system. Your body is recognising your liver tissue as foreign and

attacking it. Theoretically, if you boost your immune system you worsen

your PSC.

I found that I rarely was sick with colds/flus or other problems other

than my autoimmune conditions. This continues to be the case despite

being on immunosuppressants.

Your condition may be different, but I would urge caution in this

matter.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/1999 2:38:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

aubcar@... writes:

<< Hi Judy,

One of the theories about PSC is that continued ascending infections

from the bowel causes the immune system to start to recognise the liver

tissue as foreign. In approximately 5% of tx for PSC the condition

returns. The reason is unclear.

We don't think it's directly related to the previous attack on the

native liver. But no one knows for sure why this happens or how.

Aubrey >>

Aubrey:

Thanks for the explanation. Another question..........What is the difference

between PSC and PBS?

Thanks

Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

One of the theories about PSC is that continued ascending infections

from the bowel causes the immune system to start to recognise the liver

tissue as foreign. In approximately 5% of tx for PSC the condition

returns. The reason is unclear.

We don't think it's directly related to the previous attack on the

native liver. But no one knows for sure why this happens or how.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

One of the theories about PSC is that continued ascending infections

from the bowel causes the immune system to start to recognise the liver

tissue as foreign. In approximately 5% of tx for PSC the condition

returns. The reason is unclear.

We don't think it's directly related to the previous attack on the

native liver. But no one knows for sure why this happens or how.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

One of the theories about PSC is that continued ascending infections

from the bowel causes the immune system to start to recognise the liver

tissue as foreign. In approximately 5% of tx for PSC the condition

returns. The reason is unclear.

We don't think it's directly related to the previous attack on the

native liver. But no one knows for sure why this happens or how.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Aubrey.....You make a great point. I appreciate your knowledgeable input.

Lynn

Re: Immune system

>You may want to reconsider doing anything that increases or is said to

>increase the activity of your immune system if you have PSC. The reason

>behind this is the hypothesis that PSC is due to an over active immune

>system. Your body is recognising your liver tissue as foreign and

>attacking it. Theoretically, if you boost your immune system you worsen

>your PSC.

>I found that I rarely was sick with colds/flus or other problems other

>than my autoimmune conditions. This continues to be the case despite

>being on immunosuppressants.

>Your condition may be different, but I would urge caution in this

>matter.

>

>Aubrey

>

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I have a question about that theory because I was wondering the same thing

about boosting the immune system.....If PSC is an autoimmune disorder,

why isn't the same treatment given as for AIH?

Also, I have a question about Goldenseal, it is claimed to be excellent

for the congestion of the liver and spleen, however (I'm not being negative

here, because I believe in herbals), I read an excellent book at the drugstore,

it is like a pharmeceutical drug book only on herbals, all interactions,

body reactions etc, and it said that goldenseal increased coronary blood

flow...if this is true, wouldn't that put extra pressure on an already

enlarged liver and spleen that is having trouble pushing blood through

anyway? Just a little pondering I've been doing, so I didn't get

the goldenseal (yet....). You know, I wonder if you could

put billing in on all these questions....lol,

Thanks,

Patti

Aubrey Goldstein wrote:

You may want to reconsider doing anything that increases

or is said to

increase the activity of your immune system if you have PSC. The reason

behind this is the hypothesis that PSC is due to an over active immune

system. Your body is recognising your liver tissue as foreign and

attacking it. Theoretically, if you boost your immune system you worsen

your PSC.

I found that I rarely was sick with colds/flus or other problems other

than my autoimmune conditions. This continues to be the case despite

being on immunosuppressants.

Your condition may be different, but I would urge caution in

this

matter.

Aubrey

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Hi Lynn;

I know some of you will think I'm a typical California granola

cruncher, but I

believe in the following. Maybe it's just the placebo effect, but it

has

worked for me. I went from getting BAD colds every time I travelled by

air

when we were newly weds, kidless and stress-free, to rarely a cold while

travelling more, running a floundering company, and with 2 kids 3 and

under.

1. Accupuncture and herbs from a GOOD accupuncturist

2. 15 minutes of Tai Chi each morning

3. Yoga at least once a week- I swear it stretches and squishes the

liver,

pushing the bile through. Aubrey- I can't wait for your comments on

this.

4. Diet- reduced caffeine: 2 cups of tea in my case, no alcohol,

reduced fat,

fish instead of meat where possible, and yes, an apple every day.

Chinese

medicine believes the mild acid in apples helps thin down bile.

5. Excercise- hopefully some form every day.

Dirk, dx 1984, Oakland CA

" vizas " wrote:

original article:/group//?start=7364

> How and what can one do to bolster your immune system?

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/1999 10:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

aubcar@... writes:

<< udy: PSC is a disease of the bile ducts; they get narrowed and cause

back up of bile in the liver (and therefore throughout the body) leading

to destruction of the liver. It is most common in men over 40; about 30%

have UC and a smaller percentage have other autoimmune diseases. PBC is

a similar disease of the bile ducts but with a different type of lesion. >>

Aubrey:

Thanks so much for your explanation. I printed it out and will keep it

handy. I have had some confusion as to the difference, but now it is clear

to me. Thanks again.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Dirk: Exercise is great for you and everyone. All the other things you

mentioned are good ideas as well. If you've ever seen a liver, human or

otherwise (perhaps, if you've bought one to cook) you'll have noticed

that it has a tough outer layer called the capsule. This is what the

doctors go throught with a needle to do a biopsy. It really prevents the

liver from being stretched or compacted or massaged by any reasonable

movements you could voluntarily do. In addition, your liver, when

normal is size, " hides " behind your lower ribs. In a motor vehicle

accident, for example, you might be able to compress it between you and

say the steering wheel. Not the kind of thing you want to happen on a

regular basis to help push out bile!

Judy: PSC is a disease of the bile ducts; they get narrowed and cause

back up of bile in the liver (and therefore throughout the body) leading

to destruction of the liver. It is most common in men over 40; about 30%

have UC and a smaller percentage have other autoimmune diseases. PBC is

a similar disease of the bile ducts but with a different type of lesion.

It is more common in women between the ages of 30 and 50. It is seen

with other autoimmune diseases and tends to follow a slightly less

dramatic course than PSC. The diagnosis of both tends to be difficult

and depends on the results of blood tests, ERCP and liver biopsy. PBC

patients tend (90 to 95%) have a positive antimitochondrial antibody

test. This is usuually negative in PSC.

Ursofalk/Actigall: the contents of the tablets/capsules are in fact the

same chemical. Because of the way they are manufactured they may have

slightly different affects as they progress through your intestines.

None of this drug is absorbed.

AIH: This is Autoimmune Hepatitis and is diagnosed by blood tests and

biopsies that show an over active immune system; positive antibodies,

liver tissue distruction. An ERCP in this condition shows normal bile

ducts. Corticosteroids seem to help this disease by reducing the

inflammation. In PSC prednisone and other immunosuppressants have not

been shown to decrease the inflammation but we have no idea why this is

the case.

SAM-e: I've just received the following info about this product. This

chemical was first tested as a treatment for schizophrenia, it proved

ineffective. Some clinical trials in the 1970s in Italy, Germany and

other European countries suggested that it might be an effective

treatment for depression. Some research has shown that it might provide

relief for arthritis pain, perhaps joint repair. However, these studies

were small and brief. The problem with this product is threefold: first

of all, the possible benefits and risks of SAM-e remain unclear. In

Europe it is sold as a prescription drug for arthritis, depression and

liver disease. At least that means a doctor is overseeing the treatment.

Here (the US), where SAM-e can be bought as easily as a

multivitamin,people can simply dose themselves- which may be unwise when

so much remains to be discovered.

Secondly, its promoters, particularly Brown, the author of Stop

Depression Now, say SAM-e has no side effects, but anything that works

like a drug has side effects of some kind, and may interact with

medications or foods.

But the most important potential problem: SAM is converted to

homocysteine in the body. High levels of homocyteine may raise the risk

of heart disease. SAM-e is likely to promote higher levels, though no

one knows how high.

Marketors of SAM-e genrally say a " dose " is 400 mg daily, but there is

no way to find a standardized dose in the current market. In addition,

raw SAM-e is said to degrade quickly unless stored at proper

temperatures, and you have no guarantee that the pills you buy have been

properly handled. If you decide to take it, make certain that your

diet is rich in fruits and vegetables, and take a multivitamin. A high

intake of three B vitamins (folic acid, B6, and B12) can lower

homocysteine levels, in case SAM-e raises them. (Source University of

California Wellness Letter)

Ginkgo Biloba: Many people take this supplement/herbal in hope of

improving their memory. Recent studies have shown that ginkgo has

anti-clotting effects that can cause your gums to bleed, particularly if

you take aspirin. In patients with PSC and other liver diseases, taking

this herbal may not be smart as we already have clotting problems due

to our liver's increasing inability of make clotting factors. (Source:

as above).

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Dirk: Exercise is great for you and everyone. All the other things you

mentioned are good ideas as well. If you've ever seen a liver, human or

otherwise (perhaps, if you've bought one to cook) you'll have noticed

that it has a tough outer layer called the capsule. This is what the

doctors go throught with a needle to do a biopsy. It really prevents the

liver from being stretched or compacted or massaged by any reasonable

movements you could voluntarily do. In addition, your liver, when

normal is size, " hides " behind your lower ribs. In a motor vehicle

accident, for example, you might be able to compress it between you and

say the steering wheel. Not the kind of thing you want to happen on a

regular basis to help push out bile!

Judy: PSC is a disease of the bile ducts; they get narrowed and cause

back up of bile in the liver (and therefore throughout the body) leading

to destruction of the liver. It is most common in men over 40; about 30%

have UC and a smaller percentage have other autoimmune diseases. PBC is

a similar disease of the bile ducts but with a different type of lesion.

It is more common in women between the ages of 30 and 50. It is seen

with other autoimmune diseases and tends to follow a slightly less

dramatic course than PSC. The diagnosis of both tends to be difficult

and depends on the results of blood tests, ERCP and liver biopsy. PBC

patients tend (90 to 95%) have a positive antimitochondrial antibody

test. This is usuually negative in PSC.

Ursofalk/Actigall: the contents of the tablets/capsules are in fact the

same chemical. Because of the way they are manufactured they may have

slightly different affects as they progress through your intestines.

None of this drug is absorbed.

AIH: This is Autoimmune Hepatitis and is diagnosed by blood tests and

biopsies that show an over active immune system; positive antibodies,

liver tissue distruction. An ERCP in this condition shows normal bile

ducts. Corticosteroids seem to help this disease by reducing the

inflammation. In PSC prednisone and other immunosuppressants have not

been shown to decrease the inflammation but we have no idea why this is

the case.

SAM-e: I've just received the following info about this product. This

chemical was first tested as a treatment for schizophrenia, it proved

ineffective. Some clinical trials in the 1970s in Italy, Germany and

other European countries suggested that it might be an effective

treatment for depression. Some research has shown that it might provide

relief for arthritis pain, perhaps joint repair. However, these studies

were small and brief. The problem with this product is threefold: first

of all, the possible benefits and risks of SAM-e remain unclear. In

Europe it is sold as a prescription drug for arthritis, depression and

liver disease. At least that means a doctor is overseeing the treatment.

Here (the US), where SAM-e can be bought as easily as a

multivitamin,people can simply dose themselves- which may be unwise when

so much remains to be discovered.

Secondly, its promoters, particularly Brown, the author of Stop

Depression Now, say SAM-e has no side effects, but anything that works

like a drug has side effects of some kind, and may interact with

medications or foods.

But the most important potential problem: SAM is converted to

homocysteine in the body. High levels of homocyteine may raise the risk

of heart disease. SAM-e is likely to promote higher levels, though no

one knows how high.

Marketors of SAM-e genrally say a " dose " is 400 mg daily, but there is

no way to find a standardized dose in the current market. In addition,

raw SAM-e is said to degrade quickly unless stored at proper

temperatures, and you have no guarantee that the pills you buy have been

properly handled. If you decide to take it, make certain that your

diet is rich in fruits and vegetables, and take a multivitamin. A high

intake of three B vitamins (folic acid, B6, and B12) can lower

homocysteine levels, in case SAM-e raises them. (Source University of

California Wellness Letter)

Ginkgo Biloba: Many people take this supplement/herbal in hope of

improving their memory. Recent studies have shown that ginkgo has

anti-clotting effects that can cause your gums to bleed, particularly if

you take aspirin. In patients with PSC and other liver diseases, taking

this herbal may not be smart as we already have clotting problems due

to our liver's increasing inability of make clotting factors. (Source:

as above).

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Do we really know what an auto-immune disease is, or how to treat it?

It seems to me that medicine is characterizing a lot of mysterious

diseases this way, from HIV to Multiple Schelosis to PSC. Are they

similar, are treatments similar, do we even know 10% of what there is

to know about any of them- probably not. Aubrey was careful to say

that PSC being an auto-immune disease is a medical theory at this

point. So, even with all that our doctors do know, we are dealing with

the unknown here and we are the pioneers. Each of us needs to educate

ourselves, think critically, and make our own choices. Noone can tell

us the best treatments for us as individuals for we all respond

slightly differently.

Personally, I think working to increase the bodies' immune system,

taking sufficient doses of Urso/actigall, and reducing stress are good

for my PSC. I wrote how I deal with that the other day. I believe

these are working for me, just as faith are working for others.

The important message I want to broadcast is that we can be pro-active

in our disease, and not solely re-active or victems. Pro-active is

reading, changing our life styles, belonging to this group, grilling

our doctors with questions and sharing what we find with this group.

But still I have no hard, cold, medically proven facts to hang my

treatment on, no one does. I am just trying to hedge my bets the best

way I can. I also makes me feel I am fighting this disease along with

all the rest of you.

P.S. Aubrey, as a well informed MD, and having had a transplant you

know a lot about this disease. I also greatly appreciate your

information and thoughts to the group, and I respect your medical

opinion. I am not critisizing modern medicine, only saying there are a

lot of unknows, and that I don't want to sit on my thumbs until those

unknowns are figured out. I want to be a partner with my

doctor/accupuncturist/yoga teacher in figuring out the best treatment

for me. I hope you read and respond as a PSC patient, not a doctor.

" vizas " wrote:

original article:/group//?start=7406

> Hi Dirk

>

> Mike's shrink wants him to start Yoga and I've wanted him to try

> acupuncture. I don't know if he'll go for the latter. BUT he is

seriously

> thinking about having a sample of his hair taken and tested for

deficiency

> in

> his system. Apparently my daughters boss has a liver problem and has

had

> this done and followed the given advice and so far her blood work has

> greatly improved.

>

> Also Larry had input about the immune system which I thought was very

> helpful then Aubrey voiced his opinion..now I'm questioning just about

> everything. When I originally asked the doctors about herbs, vitamins

and

> diet, all they said was: 1. eat a well balanced meal with less fat

and red

> meat 2. yes people do take herbs but their effects are questionable

3. and

> you could take a good multi vitamin , but through routine testing

they'll

> know whether you'll need supplements.

>

> Now there are studies that say Vitamin C helps prevent Cancer...so

what is a

> person to do?????????

>

> Larry: how are you feeling having taken all your supplements as

opposed to

> having not taken them.

>

> Also I thought the jury was out on whether this disease was {{{{{{{

auto

> immune or not.}}}}}}} ?

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Aubrey (and everyone else),

I consulted a complementary medicine-oriented doctor recently who suggested I

look into a desensitization therapy approach -- which would be aimed at

lessening one's immune system's attack on the bile ducts. Have you heard

anything about this? Do you have any idea regarding where to turn for

information? My rough understanding is that this approach is being tried in

rheumatoid arthritis and/or multiple sclerosis patients. Erwin

[Guest guest]

Michele,

I agree with you 100%.......Mike (and I) feel that modern medicine

is doing nothing, they have found Urso and although I've been looking and

looking, I see nothing else on the horizon for PSC. I see lots of

advancements in hepatitis though. We are looking into 'healing touch'

right now, which I was surprised to see is actually recognized by the Canadian

Medical Society. It will take a LONG time for the total acceptance

of alternative methods. Of course pharmeceutical companies don't

want us to be able to help ourselves, and never in my life was I as shocked

at the pessimistic, close minded attitudes of the medical doctors as when

my dad was diagnosed with lung cancer. They just wouldn't hear of

anything alternative, the man was dying, had 'no hope' as they put it,

but yet, didn't feel that he should have false hope or waste his money....HELLO!!!!

The power of the mind, faith and hope are often what has gotten people

through things they never should have, there are many miracle stories and

I can't believe that people are willing to just accept that this is all

there is, when there are documented proven cases of people getting better,

with all kinds of diseases.....I often think of the story of a man who

had stomach cancer, the Dr. had to deliver the news, the man who chose

not to have the total gastrectomy and certain death said that he couldn't

have the surgery right now as he had a garden to tend. A couple of

years passed and the Dr. not hearing from him assumed he had met his demise....well,

in walks the patient...to ask, if with this condition, could he eat anything

he wanted???????? Tests then revealed no sign of cancer.

We, at this point, do not accept that Urso and transplant are the only

things to stop or cure this disease.....comments have been made that NOTHING

will slow down the progression of this disease, an attitude of defeat and

hopelessness I think, and it angers me. We have people right on this

forum that have explored alternatives (safe ones), have altered their diets,

have turned to measures that give them hope and peace and they have seen

the progression slowed or stopped. I applaud them for their courage

to think outside the realm of modern medicine and it's limited options

and I encourage Mike every day to fight and we will keep looking.

We have also agreed in our house to have a 'liver free' day once a

week. It seems that we have been so consumed by this disease, watching

diets, watching urine and stool, skin colour etc, that we talk of nothing

but that....so yesterday was our first 'liver free' day and it was great.

Have a great day and keep thinking positive. I have learned so

much here and as we learn and keep sharing we will all benefit.

Patti

MishBruno@... wrote:

I believe 100% with Dirk. I tsee a homeopath

and practice relaxation,

massage therapy and participate in herbal therapy. My philosophy

is that

mentally and I feel physically it helps me to feel better. Why

I respect my

allopathic MDs and follow their advice. I do know my body better

than them

sometimes. I always attend appointments educated and verbal.

If they

suggest an invasive procedure, I require them to present me a

valid case.

Sometimes I think they see me as a lawyer and not an audiologist.

What

everyone needs to realize is that modern medicine is not providing

us with

any hope other than transplant right now so why not open your minds

to

alternative remedies???????????????????

Michele

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Mine puts heat on me first. I hate to use ice but I did find with my elbow

(tennis without the tennis) the ice does work better. I've never tried ice

except

mineral ice and that feels good.

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Mine puts heat on me first. I hate to use ice but I did find with my elbow

(tennis without the tennis) the ice does work better. I've never tried ice

except

mineral ice and that feels good.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dwight. I take the same med (5-ASA) for my UC. What I've learned

over the past few years about my diseases has come with a lot of trial

and error and a lot of frustration. I hear similar feelings of

exasperation in the messages posted by others.

Interestingly, I too was exposed to a lot of chemicals over the years

prior to my liver problems beginning. I did a Masters in Biochemistry

before becoming a physician. During my undergraduate years I worked in a

lab doing Analytical chemistry and during my Masters I worked in a

hospital lab. In all of those situations I was exposed, despite

precautions, to some fumes and of course some skin contact. Because most

of the information regarding chemical exposure is neccessarily

retrospective (by its very nature, looking back on the past) it is

difficult to nail this down in a way that most science people would be

satisfied labeling the exposure as the cause of our illness. The reason

for this is the vast majority of chemical exposures not causing PSC.

Perhaps it requires a certain sensitivity or a certain genetic

predisposition or something we haven't considered as yet. Hopefully

whatever it is will eventually be found so that it can be prevented.

Aubrey

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" It would be interesting to find out what all of us in the group did for a

living prior to the dx. One of the Dr.s that I saw though it may have been

caused by the chemicals I was exposed to. I was in the electronics industry

and we worked with a lot of solvents and epoxies. Another Dr. said it was

probably caused by the azulfadine I was on for the UC. Who Knows? Since I

was dx (1991) and switched to Dipentum for the UC and Actigall I have been

stable. Dwight "

Dwight,

What is Dipentum and how does it compare to Azulfidine?

Rosie

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" It would be interesting to find out what all of us in the group did for a

living prior to the dx. One of the Dr.s that I saw though it may have been

caused by the chemicals I was exposed to. I was in the electronics industry

and we worked with a lot of solvents and epoxies. Another Dr. said it was

probably caused by the azulfadine I was on for the UC. Who Knows? Since I

was dx (1991) and switched to Dipentum for the UC and Actigall I have been

stable. Dwight "

Dwight,

What is Dipentum and how does it compare to Azulfidine?

Rosie

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" It would be interesting to find out what all of us in the group did for a

living prior to the dx. One of the Dr.s that I saw though it may have been

caused by the chemicals I was exposed to. I was in the electronics industry

and we worked with a lot of solvents and epoxies. Another Dr. said it was

probably caused by the azulfadine I was on for the UC. Who Knows? Since I

was dx (1991) and switched to Dipentum for the UC and Actigall I have been

stable. Dwight "

Dwight,

What is Dipentum and how does it compare to Azulfidine?

Rosie

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