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Hi ,

I can certainly see why this is all so confusing to you. Start with a very

simple base and then experiment with adding other ingredients. I don't use any

emulsifiers in my lotions or body butters. I feel this is a very feasable thing

to do however, I also keep an eye on temperatures to be certain everyone, I tend

to anthropomorphize my ingredients, in the mix is playing nicely with eachother.

Try this for a start ...

Group 1

6 oz carrier oil of choice (sweet almond is a nice cheap oil to start with

incase it doesn't come out as you like.)

2.5 oz another carrier oil of choice (coconut oil maybe)

1 tsp of another carrier oil of choice (shea butter)

1/2 tsp. of beeswax

Group 2

2/3 cup distilled water

1/3 cup aloe vera gel

perservative of choice (if desired, when it's all for personal use I just keep

it in the fridge since I go through it quickly.)

Place group 1 ingredients in pan and gently heat till any butters and wax you

have used melts. Then remove from heat and allow to cool enough to come to a

custard like constancy. You'll know it will look like custard. Stir

occasionally during cooling this way you avoid any lumps from forming.

Combine Group 2 ingredients in pourable cup or bowl.

Pour cooled, but still warm, group 1 into a stainless steel bowl. Take group 2

and gently head in microwave so it's about the same temp as group 1. Using a

hand mixer on medium to high speed, slowly but steadily incorporate group 2 into

group 1. When done you should have a lovely lotion.

For a body butter consistancy simple use 1 oz of beeswax instead of 1/2 oz.

Should you try this let me know how it comes out.

Bill

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Hi ,

I can certainly see why this is all so confusing to you. Start with a very

simple base and then experiment with adding other ingredients. I don't use any

emulsifiers in my lotions or body butters. I feel this is a very feasable thing

to do however, I also keep an eye on temperatures to be certain everyone, I tend

to anthropomorphize my ingredients, in the mix is playing nicely with eachother.

Try this for a start ...

Group 1

6 oz carrier oil of choice (sweet almond is a nice cheap oil to start with

incase it doesn't come out as you like.)

2.5 oz another carrier oil of choice (coconut oil maybe)

1 tsp of another carrier oil of choice (shea butter)

1/2 tsp. of beeswax

Group 2

2/3 cup distilled water

1/3 cup aloe vera gel

perservative of choice (if desired, when it's all for personal use I just keep

it in the fridge since I go through it quickly.)

Place group 1 ingredients in pan and gently heat till any butters and wax you

have used melts. Then remove from heat and allow to cool enough to come to a

custard like constancy. You'll know it will look like custard. Stir

occasionally during cooling this way you avoid any lumps from forming.

Combine Group 2 ingredients in pourable cup or bowl.

Pour cooled, but still warm, group 1 into a stainless steel bowl. Take group 2

and gently head in microwave so it's about the same temp as group 1. Using a

hand mixer on medium to high speed, slowly but steadily incorporate group 2 into

group 1. When done you should have a lovely lotion.

For a body butter consistancy simple use 1 oz of beeswax instead of 1/2 oz.

Should you try this let me know how it comes out.

Bill

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I can try this. I have all the ingredients. I have the ingredients

that I wan't in my lotion but just don't know how much of each

should be used.

What I have and want to use is:

Aloe Vera Juice

Distilled Water

Glycerin

Shea Butter

Mango Butter

Jojoba Oil

Sweet Almond Oil/Sunflower Oil/Grapeseed Oil

Silk Amino Acids

Green Tea Extract from Carrubba (Don't know how good it really is

but they provided a MSDS and a lot of data with it along with a very

high price)

Vit E T-50

Steraric Acid (Don't know if I really need this)

Germaben II and LiquaPar Optima

> Hi ,

>

> I can certainly see why this is all so confusing to you.

Start with a very simple base and then experiment with adding other

ingredients. I don't use any emulsifiers in my lotions or body

butters. I feel this is a very feasable thing to do however, I also

keep an eye on temperatures to be certain everyone, I tend to

anthropomorphize my ingredients, in the mix is playing nicely with

eachother. Try this for a start ...

>

> Group 1

> 6 oz carrier oil of choice (sweet almond is a nice cheap oil to

start with incase it doesn't come out as you like.)

> 2.5 oz another carrier oil of choice (coconut oil maybe)

> 1 tsp of another carrier oil of choice (shea butter)

> 1/2 tsp. of beeswax

>

> Group 2

> 2/3 cup distilled water

> 1/3 cup aloe vera gel

> perservative of choice (if desired, when it's all for personal use

I just keep it in the fridge since I go through it quickly.)

>

>

> Place group 1 ingredients in pan and gently heat till any butters

and wax you have used melts. Then remove from heat and allow to

cool enough to come to a custard like constancy. You'll know it

will look like custard. Stir occasionally during cooling this way

you avoid any lumps from forming.

>

> Combine Group 2 ingredients in pourable cup or bowl.

>

> Pour cooled, but still warm, group 1 into a stainless steel bowl.

Take group 2 and gently head in microwave so it's about the same

temp as group 1. Using a hand mixer on medium to high speed, slowly

but steadily incorporate group 2 into group 1. When done you should

have a lovely lotion.

>

> For a body butter consistancy simple use 1 oz of beeswax instead

of 1/2 oz.

>

> Should you try this let me know how it comes out.

>

> Bill

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I am certainly no expert on lotion making but here is how I look at it.

You really need only a few ingredients to get you started on a basic bare

bones formula that will be " lotion " .

1. distilled water

2. Oil (good choices are olive, sunflower, soy, almond, grapeseed etc)

3. Emulsifying wax NF

4. Preservative (such as Germaben II or Germal plus liquid - there are many

to choose from..)

For a simple starting formula you could use the following:

Part One.

12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand)

4% emulsifying wax NF

Part Two

82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal 100%)

Part three

1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for)

1% Essential oil or fragrance

Heat Part One together to about 170F . Heat Part Two to about 170F and keep

at that temp for 15 to 20 minutes (this kills any beasties and gives your

preservative and better chance of being successful over time). Slowly add

part Two to Part One stirring. Stir til cool (100f or so) then add

preservative and eo or fo and mix well.

You can change this around by adding different oils or butter...increasing

the amount of oils and butters to achieve a heavier lotion...or decreasing

to get a lighter lotion. If you add about 3% stearic acid and increase the

oils and butters you can make cream. You can add aloe juice as part of your

water, but be really sure to diligently heat and hold to be sure you don't

have a problem with bacteria.

To figure percentages..decide the size of batch you want to make. Maybe

start with 8 oz (I'm assuming your American?) so each percentage will be

worked out for 8 oz

so

8 = 100%

12% of 8 = .96 oz

4% of 8 = .32oz

82% of 8 = 6.56 oz

1% of 8 = .08 oz

1% of 8 = .08 oz

totals 8oz

Hope that helps

Sutton

Get Real Soap Co.

>

> I orginally wanted to make my own lotion so I could have the

> ingredients that I want in it. I would like to have an aloe based

> lotion instead of a water based lotion. I know it has to be

> possible since there are quite a few out there. I have the list of

> ingredients that I want in the lotion but how do you come up with

> the precentages of how much of each ingredient to be able to make

> the 100% calculation? I've seen numerous recipes that say " X% oil, %

> % emulsifyer X% water. How do I start taking my list of ingredients

> and convert it to the correct amounts.

>

>

>

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I really appreciated 's and Bill's basic starter formulas ... and, since

's seems like the lighter lotion, I'll refer to hers. It seems for what

I'm planning, I've been way off on a few percentages and have a few

questions.

I'm assuming these basic-lotion percentages you gave are for a pumpable

lotion that you rub in, but light enough to rub in fairly quickly ...

12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand)

4% emulsifying wax NF

82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal 100%)

1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for)

1% Essential oil or fragrance

To replace all the water with aloe, that should change the pH and amount of

preservative required (even with careful heating / holding at temperature) ...

also, to achieve a light emulsified mist-like or sprayable moisturizer, I'm

assuming the oils and Emulsifying wax NF are much less (which is where I've been

way off) ... in fact, somewhere I'm sure I wrote down that Polysorbate 80

would work better in this type of product?

In what ranges should I keep those oils?

Also, which preservative and emulsifier would you use and at how much?

Thanks so much ...

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I'm not wanting to make a light sprayable lotion, I want a thick

squeezable lotion. If I add say 65% aloe for the water then what

exactly is that going to do the the pH? Polysorbate 80 works better

in a spray lotion or a lotion with this much aloe? I was under the

understanding the Emulsifying wax NF was a good all round emulsifier

for pretty much any lotion. I was also under the impression that

Germaben II was good for preserving Aloe Juice.

I'm throwing this out there to you all, would this work or am I

totally out to lunch?

4% Almond Oil

2% Sunflower Oil or Grapeseed Oil

3% Jojoba Oil

3% Shea Butter

3% Mango Butter

5% emulsifying wax NF

50% Aloe Juice

23% Distilled Water

3% Silk Amino Acids

1% Green Tea Extract

2% Germaben II (extra because of the amount of aloe juice?)

1% Fragrance Oil

100%

I want a nice smooth silky feeling lotion that soaks in quickly and

does not leave a greasy, sticky feeling.

> I really appreciated 's and Bill's basic starter formulas ...

and, since

> 's seems like the lighter lotion, I'll refer to hers. It

seems for what

> I'm planning, I've been way off on a few percentages and have a

few

> questions.

>

> I'm assuming these basic-lotion percentages you gave are for a

pumpable

> lotion that you rub in, but light enough to rub in fairly

quickly ...

>

> 12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand)

> 4% emulsifying wax NF

> 82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal

100%)

> 1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for)

> 1% Essential oil or fragrance

>

> To replace all the water with aloe, that should change the pH and

amount of

> preservative required (even with careful heating / holding at

temperature) ...

> also, to achieve a light emulsified mist-like or sprayable

moisturizer, I'm

> assuming the oils and Emulsifying wax NF are much less (which is

where I've been

> way off) ... in fact, somewhere I'm sure I wrote down that

Polysorbate 80

> would work better in this type of product?

>

> In what ranges should I keep those oils?

> Also, which preservative and emulsifier would you use and at how

much?

>

> Thanks so much ...

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I'm not wanting to make a light sprayable lotion, I want a thick

squeezable lotion. If I add say 65% aloe for the water then what

exactly is that going to do the the pH? Polysorbate 80 works better

in a spray lotion or a lotion with this much aloe? I was under the

understanding the Emulsifying wax NF was a good all round emulsifier

for pretty much any lotion. I was also under the impression that

Germaben II was good for preserving Aloe Juice.

I'm throwing this out there to you all, would this work or am I

totally out to lunch?

4% Almond Oil

2% Sunflower Oil or Grapeseed Oil

3% Jojoba Oil

3% Shea Butter

3% Mango Butter

5% emulsifying wax NF

50% Aloe Juice

23% Distilled Water

3% Silk Amino Acids

1% Green Tea Extract

2% Germaben II (extra because of the amount of aloe juice?)

1% Fragrance Oil

100%

I want a nice smooth silky feeling lotion that soaks in quickly and

does not leave a greasy, sticky feeling.

> I really appreciated 's and Bill's basic starter formulas ...

and, since

> 's seems like the lighter lotion, I'll refer to hers. It

seems for what

> I'm planning, I've been way off on a few percentages and have a

few

> questions.

>

> I'm assuming these basic-lotion percentages you gave are for a

pumpable

> lotion that you rub in, but light enough to rub in fairly

quickly ...

>

> 12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand)

> 4% emulsifying wax NF

> 82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal

100%)

> 1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for)

> 1% Essential oil or fragrance

>

> To replace all the water with aloe, that should change the pH and

amount of

> preservative required (even with careful heating / holding at

temperature) ...

> also, to achieve a light emulsified mist-like or sprayable

moisturizer, I'm

> assuming the oils and Emulsifying wax NF are much less (which is

where I've been

> way off) ... in fact, somewhere I'm sure I wrote down that

Polysorbate 80

> would work better in this type of product?

>

> In what ranges should I keep those oils?

> Also, which preservative and emulsifier would you use and at how

much?

>

> Thanks so much ...

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

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