Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Hi , I can certainly see why this is all so confusing to you. Start with a very simple base and then experiment with adding other ingredients. I don't use any emulsifiers in my lotions or body butters. I feel this is a very feasable thing to do however, I also keep an eye on temperatures to be certain everyone, I tend to anthropomorphize my ingredients, in the mix is playing nicely with eachother. Try this for a start ... Group 1 6 oz carrier oil of choice (sweet almond is a nice cheap oil to start with incase it doesn't come out as you like.) 2.5 oz another carrier oil of choice (coconut oil maybe) 1 tsp of another carrier oil of choice (shea butter) 1/2 tsp. of beeswax Group 2 2/3 cup distilled water 1/3 cup aloe vera gel perservative of choice (if desired, when it's all for personal use I just keep it in the fridge since I go through it quickly.) Place group 1 ingredients in pan and gently heat till any butters and wax you have used melts. Then remove from heat and allow to cool enough to come to a custard like constancy. You'll know it will look like custard. Stir occasionally during cooling this way you avoid any lumps from forming. Combine Group 2 ingredients in pourable cup or bowl. Pour cooled, but still warm, group 1 into a stainless steel bowl. Take group 2 and gently head in microwave so it's about the same temp as group 1. Using a hand mixer on medium to high speed, slowly but steadily incorporate group 2 into group 1. When done you should have a lovely lotion. For a body butter consistancy simple use 1 oz of beeswax instead of 1/2 oz. Should you try this let me know how it comes out. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Hi , I can certainly see why this is all so confusing to you. Start with a very simple base and then experiment with adding other ingredients. I don't use any emulsifiers in my lotions or body butters. I feel this is a very feasable thing to do however, I also keep an eye on temperatures to be certain everyone, I tend to anthropomorphize my ingredients, in the mix is playing nicely with eachother. Try this for a start ... Group 1 6 oz carrier oil of choice (sweet almond is a nice cheap oil to start with incase it doesn't come out as you like.) 2.5 oz another carrier oil of choice (coconut oil maybe) 1 tsp of another carrier oil of choice (shea butter) 1/2 tsp. of beeswax Group 2 2/3 cup distilled water 1/3 cup aloe vera gel perservative of choice (if desired, when it's all for personal use I just keep it in the fridge since I go through it quickly.) Place group 1 ingredients in pan and gently heat till any butters and wax you have used melts. Then remove from heat and allow to cool enough to come to a custard like constancy. You'll know it will look like custard. Stir occasionally during cooling this way you avoid any lumps from forming. Combine Group 2 ingredients in pourable cup or bowl. Pour cooled, but still warm, group 1 into a stainless steel bowl. Take group 2 and gently head in microwave so it's about the same temp as group 1. Using a hand mixer on medium to high speed, slowly but steadily incorporate group 2 into group 1. When done you should have a lovely lotion. For a body butter consistancy simple use 1 oz of beeswax instead of 1/2 oz. Should you try this let me know how it comes out. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I can try this. I have all the ingredients. I have the ingredients that I wan't in my lotion but just don't know how much of each should be used. What I have and want to use is: Aloe Vera Juice Distilled Water Glycerin Shea Butter Mango Butter Jojoba Oil Sweet Almond Oil/Sunflower Oil/Grapeseed Oil Silk Amino Acids Green Tea Extract from Carrubba (Don't know how good it really is but they provided a MSDS and a lot of data with it along with a very high price) Vit E T-50 Steraric Acid (Don't know if I really need this) Germaben II and LiquaPar Optima > Hi , > > I can certainly see why this is all so confusing to you. Start with a very simple base and then experiment with adding other ingredients. I don't use any emulsifiers in my lotions or body butters. I feel this is a very feasable thing to do however, I also keep an eye on temperatures to be certain everyone, I tend to anthropomorphize my ingredients, in the mix is playing nicely with eachother. Try this for a start ... > > Group 1 > 6 oz carrier oil of choice (sweet almond is a nice cheap oil to start with incase it doesn't come out as you like.) > 2.5 oz another carrier oil of choice (coconut oil maybe) > 1 tsp of another carrier oil of choice (shea butter) > 1/2 tsp. of beeswax > > Group 2 > 2/3 cup distilled water > 1/3 cup aloe vera gel > perservative of choice (if desired, when it's all for personal use I just keep it in the fridge since I go through it quickly.) > > > Place group 1 ingredients in pan and gently heat till any butters and wax you have used melts. Then remove from heat and allow to cool enough to come to a custard like constancy. You'll know it will look like custard. Stir occasionally during cooling this way you avoid any lumps from forming. > > Combine Group 2 ingredients in pourable cup or bowl. > > Pour cooled, but still warm, group 1 into a stainless steel bowl. Take group 2 and gently head in microwave so it's about the same temp as group 1. Using a hand mixer on medium to high speed, slowly but steadily incorporate group 2 into group 1. When done you should have a lovely lotion. > > For a body butter consistancy simple use 1 oz of beeswax instead of 1/2 oz. > > Should you try this let me know how it comes out. > > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I am certainly no expert on lotion making but here is how I look at it. You really need only a few ingredients to get you started on a basic bare bones formula that will be " lotion " . 1. distilled water 2. Oil (good choices are olive, sunflower, soy, almond, grapeseed etc) 3. Emulsifying wax NF 4. Preservative (such as Germaben II or Germal plus liquid - there are many to choose from..) For a simple starting formula you could use the following: Part One. 12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand) 4% emulsifying wax NF Part Two 82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal 100%) Part three 1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for) 1% Essential oil or fragrance Heat Part One together to about 170F . Heat Part Two to about 170F and keep at that temp for 15 to 20 minutes (this kills any beasties and gives your preservative and better chance of being successful over time). Slowly add part Two to Part One stirring. Stir til cool (100f or so) then add preservative and eo or fo and mix well. You can change this around by adding different oils or butter...increasing the amount of oils and butters to achieve a heavier lotion...or decreasing to get a lighter lotion. If you add about 3% stearic acid and increase the oils and butters you can make cream. You can add aloe juice as part of your water, but be really sure to diligently heat and hold to be sure you don't have a problem with bacteria. To figure percentages..decide the size of batch you want to make. Maybe start with 8 oz (I'm assuming your American?) so each percentage will be worked out for 8 oz so 8 = 100% 12% of 8 = .96 oz 4% of 8 = .32oz 82% of 8 = 6.56 oz 1% of 8 = .08 oz 1% of 8 = .08 oz totals 8oz Hope that helps Sutton Get Real Soap Co. > > I orginally wanted to make my own lotion so I could have the > ingredients that I want in it. I would like to have an aloe based > lotion instead of a water based lotion. I know it has to be > possible since there are quite a few out there. I have the list of > ingredients that I want in the lotion but how do you come up with > the precentages of how much of each ingredient to be able to make > the 100% calculation? I've seen numerous recipes that say " X% oil, % > % emulsifyer X% water. How do I start taking my list of ingredients > and convert it to the correct amounts. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release Date: 12/31/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I really appreciated 's and Bill's basic starter formulas ... and, since 's seems like the lighter lotion, I'll refer to hers. It seems for what I'm planning, I've been way off on a few percentages and have a few questions. I'm assuming these basic-lotion percentages you gave are for a pumpable lotion that you rub in, but light enough to rub in fairly quickly ... 12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand) 4% emulsifying wax NF 82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal 100%) 1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for) 1% Essential oil or fragrance To replace all the water with aloe, that should change the pH and amount of preservative required (even with careful heating / holding at temperature) ... also, to achieve a light emulsified mist-like or sprayable moisturizer, I'm assuming the oils and Emulsifying wax NF are much less (which is where I've been way off) ... in fact, somewhere I'm sure I wrote down that Polysorbate 80 would work better in this type of product? In what ranges should I keep those oils? Also, which preservative and emulsifier would you use and at how much? Thanks so much ... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I'm not wanting to make a light sprayable lotion, I want a thick squeezable lotion. If I add say 65% aloe for the water then what exactly is that going to do the the pH? Polysorbate 80 works better in a spray lotion or a lotion with this much aloe? I was under the understanding the Emulsifying wax NF was a good all round emulsifier for pretty much any lotion. I was also under the impression that Germaben II was good for preserving Aloe Juice. I'm throwing this out there to you all, would this work or am I totally out to lunch? 4% Almond Oil 2% Sunflower Oil or Grapeseed Oil 3% Jojoba Oil 3% Shea Butter 3% Mango Butter 5% emulsifying wax NF 50% Aloe Juice 23% Distilled Water 3% Silk Amino Acids 1% Green Tea Extract 2% Germaben II (extra because of the amount of aloe juice?) 1% Fragrance Oil 100% I want a nice smooth silky feeling lotion that soaks in quickly and does not leave a greasy, sticky feeling. > I really appreciated 's and Bill's basic starter formulas ... and, since > 's seems like the lighter lotion, I'll refer to hers. It seems for what > I'm planning, I've been way off on a few percentages and have a few > questions. > > I'm assuming these basic-lotion percentages you gave are for a pumpable > lotion that you rub in, but light enough to rub in fairly quickly ... > > 12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand) > 4% emulsifying wax NF > 82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal 100%) > 1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for) > 1% Essential oil or fragrance > > To replace all the water with aloe, that should change the pH and amount of > preservative required (even with careful heating / holding at temperature) ... > also, to achieve a light emulsified mist-like or sprayable moisturizer, I'm > assuming the oils and Emulsifying wax NF are much less (which is where I've been > way off) ... in fact, somewhere I'm sure I wrote down that Polysorbate 80 > would work better in this type of product? > > In what ranges should I keep those oils? > Also, which preservative and emulsifier would you use and at how much? > > Thanks so much ... > - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I'm not wanting to make a light sprayable lotion, I want a thick squeezable lotion. If I add say 65% aloe for the water then what exactly is that going to do the the pH? Polysorbate 80 works better in a spray lotion or a lotion with this much aloe? I was under the understanding the Emulsifying wax NF was a good all round emulsifier for pretty much any lotion. I was also under the impression that Germaben II was good for preserving Aloe Juice. I'm throwing this out there to you all, would this work or am I totally out to lunch? 4% Almond Oil 2% Sunflower Oil or Grapeseed Oil 3% Jojoba Oil 3% Shea Butter 3% Mango Butter 5% emulsifying wax NF 50% Aloe Juice 23% Distilled Water 3% Silk Amino Acids 1% Green Tea Extract 2% Germaben II (extra because of the amount of aloe juice?) 1% Fragrance Oil 100% I want a nice smooth silky feeling lotion that soaks in quickly and does not leave a greasy, sticky feeling. > I really appreciated 's and Bill's basic starter formulas ... and, since > 's seems like the lighter lotion, I'll refer to hers. It seems for what > I'm planning, I've been way off on a few percentages and have a few > questions. > > I'm assuming these basic-lotion percentages you gave are for a pumpable > lotion that you rub in, but light enough to rub in fairly quickly ... > > 12% oils ( a combo of your favourites or whats on hand) > 4% emulsifying wax NF > 82% distilled water (or enough when all is said and done to equal 100%) > 1% Preservative (or whatever the manufacturer calls for) > 1% Essential oil or fragrance > > To replace all the water with aloe, that should change the pH and amount of > preservative required (even with careful heating / holding at temperature) ... > also, to achieve a light emulsified mist-like or sprayable moisturizer, I'm > assuming the oils and Emulsifying wax NF are much less (which is where I've been > way off) ... in fact, somewhere I'm sure I wrote down that Polysorbate 80 > would work better in this type of product? > > In what ranges should I keep those oils? > Also, which preservative and emulsifier would you use and at how much? > > Thanks so much ... > - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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