Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 > After researching alternatives, I purchased & created a lip balm with >candelilla wax, apricot kernel oil, cocoa butter, & mowrah butter. It >is a little too oily & I don't know if I should decrease the percent of >liquid oil or solid oil or increase the cocoa butter or wax. I would start increasing by the butters a few percent and reduce the oils by an equivalent amount. If you could provide the formula, I'm sure someone will have some ideas. > I >purchased grapefruit seed extract, rosehip seed oil, & camelina oil but >I don't know the recommended percentages to use for maximum >effectiveness. I am not aware of any real consumer or product benefits that can be derived from grapefruit seed extract. I don't know if there is a " maximum effectiveness level " for rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. And, of course, we would have to define effective for what purpose. But for the sake of discussion, for maximum effectiveness, intuitively, I would say (guess) that 100% will provide maximum effectiveness. Maybe the question is what is the ideal level of rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. In that case, the ideal level would depend on what rosehip seed oil is good for what carmelia oil is good for what else is in your formula and your costs limits. I don't think there is an answer. Unless you want to spend a lot of money doing scientific studies on your formula, in the final analysis, it's a judgement call. >Reading the sun primer, it is clear that that producer recommends zinc >oxide. I need sun protection. I am not ready for seeking FDA >approval. I am trying to come up with a recipe that I can reproduce >with consistent results. I was trying to find out if anyone has had >good results using zinc oxide or if it was easier to integrate titanium >dioxide. How well or easy the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide disperses is a function of the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide that you are using. All zinc oxides or titanium dioxides are not created equal. Many of them are surface treated or dispersed in different carriers. > Again, I am looking for recommended percentage. Have you checked the competative enviroment? Are there any lip balms that are being sold today that contain either Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide? If they are in compliance with OTC regulations, the level of Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide will be listed on the lip balm tube. Search the BASF website for information on Z-Cote HP-1 and Z-Cote. You may get some starting point there. http://www.basf.com/businesses/consumer/cosmeticingredients/database/products.cg\ i You can also search the Uniqema product catalog and formulation guide for ideas http://www.uniqema.com/Uniqema_ProductCatalogue/ProdCat/default.asp?Region=Ameri\ cas At the Uniqema site, you'll see: Solaveil Clarus http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/pc23/index.htm http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/CT100/index.htm Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 > After researching alternatives, I purchased & created a lip balm with >candelilla wax, apricot kernel oil, cocoa butter, & mowrah butter. It >is a little too oily & I don't know if I should decrease the percent of >liquid oil or solid oil or increase the cocoa butter or wax. I would start increasing by the butters a few percent and reduce the oils by an equivalent amount. If you could provide the formula, I'm sure someone will have some ideas. > I >purchased grapefruit seed extract, rosehip seed oil, & camelina oil but >I don't know the recommended percentages to use for maximum >effectiveness. I am not aware of any real consumer or product benefits that can be derived from grapefruit seed extract. I don't know if there is a " maximum effectiveness level " for rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. And, of course, we would have to define effective for what purpose. But for the sake of discussion, for maximum effectiveness, intuitively, I would say (guess) that 100% will provide maximum effectiveness. Maybe the question is what is the ideal level of rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. In that case, the ideal level would depend on what rosehip seed oil is good for what carmelia oil is good for what else is in your formula and your costs limits. I don't think there is an answer. Unless you want to spend a lot of money doing scientific studies on your formula, in the final analysis, it's a judgement call. >Reading the sun primer, it is clear that that producer recommends zinc >oxide. I need sun protection. I am not ready for seeking FDA >approval. I am trying to come up with a recipe that I can reproduce >with consistent results. I was trying to find out if anyone has had >good results using zinc oxide or if it was easier to integrate titanium >dioxide. How well or easy the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide disperses is a function of the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide that you are using. All zinc oxides or titanium dioxides are not created equal. Many of them are surface treated or dispersed in different carriers. > Again, I am looking for recommended percentage. Have you checked the competative enviroment? Are there any lip balms that are being sold today that contain either Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide? If they are in compliance with OTC regulations, the level of Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide will be listed on the lip balm tube. Search the BASF website for information on Z-Cote HP-1 and Z-Cote. You may get some starting point there. http://www.basf.com/businesses/consumer/cosmeticingredients/database/products.cg\ i You can also search the Uniqema product catalog and formulation guide for ideas http://www.uniqema.com/Uniqema_ProductCatalogue/ProdCat/default.asp?Region=Ameri\ cas At the Uniqema site, you'll see: Solaveil Clarus http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/pc23/index.htm http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/CT100/index.htm Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Maurice, You are a wealth of knowledge to the liking of Butch Owen. My upmost respect for your volunteered information that I highly ingest. Thank you. Rhonda Re: Lip Balm Questions > After researching alternatives, I purchased & created a lip balm with >candelilla wax, apricot kernel oil, cocoa butter, & mowrah butter. It >is a little too oily & I don't know if I should decrease the percent of >liquid oil or solid oil or increase the cocoa butter or wax. I would start increasing by the butters a few percent and reduce the oils by an equivalent amount. If you could provide the formula, I'm sure someone will have some ideas. > I >purchased grapefruit seed extract, rosehip seed oil, & camelina oil but >I don't know the recommended percentages to use for maximum >effectiveness. I am not aware of any real consumer or product benefits that can be derived from grapefruit seed extract. I don't know if there is a " maximum effectiveness level " for rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. And, of course, we would have to define effective for what purpose. But for the sake of discussion, for maximum effectiveness, intuitively, I would say (guess) that 100% will provide maximum effectiveness. Maybe the question is what is the ideal level of rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. In that case, the ideal level would depend on what rosehip seed oil is good for what carmelia oil is good for what else is in your formula and your costs limits. I don't think there is an answer. Unless you want to spend a lot of money doing scientific studies on your formula, in the final analysis, it's a judgement call. >Reading the sun primer, it is clear that that producer recommends zinc >oxide. I need sun protection. I am not ready for seeking FDA >approval. I am trying to come up with a recipe that I can reproduce >with consistent results. I was trying to find out if anyone has had >good results using zinc oxide or if it was easier to integrate titanium >dioxide. How well or easy the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide disperses is a function of the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide that you are using. All zinc oxides or titanium dioxides are not created equal. Many of them are surface treated or dispersed in different carriers. > Again, I am looking for recommended percentage. Have you checked the competative enviroment? Are there any lip balms that are being sold today that contain either Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide? If they are in compliance with OTC regulations, the level of Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide will be listed on the lip balm tube. Search the BASF website for information on Z-Cote HP-1 and Z-Cote. You may get some starting point there. http://www.basf.com/businesses/consumer/cosmeticingredients/database/products.cg\ i You can also search the Uniqema product catalog and formulation guide for ideas http://www.uniqema.com/Uniqema_ProductCatalogue/ProdCat/default.asp?Region=Ameri\ cas At the Uniqema site, you'll see: Solaveil Clarus http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/pc23/index.htm http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/CT100/index.htm Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Maurice, You are a wealth of knowledge to the liking of Butch Owen. My upmost respect for your volunteered information that I highly ingest. Thank you. Rhonda Re: Lip Balm Questions > After researching alternatives, I purchased & created a lip balm with >candelilla wax, apricot kernel oil, cocoa butter, & mowrah butter. It >is a little too oily & I don't know if I should decrease the percent of >liquid oil or solid oil or increase the cocoa butter or wax. I would start increasing by the butters a few percent and reduce the oils by an equivalent amount. If you could provide the formula, I'm sure someone will have some ideas. > I >purchased grapefruit seed extract, rosehip seed oil, & camelina oil but >I don't know the recommended percentages to use for maximum >effectiveness. I am not aware of any real consumer or product benefits that can be derived from grapefruit seed extract. I don't know if there is a " maximum effectiveness level " for rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. And, of course, we would have to define effective for what purpose. But for the sake of discussion, for maximum effectiveness, intuitively, I would say (guess) that 100% will provide maximum effectiveness. Maybe the question is what is the ideal level of rosehip seed oil or camelina oil. In that case, the ideal level would depend on what rosehip seed oil is good for what carmelia oil is good for what else is in your formula and your costs limits. I don't think there is an answer. Unless you want to spend a lot of money doing scientific studies on your formula, in the final analysis, it's a judgement call. >Reading the sun primer, it is clear that that producer recommends zinc >oxide. I need sun protection. I am not ready for seeking FDA >approval. I am trying to come up with a recipe that I can reproduce >with consistent results. I was trying to find out if anyone has had >good results using zinc oxide or if it was easier to integrate titanium >dioxide. How well or easy the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide disperses is a function of the zinc oxide or titanium dioxide that you are using. All zinc oxides or titanium dioxides are not created equal. Many of them are surface treated or dispersed in different carriers. > Again, I am looking for recommended percentage. Have you checked the competative enviroment? Are there any lip balms that are being sold today that contain either Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide? If they are in compliance with OTC regulations, the level of Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide will be listed on the lip balm tube. Search the BASF website for information on Z-Cote HP-1 and Z-Cote. You may get some starting point there. http://www.basf.com/businesses/consumer/cosmeticingredients/database/products.cg\ i You can also search the Uniqema product catalog and formulation guide for ideas http://www.uniqema.com/Uniqema_ProductCatalogue/ProdCat/default.asp?Region=Ameri\ cas At the Uniqema site, you'll see: Solaveil Clarus http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/pc23/index.htm http://www.uniqema.com/pc/lit/americas/CT100/index.htm Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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