Re: perfume labelling/declaration of contents

[Guest guest]

Thanks Maurice (again saving the day!)

I wanted to confirm the Alcohol content bit, because the wording in

the catalogue sounded completely opposite of what I have read and

seen in labelling.

This is so frustrating.

Do you think their " formula " is considered a trade secret? I wasn't

clear what or if you can do this.

Beth

eyecon@...

>

> >Okay, I am getting confused a bit. Do I not have to list my

> >ingredients from most to least on my labels or box?

>

> The ingredient list goes on the outermost container.

>

>

> >I found a fragrance base I can use as well as the one I

formulated,

> >the manufacturer says because FO's And EO's will be added to this

> >to make a perfume/fragrance spray, and that it will beused as a

> >perfume the ingredients do not need to be listed.

>

> Total BS

>

> >Every fragrance or perfume spray I have seen with an alcohol

product

> >lists it as SD Alcohol.

>

> The following specially denatured alcohols are approved for

colognes

>

> SD Alcohol 38-B

> SD Alcohol 39

> SD Alcohol 39-A

> SD Alcohol 39-B

> SD Alcohol 39-C

> SD Alcohol 40

> SD Alcohol 40-A

> SD Alcohol 40-B

> SD Alcohol 40-C

>

> for mre information go to:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/message/5213

>

> You should see SD Alcohol 39-C, SD Alcohol 40-B, etc

>

> >So can I just label my product " perfume " or do I do what everyone

> >else is doing and label the SD Alcohol, fragrance and coloring.

>

> It's required by federal regulations.

>

> Here are three links that will provide more details:

>

> FDA Cosmetic Labeling Guide

> http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab3.html

>

> Labeling Basics

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/files/US_Regs/Label

ing.Information.from..Young.txt

>

> and most of the actual labeling regulations can be found here:

>

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm

?CFRPart=701

>

> Maurice

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Maurice O. Hevey

> Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

> http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

> -------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks Maurice (again saving the day!)

I wanted to confirm the Alcohol content bit, because the wording in

the catalogue sounded completely opposite of what I have read and

seen in labelling.

This is so frustrating.

Do you think their " formula " is considered a trade secret? I wasn't

clear what or if you can do this.

Beth

eyecon@...

>

> >Okay, I am getting confused a bit. Do I not have to list my

> >ingredients from most to least on my labels or box?

>

> The ingredient list goes on the outermost container.

>

>

> >I found a fragrance base I can use as well as the one I

formulated,

> >the manufacturer says because FO's And EO's will be added to this

> >to make a perfume/fragrance spray, and that it will beused as a

> >perfume the ingredients do not need to be listed.

>

> Total BS

>

> >Every fragrance or perfume spray I have seen with an alcohol

product

> >lists it as SD Alcohol.

>

> The following specially denatured alcohols are approved for

colognes

>

> SD Alcohol 38-B

> SD Alcohol 39

> SD Alcohol 39-A

> SD Alcohol 39-B

> SD Alcohol 39-C

> SD Alcohol 40

> SD Alcohol 40-A

> SD Alcohol 40-B

> SD Alcohol 40-C

>

> for mre information go to:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/message/5213

>

> You should see SD Alcohol 39-C, SD Alcohol 40-B, etc

>

> >So can I just label my product " perfume " or do I do what everyone

> >else is doing and label the SD Alcohol, fragrance and coloring.

>

> It's required by federal regulations.

>

> Here are three links that will provide more details:

>

> FDA Cosmetic Labeling Guide

> http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab3.html

>

> Labeling Basics

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/files/US_Regs/Label

ing.Information.from..Young.txt

>

> and most of the actual labeling regulations can be found here:

>

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm

?CFRPart=701

>

> Maurice

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Maurice O. Hevey

> Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

> http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

> -------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks Maurice (again saving the day!)

I wanted to confirm the Alcohol content bit, because the wording in

the catalogue sounded completely opposite of what I have read and

seen in labelling.

This is so frustrating.

Do you think their " formula " is considered a trade secret? I wasn't

clear what or if you can do this.

Beth

eyecon@...

>

> >Okay, I am getting confused a bit. Do I not have to list my

> >ingredients from most to least on my labels or box?

>

> The ingredient list goes on the outermost container.

>

>

> >I found a fragrance base I can use as well as the one I

formulated,

> >the manufacturer says because FO's And EO's will be added to this

> >to make a perfume/fragrance spray, and that it will beused as a

> >perfume the ingredients do not need to be listed.

>

> Total BS

>

> >Every fragrance or perfume spray I have seen with an alcohol

product

> >lists it as SD Alcohol.

>

> The following specially denatured alcohols are approved for

colognes

>

> SD Alcohol 38-B

> SD Alcohol 39

> SD Alcohol 39-A

> SD Alcohol 39-B

> SD Alcohol 39-C

> SD Alcohol 40

> SD Alcohol 40-A

> SD Alcohol 40-B

> SD Alcohol 40-C

>

> for mre information go to:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/message/5213

>

> You should see SD Alcohol 39-C, SD Alcohol 40-B, etc

>

> >So can I just label my product " perfume " or do I do what everyone

> >else is doing and label the SD Alcohol, fragrance and coloring.

>

> It's required by federal regulations.

>

> Here are three links that will provide more details:

>

> FDA Cosmetic Labeling Guide

> http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab3.html

>

> Labeling Basics

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/files/US_Regs/Label

ing.Information.from..Young.txt

>

> and most of the actual labeling regulations can be found here:

>

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm

?CFRPart=701

>

> Maurice

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Maurice O. Hevey

> Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

> http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

> -------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I called the company again and told them I need proper labelling info

and an INCI name otherwise I couldn't use the product. Hopefully,

they are just very busy and not trying to deceive me. I just feel

this is another run around.

My opinion is if you are going to sell products for other people to

resell and you can't give out the proper info you shouldn't be

selling them, or at least label them " for personal usage only " .

We will see what happens. Thanks Maurice. So many stumbling blocks.

Beth

eyecon@...

>

> >Do you think their " formula " is considered a trade secret? I

wasn't

> >clear what or if you can do this.

>

> Their formula would not meet the FDA's definition of a Trade

Secret.

>

> I think there are two possibilities:

>

> A) this vendor is not familiar with the regulations.

>

> they are trying to deceive you so they don't have to devulge

the ingredients.

>

> You can't use this base without the INCI names.

>

> Maurice

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Maurice O. Hevey

> Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

> http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

> -------------------------------------------------------