Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi, I made liquid soap to sell. When I add my Champagne fragrance, it seems to mix just fine. Over several days this liquid soap separates. The other liquid soaps with different fragrances only seem to be fine. All my fragrances are oil based. Is this what the problem might be? Can I add to the fragrance some Poly20 or Poly80 so it becomes water soluble? If so, how much? Thanks, Irena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi Irena, you have hit the nail on the head. Liquid soap is water based and fragrance is oil, which we know does not mix. I have used polysorbate 20 very successfully to incorporate fragrance. Add it at a rate of 1/1 and it will incorporate the oil into the water, though you may get a milky solution. To get a clear solution you have to add more polysorbate 20 up to 1 fo to 5 polysorbate 20. Each fragrance/eo is different as to how much they need and it will also depend on how much excess fat you have in your soap. If you are just below 0 you will likely need somewhere about 1/2, but as I said you may need more depending on the scent. Try to keep to as little polysorbate 20 as you can though, as your soap will thin a tiny bit and may become slightly sticky. Less is more. I have not tried polysorbate 80 though I imagine that it would work as well, though I have no idea what percentages to start with. I have a third page on my liquid soapmaking page that talks about this with pictures. http://www.essencesupply.com/liquid/page3.html hth, Pat > Can I add to the fragrance some Poly20 or Poly80 so it becomes water > soluble? If so, how much? > > Thanks, > Irena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi Irena, you have hit the nail on the head. Liquid soap is water based and fragrance is oil, which we know does not mix. I have used polysorbate 20 very successfully to incorporate fragrance. Add it at a rate of 1/1 and it will incorporate the oil into the water, though you may get a milky solution. To get a clear solution you have to add more polysorbate 20 up to 1 fo to 5 polysorbate 20. Each fragrance/eo is different as to how much they need and it will also depend on how much excess fat you have in your soap. If you are just below 0 you will likely need somewhere about 1/2, but as I said you may need more depending on the scent. Try to keep to as little polysorbate 20 as you can though, as your soap will thin a tiny bit and may become slightly sticky. Less is more. I have not tried polysorbate 80 though I imagine that it would work as well, though I have no idea what percentages to start with. I have a third page on my liquid soapmaking page that talks about this with pictures. http://www.essencesupply.com/liquid/page3.html hth, Pat > Can I add to the fragrance some Poly20 or Poly80 so it becomes water > soluble? If so, how much? > > Thanks, > Irena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi Irena, you have hit the nail on the head. Liquid soap is water based and fragrance is oil, which we know does not mix. I have used polysorbate 20 very successfully to incorporate fragrance. Add it at a rate of 1/1 and it will incorporate the oil into the water, though you may get a milky solution. To get a clear solution you have to add more polysorbate 20 up to 1 fo to 5 polysorbate 20. Each fragrance/eo is different as to how much they need and it will also depend on how much excess fat you have in your soap. If you are just below 0 you will likely need somewhere about 1/2, but as I said you may need more depending on the scent. Try to keep to as little polysorbate 20 as you can though, as your soap will thin a tiny bit and may become slightly sticky. Less is more. I have not tried polysorbate 80 though I imagine that it would work as well, though I have no idea what percentages to start with. I have a third page on my liquid soapmaking page that talks about this with pictures. http://www.essencesupply.com/liquid/page3.html hth, Pat > Can I add to the fragrance some Poly20 or Poly80 so it becomes water > soluble? If so, how much? > > Thanks, > Irena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Thanks for the info on liquid soap. I did try Poly20 and it ended up cloudy. However, when I used Poly80 it mixed in great and the soap cleared up overnight. I used 1 to 1 ratio. Irena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Pat, I have a girlfriend that is making liquid soap, probably in the next few days and is using your website as a reference. She found it to be the best out there with respect to Liquid Soapmaking. Also, my sister in law in Vancouver, used your recipe and it turned out fantastic. Thank you for providing all that information and pictures. Di -- In Cosmeticinfo , " pdprenty " <pdprenty@y...> wrote: > I have a third page on my liquid soapmaking page that talks about > this with pictures. > > http://www.essencesupply.com/liquid/page3.html > > hth, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Wow, thanks Di, it is great to hear that people are finding the liquid soap pages helpful. Pat > Pat, > > I have a girlfriend that is making liquid soap, probably in the next > few days and is using your website as a reference. She found it to > be the best out there with respect to Liquid Soapmaking. Also, my > sister in law in Vancouver, used your recipe and it turned out > fantastic. Thank you for providing all that information and pictures. > > Di Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Wow, thanks Di, it is great to hear that people are finding the liquid soap pages helpful. Pat > Pat, > > I have a girlfriend that is making liquid soap, probably in the next > few days and is using your website as a reference. She found it to > be the best out there with respect to Liquid Soapmaking. Also, my > sister in law in Vancouver, used your recipe and it turned out > fantastic. Thank you for providing all that information and pictures. > > Di Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Wow, thanks Di, it is great to hear that people are finding the liquid soap pages helpful. Pat > Pat, > > I have a girlfriend that is making liquid soap, probably in the next > few days and is using your website as a reference. She found it to > be the best out there with respect to Liquid Soapmaking. Also, my > sister in law in Vancouver, used your recipe and it turned out > fantastic. Thank you for providing all that information and pictures. > > Di Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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