Re: some thoughts with really no purpose...

[Guest guest]

Yep- instead of being nourished mentally, physically, emotionally,

us " crazy " people are usually abandonded ( as in my case ) by loved

ones, told to take mind-bending drugs, and dumped off on family

members who take us in only out of obligation (that is IF we are

lucky and not dumped on the streets)

K

> i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

positive changes right away.

>

> i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and

depression and never feeling very good before real drug problems.

thinking i had it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but,

now from paxil and prozac the second time i can really relate to

people that have severe physicological disorders because i was

basically " crazy " for two and a half years there. meaning incapable

of much and severe emotional disturbances. these people that do

this day in and day out are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on

by society, family, friends, etc..... no support and constantly

invalidated.

>

> its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish

them a little more now.

>

> jason

[Guest guest]

Yep- instead of being nourished mentally, physically, emotionally,

us " crazy " people are usually abandonded ( as in my case ) by loved

ones, told to take mind-bending drugs, and dumped off on family

members who take us in only out of obligation (that is IF we are

lucky and not dumped on the streets)

K

> i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

positive changes right away.

>

> i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and

depression and never feeling very good before real drug problems.

thinking i had it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but,

now from paxil and prozac the second time i can really relate to

people that have severe physicological disorders because i was

basically " crazy " for two and a half years there. meaning incapable

of much and severe emotional disturbances. these people that do

this day in and day out are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on

by society, family, friends, etc..... no support and constantly

invalidated.

>

> its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish

them a little more now.

>

> jason

[Guest guest]

> > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

> know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

> didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> positive changes right away.

>

> Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about that. I

> was wondering if you took anything after you got better from taking

> prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> like you knew then.

>

>

> > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and depression

> and never feeling very good before real drug problems. thinking i had

> it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from paxil

> and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> severe physicological disorders because i was basically " crazy " for

> two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and day out

> are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> >

> > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

> eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

> working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish them

> a little more now.

> > jason

>

>

> Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do during the

> day is more powerful than any drug.

>

> I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this summer.

> -joe

[Guest guest]

> > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

> know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

> didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> positive changes right away.

>

> Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about that. I

> was wondering if you took anything after you got better from taking

> prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> like you knew then.

>

>

> > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and depression

> and never feeling very good before real drug problems. thinking i had

> it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from paxil

> and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> severe physicological disorders because i was basically " crazy " for

> two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and day out

> are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> >

> > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

> eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

> working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish them

> a little more now.

> > jason

>

>

> Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do during the

> day is more powerful than any drug.

>

> I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this summer.

> -joe

[Guest guest]

> > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

> know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

> didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> positive changes right away.

>

> Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about that. I

> was wondering if you took anything after you got better from taking

> prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> like you knew then.

>

>

> > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and depression

> and never feeling very good before real drug problems. thinking i had

> it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from paxil

> and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> severe physicological disorders because i was basically " crazy " for

> two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and day out

> are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> >

> > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

> eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

> working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish them

> a little more now.

> > jason

>

>

> Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do during the

> day is more powerful than any drug.

>

> I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this summer.

> -joe

[Guest guest]

A little bit better but most things are the same, you just deal with

it better. Did u notice that you just woke up feeling better one day

or was in more gradual?

-joe

> > > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> > vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

> > know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

> > didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> > that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> > positive changes right away.

> >

> > Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about that. I

> > was wondering if you took anything after you got better from taking

> > prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> > like you knew then.

> >

> >

> > > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and depression

> > and never feeling very good before real drug problems. thinking i had

> > it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from paxil

> > and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> > severe physicological disorders because i was basically " crazy " for

> > two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> > emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and day out

> > are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> > friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> > >

> > > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

> > eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

> > working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish them

> > a little more now.

> > > jason

> >

> >

> > Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do during the

> > day is more powerful than any drug.

> >

> > I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this summer.

> > -joe

[Guest guest]

--

i did notice a change one day. but, it has been a gradual process after that.

keep that attitude though. i noticed today that i still complain and get pissed

off when symptoms are streneous and do it for a while. i also start thinking

what i would do if i felt differently.

i really am the poster child of what not to do in withdrawl. i was completely

unprepared personality wise to deal with tragedy, esp. something like this.

there is just no reason for me to not have dealt directly and in a healthy way

with my symptoms this far out. its a lot easier to do it now. but, thats no

excuse. i could have had a different mindset a long time ago. i wont do it

anymore, but... it take so long for these healthy behaviors to sink in.

i honestly just feel pathetic the way i have handled this whole anti situation.

jason

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " Joe on " <metafunj@h...>

wrote:

> A little bit better but most things are the same, you just deal with

> it better. Did u notice that you just woke up feeling better one day

> or was in more gradual?

> -joe

>

>

> > > > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> > > vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

> > > know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

> > > didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> > > that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> > > positive changes right away.

> > >

> > > Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about that. I

> > > was wondering if you took anything after you got better from taking

> > > prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> > > like you knew then.

> > >

> > >

> > > > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and depression

> > > and never feeling very good before real drug problems. thinking i had

> > > it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from paxil

> > > and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> > > severe physicological disorders because i was basically " crazy " for

> > > two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> > > emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and day out

> > > are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> > > friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> > > >

> > > > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

> > > eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

> > > working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish them

> > > a little more now.

> > > > jason

> > >

> > >

> > > Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do during the

> > > day is more powerful than any drug.

> > >

> > > I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this summer.

> > > -joe

[Guest guest]

--

i did notice a change one day. but, it has been a gradual process after that.

keep that attitude though. i noticed today that i still complain and get pissed

off when symptoms are streneous and do it for a while. i also start thinking

what i would do if i felt differently.

i really am the poster child of what not to do in withdrawl. i was completely

unprepared personality wise to deal with tragedy, esp. something like this.

there is just no reason for me to not have dealt directly and in a healthy way

with my symptoms this far out. its a lot easier to do it now. but, thats no

excuse. i could have had a different mindset a long time ago. i wont do it

anymore, but... it take so long for these healthy behaviors to sink in.

i honestly just feel pathetic the way i have handled this whole anti situation.

jason

- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " Joe on " <metafunj@h...>

wrote:

> A little bit better but most things are the same, you just deal with

> it better. Did u notice that you just woke up feeling better one day

> or was in more gradual?

> -joe

>

>

> > > > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> > > vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i didnt

> > > know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years and i

> > > didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> > > that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> > > positive changes right away.

> > >

> > > Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about that. I

> > > was wondering if you took anything after you got better from taking

> > > prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> > > like you knew then.

> > >

> > >

> > > > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and depression

> > > and never feeling very good before real drug problems. thinking i had

> > > it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from paxil

> > > and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> > > severe physicological disorders because i was basically " crazy " for

> > > two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> > > emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and day out

> > > are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> > > friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> > > >

> > > > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like sleep,

> > > eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for myself,

> > > working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i cherish them

> > > a little more now.

> > > > jason

> > >

> > >

> > > Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do during the

> > > day is more powerful than any drug.

> > >

> > > I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this summer.

> > > -joe

[Guest guest]

im probably just being hard on myself again. funny how im being positive now

that i feel a little better. i felt so shitty that i thought shitty. plus,

having a family that is unsupportive, like most of us have, makes it really hard

to be positive. it would have been nice if i could have just let things go when

i was sensitive. but, i was so sensitive they hurt so bad that i got angry.

pretty normal behavior. i wish i could have seen the big picture more like some

have. but, im young. i probably healed better because of my age, but didnt

have the wisdom i needed as well.

also, my waiting so long to do things a more healthy way played a role long

after i even stopped critizing myself about it. it was just causing tension.

also, catherine what else do you suggest for me? i will re-order the total

toddy, minearl, mag., fish oil.

jason

> > > > > > i was thinking today that i didnt do anything positive sleep,

> > > > > vitamins, etc... after i took prozac that first time because i

> didnt

> > > > > know my severe problems were drug related for another 4 years

> and i

> > > > > didnt start doing anything really until 5 and a half years later.

> > > > > that couldnt have helped my healing. props to those that make

> > > > > positive changes right away.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thats weird that you mentioned that cuz i was thinking about

> that. I

> > > > > was wondering if you took anything after you got better from

> taking

> > > > > prozac. I wouldn't concern yourself about it now though. its not

> > > > > like you knew then.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > i also remember how i complained about having anxiety and

> depression

> > > > > and never feeling very good before real drug problems.

> thinking i had

> > > > > it really bad. it was hard and not fun at all. but, now from

> paxil

> > > > > and prozac the second time i can really relate to people that have

> > > > > severe physicological disorders because i was basically

> " crazy " for

> > > > > two and a half years there. meaning incapable of much and severe

> > > > > emotional disturbances. these people that do this day in and

> day out

> > > > > are my heroes. plus, they just get sh-- on by society, family,

> > > > > friends, etc..... no support and constantly invalidated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > its good to be capable of doing good things for myself like

> sleep,

> > > > > eating better, walking, being able to handle standing up for

> myself,

> > > > > working at all. i know they sound mundane and easy, but i

> cherish them

> > > > > a little more now.

> > > > > > jason

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just getting the little errands done that you set out to do

> during the

> > > > > day is more powerful than any drug.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm at 23 months now, hopefully i'll see more improvement this

> summer.

> > > > > -joe