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Hi ,

Welcome to the group.

I'm glad you were able to find what was causing your son's symptoms.

So often, our medical system decides that mental/emotional symptoms

must mean a mental or emotional problem, and treats people with toxic

drugs that have no relation to the actual physiological roots of the

problem. It's disgusting and irresponsible. Congratulations on

seeing a way out of this mess for your son.

How old is your son?

Can you tell us all the drugs he is taking, with dosages?

You're right, people often have adverse reactions to abrupt withdrawal

from these drugs. It is not a safe or healthy thing to do, and can

set someone up for lasting difficulties.

When several drugs are involved, the situation becomes more

complicated and must be dealt with more carefully and individually.

is available to do this by phone. She makes this available

to all because she does not charge a set fee, instead asking that you

pay what you can afford, based on what comparable services would cost

in your area. People often make payments over time to keep it

affordable for them. Please post to the list if you are interested in this.

Take some time to read through the materials sent to you when you

joined. It will also be useful to read through the files and the

message archives. There is an enormous amount of information on this

site about withdrawing and recovering from these drugs.

I'm glad you found us.

Warmly,

Kim

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Hi Kim, thanks for the warm welcome.

I will answer your questions. My son will be 21 next month. All of

this started around age 15. He was on and off of several meds the

first year, because nothing was really helping, and then when we

found the thyroid problem and he started on 1 grain of Armour

Thyroid a day. It took almost another year to get him up to 4

grains a day and then he finally started doing better. After that

time, and since, I have talked to many many others that had

psychiatric problems that found out they actually had a thyroid

problem that was causing he problem. (I have a wealth of

information on the subject if anyone is interested).

I truly believe that his low thyroid problem is the cause of the

things he deals with, and truly wish that we had found the thyroid

problem first, before beginning any other meds, as Armour Thyroid

may have been all he needed, but now he is on several meds and will

have trouble coming off of them. If he needs them, then we will

have to live with that, but I worry about the long term side effects

and don't want him to take them unless it is absolutely necessary.

Ok these are the exact meds and dosages that he takes.

AM

80 mgs generic Prozac

2 mgs Clonazepam

50 mgs Clomipramine

4 grains Armour Thyroid

PM

40 mgs Geodon

50 mgs Clomipramine every other night (basically he is to take 75

mgs a day but we are splitting it like that because of the costs)

and sometimes he takes another 1 mg of Clonazepam in the evening if

he is feeling anxious at work.

I am concerned about the interaction of the Prozac with his low

thyroid problem because the prozac is fluorinated, but my main

concern is the antipsychotic drug Geodon.

At one time, he had been on Zyprexa for a year and gained 25 lbs on

it. He took himself off of it cold turkey because of the weight

gain and had the two worst episodes that he has ever had. They were

totally out of character for him. At the time this happened I

thought that meant he needed the Zyprexa and did not understand that

it was a reaction to coming off of it cold turkey, and so was

agreeable to trying the Geodon instead. Now, after much research, I

realize it was a reaction to coming off that drug like that.

He has a lot of hand tremors that bothers him. He feels like people

think he is nervous because his hands are always shaking and of

course we worry about the long time effects of the drug.

I would really appreciate any thoughts on slowly reducing the Geodon

or hearing about anyone's experiences with the drug.

thank you very much,

bddmom

Hi ,

Welcome to the group.

I'm glad you were able to find what was causing your son's symptoms.

So often, our medical system decides that mental/emotional symptoms

must mean a mental or emotional problem, and treats people with

toxic drugs that have no relation to the actual physiological roots

of the problem. It's disgusting and irresponsible. Congratulations

on seeing a way out of this mess for your son.

How old is your son?

Can you tell us all the drugs he is taking, with dosages?

You're right, people often have adverse reactions to abrupt

withdrawal from these drugs. It is not a safe or healthy thing to

do, and can set someone up for lasting difficulties.

When several drugs are involved, the situation becomes more

complicated and must be dealt with more carefully and individually.

is available to do this by phone. She makes this available

to all because she does not charge a set fee, instead asking that you

pay what you can afford, based on what comparable services would cost

in your area. People often make payments over time to keep it

affordable for them. Please post to the list if you are interested

in this.

Take some time to read through the materials sent to you when you

joined. It will also be useful to read through the files and the

message archives. There is an enormous amount of information on this

site about withdrawing and recovering from these drugs.

I'm glad you found us.

Warmly,

Kim

(co-moderator)

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Hi Kim, thanks for the warm welcome.

I will answer your questions. My son will be 21 next month. All of

this started around age 15. He was on and off of several meds the

first year, because nothing was really helping, and then when we

found the thyroid problem and he started on 1 grain of Armour

Thyroid a day. It took almost another year to get him up to 4

grains a day and then he finally started doing better. After that

time, and since, I have talked to many many others that had

psychiatric problems that found out they actually had a thyroid

problem that was causing he problem. (I have a wealth of

information on the subject if anyone is interested).

I truly believe that his low thyroid problem is the cause of the

things he deals with, and truly wish that we had found the thyroid

problem first, before beginning any other meds, as Armour Thyroid

may have been all he needed, but now he is on several meds and will

have trouble coming off of them. If he needs them, then we will

have to live with that, but I worry about the long term side effects

and don't want him to take them unless it is absolutely necessary.

Ok these are the exact meds and dosages that he takes.

AM

80 mgs generic Prozac

2 mgs Clonazepam

50 mgs Clomipramine

4 grains Armour Thyroid

PM

40 mgs Geodon

50 mgs Clomipramine every other night (basically he is to take 75

mgs a day but we are splitting it like that because of the costs)

and sometimes he takes another 1 mg of Clonazepam in the evening if

he is feeling anxious at work.

I am concerned about the interaction of the Prozac with his low

thyroid problem because the prozac is fluorinated, but my main

concern is the antipsychotic drug Geodon.

At one time, he had been on Zyprexa for a year and gained 25 lbs on

it. He took himself off of it cold turkey because of the weight

gain and had the two worst episodes that he has ever had. They were

totally out of character for him. At the time this happened I

thought that meant he needed the Zyprexa and did not understand that

it was a reaction to coming off of it cold turkey, and so was

agreeable to trying the Geodon instead. Now, after much research, I

realize it was a reaction to coming off that drug like that.

He has a lot of hand tremors that bothers him. He feels like people

think he is nervous because his hands are always shaking and of

course we worry about the long time effects of the drug.

I would really appreciate any thoughts on slowly reducing the Geodon

or hearing about anyone's experiences with the drug.

thank you very much,

bddmom

Hi ,

Welcome to the group.

I'm glad you were able to find what was causing your son's symptoms.

So often, our medical system decides that mental/emotional symptoms

must mean a mental or emotional problem, and treats people with

toxic drugs that have no relation to the actual physiological roots

of the problem. It's disgusting and irresponsible. Congratulations

on seeing a way out of this mess for your son.

How old is your son?

Can you tell us all the drugs he is taking, with dosages?

You're right, people often have adverse reactions to abrupt

withdrawal from these drugs. It is not a safe or healthy thing to

do, and can set someone up for lasting difficulties.

When several drugs are involved, the situation becomes more

complicated and must be dealt with more carefully and individually.

is available to do this by phone. She makes this available

to all because she does not charge a set fee, instead asking that you

pay what you can afford, based on what comparable services would cost

in your area. People often make payments over time to keep it

affordable for them. Please post to the list if you are interested

in this.

Take some time to read through the materials sent to you when you

joined. It will also be useful to read through the files and the

message archives. There is an enormous amount of information on this

site about withdrawing and recovering from these drugs.

I'm glad you found us.

Warmly,

Kim

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Dear ,

You said:

<<I will answer your questions. My son will be 21 next month. All of

this started around age 15. He was on and off of several meds the

first year, because nothing was really helping, and then when we

found the thyroid problem and he started on 1 grain of Armour

Thyroid a day. It took almost another year to get him up to 4

grains a day and then he finally started doing better. After that

time, and since, I have talked to many many others that had

psychiatric problems that found out they actually had a thyroid

problem that was causing he problem. (I have a wealth of

information on the subject if anyone is interested).

I truly believe that his low thyroid problem is the cause of the

things he deals with, and truly wish that we had found the thyroid

problem first, before beginning any other meds, as Armour Thyroid

may have been all he needed, but now he is on several meds and will

have trouble coming off of them. If he needs them, then we will

have to live with that, but I worry about the long term side effects

and don't want him to take them unless it is absolutely necessary.

Ok these are the exact meds and dosages that he takes.

AM

80 mgs generic Prozac

2 mgs Clonazepam

50 mgs Clomipramine

4 grains Armour Thyroid

PM

40 mgs Geodon

50 mgs Clomipramine every other night (basically he is to take 75

mgs a day but we are splitting it like that because of the costs)

and sometimes he takes another 1 mg of Clonazepam in the evening if

he is feeling anxious at work.

I am concerned about the interaction of the Prozac with his low

thyroid problem because the prozac is fluorinated, but my main

concern is the antipsychotic drug Geodon.

At one time, he had been on Zyprexa for a year and gained 25 lbs on

it. He took himself off of it cold turkey because of the weight

gain and had the two worst episodes that he has ever had. They were

totally out of character for him. At the time this happened I

thought that meant he needed the Zyprexa and did not understand that

it was a reaction to coming off of it cold turkey, and so was

agreeable to trying the Geodon instead. Now, after much research, I

realize it was a reaction to coming off that drug like that.

He has a lot of hand tremors that bothers him. He feels like people

think he is nervous because his hands are always shaking and of

course we worry about the long time effects of the drug.

I would really appreciate any thoughts on slowly reducing the Geodon

or hearing about anyone's experiences with the drug.>>

** Why just the Geodon? Why not all the others, too?

Thanks.

Regards,

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--- " Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will not

be

able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that is one

of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first. "

We were all scared hun, sometimes I think it is mainly due to the

brainwashing from our lovely doctors. The hardest thing I did was

get off paxil and cipromil, but I did it, with the love and support

of everyone here. THere reassurances that I wasnt going mad, that

is was " Just " withdrawal. is wonderful, all you have to do

is trust her, she will never let you down.

This group is your son's lifeline, grab it.

Thinking of you and your son.

Love xx

In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " cathy_bdd_mom "

<cathy_bdd_mom@y...> wrote:

> - I would like nothing better than to get my son off of

all

> of the meds that he is taking - except for the Armour Thyroid! He

> will take that the rest of his life and desperately needs it!!!!

That

> stuff is like gold to us!!!!

>

> I just assumed that we could only work on coming off of one drug

at a

> time and thought the Geodon is the first one we need to get him

off

> of, because I am not convinced he needs it and I figured it was

the

> worst of what he is taking.

>

> Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will not

be

> able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

> Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that is

one

> of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first.

>

> I will mention that before the Armour Thyroid and CBT and other

meds,

> my son was suicidal at times and would barely leave his room and

was

> not living life. I do not want to do anything to mess up the

> progress that he has made. His " BDD " was chronic! So I will be

> honest and say that I am scared of throwing him for a loop.

>

> I am very very interested in hearing about your experiences, your

> thoughts, your research, your knowledge, and your advice on any or

> all of this!

>

> Thank you very much,

> bddmom

>

> In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " C Creel "

<ccreel@m...>

> wrote:

> Dear ,

> You said: ...

> ** Why just the Geodon? Why not all the others, too?

> Thanks.

> Regards,

>

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--- " Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will not

be

able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that is one

of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first. "

We were all scared hun, sometimes I think it is mainly due to the

brainwashing from our lovely doctors. The hardest thing I did was

get off paxil and cipromil, but I did it, with the love and support

of everyone here. THere reassurances that I wasnt going mad, that

is was " Just " withdrawal. is wonderful, all you have to do

is trust her, she will never let you down.

This group is your son's lifeline, grab it.

Thinking of you and your son.

Love xx

In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " cathy_bdd_mom "

<cathy_bdd_mom@y...> wrote:

> - I would like nothing better than to get my son off of

all

> of the meds that he is taking - except for the Armour Thyroid! He

> will take that the rest of his life and desperately needs it!!!!

That

> stuff is like gold to us!!!!

>

> I just assumed that we could only work on coming off of one drug

at a

> time and thought the Geodon is the first one we need to get him

off

> of, because I am not convinced he needs it and I figured it was

the

> worst of what he is taking.

>

> Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will not

be

> able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

> Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that is

one

> of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first.

>

> I will mention that before the Armour Thyroid and CBT and other

meds,

> my son was suicidal at times and would barely leave his room and

was

> not living life. I do not want to do anything to mess up the

> progress that he has made. His " BDD " was chronic! So I will be

> honest and say that I am scared of throwing him for a loop.

>

> I am very very interested in hearing about your experiences, your

> thoughts, your research, your knowledge, and your advice on any or

> all of this!

>

> Thank you very much,

> bddmom

>

> In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " C Creel "

<ccreel@m...>

> wrote:

> Dear ,

> You said: ...

> ** Why just the Geodon? Why not all the others, too?

> Thanks.

> Regards,

>

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, I am so glad to hear that you are off the paxil & cipromil!

that is awesome! and encouraging.

May I ask, are the problems that you were having, that made you

start taking the paxil & cipromil in the first place, well are those

things better now since coming off the drugs, or have you just

learned to deal with whatever you were dealing with?

thank you,

bddmom

> --- " Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will

not

> be

> able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

> Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that is

one

> of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first. "

>

> We were all scared hun, sometimes I think it is mainly due to the

> brainwashing from our lovely doctors. The hardest thing I did was

> get off paxil and cipromil, but I did it, with the love and

support

> of everyone here. THere reassurances that I wasnt going mad, that

> is was " Just " withdrawal. is wonderful, all you have to

do

> is trust her, she will never let you down.

> This group is your son's lifeline, grab it.

> Thinking of you and your son.

> Love xx

>

>

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, I am so glad to hear that you are off the paxil & cipromil!

that is awesome! and encouraging.

May I ask, are the problems that you were having, that made you

start taking the paxil & cipromil in the first place, well are those

things better now since coming off the drugs, or have you just

learned to deal with whatever you were dealing with?

thank you,

bddmom

> --- " Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will

not

> be

> able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

> Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that is

one

> of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first. "

>

> We were all scared hun, sometimes I think it is mainly due to the

> brainwashing from our lovely doctors. The hardest thing I did was

> get off paxil and cipromil, but I did it, with the love and

support

> of everyone here. THere reassurances that I wasnt going mad, that

> is was " Just " withdrawal. is wonderful, all you have to

do

> is trust her, she will never let you down.

> This group is your son's lifeline, grab it.

> Thinking of you and your son.

> Love xx

>

>

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---Hi

I was put on paxil for anorexia and panic attacks, the main trigger

cause of these was a knee operation in Dec 95 when I was 18. I used

to compete at swimming and running and my knee had been giving me

grief since I was 14 and was just getting worse. They did a lateral

release which they told me would take just weeks to heal (infact it

took years) I got increasingly frustrated and angry at having the

sport I lived for taken away from me. In my head if I wasn't able

to run then I wasn't going to eat, in a bizarre way I figured that

if I got lighter and lighter maybe the knee would take the weight

and let me run again. ( truth is I was only 6stone before the op)

The panic attacks I think were triggered by the anesthetic, when I

came round they made me stand on the knee they had just operated on,

and I fainted, everytime I tried to get up I fainted. I got scared.

So I think thats where the panic attacks come from.

Paxil and cipromil, over the last 8 years were the most horrific

time of my life. I lost my 20's. Now I am off, I am not completely

better, I still have the nerve pain in my feet from the drugs and I

still have alot of weight to loose. The panic attacks are better

than when I was on the drugs, I believe they actually increased my

anxeity. By now means am I the most laid back person, but I accept,

I think thats what has helped me. To accept I cannot always change

things, that somethings are out of my hands. i think this brings a

little peace. I believe the magnesium really helps my anxiety alot

to.

I am most relaxed when I play, so that for me is good.

I hope this answers what you wanted to know, sorry its got a bit

long.

With Love

In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " cathy_bdd_mom "

<cathy_bdd_mom@y...> wrote:

> , I am so glad to hear that you are off the paxil &

cipromil!

> that is awesome! and encouraging.

>

> May I ask, are the problems that you were having, that made you

> start taking the paxil & cipromil in the first place, well are

those

> things better now since coming off the drugs, or have you just

> learned to deal with whatever you were dealing with?

>

> thank you,

> bddmom

>

>

> > --- " Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will

> not

> > be

> > able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

> > Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that

is

> one

> > of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first. "

> >

> > We were all scared hun, sometimes I think it is mainly due to

the

> > brainwashing from our lovely doctors. The hardest thing I did

was

> > get off paxil and cipromil, but I did it, with the love and

> support

> > of everyone here. THere reassurances that I wasnt going mad,

that

> > is was " Just " withdrawal. is wonderful, all you have

to

> do

> > is trust her, she will never let you down.

> > This group is your son's lifeline, grab it.

> > Thinking of you and your son.

> > Love xx

> >

> >

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---Hi

I was put on paxil for anorexia and panic attacks, the main trigger

cause of these was a knee operation in Dec 95 when I was 18. I used

to compete at swimming and running and my knee had been giving me

grief since I was 14 and was just getting worse. They did a lateral

release which they told me would take just weeks to heal (infact it

took years) I got increasingly frustrated and angry at having the

sport I lived for taken away from me. In my head if I wasn't able

to run then I wasn't going to eat, in a bizarre way I figured that

if I got lighter and lighter maybe the knee would take the weight

and let me run again. ( truth is I was only 6stone before the op)

The panic attacks I think were triggered by the anesthetic, when I

came round they made me stand on the knee they had just operated on,

and I fainted, everytime I tried to get up I fainted. I got scared.

So I think thats where the panic attacks come from.

Paxil and cipromil, over the last 8 years were the most horrific

time of my life. I lost my 20's. Now I am off, I am not completely

better, I still have the nerve pain in my feet from the drugs and I

still have alot of weight to loose. The panic attacks are better

than when I was on the drugs, I believe they actually increased my

anxeity. By now means am I the most laid back person, but I accept,

I think thats what has helped me. To accept I cannot always change

things, that somethings are out of my hands. i think this brings a

little peace. I believe the magnesium really helps my anxiety alot

to.

I am most relaxed when I play, so that for me is good.

I hope this answers what you wanted to know, sorry its got a bit

long.

With Love

In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " cathy_bdd_mom "

<cathy_bdd_mom@y...> wrote:

> , I am so glad to hear that you are off the paxil &

cipromil!

> that is awesome! and encouraging.

>

> May I ask, are the problems that you were having, that made you

> start taking the paxil & cipromil in the first place, well are

those

> things better now since coming off the drugs, or have you just

> learned to deal with whatever you were dealing with?

>

> thank you,

> bddmom

>

>

> > --- " Also, honestly, there is a part of me that is afraid he will

> not

> > be

> > able to get totally off of the prozac (or some other SSRI and the

> > Clomipramine, which is basically an OCD drug), so perhaps that

is

> one

> > of the reasons I was focusing on the Geodon first. "

> >

> > We were all scared hun, sometimes I think it is mainly due to

the

> > brainwashing from our lovely doctors. The hardest thing I did

was

> > get off paxil and cipromil, but I did it, with the love and

> support

> > of everyone here. THere reassurances that I wasnt going mad,

that

> > is was " Just " withdrawal. is wonderful, all you have

to

> do

> > is trust her, she will never let you down.

> > This group is your son's lifeline, grab it.

> > Thinking of you and your son.

> > Love xx

> >

> >

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