Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I'm so sad too, I can't even watch the news anymore. I think the media sometimes makes things worse. I live in VA and several people I work with had kids at Tech, thankfully they are ok. It is so weird to have this happen so close to home. My heart goes out to all the families of victims as well. > > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 This post shows just how far we have come from the places that we grew up in. The fact that we can feel such empathy for others. You knw I think despite our parents best efforts we turned out pretty darn good. Lilly junkinthere wrote: I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical problems. I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow even though it's been 6 years. These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. Melany --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I'm glad to see this mentioned here. I too have been feeling so deeply saddened by this tragedy. My heart goes out to the victims' families, the survivors... I can't even imagine the gamut of emotions. And I don't know if this will make sense, but ... it also feels good to hurt for something true and valid vs. the constant guilt and whatnot associated with my familial issues... having a mom and her spouse with BPD. Lilly LaFlure wrote: This post shows just how far we have come from the places that we grew up in. The fact that we can feel such empathy for others. You knw I think despite our parents best efforts we turned out pretty darn good. Lilly junkinthere wrote: I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical problems. I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow even though it's been 6 years. These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. Melany --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I cried for them too. I went to school at UT, where the similar shootings took place years ago. It didn't see any pictures of the Virginia Tech shootings, but I have seen them from UT and those kept running through my mind. There's something really terribly surreal about violence like that in such a peaceful setting. I guess I still think of college as an ivory tower and the horrible things in the world outside seem especially horrible there. junkinthere wrote: I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical problems. I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow even though it's been 6 years. These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. Melany --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Now that everyone knows the identity of the killer and that he suffered from mental illness- several doctors on the news last night said he was paranoid schizphrenic- it seems to me the mental health system in this country fails everyone- not just BP's. It is pitiful that this young man fell through the cracks of the system after being labeled a danger to himself and others- after he was released from the hospital in 05, his condition was not followed up at all. This kind of neglect of the mentally ill makes me so angry! I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Now that everyone knows the identity of the killer and that he suffered from mental illness- several doctors on the news last night said he was paranoid schizphrenic- it seems to me the mental health system in this country fails everyone- not just BP's. It is pitiful that this young man fell through the cracks of the system after being labeled a danger to himself and others- after he was released from the hospital in 05, his condition was not followed up at all. This kind of neglect of the mentally ill makes me so angry! I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Now that everyone knows the identity of the killer and that he suffered from mental illness- several doctors on the news last night said he was paranoid schizphrenic- it seems to me the mental health system in this country fails everyone- not just BP's. It is pitiful that this young man fell through the cracks of the system after being labeled a danger to himself and others- after he was released from the hospital in 05, his condition was not followed up at all. This kind of neglect of the mentally ill makes me so angry! I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Well, it also has to do with paitent rights. As we have seen with BP's you can tell them to get help, but if they don't believe they have a problem they won't get help. You can take a horse to water, but you can't force them to drink. The problem is that if you put them in for care and then they act totaly sane while there they have to release them. My mother had a terrible problem in private therapy. She had a patient with multiple personality disorder. He had two personalites the " good " him and the " bad " him. She was attacked by the " bad " him, so he was put in the hospital. However, while he was there only the " good " him was around so he had to be released. Lilly mitchell_kristin wrote: Now that everyone knows the identity of the killer and that he suffered from mental illness- several doctors on the news last night said he was paranoid schizphrenic- it seems to me the mental health system in this country fails everyone- not just BP's. It is pitiful that this young man fell through the cracks of the system after being labeled a danger to himself and others- after he was released from the hospital in 05, his condition was not followed up at all. This kind of neglect of the mentally ill makes me so angry! I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Well, it also has to do with paitent rights. As we have seen with BP's you can tell them to get help, but if they don't believe they have a problem they won't get help. You can take a horse to water, but you can't force them to drink. The problem is that if you put them in for care and then they act totaly sane while there they have to release them. My mother had a terrible problem in private therapy. She had a patient with multiple personality disorder. He had two personalites the " good " him and the " bad " him. She was attacked by the " bad " him, so he was put in the hospital. However, while he was there only the " good " him was around so he had to be released. Lilly mitchell_kristin wrote: Now that everyone knows the identity of the killer and that he suffered from mental illness- several doctors on the news last night said he was paranoid schizphrenic- it seems to me the mental health system in this country fails everyone- not just BP's. It is pitiful that this young man fell through the cracks of the system after being labeled a danger to himself and others- after he was released from the hospital in 05, his condition was not followed up at all. This kind of neglect of the mentally ill makes me so angry! I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Well, it also has to do with paitent rights. As we have seen with BP's you can tell them to get help, but if they don't believe they have a problem they won't get help. You can take a horse to water, but you can't force them to drink. The problem is that if you put them in for care and then they act totaly sane while there they have to release them. My mother had a terrible problem in private therapy. She had a patient with multiple personality disorder. He had two personalites the " good " him and the " bad " him. She was attacked by the " bad " him, so he was put in the hospital. However, while he was there only the " good " him was around so he had to be released. Lilly mitchell_kristin wrote: Now that everyone knows the identity of the killer and that he suffered from mental illness- several doctors on the news last night said he was paranoid schizphrenic- it seems to me the mental health system in this country fails everyone- not just BP's. It is pitiful that this young man fell through the cracks of the system after being labeled a danger to himself and others- after he was released from the hospital in 05, his condition was not followed up at all. This kind of neglect of the mentally ill makes me so angry! I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I was also thinking this topic needed to be brought up, and you say it's not directly related to BPD, having now seen the video of the killer, the obvious mental problems he was suffering from, does bring it closer to home for me. It's just sad all around. I feel for the students & the families of the students who were killed. But after seeing the video of the killer, I agree; it's another case of the " system " failing the mentally ill in this country. On one hand, how can society help someone who doesn't want the help, who wants to " feel the pain " instead of taking their meds? On the other hand, if someone refuses to help themselves, should they be locked away to prevent such incidents? There are people in the media quick to blame video games & movie violence, or to make a political issue of it all, like student's should be allowed to carrying concealed guns. But this is so obviously about mental illness more than anything. I'd also be interested in hearing if anyone else's BP's have any interesting reactions to the VT shootings. I haven't talked to Fada about it yet, but I'll be interested to see what his reaction is. > > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I was also thinking this topic needed to be brought up, and you say it's not directly related to BPD, having now seen the video of the killer, the obvious mental problems he was suffering from, does bring it closer to home for me. It's just sad all around. I feel for the students & the families of the students who were killed. But after seeing the video of the killer, I agree; it's another case of the " system " failing the mentally ill in this country. On one hand, how can society help someone who doesn't want the help, who wants to " feel the pain " instead of taking their meds? On the other hand, if someone refuses to help themselves, should they be locked away to prevent such incidents? There are people in the media quick to blame video games & movie violence, or to make a political issue of it all, like student's should be allowed to carrying concealed guns. But this is so obviously about mental illness more than anything. I'd also be interested in hearing if anyone else's BP's have any interesting reactions to the VT shootings. I haven't talked to Fada about it yet, but I'll be interested to see what his reaction is. > > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I was also thinking this topic needed to be brought up, and you say it's not directly related to BPD, having now seen the video of the killer, the obvious mental problems he was suffering from, does bring it closer to home for me. It's just sad all around. I feel for the students & the families of the students who were killed. But after seeing the video of the killer, I agree; it's another case of the " system " failing the mentally ill in this country. On one hand, how can society help someone who doesn't want the help, who wants to " feel the pain " instead of taking their meds? On the other hand, if someone refuses to help themselves, should they be locked away to prevent such incidents? There are people in the media quick to blame video games & movie violence, or to make a political issue of it all, like student's should be allowed to carrying concealed guns. But this is so obviously about mental illness more than anything. I'd also be interested in hearing if anyone else's BP's have any interesting reactions to the VT shootings. I haven't talked to Fada about it yet, but I'll be interested to see what his reaction is. > > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Yes -- I agree. And I've never been a fan of blaming the government or the " system " , when all it is is this giant, beaurocratic monolith that is suppposed to personally serve thousands. In cases like these, we all have to watch out for each other when one of us is apprised of a possible danger to others. So this leads to my question: Why did his family simply let him loose out there into the population of that campus, and the world at large? If I had actual knowledge from a professional that my son, grandson, cousin, friend, etc. had been diagnosed as a danger to himself and others, I would sound the alarm -- take steps to make sure he's not out in the world on his own. I just wonder what the family did to protect the rest of us, since, as the ones who were closest to his mental disorder, they were our line of first defense. Government and " system " bureaucracies close at 5:00. The people around the killer knew him best, and still unleashed him. Like watching a child take a knife into a schoolyard. -Kyla I know this tragedy is not > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible > shooting. > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying > for > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > > problems. > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just > reaching > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, > or > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad > for them. > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the > second > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really > describe > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 > somehow > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry > for > > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Yes -- I agree. And I've never been a fan of blaming the government or the " system " , when all it is is this giant, beaurocratic monolith that is suppposed to personally serve thousands. In cases like these, we all have to watch out for each other when one of us is apprised of a possible danger to others. So this leads to my question: Why did his family simply let him loose out there into the population of that campus, and the world at large? If I had actual knowledge from a professional that my son, grandson, cousin, friend, etc. had been diagnosed as a danger to himself and others, I would sound the alarm -- take steps to make sure he's not out in the world on his own. I just wonder what the family did to protect the rest of us, since, as the ones who were closest to his mental disorder, they were our line of first defense. Government and " system " bureaucracies close at 5:00. The people around the killer knew him best, and still unleashed him. Like watching a child take a knife into a schoolyard. -Kyla I know this tragedy is not > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible > shooting. > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying > for > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > > problems. > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just > reaching > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, > or > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad > for them. > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the > second > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really > describe > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 > somehow > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry > for > > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Yes -- I agree. And I've never been a fan of blaming the government or the " system " , when all it is is this giant, beaurocratic monolith that is suppposed to personally serve thousands. In cases like these, we all have to watch out for each other when one of us is apprised of a possible danger to others. So this leads to my question: Why did his family simply let him loose out there into the population of that campus, and the world at large? If I had actual knowledge from a professional that my son, grandson, cousin, friend, etc. had been diagnosed as a danger to himself and others, I would sound the alarm -- take steps to make sure he's not out in the world on his own. I just wonder what the family did to protect the rest of us, since, as the ones who were closest to his mental disorder, they were our line of first defense. Government and " system " bureaucracies close at 5:00. The people around the killer knew him best, and still unleashed him. Like watching a child take a knife into a schoolyard. -Kyla I know this tragedy is not > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible > shooting. > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying > for > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > > problems. > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just > reaching > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, > or > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad > for them. > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the > second > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really > describe > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 > somehow > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry > for > > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 hi all, I actually live in the Blacksburg, VA area and attend church in Blacksburg. Our church has always been very heavily involved with Virginia Tech so this has been very hard. The day of the shootings, I had actually flown into York, NE for my brother's funeral who was killed in Iraq. I don't know how much more sorrow my heart can hold. What I have thought about through all this is how one person can die causing so much grief, pain, death and anguish, and another person can die having been full of and giving out joy, love and sacrificing his life to save others' lives. My BPD Nada has been at the funeral services for my brother and I will see her again this weekend at the memorial. Dealing with so much death and mental illness, I my prayer is that I can look at my life and try to be one who gives joy and love and not havoc and pain that a single person is able to cause in so many others' lives. junkinthere wrote: I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical problems. I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow even though it's been 6 years. These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. Melany --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 hi all, I actually live in the Blacksburg, VA area and attend church in Blacksburg. Our church has always been very heavily involved with Virginia Tech so this has been very hard. The day of the shootings, I had actually flown into York, NE for my brother's funeral who was killed in Iraq. I don't know how much more sorrow my heart can hold. What I have thought about through all this is how one person can die causing so much grief, pain, death and anguish, and another person can die having been full of and giving out joy, love and sacrificing his life to save others' lives. My BPD Nada has been at the funeral services for my brother and I will see her again this weekend at the memorial. Dealing with so much death and mental illness, I my prayer is that I can look at my life and try to be one who gives joy and love and not havoc and pain that a single person is able to cause in so many others' lives. junkinthere wrote: I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical problems. I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow even though it's been 6 years. These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. Melany --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Kyla and All, I generally agree. However, apparently because of confidentialy laws and that the murderer was a legal adult, the family was never notified of his hospitalization, etc. He seems to have been in that middle ground, like many High-Functioning BPs, who show one side (in his case, quiet, menacing and disturbed) while another side (enraged, murderous) was taking over, undetected. Apparently, he showed no previous signs of being an imminent physical danger to anyone other than himself, including his stalking behavior. Even if he was being watched, I'm not sure this could've been prevented. It's not like my FOO's physical and long-term abuse of me when I was a legal minor, when someone (such as an authority figure or other family member) should've contacted some authority to find out what I was enduring, forced some positive in that situation, and gotten me some help. What do you all think? One Non-BP Recovering Man --- kylaboo728 wrote: > Yes -- I agree. And I've never been a fan of > blaming the government > or the " system " , when all it is is this giant, > beaurocratic monolith > that is suppposed to personally serve thousands. > > In cases like these, we all have to watch out for > each other when > one of us is apprised of a possible danger to > others. So this leads > to my question: Why did his family simply let him > loose out there > into the population of that campus, and the world at > large? > > If I had actual knowledge from a professional that > my son, grandson, > cousin, friend, etc. had been diagnosed as a danger > to himself and > others, I would sound the alarm -- take steps to > make sure he's not > out in the world on his own. > > I just wonder what the family did to protect the > rest of us, since, > as the ones who were closest to his mental disorder, > they were our > line of first defense. > > Government and " system " bureaucracies close at 5:00. > The people > around the killer knew him best, and still unleashed > him. Like > watching a child take a knife into a schoolyard. > > -Kyla > > I know this tragedy is not > > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > > sad for the people directly affected by this > horrible horrible > > shooting. > > > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I > have been > crying > > for > > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been > as well. The > shear > > > terror those who survived must have experienced. > The awful loss > of > > > young promising lives. One of the professors > killed was a > holocaust > > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD > or other > > > psychological problems as a result, along with > any lasting > physical > > > problems. > > > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant > here, I'm just > > reaching > > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily > saddened by recent > > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the > students who > survived, > > or > > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events > really makes me sad > > for them. > > > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the > 23rd floor of the > > second > > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first > plane hit and > > > dissociated, and even though I have never been > in such a tragedy, > > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was > telling me. How > she > > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she > couldn't really > > describe > > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a > vegetarian and > developed > > > high BP, and how most of her conversation > refered back to 9/11 > > somehow > > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to > do. I am so > sorry > > for > > > them because in some ways I can really feel > their pain. > > > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Kyla and All, I generally agree. However, apparently because of confidentialy laws and that the murderer was a legal adult, the family was never notified of his hospitalization, etc. He seems to have been in that middle ground, like many High-Functioning BPs, who show one side (in his case, quiet, menacing and disturbed) while another side (enraged, murderous) was taking over, undetected. Apparently, he showed no previous signs of being an imminent physical danger to anyone other than himself, including his stalking behavior. Even if he was being watched, I'm not sure this could've been prevented. It's not like my FOO's physical and long-term abuse of me when I was a legal minor, when someone (such as an authority figure or other family member) should've contacted some authority to find out what I was enduring, forced some positive in that situation, and gotten me some help. What do you all think? One Non-BP Recovering Man --- kylaboo728 wrote: > Yes -- I agree. And I've never been a fan of > blaming the government > or the " system " , when all it is is this giant, > beaurocratic monolith > that is suppposed to personally serve thousands. > > In cases like these, we all have to watch out for > each other when > one of us is apprised of a possible danger to > others. So this leads > to my question: Why did his family simply let him > loose out there > into the population of that campus, and the world at > large? > > If I had actual knowledge from a professional that > my son, grandson, > cousin, friend, etc. had been diagnosed as a danger > to himself and > others, I would sound the alarm -- take steps to > make sure he's not > out in the world on his own. > > I just wonder what the family did to protect the > rest of us, since, > as the ones who were closest to his mental disorder, > they were our > line of first defense. > > Government and " system " bureaucracies close at 5:00. > The people > around the killer knew him best, and still unleashed > him. Like > watching a child take a knife into a schoolyard. > > -Kyla > > I know this tragedy is not > > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > > sad for the people directly affected by this > horrible horrible > > shooting. > > > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I > have been > crying > > for > > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been > as well. The > shear > > > terror those who survived must have experienced. > The awful loss > of > > > young promising lives. One of the professors > killed was a > holocaust > > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD > or other > > > psychological problems as a result, along with > any lasting > physical > > > problems. > > > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant > here, I'm just > > reaching > > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily > saddened by recent > > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the > students who > survived, > > or > > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events > really makes me sad > > for them. > > > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the > 23rd floor of the > > second > > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first > plane hit and > > > dissociated, and even though I have never been > in such a tragedy, > > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was > telling me. How > she > > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she > couldn't really > > describe > > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a > vegetarian and > developed > > > high BP, and how most of her conversation > refered back to 9/11 > > somehow > > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to > do. I am so > sorry > > for > > > them because in some ways I can really feel > their pain. > > > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Kyla and All, I generally agree. However, apparently because of confidentialy laws and that the murderer was a legal adult, the family was never notified of his hospitalization, etc. He seems to have been in that middle ground, like many High-Functioning BPs, who show one side (in his case, quiet, menacing and disturbed) while another side (enraged, murderous) was taking over, undetected. Apparently, he showed no previous signs of being an imminent physical danger to anyone other than himself, including his stalking behavior. Even if he was being watched, I'm not sure this could've been prevented. It's not like my FOO's physical and long-term abuse of me when I was a legal minor, when someone (such as an authority figure or other family member) should've contacted some authority to find out what I was enduring, forced some positive in that situation, and gotten me some help. What do you all think? One Non-BP Recovering Man --- kylaboo728 wrote: > Yes -- I agree. And I've never been a fan of > blaming the government > or the " system " , when all it is is this giant, > beaurocratic monolith > that is suppposed to personally serve thousands. > > In cases like these, we all have to watch out for > each other when > one of us is apprised of a possible danger to > others. So this leads > to my question: Why did his family simply let him > loose out there > into the population of that campus, and the world at > large? > > If I had actual knowledge from a professional that > my son, grandson, > cousin, friend, etc. had been diagnosed as a danger > to himself and > others, I would sound the alarm -- take steps to > make sure he's not > out in the world on his own. > > I just wonder what the family did to protect the > rest of us, since, > as the ones who were closest to his mental disorder, > they were our > line of first defense. > > Government and " system " bureaucracies close at 5:00. > The people > around the killer knew him best, and still unleashed > him. Like > watching a child take a knife into a schoolyard. > > -Kyla > > I know this tragedy is not > > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > > sad for the people directly affected by this > horrible horrible > > shooting. > > > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I > have been > crying > > for > > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been > as well. The > shear > > > terror those who survived must have experienced. > The awful loss > of > > > young promising lives. One of the professors > killed was a > holocaust > > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD > or other > > > psychological problems as a result, along with > any lasting > physical > > > problems. > > > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant > here, I'm just > > reaching > > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily > saddened by recent > > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the > students who > survived, > > or > > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events > really makes me sad > > for them. > > > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the > 23rd floor of the > > second > > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first > plane hit and > > > dissociated, and even though I have never been > in such a tragedy, > > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was > telling me. How > she > > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she > couldn't really > > describe > > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a > vegetarian and > developed > > > high BP, and how most of her conversation > refered back to 9/11 > > somehow > > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to > do. I am so > sorry > > for > > > them because in some ways I can really feel > their pain. > > > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 True -- in which case, there's simply nothing anyone could have done. Bad things happen in this world, and that's just a fact of life. We never know when our time is up, and because of malcontents or disturbed individuals, our time could be up sooner than we planned. My comments were more directed at people who DO know that a member of their family is disturbed -- Yates comes to mind. I still think she should not have been alone with those children. But, I did not know that in this particular case, the man showed no signs of disturbance to his family -- at least that hasn't been reported. But, if classmates report for the past couple of years that he behaved oddly and gave them the creeps, it stands to reason (in my mind) that he exhibited these behaviors in his own family, too. The violence, I think in this case, came as a surprise to everyone. -Kyla I know this tragedy is not > > > directly related to BPD, but I am just so > > > > sad for the people directly affected by this > > horrible horrible > > > shooting. > > > > > > > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I > > have been > > crying > > > for > > > > these people, as I imagine many of you have been > > as well. The > > shear > > > > terror those who survived must have experienced. > > The awful loss > > of > > > > young promising lives. One of the professors > > killed was a > > holocaust > > > > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD > > or other > > > > psychological problems as a result, along with > > any lasting > > physical > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant > > here, I'm just > > > reaching > > > > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily > > saddened by recent > > > > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the > > students who > > survived, > > > or > > > > the numb detatchment in recounting of events > > really makes me sad > > > for them. > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the > > 23rd floor of the > > > second > > > > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first > > plane hit and > > > > dissociated, and even though I have never been > > in such a tragedy, > > > > somehow I could understand exactly what she was > > telling me. How > > she > > > > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she > > couldn't really > > > describe > > > > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a > > vegetarian and > > developed > > > > high BP, and how most of her conversation > > refered back to 9/11 > > > somehow > > > > even though it's been 6 years. > > > > > > > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to > > do. I am so > > sorry > > > for > > > > them because in some ways I can really feel > > their pain. > > > > > > > > Melany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > > smell? > > > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > > smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 -- I hope you're coping as well as can be expected, and I'm so sorry you're going through this loss of your brother. How did your mother conduct herself at the service? -Kyla > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 -- I hope you're coping as well as can be expected, and I'm so sorry you're going through this loss of your brother. How did your mother conduct herself at the service? -Kyla > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 -- I hope you're coping as well as can be expected, and I'm so sorry you're going through this loss of your brother. How did your mother conduct herself at the service? -Kyla > I know this tragedy is not directly related to BPD, but I am just so > sad for the people directly affected by this horrible horrible shooting. > > KOs have a tendency to be very empathetic, and I have been crying for > these people, as I imagine many of you have been as well. The shear > terror those who survived must have experienced. The awful loss of > young promising lives. One of the professors killed was a holocaust > survivor. Many of those who lived will have PTSD or other > psychological problems as a result, along with any lasting physical > problems. > > I'm not going to try to be elegant or poignant here, I'm just reaching > out to the other KOs here who may be heavily saddened by recent > events. Seeing the pain in the faces of the students who survived, or > the numb detatchment in recounting of events really makes me sad for them. > > Yesterday, I spoke to a woman who was on the 23rd floor of the second > world trade center on 9/11. She saw the first plane hit and > dissociated, and even though I have never been in such a tragedy, > somehow I could understand exactly what she was telling me. How she > didn't know how her ankle was broken, how she couldn't really describe > what happend, how she lost 50lbs, became a vegetarian and developed > high BP, and how most of her conversation refered back to 9/11 somehow > even though it's been 6 years. > > These people in Virgina have a lot of healing to do. I am so sorry for > them because in some ways I can really feel their pain. > > Melany > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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