Guest guest Posted November 13, 1999 Report Share Posted November 13, 1999 It's great to know that Penny is doing better! And, she has a wonderful husband, what a sense of humor!!!!!!!!!! LOL! Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 1999 Report Share Posted November 13, 1999 It's great to know that Penny is doing better! And, she has a wonderful husband, what a sense of humor!!!!!!!!!! LOL! Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 1999 Report Share Posted November 13, 1999 Dan, I really like Penny and her sense of humor and I can see her husband is well suited for her. What a pair! They didn't even talk about the fact that if they inserted a drain, they could very easily infect her worse. Boy am I glad they stood their ground. For you younger people, this is something you learn to do with time and age. Trust me. Peg dbertles@... wrote: > Thank you all, my friends for praying for Penny. I received the > following regarding her stay at the bed pan hotel: > > Ah, the miracle of modern medicine. > > After a few laps from the trogh of pharmacology, my girl is both > feeling and > doing much better. The pain is gone, her LFT's are headed back towards > normal, > no fevers or chills. The Docs from Infectious Disease, Nuclear > Medicine, GI and > Transplant made a medically conservative decision to insert another > biliary > tube so they could positively ID the visiting villian and drain it off. > This, > they said, would allow them to medicate her better and would improve > her rate > of recovery. We said.... " wait just a minute....last time we were here, > she > responded to the meds in 48 hours. Lets wait 48 hours and see how she's > doing > before we start boring holes in her body. " > > " And by the way, just how much faster would she get better with the > drain? " > " Maybe a day or two " was their response. Then it got interesting and > went > something like this. We said, " You put her on meds and after 24 hours > she feels > good and is symptom free...what new meds would you put her on if you > knew > exactly what baterium/fungus was growing.? " " No change, " they said. > " We would > give her the same stuff. " > > " Oh?!?!?!, " we said ..... " that sounds like a knifty idea...now lets > focus on > the recovery time issue. If you put in the drain, she may improve in > 3/4 days > versus 4/5 days but the drain stays in for 45-90 days and has causes > significant life style issues. Doesn't that seem out of balance with the > overall best interests of the patient? " > > Long pause, shuffle, shuffle, multi-doctor huddle outside room while > woman in > next bed begins a profound and distinguished relationship with hed bed > pan. > Doctors reconvene at Penny's bed while woman next curtian over > rapsodizes on > the glories of Posturdepic plumbing. > > Doctors, say. " We'll, you know, if they meds don't work or if they stop > working, you could get sick again, and then we'ed have to call in the > radiologists...they don't work on weekends, you know.....and it would be > inconvenient...but there's only a very small chance that the meds would > stop > working, so we're comfortable with your decision. " > > Doctors depart amidst a crescendo of bed pan florishes from next > curtain over. > All is well and the 6:00 news is on TV. Oh boy, another politician with > a > solution to a problem that doesn't need fixing. > > Saturday dawns cold and gray along the northcoast. Penny reports a > lousy nite > due to " wet sheet " alarms from woman next curtian over. Otherwise feels > good > and wants me to bring her pencils and her crossword books. Other Docs > drift in > and out feeling good about their diagonostic skills, Pennys > improvement, and > their clever ways which avoided an unnesessary percutaneous > intervention...Yeah, right, whatever! Looks like the plan is now to > take her > off the IV meds, give her a pill, keep her around for a couple more > days and > then send her home. > > Thanks to you and the other cholAngels for the good thoughts. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > A shopper’s dream come true! Find practically anything on earth at eBay! > Come and browse the more than 2 million items up for bid at any time. > You never know what you might find at eBay! > http://clickhere./click/1140 > > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault//?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 1999 Report Share Posted November 13, 1999 Dan, I really like Penny and her sense of humor and I can see her husband is well suited for her. What a pair! They didn't even talk about the fact that if they inserted a drain, they could very easily infect her worse. Boy am I glad they stood their ground. For you younger people, this is something you learn to do with time and age. Trust me. Peg dbertles@... wrote: > Thank you all, my friends for praying for Penny. I received the > following regarding her stay at the bed pan hotel: > > Ah, the miracle of modern medicine. > > After a few laps from the trogh of pharmacology, my girl is both > feeling and > doing much better. The pain is gone, her LFT's are headed back towards > normal, > no fevers or chills. The Docs from Infectious Disease, Nuclear > Medicine, GI and > Transplant made a medically conservative decision to insert another > biliary > tube so they could positively ID the visiting villian and drain it off. > This, > they said, would allow them to medicate her better and would improve > her rate > of recovery. We said.... " wait just a minute....last time we were here, > she > responded to the meds in 48 hours. Lets wait 48 hours and see how she's > doing > before we start boring holes in her body. " > > " And by the way, just how much faster would she get better with the > drain? " > " Maybe a day or two " was their response. Then it got interesting and > went > something like this. We said, " You put her on meds and after 24 hours > she feels > good and is symptom free...what new meds would you put her on if you > knew > exactly what baterium/fungus was growing.? " " No change, " they said. > " We would > give her the same stuff. " > > " Oh?!?!?!, " we said ..... " that sounds like a knifty idea...now lets > focus on > the recovery time issue. If you put in the drain, she may improve in > 3/4 days > versus 4/5 days but the drain stays in for 45-90 days and has causes > significant life style issues. Doesn't that seem out of balance with the > overall best interests of the patient? " > > Long pause, shuffle, shuffle, multi-doctor huddle outside room while > woman in > next bed begins a profound and distinguished relationship with hed bed > pan. > Doctors reconvene at Penny's bed while woman next curtian over > rapsodizes on > the glories of Posturdepic plumbing. > > Doctors, say. " We'll, you know, if they meds don't work or if they stop > working, you could get sick again, and then we'ed have to call in the > radiologists...they don't work on weekends, you know.....and it would be > inconvenient...but there's only a very small chance that the meds would > stop > working, so we're comfortable with your decision. " > > Doctors depart amidst a crescendo of bed pan florishes from next > curtain over. > All is well and the 6:00 news is on TV. Oh boy, another politician with > a > solution to a problem that doesn't need fixing. > > Saturday dawns cold and gray along the northcoast. Penny reports a > lousy nite > due to " wet sheet " alarms from woman next curtian over. Otherwise feels > good > and wants me to bring her pencils and her crossword books. Other Docs > drift in > and out feeling good about their diagonostic skills, Pennys > improvement, and > their clever ways which avoided an unnesessary percutaneous > intervention...Yeah, right, whatever! Looks like the plan is now to > take her > off the IV meds, give her a pill, keep her around for a couple more > days and > then send her home. > > Thanks to you and the other cholAngels for the good thoughts. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > A shopper’s dream come true! Find practically anything on earth at eBay! > Come and browse the more than 2 million items up for bid at any time. > You never know what you might find at eBay! > http://clickhere./click/1140 > > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault//?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 1999 Report Share Posted November 14, 1999 I had the same type of interaction with my physician about an uncalled test procedure and was able to use common sense and deductive reasoning to talk them out of it. Don't they teach this in med. school. Glad to hear Penny is doing better!!!! Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 1999 Report Share Posted November 14, 1999 I had the same type of interaction with my physician about an uncalled test procedure and was able to use common sense and deductive reasoning to talk them out of it. Don't they teach this in med. school. Glad to hear Penny is doing better!!!! Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 Dan-- Thanks for the update on Penny. Just goes to prove how much input a patient should have on their care. I would document that if I were you. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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