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Sometimes it is important to get your facts straight before you jump

to conclusions. Reputable sources typically do have editors review

and audit the content prior to release. The article is very

accurate, as 59 million is almost a third. Let's review.

According the U.S. Census, who I believe keeps the most accurate

statistics regarding the American population:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

There were:

284,796,887 Americans as of the last census.

Now, if you look carefully, it also shows that 25.7% of those were

under the age of 18, or not adults as per the legal definition in

the United States of America. Now, since the study rounded to the

millions, I am going to do the same.

285,000,000 x 25.7% = 73,000,000 non-adults in the U.S. as of 2000.

Let's do some simple subtraction:

285,000,000 = total U.S. population

-073,000,000 = non-adult U.S. population

=212,000,000 = adult U.S. population.

Now, the article stated that 59 million Americans are obese. Let's

figure out how much that is:

59 / 212 = 0.27, or rounded, 0.3. Probably closer to a quarter

(0.25) than a third (0.33) but really since we're rounding the

distinction is very arbitrary. I hate to be so " anal retentive " but

it can be really annoying when people jump to conclusions and are

quick to try and devalue something simply because they are not

willing or ready to face the reality being shown.

So when you say, " 59 million is not a third. It's not ALMOST a

third. It's not even almost a fourth, " you are absolutely

incorrect. In is MORE than a fourth, and it IS almost a third. I

look around me, and I absolutely believe the 1 in 3 is obese. But

please, try to expand your views to more than just your world. The

rate of obesity varies from location to location. Just because

America itself has between 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 people doesn't mean one

particular county might not have 1 in 10 while another has 2 out of

3.

As for the long anti-fitness diatribe, spare me. And also, don't

give me the GOSH YOU'RE OVERREACTING CAN'T ANYONE TAKE A JOKE reply

that people commonly use when their actions don't meet with general

approval. I don't know what self-promises you are failing to fulfill

are causing such resentment against healthy people. No one here is

demanding that you follow BFL to a T or that you have washboard abs.

Rather, this is a community of people trying to help each other

obtain health and wellness, and centered around the success with

which BFL has empowered so many people to do so. Ridicule is a thin

disguise for envy.

I hope you can let go of some of that negativity over the holidays.

I won't be surprised if you take this as an " attack " or draw

something negative from it, but I sincerely hope you are beyond that

and can take it for the constructive criticism that it is, and use

it as an impetus to grow as a person rather than simply reacting

with anger.

I hope everyone has a blessed celebration of the day that hope was

born and the window to faith opened through Christ our King.

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I stand corrected - I didn't take the non-U.S. adult population into

account - wow - almost a third. At the end there though, I wasn't

making fun of healthy people.

The joke was that non healthy people can't be forced with laws to

eat right and exercise. It was not intended as an attack on healthy

people, but it WAS a joke, and sorry for any miscommunication. And

how it would be enforced, I thought, a cell with a drill sargeant

would be funny. How can you get such people to change their ways,

unless they want to? By locking them up and forcing them to eat a

certain way in a room with exercise equipment? So that was the

joke, bad though it may be. I hate explaining funnies to people.

However, if anyone is picking up any hostility from me, (which

seems to) you will notice, I have not been posting lately.

That is because I am not participating in what I consider irrelevant

posts that then build up into crescendos of total irrelevance: about

co-workers, lurkers, trolls and where is such-and-so, which build

into totally irrelevant, off-topic strings of banter, plus reading

the irrelevant banter from the trolls themselves.

While all this is fun and entertaining, I think we can find such-and-

so in the archives and e-mail them directly if we want to be in

touch with them. In addition, I need to keep the focus on my BFL

and not on these outside issues. They are not helpful to me. So I

will not participate in this. There is too much irrelevant, non-BFL

chatter on the list. I'd rather see postings of BFL questions,

contest questions, menus, workouts, help with plateaus and bumps,

etc. My joke at least brings it back to BFL.

So the one time I chime, in, bam! Here comes the Enforcer. And

your attack, which is what it is , despite the cleverly veiled

wording (generalizing some group you think I belong in versus naming

me) you chose, is personal and directed at me. And I resent it.

Like you said, people are too quick to jump to conclusions. My joke

(difficult to interpret though it was) at least was BFL relevant -

about nutrition, exercise, and getting those abs we all want.

If someone is new to the list, the banter here all must be very

confusing and cliquish. But you will find lots of nuggets of wisdom

here. We are a pretty friendly and humorous bunch, and

actually is one of the great mentors on our list, but we do go off

topic from time to time, especially during this holiday festivity

time. But there is a lot of insane behavior around holiday time, as

you must guess. Instead, you probably want advice and

encouragement. So don't be afraid to post your questions, workouts,

menus - there are good well-informed people here who will answer.

That is what I hope the future posts will mainly consist of.

I wish everyone a happy, healthy and safe holiday.

Jeff

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I stand corrected - I didn't take the non-U.S. adult population into

account - wow - almost a third. At the end there though, I wasn't

making fun of healthy people.

The joke was that non healthy people can't be forced with laws to

eat right and exercise. It was not intended as an attack on healthy

people, but it WAS a joke, and sorry for any miscommunication. And

how it would be enforced, I thought, a cell with a drill sargeant

would be funny. How can you get such people to change their ways,

unless they want to? By locking them up and forcing them to eat a

certain way in a room with exercise equipment? So that was the

joke, bad though it may be. I hate explaining funnies to people.

However, if anyone is picking up any hostility from me, (which

seems to) you will notice, I have not been posting lately.

That is because I am not participating in what I consider irrelevant

posts that then build up into crescendos of total irrelevance: about

co-workers, lurkers, trolls and where is such-and-so, which build

into totally irrelevant, off-topic strings of banter, plus reading

the irrelevant banter from the trolls themselves.

While all this is fun and entertaining, I think we can find such-and-

so in the archives and e-mail them directly if we want to be in

touch with them. In addition, I need to keep the focus on my BFL

and not on these outside issues. They are not helpful to me. So I

will not participate in this. There is too much irrelevant, non-BFL

chatter on the list. I'd rather see postings of BFL questions,

contest questions, menus, workouts, help with plateaus and bumps,

etc. My joke at least brings it back to BFL.

So the one time I chime, in, bam! Here comes the Enforcer. And

your attack, which is what it is , despite the cleverly veiled

wording (generalizing some group you think I belong in versus naming

me) you chose, is personal and directed at me. And I resent it.

Like you said, people are too quick to jump to conclusions. My joke

(difficult to interpret though it was) at least was BFL relevant -

about nutrition, exercise, and getting those abs we all want.

If someone is new to the list, the banter here all must be very

confusing and cliquish. But you will find lots of nuggets of wisdom

here. We are a pretty friendly and humorous bunch, and

actually is one of the great mentors on our list, but we do go off

topic from time to time, especially during this holiday festivity

time. But there is a lot of insane behavior around holiday time, as

you must guess. Instead, you probably want advice and

encouragement. So don't be afraid to post your questions, workouts,

menus - there are good well-informed people here who will answer.

That is what I hope the future posts will mainly consist of.

I wish everyone a happy, healthy and safe holiday.

Jeff

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Jeff -

Thank you for sharing that! I have been a bit in a negative/hostile

mood myself, no need to get into details of why but certainly not

fair to bring it out to the group. I am glad I posted that, however,

because your reply is very informative. In fact, it was a little

funny and if we can't step back and laugh about things (laughter is

medicine) then why not? Thanks for bringing that back into

perspective.

As for attack, it was not an attack, more of a defensive mechanism,

again, unwinding my negative energy in a total non-productive and

insulting fashion - doesn't make it right, makes it wrong, and I

sincerely apologize for that! I admire you for taking action to not

become embroiled in the arguments/negative exchanges, because those

can truly not go anywhere positive.

Your post is, in fact, what I would consider a BANNER standard for

how we should all conduct ourselves - despite some negativity being

thrown your way, you shared some inspiration and insight and helped

me turn to the mirror and learn something about myself. From the

bottom of my heart - thank you!!!!

I need to take this holiday to reflect on the stress I have allowed

into my life, and take steps to reduce it and resurface in a much

more positive mindset. Sometimes it takes a third party to make us

realize how trapped we become in our own emotions. I truly do

apologize and thank you for taking the time, which you were in no

way obligated to take, to explain yourself and help me develop

myself!

Happy holidays to you as well, and I look forward to learning from

my mistakes and becoming a better person in the process.

> I stand corrected - I didn't take the non-U.S. adult population

into

> account - wow - almost a third. At the end there though, I wasn't

> making fun of healthy people.

>

> The joke was that non healthy people can't be forced with laws to

> eat right and exercise. It was not intended as an attack on

healthy

> people, but it WAS a joke, and sorry for any miscommunication.

And

> how it would be enforced, I thought, a cell with a drill sargeant

> would be funny. How can you get such people to change their ways,

> unless they want to? By locking them up and forcing them to eat a

> certain way in a room with exercise equipment? So that was the

> joke, bad though it may be. I hate explaining funnies to people.

>

> However, if anyone is picking up any hostility from me, (which

> seems to) you will notice, I have not been posting lately.

> That is because I am not participating in what I consider

irrelevant

> posts that then build up into crescendos of total irrelevance:

about

> co-workers, lurkers, trolls and where is such-and-so, which build

> into totally irrelevant, off-topic strings of banter, plus reading

> the irrelevant banter from the trolls themselves.

>

> While all this is fun and entertaining, I think we can find such-

and-

> so in the archives and e-mail them directly if we want to be in

> touch with them. In addition, I need to keep the focus on my BFL

> and not on these outside issues. They are not helpful to me. So

I

> will not participate in this. There is too much irrelevant, non-

BFL

> chatter on the list. I'd rather see postings of BFL questions,

> contest questions, menus, workouts, help with plateaus and bumps,

> etc. My joke at least brings it back to BFL.

>

> So the one time I chime, in, bam! Here comes the Enforcer. And

> your attack, which is what it is , despite the cleverly

veiled

> wording (generalizing some group you think I belong in versus

naming

> me) you chose, is personal and directed at me. And I resent it.

> Like you said, people are too quick to jump to conclusions. My

joke

> (difficult to interpret though it was) at least was BFL relevant -

> about nutrition, exercise, and getting those abs we all want.

>

> If someone is new to the list, the banter here all must be very

> confusing and cliquish. But you will find lots of nuggets of

wisdom

> here. We are a pretty friendly and humorous bunch, and

> actually is one of the great mentors on our list, but we do go off

> topic from time to time, especially during this holiday festivity

> time. But there is a lot of insane behavior around holiday time,

as

> you must guess. Instead, you probably want advice and

> encouragement. So don't be afraid to post your questions,

workouts,

> menus - there are good well-informed people here who will answer.

> That is what I hope the future posts will mainly consist of.

>

> I wish everyone a happy, healthy and safe holiday.

>

> Jeff

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Jeff -

Thank you for sharing that! I have been a bit in a negative/hostile

mood myself, no need to get into details of why but certainly not

fair to bring it out to the group. I am glad I posted that, however,

because your reply is very informative. In fact, it was a little

funny and if we can't step back and laugh about things (laughter is

medicine) then why not? Thanks for bringing that back into

perspective.

As for attack, it was not an attack, more of a defensive mechanism,

again, unwinding my negative energy in a total non-productive and

insulting fashion - doesn't make it right, makes it wrong, and I

sincerely apologize for that! I admire you for taking action to not

become embroiled in the arguments/negative exchanges, because those

can truly not go anywhere positive.

Your post is, in fact, what I would consider a BANNER standard for

how we should all conduct ourselves - despite some negativity being

thrown your way, you shared some inspiration and insight and helped

me turn to the mirror and learn something about myself. From the

bottom of my heart - thank you!!!!

I need to take this holiday to reflect on the stress I have allowed

into my life, and take steps to reduce it and resurface in a much

more positive mindset. Sometimes it takes a third party to make us

realize how trapped we become in our own emotions. I truly do

apologize and thank you for taking the time, which you were in no

way obligated to take, to explain yourself and help me develop

myself!

Happy holidays to you as well, and I look forward to learning from

my mistakes and becoming a better person in the process.

> I stand corrected - I didn't take the non-U.S. adult population

into

> account - wow - almost a third. At the end there though, I wasn't

> making fun of healthy people.

>

> The joke was that non healthy people can't be forced with laws to

> eat right and exercise. It was not intended as an attack on

healthy

> people, but it WAS a joke, and sorry for any miscommunication.

And

> how it would be enforced, I thought, a cell with a drill sargeant

> would be funny. How can you get such people to change their ways,

> unless they want to? By locking them up and forcing them to eat a

> certain way in a room with exercise equipment? So that was the

> joke, bad though it may be. I hate explaining funnies to people.

>

> However, if anyone is picking up any hostility from me, (which

> seems to) you will notice, I have not been posting lately.

> That is because I am not participating in what I consider

irrelevant

> posts that then build up into crescendos of total irrelevance:

about

> co-workers, lurkers, trolls and where is such-and-so, which build

> into totally irrelevant, off-topic strings of banter, plus reading

> the irrelevant banter from the trolls themselves.

>

> While all this is fun and entertaining, I think we can find such-

and-

> so in the archives and e-mail them directly if we want to be in

> touch with them. In addition, I need to keep the focus on my BFL

> and not on these outside issues. They are not helpful to me. So

I

> will not participate in this. There is too much irrelevant, non-

BFL

> chatter on the list. I'd rather see postings of BFL questions,

> contest questions, menus, workouts, help with plateaus and bumps,

> etc. My joke at least brings it back to BFL.

>

> So the one time I chime, in, bam! Here comes the Enforcer. And

> your attack, which is what it is , despite the cleverly

veiled

> wording (generalizing some group you think I belong in versus

naming

> me) you chose, is personal and directed at me. And I resent it.

> Like you said, people are too quick to jump to conclusions. My

joke

> (difficult to interpret though it was) at least was BFL relevant -

> about nutrition, exercise, and getting those abs we all want.

>

> If someone is new to the list, the banter here all must be very

> confusing and cliquish. But you will find lots of nuggets of

wisdom

> here. We are a pretty friendly and humorous bunch, and

> actually is one of the great mentors on our list, but we do go off

> topic from time to time, especially during this holiday festivity

> time. But there is a lot of insane behavior around holiday time,

as

> you must guess. Instead, you probably want advice and

> encouragement. So don't be afraid to post your questions,

workouts,

> menus - there are good well-informed people here who will answer.

> That is what I hope the future posts will mainly consist of.

>

> I wish everyone a happy, healthy and safe holiday.

>

> Jeff

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I was just researching obesity statistics in Missouri a month ago and

we are in the top 10 states for the worst. Missouri ranks ninth in

the nation in the incidence of obesity, with at least 56 percent of

Missouri adults overweight and another 22 percent obese. The

prevalence of obesity in Missouri increased 65% from 1991 to 1998.

Obesity is a major risk factor for 64% of Missouri deaths.

This is only up to 1998 and I couldn't find any statistics mentioned

beyond that date for Missouri, but I would imagine that 5 years it is

even higher if it increased 65% over 7 years. That comes out to 9%

higher per year so I wouldn't be surprised if Missouri is as high as

34% obese and maybe 60-70% overweight, but that is only a guess from

looking around.

I found a 2002 report that says obesity affects 70 million Americans

and that includes children.

Andy

> Somehow I find this hard to believe:

>

> " The statistics show the need for such efforts. The number of obese

> adults has doubled in 20 years, and is now up to nearly 59 million

> people, or almost a third of all American adults. "

>

> What ninny edited that reporter at AP? At UPI they went through

> your stories with a fine tooth comb. 59 million is not a third.

> It's not ALMOST a third. It's not even almost a fourth. There are

> 280 million Americans. Divide 59 million by that. That works out

> to 21.1% percent. I look around me, I wouldn't say 1/3 are obese.

> Would you? But I might believe 1/5.

>

> Did you hear about the federal law soon to be enacted? Anyone on

> this list not practicing BFL will soon be committing a crime. They

> will be locked up in solitary with free weights and a stationary

> bike, and force fed a protein and a low glycemic carb at every

meal,

> forced to drink 8-10 glasses of water a day, and forced to do 3

days

> of intense cardio and 3 days of intense weight workouts with a

drill

> sargeant.

>

> The drill sargeant will enjoy taunting the prisoner by lifting up

> his or her shirt, pointing to his/her washboard abs, and saying, " 5

> percent bodyfat. " Before and after mug shots will be taken of the

> prisoner in a skimpy bathing suit. The prisoner will write a

> mandatory essay and do 84 days of planning and exercise journaling,

> showing an improvement in attitude and muscle tone, to be freed.

> Upon release they will receive a box of free Myoplex.

> Jeff

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I was just researching obesity statistics in Missouri a month ago and

we are in the top 10 states for the worst. Missouri ranks ninth in

the nation in the incidence of obesity, with at least 56 percent of

Missouri adults overweight and another 22 percent obese. The

prevalence of obesity in Missouri increased 65% from 1991 to 1998.

Obesity is a major risk factor for 64% of Missouri deaths.

This is only up to 1998 and I couldn't find any statistics mentioned

beyond that date for Missouri, but I would imagine that 5 years it is

even higher if it increased 65% over 7 years. That comes out to 9%

higher per year so I wouldn't be surprised if Missouri is as high as

34% obese and maybe 60-70% overweight, but that is only a guess from

looking around.

I found a 2002 report that says obesity affects 70 million Americans

and that includes children.

Andy

> Somehow I find this hard to believe:

>

> " The statistics show the need for such efforts. The number of obese

> adults has doubled in 20 years, and is now up to nearly 59 million

> people, or almost a third of all American adults. "

>

> What ninny edited that reporter at AP? At UPI they went through

> your stories with a fine tooth comb. 59 million is not a third.

> It's not ALMOST a third. It's not even almost a fourth. There are

> 280 million Americans. Divide 59 million by that. That works out

> to 21.1% percent. I look around me, I wouldn't say 1/3 are obese.

> Would you? But I might believe 1/5.

>

> Did you hear about the federal law soon to be enacted? Anyone on

> this list not practicing BFL will soon be committing a crime. They

> will be locked up in solitary with free weights and a stationary

> bike, and force fed a protein and a low glycemic carb at every

meal,

> forced to drink 8-10 glasses of water a day, and forced to do 3

days

> of intense cardio and 3 days of intense weight workouts with a

drill

> sargeant.

>

> The drill sargeant will enjoy taunting the prisoner by lifting up

> his or her shirt, pointing to his/her washboard abs, and saying, " 5

> percent bodyfat. " Before and after mug shots will be taken of the

> prisoner in a skimpy bathing suit. The prisoner will write a

> mandatory essay and do 84 days of planning and exercise journaling,

> showing an improvement in attitude and muscle tone, to be freed.

> Upon release they will receive a box of free Myoplex.

> Jeff

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I got your joke Jeff and I certainly didn't mean to start a

controversy over this article. I just amazes me that lawmakers think

they can write legislation forcing people to be healthy, not be obese

or whatever. The whole idea is a joke to me.

Why don't they look at what is working and that is people like the

ones in this group that are taking repsonsibility for their health.

We don't need to come up with excuses it is the governments fault

that we gain weight.

Andy

> I stand corrected - I didn't take the non-U.S. adult population

into

> account - wow - almost a third. At the end there though, I wasn't

> making fun of healthy people.

>

> The joke was that non healthy people can't be forced with laws to

> eat right and exercise. It was not intended as an attack on

healthy

> people, but it WAS a joke, and sorry for any miscommunication. And

> how it would be enforced, I thought, a cell with a drill sargeant

> would be funny. How can you get such people to change their ways,

> unless they want to? By locking them up and forcing them to eat a

> certain way in a room with exercise equipment? So that was the

> joke, bad though it may be. I hate explaining funnies to people.

>

> However, if anyone is picking up any hostility from me, (which

> seems to) you will notice, I have not been posting lately.

> That is because I am not participating in what I consider

irrelevant

> posts that then build up into crescendos of total irrelevance:

about

> co-workers, lurkers, trolls and where is such-and-so, which build

> into totally irrelevant, off-topic strings of banter, plus reading

> the irrelevant banter from the trolls themselves.

>

> While all this is fun and entertaining, I think we can find such-

and-

> so in the archives and e-mail them directly if we want to be in

> touch with them. In addition, I need to keep the focus on my BFL

> and not on these outside issues. They are not helpful to me. So I

> will not participate in this. There is too much irrelevant, non-

BFL

> chatter on the list. I'd rather see postings of BFL questions,

> contest questions, menus, workouts, help with plateaus and bumps,

> etc. My joke at least brings it back to BFL.

>

> So the one time I chime, in, bam! Here comes the Enforcer. And

> your attack, which is what it is , despite the cleverly

veiled

> wording (generalizing some group you think I belong in versus

naming

> me) you chose, is personal and directed at me. And I resent it.

> Like you said, people are too quick to jump to conclusions. My

joke

> (difficult to interpret though it was) at least was BFL relevant -

> about nutrition, exercise, and getting those abs we all want.

>

> If someone is new to the list, the banter here all must be very

> confusing and cliquish. But you will find lots of nuggets of

wisdom

> here. We are a pretty friendly and humorous bunch, and

> actually is one of the great mentors on our list, but we do go off

> topic from time to time, especially during this holiday festivity

> time. But there is a lot of insane behavior around holiday time,

as

> you must guess. Instead, you probably want advice and

> encouragement. So don't be afraid to post your questions,

workouts,

> menus - there are good well-informed people here who will answer.

> That is what I hope the future posts will mainly consist of.

>

> I wish everyone a happy, healthy and safe holiday.

>

> Jeff

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I got your joke Jeff and I certainly didn't mean to start a

controversy over this article. I just amazes me that lawmakers think

they can write legislation forcing people to be healthy, not be obese

or whatever. The whole idea is a joke to me.

Why don't they look at what is working and that is people like the

ones in this group that are taking repsonsibility for their health.

We don't need to come up with excuses it is the governments fault

that we gain weight.

Andy

> I stand corrected - I didn't take the non-U.S. adult population

into

> account - wow - almost a third. At the end there though, I wasn't

> making fun of healthy people.

>

> The joke was that non healthy people can't be forced with laws to

> eat right and exercise. It was not intended as an attack on

healthy

> people, but it WAS a joke, and sorry for any miscommunication. And

> how it would be enforced, I thought, a cell with a drill sargeant

> would be funny. How can you get such people to change their ways,

> unless they want to? By locking them up and forcing them to eat a

> certain way in a room with exercise equipment? So that was the

> joke, bad though it may be. I hate explaining funnies to people.

>

> However, if anyone is picking up any hostility from me, (which

> seems to) you will notice, I have not been posting lately.

> That is because I am not participating in what I consider

irrelevant

> posts that then build up into crescendos of total irrelevance:

about

> co-workers, lurkers, trolls and where is such-and-so, which build

> into totally irrelevant, off-topic strings of banter, plus reading

> the irrelevant banter from the trolls themselves.

>

> While all this is fun and entertaining, I think we can find such-

and-

> so in the archives and e-mail them directly if we want to be in

> touch with them. In addition, I need to keep the focus on my BFL

> and not on these outside issues. They are not helpful to me. So I

> will not participate in this. There is too much irrelevant, non-

BFL

> chatter on the list. I'd rather see postings of BFL questions,

> contest questions, menus, workouts, help with plateaus and bumps,

> etc. My joke at least brings it back to BFL.

>

> So the one time I chime, in, bam! Here comes the Enforcer. And

> your attack, which is what it is , despite the cleverly

veiled

> wording (generalizing some group you think I belong in versus

naming

> me) you chose, is personal and directed at me. And I resent it.

> Like you said, people are too quick to jump to conclusions. My

joke

> (difficult to interpret though it was) at least was BFL relevant -

> about nutrition, exercise, and getting those abs we all want.

>

> If someone is new to the list, the banter here all must be very

> confusing and cliquish. But you will find lots of nuggets of

wisdom

> here. We are a pretty friendly and humorous bunch, and

> actually is one of the great mentors on our list, but we do go off

> topic from time to time, especially during this holiday festivity

> time. But there is a lot of insane behavior around holiday time,

as

> you must guess. Instead, you probably want advice and

> encouragement. So don't be afraid to post your questions,

workouts,

> menus - there are good well-informed people here who will answer.

> That is what I hope the future posts will mainly consist of.

>

> I wish everyone a happy, healthy and safe holiday.

>

> Jeff

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