Re: Need multi-vitamin recommendation

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In a message dated 10/19/2001 10:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time,

ckelley100@... writes:

> A parent whose

> children are non-affected by autism wanted a recommendation for a

> vitamin that could be purchased anywhere (grocery store/Wal-Mart).

>

I don't mean to be flip, but I'd be tempted to tell her to forget

multi-vitamins and instead use digestive enzymes with highly nutritious food.

If one of her objections were that her children ate so few foods, making it

impractical, I'd want to tell her that she might try an elimination diet

(GFCF, for instance) to find out about allergies/addictions.

Not to belabor the point, but I believe there are way more children and

adults walking around in our world with significant allergies/addictions, who

don't have a clue as to why they are tired all the time, irritable, addicted

to TV, personality-disordered, etc., than anyone realizes. Now that I've

learned about my food related problems, I see it everywhere!

I could be wrong, of course, but " this is my story (for now), and I'm

sticking to it. " LOL

n

PS: Somewhat more seriously, I'd advise your friend, if my fantasy is out of

the question, to avoid grocery store vitamins, generally. A couple of years

ago I learned of a university study that rated the effectiveness of vitamins

and found that Centrum--very popular and available almost everywhere--was

toward the very bottom.

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For what it's worth:

I have both kids on Floradix " Kindervital " , if your friend has

reasonable access to a health store. (Ottawa seems to be rife with

them; I'm not sure what this implies...)

I chose it because I've been given to understand that liquid vitamins

are better absorbed. It's not GF; has wheat germ and malt in it.

Doesn't taste too bad, although my daughters aren't wild about it. I

hide it in Alice's V-8 Splash. [Philippa is big enough for me to

threaten her ;-)] It's pretty pricy and may not have the full

spectrum your friend is seeking.

Gail

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,

When you say that this mother's children are " not affected by autism " does

that mean that they are NT and have no restrictions about what is contained

or should be in the multi? Most of the widely avaialbe multi's are not that

great becaue the ones for kids generally have aspartame in them, which is not

just not good, it is actually BAD for everyone. They use it for chewables.

There are many available in health food stores that are flavored with fruit

juice, which is a little better on that front. I think she needs to be sure

that if she is relying o a multi, that it has multi vitamins AND minerals AND

trace elements. The trouble with an all-in-one is that the most widely

available ones aren't as complete as they should be, but the benefit amd

detriment is that usually, they have the complementary vitamins and the

antagonistic ones together..for example, if it has iron and Vitamin C (which

they usually do), the vitamin C helps the Iron to be more readily absorbed

into the body. However, if they have Iron and calcium (which they usually do)

the calcium reduces the bioavailability of the iron. Centrum Junior is fairly

complete and readily available and inexpensive, relatively speaking.

AMber

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My pediatrician said if your child ate a varied diet, vitamins should

not be necessary, so I think you have a valid point. I think most

parents do feel they are short-changing their child if they aren't

giving a vitamin.

> In a message dated 10/19/2001 10:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time,

> ckelley100@h... writes:

>

>

> > A parent whose

> > children are non-affected by autism wanted a recommendation for a

> > vitamin that could be purchased anywhere (grocery store/Wal-

Mart).

> >

>

>

> I don't mean to be flip, but I'd be tempted to tell her to forget

> multi-vitamins and instead use digestive enzymes with highly

nutritious food.

> If one of her objections were that her children ate so few foods,

making it

> impractical, I'd want to tell her that she might try an elimination

diet

> (GFCF, for instance) to find out about allergies/addictions.

>

> Not to belabor the point, but I believe there are way more children

and

> adults walking around in our world with significant

allergies/addictions, who

> don't have a clue as to why they are tired all the time, irritable,

addicted

> to TV, personality-disordered, etc., than anyone realizes. Now

that I've

> learned about my food related problems, I see it everywhere!

>

> I could be wrong, of course, but " this is my story (for now), and

I'm

> sticking to it. " LOL

>

> n

> PS: Somewhat more seriously, I'd advise your friend, if my fantasy

is out of

> the question, to avoid grocery store vitamins, generally. A couple

of years

> ago I learned of a university study that rated the effectiveness of

vitamins

> and found that Centrum--very popular and available almost

everywhere--was

> toward the very bottom.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gail,

Thanks, I'll let her know. If you have them in Ottawa, maybe KC has

them, too.

> For what it's worth:

>

> I have both kids on Floradix " Kindervital " , if your friend has

> reasonable access to a health store. (Ottawa seems to be rife with

> them; I'm not sure what this implies...)

>

> I chose it because I've been given to understand that liquid

vitamins

> are better absorbed. It's not GF; has wheat germ and malt in it.

> Doesn't taste too bad, although my daughters aren't wild about it.

I

> hide it in Alice's V-8 Splash. [Philippa is big enough for me to

> threaten her ;-)] It's pretty pricy and may not have the full

> spectrum your friend is seeking.

>

> Gail

[Guest guest]

,

My vote is this is bogus overall. I have a masters in agricultural

science and I just checked this with a Ph.D. in ag. We both agree

that, yes the soils have been depleted of nutrients from continuous

cropping, or they can be depleted from continuous cropping, BUT that

is why farmers us fertilizers for optimum growth. The plant will

contain the same vitamins and minerals when it gets it's nutrients

from the soil via fertilizers or via other means. The plant does not

discern where it comes from. Most of the time it takes up nutrients

in only one form anyway.

Manure may help the tilth, organic matter, and moisture content of

the soil, but it doesn't matter to the plant. In fact, there is less

nutrient leaching into ground water from chemical fertilizers than

manure because fertilizers are more targeted to the plant.

If a plant gets stressed from low nutrients, it tends to direct all

the nutrients it can into the reproductive structures: the fruits and

vegetables we usually eat. Leaves follow, then stems and roots.

My vote is also for eating the food+enzymes instead of supplements

when possible. Thanks for bringing this up. There is a lot of " stuff "

that needs sifting through.

.

[Guest guest]

The only semi-intelligent information I can possibly provide to this

discussion is that if the child eats the typical western world diet of

today, the foods are so well processed that I cannot see getting ANY

nutritional value out of them. Boxed cereal for breakfast, processed

bread and pbj sandwich with who knows what artificial fillers, dinner

from Pizza Hut or Mcs. If this is true, then I would recommend

purchasing a general multi-vitamin supplement from a health food

store.

Dana

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They are NT and can have anything. She heard me talking about the

enzymes to another mother who has a child with autism and just

ordered them. She figured I knew about vitamins, too, I guess and

asked my opinion. I felt kind of silly though, because I said I

wouldn't buy the usual kinds like I used to, but I couldn't really

give her a reason why she shouldn't. Her kids can have colorings and

additives, but she wants the best brand available.

I will mention all the good suggestions on the board.

Thanks,

> ,

>

> When you say that this mother's children are " not affected by

autism " does

> that mean that they are NT and have no restrictions about what is

contained

> or should be in the multi? Most of the widely avaialbe multi's are

not that

> great becaue the ones for kids generally have aspartame in them,

which is not

> just not good, it is actually BAD for everyone. They use it for

chewables.

> There are many available in health food stores that are flavored

with fruit

> juice, which is a little better on that front. I think she needs to

be sure

> that if she is relying o a multi, that it has multi vitamins AND

minerals AND

> trace elements. The trouble with an all-in-one is that the most

widely

> available ones aren't as complete as they should be, but the

benefit amd

> detriment is that usually, they have the complementary vitamins and

the

> antagonistic ones together..for example, if it has iron and Vitamin

C (which

> they usually do), the vitamin C helps the Iron to be more readily

absorbed

> into the body. However, if they have Iron and calcium (which they

usually do)

> the calcium reduces the bioavailability of the iron. Centrum Junior

is fairly

> complete and readily available and inexpensive, relatively

speaking.

>

> AMber