Re: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

[Guest guest]

Ice squize the little vessals it decrease th einflamation physically let s say i tis mostly when there is liquid stagnation if i understood well

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 12:53:27 PMSubject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

Hello,My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor car accident (whip lash).Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines: "....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless specifically ordered by our office."After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and articles on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group meetings, and attending several national and local Lyme conferences, this constaint never came up to be followed!Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or practitioner to follow this constraint?Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in physical therapy, and are routinely used.Many thanks,Adam

[Guest guest]

Ice squize the little vessals it decrease th einflamation physically let s say i tis mostly when there is liquid stagnation if i understood well

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 12:53:27 PMSubject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

Hello,My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor car accident (whip lash).Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines: "....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless specifically ordered by our office."After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and articles on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group meetings, and attending several national and local Lyme conferences, this constaint never came up to be followed!Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or practitioner to follow this constraint?Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in physical therapy, and are routinely used.Many thanks,Adam

[Guest guest]

Ice squize the little vessals it decrease th einflamation physically let s say i tis mostly when there is liquid stagnation if i understood well

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 12:53:27 PMSubject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

Hello,My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor car accident (whip lash).Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines: "....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless specifically ordered by our office."After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and articles on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group meetings, and attending several national and local Lyme conferences, this constaint never came up to be followed!Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or practitioner to follow this constraint?Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in physical therapy, and are routinely used.Many thanks,Adam

[Guest guest]

Hi Bonnie,

Thank you for your information.

So far, any information on this subject is in line with yours.

Again, many thanks.

Adam

>

>

> Adam, as a professional PT, I see no reason why ice and estim would be

contraindicated. In fact, as a lyme patient I have used them many times without

any adverse affect. I would actually say they have both been beneficial. Some

people do not do well with ice and if it is at all uncomfortable then of course

do not use. If someone were to be seen by a PT and that professional therapist

felt the patient would benefit then Im sure it wold be OK. Not sure why

Burrascano guidelines state that. As a disclaimer I am not advocating anything

and if one has any questions regarding there own health, they should contact

there MD and or consult with their PT, with a full disclosure of their medical

history. I personally have used ice, heat, ultrasound and estim many times with

very good results for all of my lyme arthritic conditions.

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: 777.yellow@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:53:27 +0000

> Subject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor car

accident (whip lash).

>

> Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines:

" ....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless

specifically ordered by our office. "

>

> After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and articles

on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group meetings, and attending

several national and local Lyme conferences, this constaint never came up to be

followed!

>

> Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or

practitioner to follow this constraint?

>

> Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in physical

therapy, and are routinely used.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Adam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bonnie,

Thank you for your information.

So far, any information on this subject is in line with yours.

Again, many thanks.

Adam

>

>

> Adam, as a professional PT, I see no reason why ice and estim would be

contraindicated. In fact, as a lyme patient I have used them many times without

any adverse affect. I would actually say they have both been beneficial. Some

people do not do well with ice and if it is at all uncomfortable then of course

do not use. If someone were to be seen by a PT and that professional therapist

felt the patient would benefit then Im sure it wold be OK. Not sure why

Burrascano guidelines state that. As a disclaimer I am not advocating anything

and if one has any questions regarding there own health, they should contact

there MD and or consult with their PT, with a full disclosure of their medical

history. I personally have used ice, heat, ultrasound and estim many times with

very good results for all of my lyme arthritic conditions.

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: 777.yellow@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:53:27 +0000

> Subject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor car

accident (whip lash).

>

> Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines:

" ....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless

specifically ordered by our office. "

>

> After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and articles

on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group meetings, and attending

several national and local Lyme conferences, this constaint never came up to be

followed!

>

> Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or

practitioner to follow this constraint?

>

> Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in physical

therapy, and are routinely used.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Adam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bonnie,

Thank you for your information.

So far, any information on this subject is in line with yours.

Again, many thanks.

Adam

>

>

> Adam, as a professional PT, I see no reason why ice and estim would be

contraindicated. In fact, as a lyme patient I have used them many times without

any adverse affect. I would actually say they have both been beneficial. Some

people do not do well with ice and if it is at all uncomfortable then of course

do not use. If someone were to be seen by a PT and that professional therapist

felt the patient would benefit then Im sure it wold be OK. Not sure why

Burrascano guidelines state that. As a disclaimer I am not advocating anything

and if one has any questions regarding there own health, they should contact

there MD and or consult with their PT, with a full disclosure of their medical

history. I personally have used ice, heat, ultrasound and estim many times with

very good results for all of my lyme arthritic conditions.

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: 777.yellow@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:53:27 +0000

> Subject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme Patient?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor car

accident (whip lash).

>

> Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines:

" ....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless

specifically ordered by our office. "

>

> After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and articles

on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group meetings, and attending

several national and local Lyme conferences, this constaint never came up to be

followed!

>

> Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or

practitioner to follow this constraint?

>

> Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in physical

therapy, and are routinely used.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Adam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lena,

I understand what you are saying. If an injury became worse after ice

treatments, in the way of Lyme type symptoms, then perhaps what you are saying

could be a factor.

From the responses I am receiving so far from various practioners, the ice and

electrical stim are giving positive improvements to their Lyme patients, in

matters of Physical Therapy.

I'm learning just like you! Am trying to be careful as my wife receives Physical

Therapy, so am collecting as much info as I can, from this Forum and other

contacts.

Many thanks.

Adam

In Lyme_and_Rife , Guyot Léna wrote:

>

> My own subjective speculation would be that Lyme pathogens like it

> cooler; they even tinker with our endocrine system to lower our temp.

> I find that if it's very cold in the morning and my hands have

> chilled, there's a lot more pain in them, which could/might mean that

> the critters have been attracted to the coolest place available.

> Just a theory. Dunno, really.

> Be well,

> Léna

>

>

> Adam, as a professional PT, I see no reason why ice and estim would

> be contraindicated. In fact, as a lyme patient I have used them many

> times without any adverse affect. I would actually say they have both

> been beneficial. Some people do not do well with ice and if it is at

> all uncomfortable then of course do not use. If someone were to be

> seen by a PT and that professional therapist felt the patient would

> benefit then Im sure it wold be OK. Not sure why Burrascano

> guidelines state that. As a disclaimer I am not advocating anything

> and if one has any questions regarding there own health, they should

> contact there MD and or consult with their PT, with a full disclosure

> of their medical history. I personally have used ice, heat,

> ultrasound and estim many times with very good results for all of my

> lyme arthritic conditions.

>

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: 777.yellow@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:53:27 +0000

> Subject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme

> Patient?

>

>

> Hello,

> My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor

> car accident (whip lash).

> Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines:

> " ....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless

> specifically ordered by our office. "

> After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and

> articles on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group

> meetings, and attending several national and local Lyme conferences,

> this constaint never came up to be followed!

> Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or

> practitioner to follow this constraint?

> Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in

> physical therapy, and are routinely used.

> Many thanks,

> Adam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lena,

I understand what you are saying. If an injury became worse after ice

treatments, in the way of Lyme type symptoms, then perhaps what you are saying

could be a factor.

From the responses I am receiving so far from various practioners, the ice and

electrical stim are giving positive improvements to their Lyme patients, in

matters of Physical Therapy.

I'm learning just like you! Am trying to be careful as my wife receives Physical

Therapy, so am collecting as much info as I can, from this Forum and other

contacts.

Many thanks.

Adam

In Lyme_and_Rife , Guyot Léna wrote:

>

> My own subjective speculation would be that Lyme pathogens like it

> cooler; they even tinker with our endocrine system to lower our temp.

> I find that if it's very cold in the morning and my hands have

> chilled, there's a lot more pain in them, which could/might mean that

> the critters have been attracted to the coolest place available.

> Just a theory. Dunno, really.

> Be well,

> Léna

>

>

> Adam, as a professional PT, I see no reason why ice and estim would

> be contraindicated. In fact, as a lyme patient I have used them many

> times without any adverse affect. I would actually say they have both

> been beneficial. Some people do not do well with ice and if it is at

> all uncomfortable then of course do not use. If someone were to be

> seen by a PT and that professional therapist felt the patient would

> benefit then Im sure it wold be OK. Not sure why Burrascano

> guidelines state that. As a disclaimer I am not advocating anything

> and if one has any questions regarding there own health, they should

> contact there MD and or consult with their PT, with a full disclosure

> of their medical history. I personally have used ice, heat,

> ultrasound and estim many times with very good results for all of my

> lyme arthritic conditions.

>

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: 777.yellow@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:53:27 +0000

> Subject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme

> Patient?

>

>

> Hello,

> My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor

> car accident (whip lash).

> Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines:

> " ....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless

> specifically ordered by our office. "

> After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and

> articles on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group

> meetings, and attending several national and local Lyme conferences,

> this constaint never came up to be followed!

> Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or

> practitioner to follow this constraint?

> Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in

> physical therapy, and are routinely used.

> Many thanks,

> Adam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lena,

I understand what you are saying. If an injury became worse after ice

treatments, in the way of Lyme type symptoms, then perhaps what you are saying

could be a factor.

From the responses I am receiving so far from various practioners, the ice and

electrical stim are giving positive improvements to their Lyme patients, in

matters of Physical Therapy.

I'm learning just like you! Am trying to be careful as my wife receives Physical

Therapy, so am collecting as much info as I can, from this Forum and other

contacts.

Many thanks.

Adam

In Lyme_and_Rife , Guyot Léna wrote:

>

> My own subjective speculation would be that Lyme pathogens like it

> cooler; they even tinker with our endocrine system to lower our temp.

> I find that if it's very cold in the morning and my hands have

> chilled, there's a lot more pain in them, which could/might mean that

> the critters have been attracted to the coolest place available.

> Just a theory. Dunno, really.

> Be well,

> Léna

>

>

> Adam, as a professional PT, I see no reason why ice and estim would

> be contraindicated. In fact, as a lyme patient I have used them many

> times without any adverse affect. I would actually say they have both

> been beneficial. Some people do not do well with ice and if it is at

> all uncomfortable then of course do not use. If someone were to be

> seen by a PT and that professional therapist felt the patient would

> benefit then Im sure it wold be OK. Not sure why Burrascano

> guidelines state that. As a disclaimer I am not advocating anything

> and if one has any questions regarding there own health, they should

> contact there MD and or consult with their PT, with a full disclosure

> of their medical history. I personally have used ice, heat,

> ultrasound and estim many times with very good results for all of my

> lyme arthritic conditions.

>

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: 777.yellow@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:53:27 +0000

> Subject: ?Electrical Stim / Ice Not Good for Lyme

> Patient?

>

>

> Hello,

> My wife has Lyme, and now needs physical therapy after a recent minor

> car accident (whip lash).

> Dr. Burrascano states on p32 of his Lyme Disease treatment guidelines:

> " ....physical therapy...... DO NOT use ice or electrical stim unless

> specifically ordered by our office. "

> After years of following this Forum, and reading numerous books and

> articles on Lyme Disease, and attending dozens of Support Group

> meetings, and attending several national and local Lyme conferences,

> this constaint never came up to be followed!

> Have any of you with Lyme ever experienced being told by a doctor or

> practitioner to follow this constraint?

> Ice and electrical stim are two of the most effective treatments in

> physical therapy, and are routinely used.

> Many thanks,

> Adam

>