Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 , I wonder if it is really soap or what they pass off as a soap product? It would be interesting to know. Also if there is the introduction of tap water into the product. I have some soap left that my grandmother made and I know nothing can live on that stuff! LOL She did not believe in what we call superfatting! ----- Original Message ----- From: Interesting, Is the general concensus that soap does not need an anti-bacterial agent? Being associated with a college, I've heard that in the microbiology labs they often culture the skum on soap and come up with quite a variety of bacteria. I don't know if its because of the soap skum being old or what. But I too was of the opinion that soap didn't need a preservative. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 > >I for one, would like to hear from others [the 1000 +] members on > >this list who seldome or never post, rather than just our resident > >chemist who seems to be the only one answering questions on this > >group. I am sure there are others who have ideas and references to > >share with this group. I'm new here and may be going out on a limb - eek! I feel that Sherry presented a point to this group that has valid aspects. However, in reading through the archives, I've noticed that the thread that seems to remain constant is that everyone wants research that backs a person's words. I can't blame anyone on this list for requesting data, as we don't personally know one another or know from what experience a person is speaking. Maurice is respected because he has much experience in his field and has earned trust on this list. I don't think that anyone feels that Maurice is the " only " voice, it's just that when he speaks, he backs up his statement with data that shows he's not just speaking off the top of his head. This also doesn't mean that there isn't another side to the research presented, just that a person that is expressing an opposing view needs to validate their statements with data links. I have quite a few friends that I hang out with in R & D who know the scoop about publishing research and shared some online research hangouts - I'm not taking sides here, but thought I would give a bit of credence to a few points that Sherry shared with us, as there are usually two sides to every issue, even with technical issues :-) I must admit, I was absolutely amazed at the amount of research, from reputable resources, that exists out there on the subject of negative affects of chemical additives/preservatives. All of the research sites I was given are flooded, as this issue is the topic of the day, so I just picked a few I personally found interesting. I think any search engine will pull up data on this topic. Though you may have to weed through sites that make statements without backing them, there are a great many that substantiate their data with references. I figured if it's research everyone wants in order to weigh this issue properly, then lets get some research posted :-) Not that I'm in the biz to change minds, but hope to validate Sherry's strength in coming forward with her statements! Here's a link that is most interesting ... it qualifies a lot of what has been stated about blindly trusting research. http://www.doctoryourself.com/history2.html Here is another interesting link, in which Avon shareholders insist that the company find safer preservative alternatives to Parabens ... claims made in this report are substantiated with reputable research links at the end of the citation. http://www.bcaction.org/Pages/LearnAboutUs/ParabensResolution.html Here is a link that has a link to the current report by CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) regarding all additives that negatively affect the body: http://www.chemicalbodyburden.org/rr_cheminus.htm This link provides information regarding the toxic effective of chemicals in toiletries ... after each statement is listed the resource that was used to validate the statement: http://www.health-report.co.uk/toxic_toiletries_chemicals_cancer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 , Virtually all that's been called " soap " , ever since the 1950's, is not soap. It's detergent. Soap is made from lye, oils and a liquid. Only this can be called soap in the stores. What everyone calls " soap " , if you look, will have the word " bar " on the wrapper. This is made from chemicals. hth, , an avid home soap maker wrote: > Being associated > with a college, I've heard that in the microbiology > labs they often culture the skum on soap and come up > with quite a variety of bacteria. I don't know if its > because of the soap skum being old or what. But I too > was of the opinion that soap didn't need a > preservative. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 , Virtually all that's been called " soap " , ever since the 1950's, is not soap. It's detergent. Soap is made from lye, oils and a liquid. Only this can be called soap in the stores. What everyone calls " soap " , if you look, will have the word " bar " on the wrapper. This is made from chemicals. hth, , an avid home soap maker wrote: > Being associated > with a college, I've heard that in the microbiology > labs they often culture the skum on soap and come up > with quite a variety of bacteria. I don't know if its > because of the soap skum being old or what. But I too > was of the opinion that soap didn't need a > preservative. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 , Virtually all that's been called " soap " , ever since the 1950's, is not soap. It's detergent. Soap is made from lye, oils and a liquid. Only this can be called soap in the stores. What everyone calls " soap " , if you look, will have the word " bar " on the wrapper. This is made from chemicals. hth, , an avid home soap maker wrote: > Being associated > with a college, I've heard that in the microbiology > labs they often culture the skum on soap and come up > with quite a variety of bacteria. I don't know if its > because of the soap skum being old or what. But I too > was of the opinion that soap didn't need a > preservative. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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