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Angie, the Conditioning Emusifier/regular BTMS - how much BTMS is in

there? I had assumed 25%, but I am guessing that I have been wrong

in my assumptions, and thus using too much BTMS in my conditioner

formulations (which would explain the " overconditioning " that has

been occurring regularly). Can you explain the % difference of

active cationic conditioners?

thank you kindly in advance,

Barbie

Sweet Scents LLC

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In a message dated 1/27/04 9:10:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

candles@... writes:

>

> Angie, the Conditioning Emusifier/regular BTMS - how much BTMS is in

> there? I had assumed 25%, but I am guessing that I have been wrong

> in my assumptions, and thus using too much BTMS in my conditioner

> formulations (which would explain the " overconditioning " that has

> been occurring regularly). Can you explain the % difference of

> active cationic conditioners?

>

> thank you kindly in advance,

> Barbie

> Sweet Scents LLC

>

Hi Barbie,

You are correct in your assumptions! The " regular " BTMS......Incroquat

Behenyl TMS........The Herbarie's BTMS-Conditioning Emulsifier is 25% active

compared with TMS-50 at 50% active.

It sounds like your hair may be begging for a change. Which formula are you

using for your conditioner? If you are using a formula with additional

conditioners added, such as GuarSilk or EmEster or other emollients, then you

may

want to switch to a lighter formula. If you are already using a " light "

conditioning formula, then you may want to use it for maybe every other shampoo.

I

personally like to switch back and forth on my shampoo formulas too. It just

sort of happens as a result of my experimentation, but I've noticed my hair

seems to enjoy the changes :)

A lot depends on hair type too. My hair is a bit below shoulder length and

is color treated/highlighted. It's naturally wavy and can tend towards

fly-away. I sometimes apply conditioner just to the ends of my hair or the

outer

portion--but I do tend to use it after each shampoo. My daughter, Amy, has very

long, very thick hair. It's not color treated. She uses the same shampoo and

conditioner every single day. I use GuarSilk and other

conditioners/emollients in both the shampoo and conditioner (Amy's Conditioner

in the

Formulary)--it's full of conditioners. She has no build up at all on her hair

and it's

really beautiful and in great shape. My oldest daughter, Kim, has short, baby

fine silky hair and requires a completely different shampoo and uses the

conditioner once in a blue moon.

Tell me more about your hair type, how is it over-conditioned? Which shampoo

and conditioner formula you are using? I bet we can figure it out.

Angie

The Herbarie

Natural Source Ingredients for Toiletries & Cosmetics

http://www.theherbarie.com

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In a message dated 1/27/04 9:10:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

candles@... writes:

>

> Angie, the Conditioning Emusifier/regular BTMS - how much BTMS is in

> there? I had assumed 25%, but I am guessing that I have been wrong

> in my assumptions, and thus using too much BTMS in my conditioner

> formulations (which would explain the " overconditioning " that has

> been occurring regularly). Can you explain the % difference of

> active cationic conditioners?

>

> thank you kindly in advance,

> Barbie

> Sweet Scents LLC

>

Hi Barbie,

You are correct in your assumptions! The " regular " BTMS......Incroquat

Behenyl TMS........The Herbarie's BTMS-Conditioning Emulsifier is 25% active

compared with TMS-50 at 50% active.

It sounds like your hair may be begging for a change. Which formula are you

using for your conditioner? If you are using a formula with additional

conditioners added, such as GuarSilk or EmEster or other emollients, then you

may

want to switch to a lighter formula. If you are already using a " light "

conditioning formula, then you may want to use it for maybe every other shampoo.

I

personally like to switch back and forth on my shampoo formulas too. It just

sort of happens as a result of my experimentation, but I've noticed my hair

seems to enjoy the changes :)

A lot depends on hair type too. My hair is a bit below shoulder length and

is color treated/highlighted. It's naturally wavy and can tend towards

fly-away. I sometimes apply conditioner just to the ends of my hair or the

outer

portion--but I do tend to use it after each shampoo. My daughter, Amy, has very

long, very thick hair. It's not color treated. She uses the same shampoo and

conditioner every single day. I use GuarSilk and other

conditioners/emollients in both the shampoo and conditioner (Amy's Conditioner

in the

Formulary)--it's full of conditioners. She has no build up at all on her hair

and it's

really beautiful and in great shape. My oldest daughter, Kim, has short, baby

fine silky hair and requires a completely different shampoo and uses the

conditioner once in a blue moon.

Tell me more about your hair type, how is it over-conditioned? Which shampoo

and conditioner formula you are using? I bet we can figure it out.

Angie

The Herbarie

Natural Source Ingredients for Toiletries & Cosmetics

http://www.theherbarie.com

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If you are already using a " light "

> conditioning formula, then you may want to use it for maybe every

other shampoo. I

> personally like to switch back and forth on my shampoo formulas

too. It just

> sort of happens as a result of my experimentation, but I've noticed

my hair

> seems to enjoy the changes :)

>

I would agree that changing shampoos and conditioners benefits the

hair, depending on types. Have you looked at FlexanII for removing

cationic build up? I'm currently evaluating it for a thermal protect

pre spray before curling or straightening:-

http://www.personalcarepolymers.com/Doc/EN/TSB/028018A.pdf

Dave E (still here occasionally)

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