Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I disagree. Lack of control definitely aggravates my situation (if I'm stuck somewhere and I can't get away from the trigger), but there have been many times where I am in complete control and it still has the same effect, the excruciating pain is there, but the anxiety is not, when I'm in control. Maybe it's different for everyone though! > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I disagree. Lack of control definitely aggravates my situation (if I'm stuck somewhere and I can't get away from the trigger), but there have been many times where I am in complete control and it still has the same effect, the excruciating pain is there, but the anxiety is not, when I'm in control. Maybe it's different for everyone though! > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 It's not control of the situation. It's control of the ACTION. that bothers us. These triggers are NOT high pitch hurtful sounds, they are just annoying to us. What I believe makes them get us so angry is, we have a trigger in that we can't control the action and make it stop. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 11:24 AM I disagree. Lack of control definitely aggravates my situation (if I'm stuck somewhere and I can't get away from the trigger), but there have been many times where I am in complete control and it still has the same effect, the excruciating pain is there, but the anxiety is not, when I'm in control. Maybe it's different for everyone though!>> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hmm its not the sound we have issue with but how we perceive the sound. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3Sender: Soundsensitivity Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:18:01 -0000To: <Soundsensitivity >ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Cause is CONTROL I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hmm its not the sound we have issue with but how we perceive the sound. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3Sender: Soundsensitivity Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:18:01 -0000To: <Soundsensitivity >ReplyTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Cause is CONTROL I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's part of the whole mystery of this problem. I find that when I'm in the car, the triggers are worse for this reason--I'm trapped inside with no where to go to escape. Also if someone who knows about my sensitivity triggers me, it's often worse than someone who doesn't know--the feeling of being a victim. It is very strange how a very similar sound, coming from 2 different places, can cause different levels of reaction. Many of us experience that children bother us less than adults, strangers less than people we see everyday, machines less than humans. It doesn't really make sense. When I wear earplugs, I feel more in control, and even though I can hear some sounds, they don't seem to bother me as much. I don't know if it because the impact of the sound is less or because I am in control. I do have a bit of a controlling personality, but I'm not sure if it's the cause or the effect of 4S. I was pretty laid back as a child, before puberty and 4S came along. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's part of the whole mystery of this problem. I find that when I'm in the car, the triggers are worse for this reason--I'm trapped inside with no where to go to escape. Also if someone who knows about my sensitivity triggers me, it's often worse than someone who doesn't know--the feeling of being a victim. It is very strange how a very similar sound, coming from 2 different places, can cause different levels of reaction. Many of us experience that children bother us less than adults, strangers less than people we see everyday, machines less than humans. It doesn't really make sense. When I wear earplugs, I feel more in control, and even though I can hear some sounds, they don't seem to bother me as much. I don't know if it because the impact of the sound is less or because I am in control. I do have a bit of a controlling personality, but I'm not sure if it's the cause or the effect of 4S. I was pretty laid back as a child, before puberty and 4S came along. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's part of the whole mystery of this problem. I find that when I'm in the car, the triggers are worse for this reason--I'm trapped inside with no where to go to escape. Also if someone who knows about my sensitivity triggers me, it's often worse than someone who doesn't know--the feeling of being a victim. It is very strange how a very similar sound, coming from 2 different places, can cause different levels of reaction. Many of us experience that children bother us less than adults, strangers less than people we see everyday, machines less than humans. It doesn't really make sense. When I wear earplugs, I feel more in control, and even though I can hear some sounds, they don't seem to bother me as much. I don't know if it because the impact of the sound is less or because I am in control. I do have a bit of a controlling personality, but I'm not sure if it's the cause or the effect of 4S. I was pretty laid back as a child, before puberty and 4S came along. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Yes, because you fix the leaky faucet, or turn of the computer, and those things don't give a care that you shut them off. The last sentence in your paragraph hits the nail on the head, at least for me. I notice that in most movies or tv shows, most every character that is chewing gum is either not very smart, a criminal and/or a bully. I am so grateful I can run and grab the remote and shut it off. The fact that I can't push a button to quickly eliminate the offensive sound, makes me panic. At least I can leave a room or building if people in them are making offending sounds, or go inside with double paned windoews when the birds are offensive. The thought of being trapped with offending sounds and no way of getting away terrifies me so bad I can't allow myself to think of it. Soundsensitivity , Lawrence wrote: > > I have had this problem since I was 5 and am 59 now. It is true that the sounds bother me even if they were computer simulated, but I think that the human component and the fact that it is another person making them makes it so much worse. Like they are deliberately trying to bother or hurt you. It think there is a big FEAR component to all of this. Fear of people,loss of control, being a victim, being over powered and abused etc. > Anyone else feel that way? > Mike L. > > > > > > Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROL > To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I don't think these sounds bother us because we have no control over them. Otherwise CBT would work with us. Just because we find relief when we can make something stop and can't always find relief when we can't make it stop does not mean the symptoms we suffer as a result of the offended sounds is because we lack control. believe its biological or physiological. HeidiSent from my iPhone Yes, because you fix the leaky faucet, or turn of the computer, and those things don't give a care that you shut them off. The last sentence in your paragraph hits the nail on the head, at least for me. I notice that in most movies or tv shows, most every character that is chewing gum is either not very smart, a criminal and/or a bully. I am so grateful I can run and grab the remote and shut it off. The fact that I can't push a button to quickly eliminate the offensive sound, makes me panic. At least I can leave a room or building if people in them are making offending sounds, or go inside with double paned windoews when the birds are offensive. The thought of being trapped with offending sounds and no way of getting away terrifies me so bad I can't allow myself to think of it. Soundsensitivity , Lawrence wrote: > > I have had this problem since I was 5 and am 59 now. It is true that the sounds bother me even if they were computer simulated, but I think that the human component and the fact that it is another person making them makes it so much worse. Like they are deliberately trying to bother or hurt you. It think there is a big FEAR component to all of this. Fear of people,loss of control, being a victim, being over powered and abused etc. > Anyone else feel that way? > Mike L. > > > > > > Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROL > To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I don't think these sounds bother us because we have no control over them. Otherwise CBT would work with us. Just because we find relief when we can make something stop and can't always find relief when we can't make it stop does not mean the symptoms we suffer as a result of the offended sounds is because we lack control. believe its biological or physiological. HeidiSent from my iPhone Yes, because you fix the leaky faucet, or turn of the computer, and those things don't give a care that you shut them off. The last sentence in your paragraph hits the nail on the head, at least for me. I notice that in most movies or tv shows, most every character that is chewing gum is either not very smart, a criminal and/or a bully. I am so grateful I can run and grab the remote and shut it off. The fact that I can't push a button to quickly eliminate the offensive sound, makes me panic. At least I can leave a room or building if people in them are making offending sounds, or go inside with double paned windoews when the birds are offensive. The thought of being trapped with offending sounds and no way of getting away terrifies me so bad I can't allow myself to think of it. Soundsensitivity , Lawrence wrote: > > I have had this problem since I was 5 and am 59 now. It is true that the sounds bother me even if they were computer simulated, but I think that the human component and the fact that it is another person making them makes it so much worse. Like they are deliberately trying to bother or hurt you. It think there is a big FEAR component to all of this. Fear of people,loss of control, being a victim, being over powered and abused etc. > Anyone else feel that way? > Mike L. > > > > > > Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROL > To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I don't think these sounds bother us because we have no control over them. Otherwise CBT would work with us. Just because we find relief when we can make something stop and can't always find relief when we can't make it stop does not mean the symptoms we suffer as a result of the offended sounds is because we lack control. believe its biological or physiological. HeidiSent from my iPhone Yes, because you fix the leaky faucet, or turn of the computer, and those things don't give a care that you shut them off. The last sentence in your paragraph hits the nail on the head, at least for me. I notice that in most movies or tv shows, most every character that is chewing gum is either not very smart, a criminal and/or a bully. I am so grateful I can run and grab the remote and shut it off. The fact that I can't push a button to quickly eliminate the offensive sound, makes me panic. At least I can leave a room or building if people in them are making offending sounds, or go inside with double paned windoews when the birds are offensive. The thought of being trapped with offending sounds and no way of getting away terrifies me so bad I can't allow myself to think of it. Soundsensitivity , Lawrence wrote: > > I have had this problem since I was 5 and am 59 now. It is true that the sounds bother me even if they were computer simulated, but I think that the human component and the fact that it is another person making them makes it so much worse. Like they are deliberately trying to bother or hurt you. It think there is a big FEAR component to all of this. Fear of people,loss of control, being a victim, being over powered and abused etc. > Anyone else feel that way? > Mike L. > > > > > > Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROL > To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I really hope that it is Biological or Physiological in origin. It seems that it would be more easily treated or cured. I just think it is a mind/body connection to most every type of ailment and abberation. I could be wrong though. Mike> > > > Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROL> To: Soundsensitivity > Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM> > > Â > > > > > > > >> > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??> >> > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Suffering from this for over 40 years I have desperately tried to figure out WHY these things bother me so much. When I think about the sounds that drive me nuts and movements like Hair Twirling, I can’t believe they actually bother me but when I hear or see them I get extremely irritated. I firmly believe it is form of OCD and some people have been cured of OCD. Short of a lobotomy I’m not sure what to do. It is a living hell sometimes. I would like to spend more time on this web site finding a way to fix or cure. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM >> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??>I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Suffering from this for over 40 years I have desperately tried to figure out WHY these things bother me so much. When I think about the sounds that drive me nuts and movements like Hair Twirling, I can’t believe they actually bother me but when I hear or see them I get extremely irritated. I firmly believe it is form of OCD and some people have been cured of OCD. Short of a lobotomy I’m not sure what to do. It is a living hell sometimes. I would like to spend more time on this web site finding a way to fix or cure. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM >> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??>I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Suffering from this for over 40 years I have desperately tried to figure out WHY these things bother me so much. When I think about the sounds that drive me nuts and movements like Hair Twirling, I can’t believe they actually bother me but when I hear or see them I get extremely irritated. I firmly believe it is form of OCD and some people have been cured of OCD. Short of a lobotomy I’m not sure what to do. It is a living hell sometimes. I would like to spend more time on this web site finding a way to fix or cure. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM >> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??>I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Interesting . . . since my 4S son also is diagnosed with OCD, I've often thought 4S might be a form of OCD because, similar to OCD, it's like there is a door in your brain that you can not shut, to tune out sounds, often even for a while after the sound has stopped (in OCD, the door won't shut on certain obsessions, for example to stop thinking about something). However, I also know that there are a lot of people in this forum who's 4S really does not seem to be related to OCD at all, so it may be different for different sufferers. From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of CSent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:22 PMTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: Cause is CONTROL Suffering from this for over 40 years I have desperately tried to figure out WHY these things bother me so much. When I think about the sounds that drive me nuts and movements like Hair Twirling, I can’t believe they actually bother me but when I hear or see them I get extremely irritated. I firmly believe it is form of OCD and some people have been cured of OCD. Short of a lobotomy I’m not sure what to do. It is a living hell sometimes. I would like to spend more time on this web site finding a way to fix or cure. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM >> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??>I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Interesting . . . since my 4S son also is diagnosed with OCD, I've often thought 4S might be a form of OCD because, similar to OCD, it's like there is a door in your brain that you can not shut, to tune out sounds, often even for a while after the sound has stopped (in OCD, the door won't shut on certain obsessions, for example to stop thinking about something). However, I also know that there are a lot of people in this forum who's 4S really does not seem to be related to OCD at all, so it may be different for different sufferers. From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of CSent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:22 PMTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: Cause is CONTROL Suffering from this for over 40 years I have desperately tried to figure out WHY these things bother me so much. When I think about the sounds that drive me nuts and movements like Hair Twirling, I can’t believe they actually bother me but when I hear or see them I get extremely irritated. I firmly believe it is form of OCD and some people have been cured of OCD. Short of a lobotomy I’m not sure what to do. It is a living hell sometimes. I would like to spend more time on this web site finding a way to fix or cure. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM >> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??>I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Interesting . . . since my 4S son also is diagnosed with OCD, I've often thought 4S might be a form of OCD because, similar to OCD, it's like there is a door in your brain that you can not shut, to tune out sounds, often even for a while after the sound has stopped (in OCD, the door won't shut on certain obsessions, for example to stop thinking about something). However, I also know that there are a lot of people in this forum who's 4S really does not seem to be related to OCD at all, so it may be different for different sufferers. From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of CSent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:22 PMTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: Cause is CONTROL Suffering from this for over 40 years I have desperately tried to figure out WHY these things bother me so much. When I think about the sounds that drive me nuts and movements like Hair Twirling, I can’t believe they actually bother me but when I hear or see them I get extremely irritated. I firmly believe it is form of OCD and some people have been cured of OCD. Short of a lobotomy I’m not sure what to do. It is a living hell sometimes. I would like to spend more time on this web site finding a way to fix or cure. Subject: Re: Cause is CONTROLTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:44 AM >> I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same??>I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 My personal opinion is that control is not the root cause, but rather something that just aggravates it. I know that I can't control the sounds others make and have never been a controlling person. But if I'm in an area where I can't get out (like an elevator) with a person popping gum, then yes... control is a problem. But not because I can't control that person popping the gum, but because I can't control myself and my reaction. The sounds are not the issue. The way we react is the issue. Why we react this way (so automatically) is what we need to find out. I know people don't do these sounds deliberately to me. I'm the one with something going on that is 'not normal', not them. It doesn't mean this is my fault for being this way, but its not their fault either... they are just living their lives too. I'm not afraid of people, or the sounds they make. My fear is how I will react to that sound. But, I've gotten better with that... I don't anticipate the sounds like I used to. My trigger sounds are actually a mixture of people sounds, animal sounds, and sounds from everyday things, so for me there is no relation as to whether its people generated or not. Its striking to me how the trigger sounds stand out compared to sounds that just annoy me. For example, I feed the squirrels (love those little buggers) and a feeder is on the tree 10 feet from my bedroom window. Its one of those boxes where you can fill it up and there is a lid that the squirrel can lift up/down. For the last couple months the little buggers have been slamming the lid and I get awoken by this " bonk " " bonk " " bonk " every morning at the crack of dawn. I then can't fall back asleep because of the noise. But you know what... its just annoying. I don't get that horrid feeling like I do with other sounds. But, if a dog barks or a bluejay squawks then instantly there is that panic, rage, anger. Instantly. Why are the two things so drastically different? They both woke me up and prevent me from sleeping. If it wasn't so dang irritating I'd be fascinated by this! LOL. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 My personal opinion is that control is not the root cause, but rather something that just aggravates it. I know that I can't control the sounds others make and have never been a controlling person. But if I'm in an area where I can't get out (like an elevator) with a person popping gum, then yes... control is a problem. But not because I can't control that person popping the gum, but because I can't control myself and my reaction. The sounds are not the issue. The way we react is the issue. Why we react this way (so automatically) is what we need to find out. I know people don't do these sounds deliberately to me. I'm the one with something going on that is 'not normal', not them. It doesn't mean this is my fault for being this way, but its not their fault either... they are just living their lives too. I'm not afraid of people, or the sounds they make. My fear is how I will react to that sound. But, I've gotten better with that... I don't anticipate the sounds like I used to. My trigger sounds are actually a mixture of people sounds, animal sounds, and sounds from everyday things, so for me there is no relation as to whether its people generated or not. Its striking to me how the trigger sounds stand out compared to sounds that just annoy me. For example, I feed the squirrels (love those little buggers) and a feeder is on the tree 10 feet from my bedroom window. Its one of those boxes where you can fill it up and there is a lid that the squirrel can lift up/down. For the last couple months the little buggers have been slamming the lid and I get awoken by this " bonk " " bonk " " bonk " every morning at the crack of dawn. I then can't fall back asleep because of the noise. But you know what... its just annoying. I don't get that horrid feeling like I do with other sounds. But, if a dog barks or a bluejay squawks then instantly there is that panic, rage, anger. Instantly. Why are the two things so drastically different? They both woke me up and prevent me from sleeping. If it wasn't so dang irritating I'd be fascinated by this! LOL. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 My personal opinion is that control is not the root cause, but rather something that just aggravates it. I know that I can't control the sounds others make and have never been a controlling person. But if I'm in an area where I can't get out (like an elevator) with a person popping gum, then yes... control is a problem. But not because I can't control that person popping the gum, but because I can't control myself and my reaction. The sounds are not the issue. The way we react is the issue. Why we react this way (so automatically) is what we need to find out. I know people don't do these sounds deliberately to me. I'm the one with something going on that is 'not normal', not them. It doesn't mean this is my fault for being this way, but its not their fault either... they are just living their lives too. I'm not afraid of people, or the sounds they make. My fear is how I will react to that sound. But, I've gotten better with that... I don't anticipate the sounds like I used to. My trigger sounds are actually a mixture of people sounds, animal sounds, and sounds from everyday things, so for me there is no relation as to whether its people generated or not. Its striking to me how the trigger sounds stand out compared to sounds that just annoy me. For example, I feed the squirrels (love those little buggers) and a feeder is on the tree 10 feet from my bedroom window. Its one of those boxes where you can fill it up and there is a lid that the squirrel can lift up/down. For the last couple months the little buggers have been slamming the lid and I get awoken by this " bonk " " bonk " " bonk " every morning at the crack of dawn. I then can't fall back asleep because of the noise. But you know what... its just annoying. I don't get that horrid feeling like I do with other sounds. But, if a dog barks or a bluejay squawks then instantly there is that panic, rage, anger. Instantly. Why are the two things so drastically different? They both woke me up and prevent me from sleeping. If it wasn't so dang irritating I'd be fascinated by this! LOL. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 There are a number of people here with OCD and 4S, and they have said that the very effective treatments for OCD (either Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) or certain drugs like Prozac) don't cure 4S, even when those treatments completely take away their symptoms of OCD. Some here have OCD, but some have ADHD, some have anxiety conditions like social phobia, and some have autism spectrum disorders like Asperger's syndrome or autism (e.g. because of tuberous sclerosis). It is well-known that autism spectrum disorders and also ADHD often have sensory problems, especially sound sensitivity issues. But many people just have plain sensory sensitivity of some kind - like our 4S - with no other disorder. If you have OCD it can be treated. Unfortunately, that will not cure 4S, although it may provide some useful skills for handling 4S better. Just ask Darlene about 4S, OCD, CBT, and how it all works. > > > > I thought a lot about our problems with sounds etc. I believe > the route cause is CONTROL of people or the lack of. I have NO problem > with a clicking pen but can go insane with the snapping of gum (same > sound). It's NOT the noise that irritates us but the annoying action ( > Hair Twirling}. At 52 years old and dealing with this nightmare since I > was 6, this is my conclusion. I'm sure other may feel the same?? > > > > I can relate to this. I tend to have more problems when the > sound is attached to people...for example the sound of a furnace coming > on is the same as my neighbors' closing car doors but the latter bothers > me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 CBT does help, as well as continually finding things to be positive about. Talking through your feelings with others helps to "de-stress" and gets the issues out on the table. Zoloft has been the only medication so far that had helps reduce the anxiety I feel with triggering noises. My doctor says he uses it for chronic pain, anxiety and several other issues, including OCD. I found 50 to 100 mg a day was best for me. To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 12:51:32 AMSubject: Re: Cause is CONTROL , that is great about doing CBT... give it time. You did say that the sounds have gotten "a lot more tolerable" which means something IS working. Just because the problem is not gone completely doesn't mean its not successful. Zoloft is an OCD drug but its also used for depression, social anxiety, panic attacks, etc... This could be helping you by reducing the amount of anxiety you feel which helps when you are learning CBT. Keep it up! >> I would tend to disagree. I'm 14 but have been dealing with this for nearly two > years. I began CBT about 6 months ago. It hasn't done much so far, but the > sounds have gotten a lot more tolerable. I don't have OCD, but I've been put on > 75 mg. of Zoloft. It seems to help, but I don't know if that's an OCD medication > or not. > > > > ________________________________> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 CBT does help, as well as continually finding things to be positive about. Talking through your feelings with others helps to "de-stress" and gets the issues out on the table. Zoloft has been the only medication so far that had helps reduce the anxiety I feel with triggering noises. My doctor says he uses it for chronic pain, anxiety and several other issues, including OCD. I found 50 to 100 mg a day was best for me. To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 12:51:32 AMSubject: Re: Cause is CONTROL , that is great about doing CBT... give it time. You did say that the sounds have gotten "a lot more tolerable" which means something IS working. Just because the problem is not gone completely doesn't mean its not successful. Zoloft is an OCD drug but its also used for depression, social anxiety, panic attacks, etc... This could be helping you by reducing the amount of anxiety you feel which helps when you are learning CBT. Keep it up! >> I would tend to disagree. I'm 14 but have been dealing with this for nearly two > years. I began CBT about 6 months ago. It hasn't done much so far, but the > sounds have gotten a lot more tolerable. I don't have OCD, but I've been put on > 75 mg. of Zoloft. It seems to help, but I don't know if that's an OCD medication > or not. > > > > ________________________________> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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