Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Dr. McCandless, What prompted your switch from TD DMPS to TD DMSA? Just curious as there are many people still using TD DMPS and it would be valuable to know why you switched. Thank you, L Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Dr. McCandless, What prompted your switch from TD DMPS to TD DMSA? Just curious as there are many people still using TD DMPS and it would be valuable to know why you switched. Thank you, L Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Dr. McCandless, What prompted your switch from TD DMPS to TD DMSA? Just curious as there are many people still using TD DMPS and it would be valuable to know why you switched. Thank you, L Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 I have always preferred DMSA, as it is safer, FDA approved, and I have had good luck with it in the past. However, the yeast infections always necessitated having to stop to heal the gut. Now that we have a very effective and successful TD form of DMSA, I prefer that. Some of our chemists have been saying the body needs time to equilibrate after a time of chelation, and the every other day ongoing may be too much for some kids. I have had three kids I know very well who had marked regressions on the DMPS, one of them taking almost 7 weeks to get back to his former self. My theory is that he was chelating faster than his body could handle. Currently I'm working up a child who made great cognitive gains on DMPS but started urinating all over himself throughout the day and night, after having been toilet trained for over 3 years. No urinary tract infection and no dys- biosis, but elevated BUN/creatinine ratios. Another two kids have very high BUNs that I am investigating - all this stuff has to go through the kidneys to get out, and I never had this problem with DMSA. Just about the time I began having these problems, Alan Israel at Lee Silsby's invented the new TD-DMSA, and thousands of kids are already using it showing it is every bit as effective as the DMPS, chelating 3 on, 11 off, or some of the bigger kids, 3 on and 4 off. It is less expensive and insurance is more apt to pay for FDA approved meds, as well. However, if kids are doing well on the DMPS without any abnormal lab values, I am not taking them off of it, I am just not starting anyone else out on it, and certainly will not give it to the kids who have had severe regressions on it. Dr. JM Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? > > > I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early > to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would > do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than > the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Thank you for all of this information, Dr. JM. How do you choose between the 3 days on, 11 off vs. the 3 days on, 4 days off schedules? I have a 5 1/2 year old who weighs 47 lbs, and we are close to beginning chelation. Thank you! > I have always preferred DMSA, as it is safer, FDA approved, and I have > had good luck with it in the past. However, the yeast infections always > necessitated having to stop to heal the gut. Now that we have a very > effective and successful TD form of DMSA, I prefer that. Some of our > chemists have been saying the body needs time to equilibrate after a > time of chelation, and the every other day ongoing may be too much for > some kids. I have had three kids I know very well who had marked > regressions > on the DMPS, one of them taking almost 7 weeks to get back to his former > self. My theory is that he was chelating faster than his body could handle. > Currently I'm working up a child who made great cognitive gains on DMPS > but started urinating all over himself throughout the day and night, after > having > been toilet trained for over 3 years. No urinary tract infection and no > dys- > biosis, but elevated BUN/creatinine ratios. Another two kids have very high > BUNs that I am investigating - all this stuff has to go through the kidneys > to > get out, and I never had this problem with DMSA. Just about the time I > began having these problems, Alan Israel at Lee Silsby's invented the new > TD-DMSA, and thousands of kids are already using it showing it is every > bit as effective as the DMPS, chelating 3 on, 11 off, or some of the bigger > kids, 3 on and 4 off. It is less expensive and insurance is more apt to pay > for FDA approved meds, as well. However, if kids are doing well on the > DMPS without any abnormal lab values, I am not taking them off of it, I > am just not starting anyone else out on it, and certainly will not give it > to > the kids who have had severe regressions on it. Dr. JM > Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? > > > > > > I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early > > to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would > > do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than > > the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Dr M, We have noticed that Jack has started wetting his pyjamas during the evenings quite a lot recently ie whilst still awake and downstairs watching videos. He is going to the toilet when he needs to wee but in between times he seems to leak!! Could this indicate stress on his kidneys from the DMPS? I guess his forthcoming bloods will tell us more?(Interestingly it doesn't happen at all during the day ) Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? > > > I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early > to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would > do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than > the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Dr. JM, you may have just solved a dilemma for us with my son, ! After several months of great gains on TD-DMPS we are seeing frequent daily and night urine " accidents " and was complaining of his back hurting. We have done liver function panels, urine tests for UTI, bladder etc and even an X-Ray for blockage, everything came back normal. I will take your post next week to my DAN! doctor to suggest changing over to TD-DMSA. Thank you! Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? > > > I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early > to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would > do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than > the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Dr. JM, you may have just solved a dilemma for us with my son, ! After several months of great gains on TD-DMPS we are seeing frequent daily and night urine " accidents " and was complaining of his back hurting. We have done liver function panels, urine tests for UTI, bladder etc and even an X-Ray for blockage, everything came back normal. I will take your post next week to my DAN! doctor to suggest changing over to TD-DMSA. Thank you! Re: Dr M: LDN vs Chelating -- Next Step? > > > I would love to think that would be the case, but it is far too early > to say. I would say that if your child is heavy-metal toxic, I would > do both, and I am recommending the TD-DMSA now rather than > the TD-DMPS. Dr. JM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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