RE: Has anyone heard of Arbonne?

[Guest guest]

A good place to start is _www.fda.gov_ (http://www.fda.gov) ... just put

Arbonne into the search on the home page there's over 300 entries. Usually not

a good sign.

Kelley

In a message dated 10/12/06 9:00:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

frieda.ebay@... writes:

At 06:51 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:

>Hi, I'm new here. First post. I'm a nurse and have a love for natural

>products. My sister-in-law started selling Arbonne and wants me to

>join. She's kind of like, in regards to safer, effective products and

>she is a skin care specialist. Was just wondering if ya'll had any

>opinion on Arbonne products or any insight that may help me with my

>decision. Your opinion counts!....Thank you........Belinda

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm here learning, also. I'm not sure I've posted yet, myself. I hope

that my view/opinion as expressed is okay to put here. I am always open to

change with some backup :-) as there is a lot of bad information out there

mixed with the good.

You might try the reviews at www.cosmeticscop.com. The couple of things

I've seen about Arbonne and their niche were not good.

On the natural side, there are too many ways (or should that be not any

restrictions?) to define 'natural,' from only using one natural ingredient

(I think I've read that some do this with the word 'organic' at times, also).

Preservatives, at best, are not natural, but are preferred to most

effectively keep the nasties out. I've often heard the comment that

'nasties are natural, so one or the other will be in there. Even if a

product is made under the most aseptic of conditions, problems occur with

the introduction of air, fingers, sometimes in the case of scrubs, water,

coupled with time. While I try to stay away from parabens (which from

reading and research appear to cause the most irritation)`1, I will

absolutely not compromise the safety of any handmade cream, scrub, or

lotion I make and give (or eventually sell - I'm still learning lotions and

creams) to anyone just to try to leave preservative off the label.

From the standpoint of lab results and word of mouth (or typing, as it

were) a lot of 'natural' preservatives are not preservatives at all, or

only work marginally with some antiseptic properties or antioxidants. Some

may be more aggressive to certain bacteria and mold, others only help with

oil rancidity issues (antioxidants) while the other nasties run rampant

throughout the product after the very first use. Not something I want to

mess with on someone's face or skin.

I am very leery of the title skin care specialist in regard to cosmetics,

and also tied to one product line. I don't mean that in an offensive way,

I've just had to learn to be very careful. My mother has very severe skin

allergies, with the accompanying horrible reactions (even having to wear a

sling on one swollen arm) even to products from Clinique and Almay, so I

hope it's okay for me to be a bit skeptical. She listened to these 'skin

specialists,' got her money back in most cases (I'm sure they didn't want

to pay her medical bills!) then had to go to a dermatologist, so now I

think they are the closest we have to skin specialists, and I disagree even

with some of them! I make soap, and I'm not too sure she has even tried

the bars I've given her (she's one of the reasons for my interest)! I told

her how to do the small skin patch test (and feel sure so did her

dermatologist), but you know, I can really understand her hestitation; and

I don't blame her. It was her own pain she had to deal with.

Color me skeptic. :-)

Frieda

At 06:51 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:

>Hi, I'm new here. First post. I'm a nurse and have a love for natural

>products. My sister-in-law started selling Arbonne and wants me to

>join. She's kind of like, in regards to safer, effective products and

>she is a skin care specialist. Was just wondering if ya'll had any

>opinion on Arbonne products or any insight that may help me with my

>decision. Your opinion counts!....Thank you........Belinda

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[Guest guest]

I know I'm usually a lurker, but this is my deal with Arbonne and from

being next to them at many a show!!

Some of their products are okay if you read the labels. Their makeup is

okay, if you read the lables. BUT, they go around touting that they

don't use any chemicals, that it is all natural! That is where they irk

me!!

When you look on some of their websites that list their ingredients, it

has dimethicone as a mineral, that it is derived from sand! I'm sorry,

dimethicone is a silicone which is manmade, it is not natural. The

compare this as dimethicone is derived from silica which is sand!! And

to quote from a friend of mine, dimethicone is derived from sand as we

are derived from Adam and Eve! It's kind of like saying Sodium

Laurel Sulfate is derived from Coconut. Ain't buying it!! It's

man-made and it's a chemical and it is not a natural product. Also, if

you look at the first ingredient in their Foot Cream, it is Triclosan!

So, as far as their body products go, they have much to be desired.

Needless to say, when I am shows with them and people come to compare

out items, I can say, you can eat most of my stuff!! It might be a bit

oily and even a bit salty Try that with theirs! Plus, I'm a lot

cheaper than they are and outsell them every time!

Now, I believe their makeup is a mineral makeup. From what I saw on

their ingredient list on that, wasn't much you could do with it.

Maybe they do have a good product, but if they gave full disclosure

about what was really in it, then fine. Don't try to cover it up by

saying it's all natural when it isn't.

Hopping off my soapbox now!!

Nikie Brown

After The Rayne - Handmade Soaps & Bath Products

http://www.aftertherayne.com

nbrown@...

Re: Has anyone heard of Arbonne?

A good place to start is _www.fda.gov_ (http://www.fda.gov) ... just

put

Arbonne into the search on the home page there's over 300 entries.

Usually not

a good sign.

Kelley

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this link. Good info for search, bad for some companies :-(

At 08:23 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:

>A good place to start is _www.fda.gov_

>(<http://www.fda.gov>http://www.fda.gov) ... just put

>Arbonne into the search on the home page there's over 300 entries. Usually

>not

>a good sign.

>

>Kelley

>

>In a message dated 10/12/06 9:00:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

><mailto:frieda.ebay%40cox.net>frieda.ebay@... writes:

>

>At 06:51 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Hi, I'm new here. First post. I'm a nurse and have a love for natural

> >products. My sister-in-law started selling Arbonne and wants me to

> >join. She's kind of like, in regards to safer, effective products and

> >she is a skin care specialist. Was just wondering if ya'll had any

> >opinion on Arbonne products or any insight that may help me with my

> >decision. Your opinion counts!....Thank you........Belinda

>

>

[Guest guest]

A good place to start is _www.fda.gov_ (http://www.fda.gov) ... just put

Arbonne into the search on the home page there's over 300 entries. Usually

not

a good sign.

Interesting. I read about 20 of those entries, randomly, and they were all

positive, asking the FDA to not cease production of natural alternatives to

Hormone Replacement Therapy. BUT, this is not exactly on topic re

cosmetics.

BBird

[Guest guest]

I read further also and found the same things. Most of those entries

appeared to be letters from individuals against Wyeth, a huge drug mfr, to

not bring suit about misleading label claims and due to the apparent lack

of regulation concerning those formulators since there doesn't seem to be a

'standardized' form of natural hormones with which pharmacists can agree on

in their formulations. I see Wyeth's move as money-based, but also

understand that misuse of hormone material (could be anything including

deriving from sterile horse urine as supposedly is their own)? Just put

" horse urine " in Google and see. I make no claims for or against any of

these topics, but I admit it makes me feel icky.

Now to be more ON topic, I think the FDA is a good reference, since some

labeling info for cosmetics can be found here:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab1.html

I did a few searches of some reputable cosmetic firms, and DID find FDA

warning letters to various of them regarding labeling, usually in the OTC

(drug) requirements. See:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html

And that within that, true soap without claims falls under the Consumer

Product Safety Commission, not FDA, and does not require ingredient

labeling, while those with synthetic detergents fall under the FDA.

Does that mean that the introduction or any use of a fragrance oil or

essential if synthetically derived or handled would apply? I have worked

on and supply labeling on my soap to include everything and wouldn't think

of not saying if my product contained any oil for which someone might be

allergic UNLESS by it's very composition the allergen is removed by process

of saponification (since I don't know that for sure).

At 10:28 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:

>A good place to start is _www.fda.gov_

>(<http://www.fda.gov>http://www.fda.gov) ... just put

>Arbonne into the search on the home page there's over 300 entries. Usually

>not

>a good sign.

>

>Interesting. I read about 20 of those entries, randomly, and they were all

>positive, asking the FDA to not cease production of natural alternatives to

>Hormone Replacement Therapy. BUT, this is not exactly on topic re

>cosmetics.

>BBird

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[Guest guest]

Man - don't get me started on that 'hokey' company! I was at the Southern

Women's Show with our product line and one of their reps got my business

card and sent me a sign up form in the mail with samples. I'd heard the

spiel hundreds of times how the line was 'all natural' so I was curious

about the ingredients - Some of the facial products contain Sodium Hydroxide

& Orange Oil (and it's not 5 or 10 fold) and let's not even mention the

abuse of other 'non-natural' ingredients in every product!

My question is - How do they get away with the bold face lies? Their reps

honestly believe the lies because they're too lazy to do the research on

their own. I may never be a HUGE company - but I will ALWAYS stand for truth

& integrity with my products!

>Rant Over<

Tammy Doering

The Mud QueenT

http://www.DeadSeaBulkMaterials.com