Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 Hi Mia, I was very interested to hear about your experiences. I already could see there would be potential problems with fruitarianism both related to sugar and acid (as well as HUNNNGGGRRRIIINEESS). But I suppose it depends a bit on what the nature of one's illness is. I should have mentioned that I had a bit of an attempt at veganism at one stage (for my CFS) and suffered greatly from hungriness and flatulence!! I found that by the time I had finished dinner and cleared it up I needed more food. So I went back onto eggs and cheese just to feel satisfied. However, I don't really think that I was organised enough. I found that beans were quite satisfying but am not really experienced enough at cooking them in a wide variety of ways (another problem can be boringness). Flatulence is no laughing matter as I work in a people-oriented field and the choice can be " should I suffer or should they??? " LOL By the way, my brief sojourn into vegetarianism of either kind did nothing to improve either my CFS or my VV - but I admit that it was brief (around one (very looonngg!!) month or so). I actually think I eat a pretty healthy well-balanced diet as it is. And I suspect that diet has little to do with my condition. But if there was a diet that was likely to help, I'd try it (already have tried a few, including anti-yeast regimes, without one iota of difference - except for feeling miserable and deprived and stressed by it all!!!) Daphne == daphne_j_60@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 Dear Daphne, As far as veganism goes if you don't already have alot of vegerables in your diet already you need to start ut slowly as your system can't handle all that fiber so soon. Have you tried " Beano " for flatuence. I use it as when I eat peas,broccoli,cauliflower,or beans woooooh! what a smell.....Also you shoud ea fruit on an empty stomach. I was just reading an article that said if you eat fruit with protein or other fatty things the potein and fatty things get digested first leaving the fruit to ferment.... As far as your diet, you say you are eating a healthy diet....whole grains, vegetables, fruits, etc. I have found that when I used to eat too many pretzels, crackers, etc I would get a great flareup. Just a thought. Michele D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 Dear Daphne, As far as veganism goes if you don't already have alot of vegerables in your diet already you need to start ut slowly as your system can't handle all that fiber so soon. Have you tried " Beano " for flatuence. I use it as when I eat peas,broccoli,cauliflower,or beans woooooh! what a smell.....Also you shoud ea fruit on an empty stomach. I was just reading an article that said if you eat fruit with protein or other fatty things the potein and fatty things get digested first leaving the fruit to ferment.... As far as your diet, you say you are eating a healthy diet....whole grains, vegetables, fruits, etc. I have found that when I used to eat too many pretzels, crackers, etc I would get a great flareup. Just a thought. Michele D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 Hi there --- i eat like a wee piglet and feel satisfied on a vegan diet. A massive bowl of oatmeal is an awesome filling breakfast. Almonds with sunflower seeds etc is a great filling snack. Veganism required me to invest in a bunch of new cookbooks. I remember when I made the decision (not a VV related decision) I was wondering what I was going to cook because my life revolved around chicken. Mossewood Low fat favourites is good, cooking Thai is delicious and veggie burgers (made with oats and beans and stuff) are filling and taste much better than shredded beef. Do you have yeast related problems? When I started the candida diet I felt massively deprived, had the worst torturous thoughts about sugary things and thought I was going to die without all my yeast friendly food. But then , after a month and a half, suddenly I ENJOYED eating the way I was. My candida diet ended a while ago and I still haven't reverted back to my old ways. I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though without guidance. Also, the fact that it cleared my allergies, headaches, IBS and yeast infections certainly helped me carry on. Good luck with what you decide to do! m At 02:29 AM 2/21/99 -0800, you wrote: > > >Hi Mia, > >I was very interested to hear about your experiences. I already could >see there would be potential problems with fruitarianism both related >to sugar and acid (as well as HUNNNGGGRRRIIINEESS). But I suppose it >depends a bit on what the nature of one's illness is. > >I should have mentioned that I had a bit of an attempt at veganism at >one stage (for my CFS) and suffered greatly from hungriness and >flatulence!! I found that by the time I had finished dinner and >cleared it up I needed more food. So I went back onto eggs and cheese >just to feel satisfied. > >However, I don't really think that I was organised enough. I found >that beans were quite satisfying but am not really experienced enough >at cooking them in a wide variety of ways (another problem can be >boringness). > >Flatulence is no laughing matter as I work in a people-oriented field >and the choice can be " should I suffer or should they??? " LOL > >By the way, my brief sojourn into vegetarianism of either kind did >nothing to improve either my CFS or my VV - but I admit that it was >brief (around one (very looonngg!!) month or so). > >I actually think I eat a pretty healthy well-balanced diet as it is. >And I suspect that diet has little to do with my condition. But if >there was a diet that was likely to help, I'd try it (already have >tried a few, including anti-yeast regimes, without one iota of >difference - except for feeling miserable and deprived and stressed by >it all!!!) > >Daphne > >== > >daphne_j_60@... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ta Da! See our new web site. http://www.onelist.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 Hi there --- i eat like a wee piglet and feel satisfied on a vegan diet. A massive bowl of oatmeal is an awesome filling breakfast. Almonds with sunflower seeds etc is a great filling snack. Veganism required me to invest in a bunch of new cookbooks. I remember when I made the decision (not a VV related decision) I was wondering what I was going to cook because my life revolved around chicken. Mossewood Low fat favourites is good, cooking Thai is delicious and veggie burgers (made with oats and beans and stuff) are filling and taste much better than shredded beef. Do you have yeast related problems? When I started the candida diet I felt massively deprived, had the worst torturous thoughts about sugary things and thought I was going to die without all my yeast friendly food. But then , after a month and a half, suddenly I ENJOYED eating the way I was. My candida diet ended a while ago and I still haven't reverted back to my old ways. I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though without guidance. Also, the fact that it cleared my allergies, headaches, IBS and yeast infections certainly helped me carry on. Good luck with what you decide to do! m At 02:29 AM 2/21/99 -0800, you wrote: > > >Hi Mia, > >I was very interested to hear about your experiences. I already could >see there would be potential problems with fruitarianism both related >to sugar and acid (as well as HUNNNGGGRRRIIINEESS). But I suppose it >depends a bit on what the nature of one's illness is. > >I should have mentioned that I had a bit of an attempt at veganism at >one stage (for my CFS) and suffered greatly from hungriness and >flatulence!! I found that by the time I had finished dinner and >cleared it up I needed more food. So I went back onto eggs and cheese >just to feel satisfied. > >However, I don't really think that I was organised enough. I found >that beans were quite satisfying but am not really experienced enough >at cooking them in a wide variety of ways (another problem can be >boringness). > >Flatulence is no laughing matter as I work in a people-oriented field >and the choice can be " should I suffer or should they??? " LOL > >By the way, my brief sojourn into vegetarianism of either kind did >nothing to improve either my CFS or my VV - but I admit that it was >brief (around one (very looonngg!!) month or so). > >I actually think I eat a pretty healthy well-balanced diet as it is. >And I suspect that diet has little to do with my condition. But if >there was a diet that was likely to help, I'd try it (already have >tried a few, including anti-yeast regimes, without one iota of >difference - except for feeling miserable and deprived and stressed by >it all!!!) > >Daphne > >== > >daphne_j_60@... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ta Da! See our new web site. http://www.onelist.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 <<I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though without guidance.>> I am curious, Mia, by what you mean about guidance? I am an vegetarian and have been for 10 years. I started out on the ethical bandwagon but found out several years later through an allergist that I am actually allergic to beef and pork(no wonder I was wretching all the time.) I still incorporate milk, eggs and cheese into my diet though. I want to do the yeast-free diet as I think my VV symptoms are yeast related. How did you do it since I feel deprived even just reading about the diet?????? Thanks alot and BTW, the Moosewood series of cookbooks is a MUST!!!! B-C Mailto:ZipSkpChia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 <<I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though without guidance.>> I am curious, Mia, by what you mean about guidance? I am an vegetarian and have been for 10 years. I started out on the ethical bandwagon but found out several years later through an allergist that I am actually allergic to beef and pork(no wonder I was wretching all the time.) I still incorporate milk, eggs and cheese into my diet though. I want to do the yeast-free diet as I think my VV symptoms are yeast related. How did you do it since I feel deprived even just reading about the diet?????? Thanks alot and BTW, the Moosewood series of cookbooks is a MUST!!!! B-C Mailto:ZipSkpChia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 <<I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though without guidance.>> I am curious, Mia, by what you mean about guidance? I am an vegetarian and have been for 10 years. I started out on the ethical bandwagon but found out several years later through an allergist that I am actually allergic to beef and pork(no wonder I was wretching all the time.) I still incorporate milk, eggs and cheese into my diet though. I want to do the yeast-free diet as I think my VV symptoms are yeast related. How did you do it since I feel deprived even just reading about the diet?????? Thanks alot and BTW, the Moosewood series of cookbooks is a MUST!!!! B-C Mailto:ZipSkpChia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 1999 Report Share Posted February 22, 1999 Hi there -- I just did the veggieism on my own but for the candida diet I went to a naturopath who did food allergy testing and put me on the anti-candida diet. for me, I needed someone to be responsible to in a way. Having the naturopath lay down the law meant I was a lot more committed. Just trying to do it on my own I would have cheated my heart out. Plus, I needed the supplements from her anyway to get rid of the yeast and parasites and support the good bacteria. a 'program' makes it easier i think Also, how far are you from vancouver. Dr. STeph is the naturopath i saw in Kitts, she also has a clinic out in Langely too. If you want I can give you her ###. I did feel mega deprived. But after years and years with VV i looked at it like an experiment and I knew if I cheated I would just be cheating myself. Plus, the feelings of deprivation and cravings go and then you start to feel great eating the way you do. I have become so much more in tune with my body. I used to always eat and get diarrhea sick and when you know exactly what does this to you you just don't bother anymore. if I have a beer, I get totally stuffed up and feel miserable, so its just not worth it. When you feel good, then you really notice these things --- they are not just a part of your life anymore. It is just really ncie have some degree of control over how I feel. I didn't have this before. Plus the candida diet is not forever, I was on it for three months and then you are allowed to slowly introduce things back in. SO now I have the odd G & T and vinegar in my salad dressing and stuff. I just don't over do it and binge on cookies and I stil don't eat bread etc. GOod luck. m At 11:20 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote: >From: ZipSkpChia@... > > > > ><<I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though >without guidance.>> > >I am curious, Mia, by what you mean about guidance? I am an vegetarian and >have been for 10 years. I started out on the ethical bandwagon but found out >several years later through an allergist that I am actually allergic to beef >and pork(no wonder I was wretching all the time.) I still incorporate milk, >eggs and cheese into my diet though. I want to do the yeast-free diet as I >think my VV symptoms are yeast related. How did you do it since I feel >deprived even just reading about the diet?????? > >Thanks alot and BTW, the Moosewood series of cookbooks is a MUST!!!! > > B-C >Mailto:ZipSkpChia@... > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We have a new web site! http://www.onelist.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 1999 Report Share Posted February 22, 1999 Hi there -- I just did the veggieism on my own but for the candida diet I went to a naturopath who did food allergy testing and put me on the anti-candida diet. for me, I needed someone to be responsible to in a way. Having the naturopath lay down the law meant I was a lot more committed. Just trying to do it on my own I would have cheated my heart out. Plus, I needed the supplements from her anyway to get rid of the yeast and parasites and support the good bacteria. a 'program' makes it easier i think Also, how far are you from vancouver. Dr. STeph is the naturopath i saw in Kitts, she also has a clinic out in Langely too. If you want I can give you her ###. I did feel mega deprived. But after years and years with VV i looked at it like an experiment and I knew if I cheated I would just be cheating myself. Plus, the feelings of deprivation and cravings go and then you start to feel great eating the way you do. I have become so much more in tune with my body. I used to always eat and get diarrhea sick and when you know exactly what does this to you you just don't bother anymore. if I have a beer, I get totally stuffed up and feel miserable, so its just not worth it. When you feel good, then you really notice these things --- they are not just a part of your life anymore. It is just really ncie have some degree of control over how I feel. I didn't have this before. Plus the candida diet is not forever, I was on it for three months and then you are allowed to slowly introduce things back in. SO now I have the odd G & T and vinegar in my salad dressing and stuff. I just don't over do it and binge on cookies and I stil don't eat bread etc. GOod luck. m At 11:20 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote: >From: ZipSkpChia@... > > > > ><<I feel like a healthy powerhouse. I couldn't have done it though >without guidance.>> > >I am curious, Mia, by what you mean about guidance? I am an vegetarian and >have been for 10 years. I started out on the ethical bandwagon but found out >several years later through an allergist that I am actually allergic to beef >and pork(no wonder I was wretching all the time.) I still incorporate milk, >eggs and cheese into my diet though. I want to do the yeast-free diet as I >think my VV symptoms are yeast related. How did you do it since I feel >deprived even just reading about the diet?????? > >Thanks alot and BTW, the Moosewood series of cookbooks is a MUST!!!! > > B-C >Mailto:ZipSkpChia@... > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We have a new web site! http://www.onelist.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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