. Re: OT- Plum Island/ ok so what do we think ?

[Guest guest]

I might be responsible for the slaughterhouse topic. I am sorry if it offended

you Jan, but I do believe that what we are eating plays a role in our illness

and therefore is relevant however, distasteful it may be. One of my biggest

concern is that I have worked so hard to eradicate Lyme and there is the

possiblility that we can get Lyme from tainted meat or raw milk products. I

have read theories that it can affect raw meat. If this is true, then that

might explain how my lyme showed up since I have eaten quite a bit of venison in

my life. Also the topic was a spin off of the Lab 257 discussion because cattle

were treated so inhumanely there.

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> > I personally am at the point where the conspiracy theory discussion ofthis

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> > discusaion about slaughterhouses without a change of subject .This has

> > nothing to do with lyme whatso ever.can we please keep on topic???

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> > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything

> > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth

> > ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller

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[Guest guest]

, I learned a few things from your slaughterhouse topic that made me think. It's not a cheery subject. Having lived several years of my life in a slaughterhouse town with one of the main thoroughfares passing right square down the middle of it, I saw some horrible things. I became a vegetarian for 35 years until babesia and other coinfections compromised my red blood cells and blood in general. I am still very careful of what animals I eat. I never thought about the venison/lyme connection. Wow. That is an eyeopener. Thank you, Subject: . Re: OT-

Plum Island/ ok so what do we think ?To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:50 PM

I might be responsible for the slaughterhouse topic. I am sorry if it offended you Jan, but I do believe that what we are eating plays a role in our illness and therefore is relevant however, distasteful it may be. One of my biggest concern is that I have worked so hard to eradicate Lyme and there is the possiblility that we can get Lyme from tainted meat or raw milk products. I have read theories that it can affect raw meat. If this is true, then that might explain how my lyme showed up since I have eaten quite a bit of venison in my life. Also the topic was a spin off of the Lab 257 discussion because cattle were treated so inhumanely there.

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> > I personally am at the point where the conspiracy theory discussion ofthis

> > topic is getting old and is causing me to delete the entire digest because

> > it has nothing to do with the healing of lyme.nNow it has morphed into a

> > discusaion about slaughterhouses without a change of subject .This has

> > nothing to do with lyme whatso ever.can we please keep on topic???

> > thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything

> > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth

> > ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

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[Guest guest]

, I learned a few things from your slaughterhouse topic that made me think. It's not a cheery subject. Having lived several years of my life in a slaughterhouse town with one of the main thoroughfares passing right square down the middle of it, I saw some horrible things. I became a vegetarian for 35 years until babesia and other coinfections compromised my red blood cells and blood in general. I am still very careful of what animals I eat. I never thought about the venison/lyme connection. Wow. That is an eyeopener. Thank you, Subject: . Re: OT-

Plum Island/ ok so what do we think ?To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:50 PM

I might be responsible for the slaughterhouse topic. I am sorry if it offended you Jan, but I do believe that what we are eating plays a role in our illness and therefore is relevant however, distasteful it may be. One of my biggest concern is that I have worked so hard to eradicate Lyme and there is the possiblility that we can get Lyme from tainted meat or raw milk products. I have read theories that it can affect raw meat. If this is true, then that might explain how my lyme showed up since I have eaten quite a bit of venison in my life. Also the topic was a spin off of the Lab 257 discussion because cattle were treated so inhumanely there.

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> > I personally am at the point where the conspiracy theory discussion ofthis

> > topic is getting old and is causing me to delete the entire digest because

> > it has nothing to do with the healing of lyme.nNow it has morphed into a

> > discusaion about slaughterhouses without a change of subject .This has

> > nothing to do with lyme whatso ever.can we please keep on topic???

> > thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything

> > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth

> > ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

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[Guest guest]

oh no! Not buffalo too! I just developed a taste for it. Lena, what red meat do you eat now?Subject: . Re: OT- Plum Island/ ok so what do we think ?To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:50

PM I might be responsible for the slaughterhouse topic. I am sorry if it offended you Jan, but I do believe that what we are eating plays a role in our illness and therefore is relevant however, distasteful it may be. One of my biggest concern is that I have worked so hard to eradicate Lyme and there is the possiblility that we can get Lyme from tainted meat or raw milk products. I have read theories that it can affect raw meat. If this is true, then that might explain how my lyme showed up since I have eaten quite a bit of venison in my life. Also the topic was a spin off of the Lab 257 discussion because cattle were treated so inhumanely there.> > >> >> > I personally am at the point where the conspiracy theory discussion ofthis> > topic is getting old and is causing me to delete the entire digest because> > it has nothing to do with the healing of lyme.nNow it has morphed into a> > discusaion about slaughterhouses without a change of subject .This has> > nothing

to do with lyme whatso ever.can we please keep on topic???> > thanks> >> >> >> > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything> > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth> > ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

oh no! Not buffalo too! I just developed a taste for it. Lena, what red meat do you eat now?Subject: . Re: OT- Plum Island/ ok so what do we think ?To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:50

PM I might be responsible for the slaughterhouse topic. I am sorry if it offended you Jan, but I do believe that what we are eating plays a role in our illness and therefore is relevant however, distasteful it may be. One of my biggest concern is that I have worked so hard to eradicate Lyme and there is the possiblility that we can get Lyme from tainted meat or raw milk products. I have read theories that it can affect raw meat. If this is true, then that might explain how my lyme showed up since I have eaten quite a bit of venison in my life. Also the topic was a spin off of the Lab 257 discussion because cattle were treated so inhumanely there.> > >> >> > I personally am at the point where the conspiracy theory discussion ofthis> > topic is getting old and is causing me to delete the entire digest because> > it has nothing to do with the healing of lyme.nNow it has morphed into a> > discusaion about slaughterhouses without a change of subject .This has> > nothing

to do with lyme whatso ever.can we please keep on topic???> > thanks> >> >> >> > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything> > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth> > ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

This is a very relevant topic, since the animals are still being used for experimentation and then the sick animals are the foundation of the vaccine industry. And with Plum Island being moved to Kansas in the middle of cattle country, the disease breeders will be put right at a strategic pont for the whole food system to be tainted. Some of you heard it in the Ventura video, "sure our guys breathe the viruses right in and go home with them, that's why they aren't allowed to go to a pet store."

Lyme research money continues to go to these animal programs, year after year, but somehow the research turns into kingdom building for patents and never ends up being used to help the patient get better. How many times to I have to read about a guy getting grant money to infect dogs and mice, to hear over and over that his animals are chronically sick, and then hear from my doctors (some from the same programs that get the money studying chronic Lyme in animals) that Lyme just goes away? There is something really wrong about that, and it affects every single one of us.

Anyway, with the knowledge we have, well, we have first hand experience on these bioweapons. Some of us actually have strains that were modified there, so we have every right to talk about it. I for one will not ignore what is being done to the younger generation and pretend its not happening. It is alll too real for all of us. So, you know, I will have tact with you all here, because you want to get well, and I don't blame you a bit, I want that for all of us.

But at the same time, this complete silence from the nation is equivelant in all ways to pretending HIV doesn't exist. I will just leave it at that. I do want the best for everyone here and do see you as a spark of intellectual hope and information that can be used when the nation is ready to hear. I said my peace, thank you. Jen

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 4:50:00 PMSubject: . Re: OT- Plum Island/ ok so what do we think ?

I might be responsible for the slaughterhouse topic. I am sorry if it offended you Jan, but I do believe that what we are eating plays a role in our illness and therefore is relevant however, distasteful it may be. One of my biggest concern is that I have worked so hard to eradicate Lyme and there is the possiblility that we can get Lyme from tainted meat or raw milk products. I have read theories that it can affect raw meat. If this is true, then that might explain how my lyme showed up since I have eaten quite a bit of venison in my life. Also the topic was a spin off of the Lab 257 discussion because cattle were treated so inhumanely there.> > >> >> > I personally am at the point where the conspiracy theory discussion ofthis> > topic is getting old and is causing me to delete the entire digest because> > it has nothing to do with the healing of lyme.nNow it has morphed into a> > discusaion about slaughterhouses without a change of subject .This has> > nothing to do with lyme whatso ever.can we please keep on topic???> > thanks> >> >> >> > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything> > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth> > ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> >> >> > > >>