Re: Gold Crowns

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>Delivered-clearwater.net-syensen@...

>This makes me quite curious about the comments from 's Doctor. Just

>how is it, , he handles placing glass in the mouth without a metal

>substrate and without baking?

Geoff,

The glass crowns are made and bonded to the teeth. Have you ever read

about glass ionomers? For instance was the glass you are looking out

off(the window) always hard shiny and transparent as it is now?

Have you seen the " Blue light " the dentists use to bond? These materials

are hardened by electricity----rapidly moving electrons. Once these are

on, they stay there and are very durable.

This is how they rebuild teeth with glass. Oh I wish you could talk with

Dr. Baird. He is a nice guy (old hippy I was told, seems he just cut off

his long hair) Not that , that makes any difference, but he is a real guy

and will give you the real story about the new stuff. It is his passion.

Not just for himself but for anyone he can teach it too. Amazing

person.(have you ever heard me say something really nice about a doc?

well..........)

Here is an example of the gold. I was extemely poor at one time. I had to

have two teeth with gold crowns pulled (at the beginning of my illness

before we knew what was happening--nerve putrification)

I wanted to take them to a jeweler and get the money from them. The

dentist said, " no, these aren't worth anything (like heck! I paid $$$$$ for

them) So I insisted on walking out of there with them. I even went to

jewelry makers where they melt gold and make things. NO ONE would have

anything to do with what I was calling gold as it was so contaminated with

other metals that the time and expertise it would take to separate

wouldn't be worth it and the amount of good would be circumspect. So here

in my hand I had 3 months house payments and more and it was worthless.

Not being to bright then(ahem!) I didn't put together that the other crowns

in my mouth that were gold were useless too.

In the " old days " dentists actually put gold crowns over amalgum fillings.

After all the amalgum was inert and so forth.

You have been sold a story about glass. I have these now for 5 years, much

better than anything and fit better in my mouth. Talk to Dr Baird in

Seatttle which is where I did this and get to know the truth about this

stuff. He teaches and would probably be more than glad to teach your docs.

The new ones are great. This wearing business you are talking about just

isn't true. You cannot however use your teeth to open bottles or put on

pillow cases or what ever else you ever used them for before, assuming you

did. Every once in a while I want to hold something in my mouth and I

remember not to do that.

I don't think whoever you are talking to knows about the strength of the

new materials and glass. They would abviously be astounded. The expertise

is a step above what they might know but if they are good they should be

able to learn in 2 all day working on real people week ends.

Every tooth in my mouth has glass on it as some were just " going away " due

to various toxicities I had. So to save them we crowned them. Bad

experience to have like crumbs in your mouth and have them be your teeth.

It is so nice now to have good strong teeth that I can depend on and care

for easily. That won't interact with salt or enzymes or other stuff I might

have in my mouth.

So, I don't have any pages to give you about what to use. I only know that

there is also zinc in the gold and can have other metals. Zinc can be bad

in your mouth. The crowns and the work I had done I am sure could not have

cost anymore than you will be charged for gold that is not really gold. but

an alloy of gold.

This is not good news I am sure. I hate it when I think I have made the

informed choice about something and someone rocks my boat. That is the

hardest thing. Maybe the gold is the best for you. You trust your dentist

and seem happy to be doing what you are doing. If you have peace of mind

then maybe that is more important than what ever metal it is or isn't.

Light is " Living in God's Holy Thoughts. "

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I have recently gone through a lengthy and tedious process to safely

remove all of my amalgam fillings...17 of them. I chose to use my

dentist of 10 years and we followed the advised 'safe' protocol

completely. My question is this:

I have one crown in place, what my " traditional " dentist refers to as

" high noble " - some mixture of high noble metals? In any case, I am

wondering if I can safely chelate with this in my mouth. There is no

amalgam underneath this crown, as he removed it when the crown was

placed 5 or 6 years ago. My dentist has been wonderful through all of

this, but truly doesn't know answers to all of these questions.

Before I begin the chelation protocol, I wanted to confirm safety here.

Thank you in advance for all of your help and support.

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A lot of " high nobel " crowns in the U.S. have palladium, which is

as immune reactive and toxic as mercury.

Its caused a lot of problems and banned from use in some European

countries, like Switzerland. But most metal crowns have amalgam

underneath, and this is even worse

than a filling regarding mercury exposure, due to galvanic action of

mixed metals. Documentation on my amalgam page. Your dentist should

know whether there is amalgam underneath. (there

is in most cases). If not, its possible to drill a small hole and then

fill the hole if

none is underneath. This is often done.

Bernie

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<<Bernie said: >>

> A lot of " high nobel " crowns in the U.S. have palladium, which is

>as immune reactive and toxic as mercury.

>Its caused a lot of problems and banned from use in some European

>countries, like Switzerland. But most metal crowns have amalgam

>underneath, and this is even worse

>than a filling regarding mercury exposure, due to galvanic action of

>mixed metals. Documentation on my amalgam page. Your dentist should

>know whether there is amalgam underneath. (there

>is in most cases). If not, its possible to drill a small hole and then

>fill the hole if

>none is underneath. This is often done.

>Bernie

Bernie:

I have a gold crown (placed last year) which is Golden Gate brand

of " premium gold " . How would I find out if it has palladium in it?

[The crown was placed by a dentist who is on the board of the

IAOMT (International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology).

I also can contact the company that made the crown if that would

help--- I've called them before --- I borrowed

a piece of the gold from them and had it muscle tested prior

to having the crown made.]

THANKS for any advice on this.

Moria

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I have a gold crown (placed last year) which is Golden Gate brand

of " premium gold " . How would I find out if it has palladium in it?

[The crown was placed by a dentist who is on the board of the

IAOMT (International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology).

I also can contact the company that made the crown if that would

help--- I've called them before --- I borrowed

a piece of the gold from them and had it muscle tested prior

to having the crown made.]

THANKS for any advice on this. Moria

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The manufacturer knows; web search often finds their web

site and info;

Clifford lab knows in a lot of cases. Dentist should know, but most

don't pay much attention, even

" mercury-free " dentists to things like this. Most thing have a material

safety data sheet. Some other ones commonly used can cause problems,

like Indium, etc. Most dentists seem to have had little if any training

in toxicology and biocompatibility. Do a web search for the name

yours has as a start.

Bernie

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There is usually some kind of tooth revision under the crown that

requires a repair agent. Unless you specifically ask for NO amalgam,

you usually get the amalgam build up for this. Mercury in concert

with gold is a particularly nasty conbination acc to Huggins.

Please see Huggins, Hal, It's All In Your Head

Huggins, Hal, Solving the MS Mystery; Help, Hope and Recovery

Althoug it looks like gold, I would doubt that any gold crown is 100%

gold. You might want to ask your dentist about the composition. For

instance, our daughter had 'stainless steel' spacer bar and braces

for years. When her first testings came back VERY high in nickel and

chromium, the metal in her mouth was the only thing I could think of

for exposure. When the orthodontist checked, those wires were almost

10% nickeland 20% chromium. Getting them out of her mouth reduced the

numbers quite quickly.

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Not trying to start a new subject, but my friend who has all kinds of neurological problems and has been diagnsed with everything under the sun, had a mouth full of metals. Top and bottom teeth. Our alternative doc took one look in her mouth and said, "It's no wonder you have shooting electrical shocks up and down your body. You basically have a battery in your head!" She has had a holistic dentist do lots of work, but still has lots of problems. She tried LDN, but had problems sleeping, so she quit. I really think it would help her if she would stick with it. MARCIE mbrookh <mbrookh@...> wrote: There is usually some kind of tooth revision under the crown that requires a repair agent. Unless you specifically ask for NO amalgam, you usually get the amalgam build up for this. Mercury in concert with gold is a particularly nasty conbination acc to Huggins.Please see Huggins, Hal, It's All In Your HeadHuggins, Hal, Solving the MS Mystery; Help, Hope and RecoveryAlthoug it looks like gold, I would doubt that any gold crown is 100% gold. You might want to ask your dentist about the composition. For instance, our daughter had 'stainless steel' spacer bar and braces for years. When her first testings came back VERY high in nickel and

chromium, the metal in her mouth was the only thing I could think of for exposure. When the orthodontist checked, those wires were almost 10% nickeland 20% chromium. Getting them out of her mouth reduced the numbers quite quickly. > > > > In a message dated 9/17/2006 2:43:29 A.M. Pacific > > > Daylight Time, jerrysimmons@ writes:> > > > > > > > > > > > People with ms should not have flu shots. My pharmacist > > > actually had her first symptoms of ms two days after a flu shot. > > She > > > was given mass doses of steroids for optic neuritis. The residual > > > effect was inflamed nerves along her thoracic and lumbar region > two > > > years later. Please read up on this before you decide to get a > flu > > > shot. Best, Kathy> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is in the flu shot to cause problems? I did not see the > > > answer if already posted. I heard of this for sometime but do not > > > know the reasoning. One doctor asked me why?> > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >