Guest guest Posted May 5, 1999 Report Share Posted May 5, 1999 Geoff Crenshaw here speaking from the other side of the fence... TJMAXC@... wrote: > > It's ridiculous that guns can be picked up at gun shows without a background > check. Why aren't guns regulated for safety like other consumer When this country was founded the 2nd amendment held no less stature than the first. It was (and still is by many) felt to be the keystone with which government is held at bay. It spoke to the freedoms ensured by having a well regulated militia, and by such militia keeping government in check. Today we have lost site of the meaning of those then simple words, just as we've lost site in modern definition of the terms High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Tutelage is in order on a National scale. During the time of the authoring of the 2nd amendment, the law required every household to be armed and every able-bodied man to be available to the militia - to fight against ANY government that violated the inalienable rights of mankind - including the United States government if necessary. The founding fathers were not pro government at all. Similarly for those not knowing, High Crimes are still prosecuted in jolly old England, from where this particular phrase originated, and are defined simply as: " Crimes committed by those holding high office " . In other words, something as mundane as driving while intoxicated - a Misdemeanor, constitutes a High Crime when committed by an official in High Office such as Judge, a Police Chief, or the President of the United States. Was this known in the Senate of the United States? Yes. You must embrace your own opinion on the acts of those Senators in office during the only impeachment of an elected President in the history of our Country. If one wants to truly understand the objective of 'gun control' one must look beyond the rhetoric of " protecting our children " to the treaties signed in the late 1950's and continually signed off on by every succeeding President; in fact to the very treaty that promises to disarm the United States and place its Military and para-military (police) establishments under the rule of the UN. My apologies at suggesting you do the studies yourself if interested, but I have personally read said treaty, my failure to recall its name and number makes it no less so. There is more to this than meets the eye; The acts of two insane teenagers who had previously been arrested and released from confinement after counselors pronounced them " good to go " , and who had been reported to authorities for making explosive devices (pipe bombs) but whom the authorities refused to investigate, are horrific indeed. They speak loudly to the moral decay we suffer in America enroute to being a Fatherless country. That is not a term that should fall on deaf ears. For those to young to know, the last time that term came into common use was in reference to Germany after W.W.I when all of the men were killed and the children left fatherless. The country grew into moral decay and launched Adolf Schiklegruber into infamy as Adolf Hitler. But moral decay is different than gun control. Control all the guns you want, but if you're a statistics buff and do a bit of research you'll find far more people in this country of all ages succumb to the violent onslaught of edged weapons than do to firearms. Where are the " knife control " advocates? For every person, man woman or child injured or killed by a firearm in the US, you will find nearly 20 or more injured or killed by edged weapons. And how about blunt instruments? Where are the regulators of baseball bats? Yes bats and knives injure and kill far more people than guns in this country, but they are poor weapons against an armed military set upon the citizenry. Guns however, are not. But then, you will not find " all " military small arms for sale to the public either and so the first bite was taken in the name of Al Capone. Funny, today gangsters have fully automatic machine guns and machine pistols - as always - and as always law abiding citizens are at their usually nonexistent mercy. As those gangsters out in the West are fond of saying to their victims, " No Corazon Aqui " (translated: No Heart Here) a phrase I heard often just before planting them behind bars as they would step into line behind thousands of others waiting to take their turn at trying to assassinate me upon their release. These acts should not be used to further erode nor remove those constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in place; Indeed, they should be used to call the alarm for a re-awakening to the depths of immorality we are slipping into. But alas, those same soles who so blithely embrace the " Do Your Own Thing " mentality also embrace the disarmament of the country leaving all the victim of those whose depravity does NOT prevent them from being criminals and preying upon the now disarmed and weakened. We see disarmament already on a National scale today as our military, the weakest it has been since before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is stressed to its maximum limit prosecuting a very minor regional engagement in the Balkans. We are ill prepared to defend ourselves if subject to a real attack the likes of the last great wars. And just in case you don't think that can happen again, look around. Nation against Nation, people against people, race against race - these are the wars of today now, and the pieces are in place... But then it is always easy for those who see today as all there is to forget that Freedom Is Never Free - somebody has to pay for it, and pay with blood. That has been true from all eternity, whether it is eternal freedom, or mortal freedom, that truth does not change. -- Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites .. > Top Web Sites for Cruise tips New Zealanders http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- geoff@... 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Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Goeff think I LOVE YOU!! You said it all, everything I have wanted to say, but better. Thank you, Geoff Crenshaw wrote: > > From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...> > > Geoff Crenshaw here speaking from the other side of the fence... > > TJMAXC@... wrote: > > > > It's ridiculous that guns can be picked up at gun shows without a background > > check. Why aren't guns regulated for safety like other consumer > > When this country was founded the 2nd amendment held no less stature > than the first. It was (and still is by many) felt to be the keystone > with which government is held at bay. It spoke to the freedoms ensured > by having a well regulated militia, and by such militia keeping > government in check. > > Today we have lost site of the meaning of those then simple words, just > as we've lost site in modern definition of the terms High Crimes and > Misdemeanors. > > Tutelage is in order on a National scale. > > During the time of the authoring of the 2nd amendment, the law required > every household to be armed and every able-bodied man to be available to > the militia - to fight against ANY government that violated the > inalienable rights of mankind - including the United States government > if necessary. The founding fathers were not pro government at all. > > Similarly for those not knowing, High Crimes are still prosecuted in > jolly old England, from where this particular phrase originated, and are > defined simply as: " Crimes committed by those holding high office " . In > other words, something as mundane as driving while intoxicated - a > Misdemeanor, constitutes a High Crime when committed by an official in > High Office such as Judge, a Police Chief, or the President of the > United States. Was this known in the Senate of the United States? Yes. > You must embrace your own opinion on the acts of those Senators in > office during the only impeachment of an elected President in the > history of our Country. > > If one wants to truly understand the objective of 'gun control' one must > look beyond the rhetoric of " protecting our children " to the treaties > signed in the late 1950's and continually signed off on by every > succeeding President; in fact to the very treaty that promises to disarm > the United States and place its Military and para-military (police) > establishments under the rule of the UN. My apologies at suggesting you > do the studies yourself if interested, but I have personally read said > treaty, my failure to recall its name and number makes it no less so. > > There is more to this than meets the eye; The acts of two insane > teenagers who had previously been arrested and released from confinement > after counselors pronounced them " good to go " , and who had been reported > to authorities for making explosive devices (pipe bombs) but whom the > authorities refused to investigate, are horrific indeed. They speak > loudly to the moral decay we suffer in America enroute to being a > Fatherless country. That is not a term that should fall on deaf ears. > For those to young to know, the last time that term came into common use > was in reference to Germany after W.W.I when all of the men were killed > and the children left fatherless. The country grew into moral decay and > launched Adolf Schiklegruber into infamy as Adolf Hitler. > > But moral decay is different than gun control. Control all the guns you > want, but if you're a statistics buff and do a bit of research you'll > find far more people in this country of all ages succumb to the violent > onslaught of edged weapons than do to firearms. Where are the " knife > control " advocates? For every person, man woman or child injured or > killed by a firearm in the US, you will find nearly 20 or more injured > or killed by edged weapons. And how about blunt instruments? Where are > the regulators of baseball bats? Yes bats and knives injure and kill far > more people than guns in this country, but they are poor weapons against > an armed military set upon the citizenry. Guns however, are not. But > then, you will not find " all " military small arms for sale to the public > either and so the first bite was taken in the name of Al Capone. Funny, > today gangsters have fully automatic machine guns and machine pistols - > as always - and as always law abiding citizens are at their usually > nonexistent mercy. As those gangsters out in the West are fond of saying > to their victims, " No Corazon Aqui " (translated: No Heart Here) a phrase > I heard often just before planting them behind bars as they would step > into line behind thousands of others waiting to take their turn at > trying to assassinate me upon their release. > > These acts should not be used to further erode nor remove those > constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in place; Indeed, they should be > used to call the alarm for a re-awakening to the depths of immorality we > are slipping into. But alas, those same soles who so blithely embrace > the " Do Your Own Thing " mentality also embrace the disarmament of the > country leaving all the victim of those whose depravity does NOT prevent > them from being criminals and preying upon the now disarmed and > weakened. > > We see disarmament already on a National scale today as our military, > the weakest it has been since before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is > stressed to its maximum limit prosecuting a very minor regional > engagement in the Balkans. We are ill prepared to defend ourselves if > subject to a real attack the likes of the last great wars. And just in > case you don't think that can happen again, look around. Nation against > Nation, people against people, race against race - these are the wars of > today now, and the pieces are in place... > > But then it is always easy for those who see today as all there is to > forget that Freedom Is Never Free - somebody has to pay for it, and pay > with blood. That has been true from all eternity, whether it is eternal > freedom, or mortal freedom, that truth does not change. > -- > Regards, > > Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- > Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** > Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites > http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites > . > Top Web Sites for > Cruise tips New Zealanders > http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] > > USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > geoff@... > > " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like > an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the > muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his > thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are > like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " > > God speaking to Job... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Attention Star Wars fans! > > ONElist is the best place for your Star Wars list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Beautifully said Geoff! Thank you! Kari ---------- >From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...> >TJMAXC@... >Cc: rheumaticonelist >Subject: Re: rheumatic Response to Littleton >Date: Wed, May 5, 1999, 2:12 PM > >From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...> > >Geoff Crenshaw here speaking from the other side of the fence... > >TJMAXC@... wrote: >> >> It's ridiculous that guns can be picked up at gun shows without a background >> check. Why aren't guns regulated for safety like other consumer > >When this country was founded the 2nd amendment held no less stature >than the first. It was (and still is by many) felt to be the keystone >with which government is held at bay. It spoke to the freedoms ensured >by having a well regulated militia, and by such militia keeping >government in check. > >Today we have lost site of the meaning of those then simple words, just >as we've lost site in modern definition of the terms High Crimes and >Misdemeanors. > >Tutelage is in order on a National scale. > >During the time of the authoring of the 2nd amendment, the law required >every household to be armed and every able-bodied man to be available to >the militia - to fight against ANY government that violated the >inalienable rights of mankind - including the United States government >if necessary. The founding fathers were not pro government at all. > >Similarly for those not knowing, High Crimes are still prosecuted in >jolly old England, from where this particular phrase originated, and are >defined simply as: " Crimes committed by those holding high office " . In >other words, something as mundane as driving while intoxicated - a >Misdemeanor, constitutes a High Crime when committed by an official in >High Office such as Judge, a Police Chief, or the President of the >United States. Was this known in the Senate of the United States? Yes. >You must embrace your own opinion on the acts of those Senators in >office during the only impeachment of an elected President in the >history of our Country. > >If one wants to truly understand the objective of 'gun control' one must >look beyond the rhetoric of " protecting our children " to the treaties >signed in the late 1950's and continually signed off on by every >succeeding President; in fact to the very treaty that promises to disarm >the United States and place its Military and para-military (police) >establishments under the rule of the UN. My apologies at suggesting you >do the studies yourself if interested, but I have personally read said >treaty, my failure to recall its name and number makes it no less so. > >There is more to this than meets the eye; The acts of two insane >teenagers who had previously been arrested and released from confinement >after counselors pronounced them " good to go " , and who had been reported >to authorities for making explosive devices (pipe bombs) but whom the >authorities refused to investigate, are horrific indeed. They speak >loudly to the moral decay we suffer in America enroute to being a >Fatherless country. That is not a term that should fall on deaf ears. >For those to young to know, the last time that term came into common use >was in reference to Germany after W.W.I when all of the men were killed >and the children left fatherless. The country grew into moral decay and >launched Adolf Schiklegruber into infamy as Adolf Hitler. > >But moral decay is different than gun control. Control all the guns you >want, but if you're a statistics buff and do a bit of research you'll >find far more people in this country of all ages succumb to the violent >onslaught of edged weapons than do to firearms. Where are the " knife >control " advocates? For every person, man woman or child injured or >killed by a firearm in the US, you will find nearly 20 or more injured >or killed by edged weapons. And how about blunt instruments? Where are >the regulators of baseball bats? Yes bats and knives injure and kill far >more people than guns in this country, but they are poor weapons against >an armed military set upon the citizenry. Guns however, are not. But >then, you will not find " all " military small arms for sale to the public >either and so the first bite was taken in the name of Al Capone. Funny, >today gangsters have fully automatic machine guns and machine pistols - >as always - and as always law abiding citizens are at their usually >nonexistent mercy. As those gangsters out in the West are fond of saying >to their victims, " No Corazon Aqui " (translated: No Heart Here) a phrase >I heard often just before planting them behind bars as they would step >into line behind thousands of others waiting to take their turn at >trying to assassinate me upon their release. > >These acts should not be used to further erode nor remove those >constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in place; Indeed, they should be >used to call the alarm for a re-awakening to the depths of immorality we >are slipping into. But alas, those same soles who so blithely embrace >the " Do Your Own Thing " mentality also embrace the disarmament of the >country leaving all the victim of those whose depravity does NOT prevent >them from being criminals and preying upon the now disarmed and >weakened. > >We see disarmament already on a National scale today as our military, >the weakest it has been since before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is >stressed to its maximum limit prosecuting a very minor regional >engagement in the Balkans. We are ill prepared to defend ourselves if >subject to a real attack the likes of the last great wars. And just in >case you don't think that can happen again, look around. Nation against >Nation, people against people, race against race - these are the wars of >today now, and the pieces are in place... > >But then it is always easy for those who see today as all there is to >forget that Freedom Is Never Free - somebody has to pay for it, and pay >with blood. That has been true from all eternity, whether it is eternal >freedom, or mortal freedom, that truth does not change. >-- >Regards, > >Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- >Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** >Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites >http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites >. > Top Web Sites for >Cruise tips New Zealanders >http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] > >USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >geoff@... > > " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like >an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the >muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his >thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are >like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " > >God speaking to Job... > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Attention Star Wars fans! > >ONElist is the best place for your Star Wars list! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Geoff, First may I say that I appreciate your e-mails to this support group more than most that I read. You are informative, articulate, sensitive, and just damn funny. And, while I realize that there are others out there who support you in your political beliefs (I have read their positive responses), please be aware that not all on this list do so. I agree that each of us has the right to speak our mind on any subject, however I believe this is not the forum in which to do so. We have all come here for information and support on arthritis not tutelage on the American constitution. Please keep sending those great e-mails on arthritis. : Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...> > >Geoff Crenshaw here speaking from the other side of the fence... > >TJMAXC@... wrote: > > > > It's ridiculous that guns can be picked up at gun shows without a >background > > check. Why aren't guns regulated for safety like other consumer > >When this country was founded the 2nd amendment held no less stature >than the first. It was (and still is by many) felt to be the keystone >with which government is held at bay. It spoke to the freedoms ensured >by having a well regulated militia, and by such militia keeping >government in check. > >Today we have lost site of the meaning of those then simple words, just >as we've lost site in modern definition of the terms High Crimes and >Misdemeanors. > >Tutelage is in order on a National scale. > >During the time of the authoring of the 2nd amendment, the law required >every household to be armed and every able-bodied man to be available to >the militia - to fight against ANY government that violated the >inalienable rights of mankind - including the United States government >if necessary. The founding fathers were not pro government at all. > >Similarly for those not knowing, High Crimes are still prosecuted in >jolly old England, from where this particular phrase originated, and are >defined simply as: " Crimes committed by those holding high office " . In >other words, something as mundane as driving while intoxicated - a >Misdemeanor, constitutes a High Crime when committed by an official in >High Office such as Judge, a Police Chief, or the President of the >United States. Was this known in the Senate of the United States? Yes. >You must embrace your own opinion on the acts of those Senators in >office during the only impeachment of an elected President in the >history of our Country. > >If one wants to truly understand the objective of 'gun control' one must >look beyond the rhetoric of " protecting our children " to the treaties >signed in the late 1950's and continually signed off on by every >succeeding President; in fact to the very treaty that promises to disarm >the United States and place its Military and para-military (police) >establishments under the rule of the UN. My apologies at suggesting you >do the studies yourself if interested, but I have personally read said >treaty, my failure to recall its name and number makes it no less so. > >There is more to this than meets the eye; The acts of two insane >teenagers who had previously been arrested and released from confinement >after counselors pronounced them " good to go " , and who had been reported >to authorities for making explosive devices (pipe bombs) but whom the >authorities refused to investigate, are horrific indeed. They speak >loudly to the moral decay we suffer in America enroute to being a >Fatherless country. That is not a term that should fall on deaf ears. >For those to young to know, the last time that term came into common use >was in reference to Germany after W.W.I when all of the men were killed >and the children left fatherless. The country grew into moral decay and >launched Adolf Schiklegruber into infamy as Adolf Hitler. > >But moral decay is different than gun control. Control all the guns you >want, but if you're a statistics buff and do a bit of research you'll >find far more people in this country of all ages succumb to the violent >onslaught of edged weapons than do to firearms. Where are the " knife >control " advocates? For every person, man woman or child injured or >killed by a firearm in the US, you will find nearly 20 or more injured >or killed by edged weapons. And how about blunt instruments? Where are >the regulators of baseball bats? Yes bats and knives injure and kill far >more people than guns in this country, but they are poor weapons against >an armed military set upon the citizenry. Guns however, are not. But >then, you will not find " all " military small arms for sale to the public >either and so the first bite was taken in the name of Al Capone. Funny, >today gangsters have fully automatic machine guns and machine pistols - >as always - and as always law abiding citizens are at their usually >nonexistent mercy. As those gangsters out in the West are fond of saying >to their victims, " No Corazon Aqui " (translated: No Heart Here) a phrase >I heard often just before planting them behind bars as they would step >into line behind thousands of others waiting to take their turn at >trying to assassinate me upon their release. > >These acts should not be used to further erode nor remove those >constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in place; Indeed, they should be >used to call the alarm for a re-awakening to the depths of immorality we >are slipping into. But alas, those same soles who so blithely embrace >the " Do Your Own Thing " mentality also embrace the disarmament of the >country leaving all the victim of those whose depravity does NOT prevent >them from being criminals and preying upon the now disarmed and >weakened. > >We see disarmament already on a National scale today as our military, >the weakest it has been since before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is >stressed to its maximum limit prosecuting a very minor regional >engagement in the Balkans. We are ill prepared to defend ourselves if >subject to a real attack the likes of the last great wars. And just in >case you don't think that can happen again, look around. Nation against >Nation, people against people, race against race - these are the wars of >today now, and the pieces are in place... > >But then it is always easy for those who see today as all there is to >forget that Freedom Is Never Free - somebody has to pay for it, and pay >with blood. That has been true from all eternity, whether it is eternal >freedom, or mortal freedom, that truth does not change. >-- >Regards, > >Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- >Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** >Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites >http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites >. > Top Web Sites for >Cruise tips New Zealanders >http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] > >USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >geoff@... > > " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like >an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the >muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his >thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are >like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " > >God speaking to Job... > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Attention Star Wars fans! > >ONElist is the best place for your Star Wars list! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here. >> each of us has the right to speak our mind on any subject, however I believe this is not the forum in which to do so. We have all come here for information and support on arthritis not tutelage on the American constitution. << Thank you for your kind words and civil disagreement over the politics of the issue. I am known to occasionally raise the ire of those with whom I would proudly stand in debate, having occasioned the ability to do so upon the blood of my forebears. However you should know that I would not have written upon the subject of Littleton or gun control at all were it not for the post preceding it to which my comments were a response. That said I can only assume that you mean for *BOTH* sides of the issue to refrain... -- Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites .. > Top Web Sites for Cruise tips New Zealanders http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- geoff@... " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " God speaking to Job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here again... I forgot just one little thing. As I stated before, my comments were in response to a posting by a subscriber to the MoveOn organization. I would not have posted those comments at all otherwise. To me, it is the worst kind of greed to try and make self-serving political hay from the deaths of others lost in these gross inhumanities. The speeches coming from politicians and their ilk attempting to capitalize upon the grave sites of those children killed and injured is beyond disgust - regardless of whether one is pro or con on gun control. These people have no regard for the person of those killed, or those left behind. They don't know these kids; they don't know their families; They feel no loss, no emptiness; They cry no tears of mourning. They do not " feel their pain " ; The only thing they feel is their own opportunity for gain. My ire would be just as great if MoveOn had put forth a call to arm all Americans based on Littleton, as it is to disarm them. Although my response would have been different were the call to the opposite side of the lectern, I would like to think it would be equally impassioned and doubtless rudely blunt. -- Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites .. > Top Web Sites for Cruise tips New Zealanders http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- geoff@... " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " God speaking to Job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Hi Geoff, Thanks for the message, you do have a way of taking our minds off the aches and pains that all of us in this group have. Keep up the good reporting ,news and humor. Skip Re: rheumatic Response to Littleton >From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...> > >Geoff Crenshaw here speaking from the other side of the fence... > >TJMAXC@... wrote: >> >> It's ridiculous that guns can be picked up at gun shows without a background >> check. Why aren't guns regulated for safety like other consumer > >When this country was founded the 2nd amendment held no less stature >than the first. It was (and still is by many) felt to be the keystone >with which government is held at bay. It spoke to the freedoms ensured >by having a well regulated militia, and by such militia keeping >government in check. > >Today we have lost site of the meaning of those then simple words, just >as we've lost site in modern definition of the terms High Crimes and >Misdemeanors. > >Tutelage is in order on a National scale. > >During the time of the authoring of the 2nd amendment, the law required >every household to be armed and every able-bodied man to be available to >the militia - to fight against ANY government that violated the >inalienable rights of mankind - including the United States government >if necessary. The founding fathers were not pro government at all. > >Similarly for those not knowing, High Crimes are still prosecuted in >jolly old England, from where this particular phrase originated, and are >defined simply as: " Crimes committed by those holding high office " . In >other words, something as mundane as driving while intoxicated - a >Misdemeanor, constitutes a High Crime when committed by an official in >High Office such as Judge, a Police Chief, or the President of the >United States. Was this known in the Senate of the United States? Yes. >You must embrace your own opinion on the acts of those Senators in >office during the only impeachment of an elected President in the >history of our Country. > >If one wants to truly understand the objective of 'gun control' one must >look beyond the rhetoric of " protecting our children " to the treaties >signed in the late 1950's and continually signed off on by every >succeeding President; in fact to the very treaty that promises to disarm >the United States and place its Military and para-military (police) >establishments under the rule of the UN. My apologies at suggesting you >do the studies yourself if interested, but I have personally read said >treaty, my failure to recall its name and number makes it no less so. > >There is more to this than meets the eye; The acts of two insane >teenagers who had previously been arrested and released from confinement >after counselors pronounced them " good to go " , and who had been reported >to authorities for making explosive devices (pipe bombs) but whom the >authorities refused to investigate, are horrific indeed. They speak >loudly to the moral decay we suffer in America enroute to being a >Fatherless country. That is not a term that should fall on deaf ears. >For those to young to know, the last time that term came into common use >was in reference to Germany after W.W.I when all of the men were killed >and the children left fatherless. The country grew into moral decay and >launched Adolf Schiklegruber into infamy as Adolf Hitler. > >But moral decay is different than gun control. Control all the guns you >want, but if you're a statistics buff and do a bit of research you'll >find far more people in this country of all ages succumb to the violent >onslaught of edged weapons than do to firearms. Where are the " knife >control " advocates? For every person, man woman or child injured or >killed by a firearm in the US, you will find nearly 20 or more injured >or killed by edged weapons. And how about blunt instruments? Where are >the regulators of baseball bats? Yes bats and knives injure and kill far >more people than guns in this country, but they are poor weapons against >an armed military set upon the citizenry. Guns however, are not. But >then, you will not find " all " military small arms for sale to the public >either and so the first bite was taken in the name of Al Capone. Funny, >today gangsters have fully automatic machine guns and machine pistols - >as always - and as always law abiding citizens are at their usually >nonexistent mercy. As those gangsters out in the West are fond of saying >to their victims, " No Corazon Aqui " (translated: No Heart Here) a phrase >I heard often just before planting them behind bars as they would step >into line behind thousands of others waiting to take their turn at >trying to assassinate me upon their release. > >These acts should not be used to further erode nor remove those >constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in place; Indeed, they should be >used to call the alarm for a re-awakening to the depths of immorality we >are slipping into. But alas, those same soles who so blithely embrace >the " Do Your Own Thing " mentality also embrace the disarmament of the >country leaving all the victim of those whose depravity does NOT prevent >them from being criminals and preying upon the now disarmed and >weakened. > >We see disarmament already on a National scale today as our military, >the weakest it has been since before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is >stressed to its maximum limit prosecuting a very minor regional >engagement in the Balkans. We are ill prepared to defend ourselves if >subject to a real attack the likes of the last great wars. And just in >case you don't think that can happen again, look around. Nation against >Nation, people against people, race against race - these are the wars of >today now, and the pieces are in place... > >But then it is always easy for those who see today as all there is to >forget that Freedom Is Never Free - somebody has to pay for it, and pay >with blood. That has been true from all eternity, whether it is eternal >freedom, or mortal freedom, that truth does not change. >-- >Regards, > >Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- >Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** >Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites >http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites >. > Top Web Sites for >Cruise tips New Zealanders >http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] > >USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >geoff@... > > " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like >an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the >muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his >thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are >like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " > >God speaking to Job... > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Attention Star Wars fans! > >ONElist is the best place for your Star Wars list! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 Hi Folks - Figure it's time I check in here. How about it just moves itself over to the Chat list instead. That's what it was created for. I understood the first post to be a one time " make you aware " kind of post. That's no big deal and I appreciate those. But once again I was up to 59 messages in less than a 24 hour period. Some of that isn't just Geoff's couple of political posts. But again it's also the one to two liner responses to Geoff that went public instead of direct. The other heavy-weight at the moment is the virus problem which I assume every one on the list has a vested self-interest in and is all but mandatory that we resolve. Anyhoo, just a reminder that we have the AP-Chat now for those into politics, etc. and that the one-liner directed messages need to go private. Best - Jan K Geoff Crenshaw wrote: > From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...> > > Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here. > > >> each of us has the right to speak our mind on any subject, however I believe this is not the forum in which to do so. We have all come here for information and support on arthritis not tutelage on the American constitution. << > > Thank you for your kind words and civil disagreement over the politics > of the issue. I am known to occasionally raise the ire of those with > whom I would proudly stand in debate, having occasioned the ability to > do so upon the blood of my forebears. However you should know that I > would not have written upon the subject of Littleton or gun control at > all were it not for the post preceding it to which my comments were a > response. > > That said I can only assume that you mean for *BOTH* sides of the issue > to refrain... > -- > Regards, > > Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- > Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** > Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites > http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites > . > Top Web Sites for > Cruise tips New Zealanders > http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] > > USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > geoff@... > > " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like > an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the > muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his > thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are > like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " > > God speaking to Job... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Give back to your community through " Grow to Give. " > > See homepage for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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