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Dear Patty,Thank you! from the bottom of my heart. I do get it. Not only for

myself as my husband became disabled 4 years ago but I've got friends in the

same situation as well and have listened to the same words you've spoken.All I

can say is you are a strong lady and I know that's not what makes it better,

easy or why you do it. I would say from my experience of living both sides of

the fense that being the one disabled is at times esier than being the care

giver because being the one with the disease you have some control on good or

bad days of how I deal with my disability but with my husband I had NO CONTROL

and even though we are partially seperated I still and never did have any

control over his actions and that is, was one of the hardest things to deal

with. I couldn't make him help himself or do what was best for himself.Anyway, I

admire you and others I know. I thank you for sharing because over the years

other partners, husbands and wives have wanted someone to share with and you

just did and spoke so honestly.Wishing you a wonderful day and hoping you get to

have that vacation to your son no matter what.Hugs, P.s. intentionally

not trimming the previous message.

To: Stillsdisease

From: stillsman00@...

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:14:36 -0700

Subject: The other side of Stills

Hello Everybody,

This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First

of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of

this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you

all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I

say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing

facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune

problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with

it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone

with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not

see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to

happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I

would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town

around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I

would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is

not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i

dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " .

There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am

to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to

happen right

now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan

family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to

see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it,

though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it......

Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend

away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...

When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then

come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son

in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to

go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping,

no life at all....

You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it.

You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but

we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if

we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this

statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking

about the other side of Stills.

I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my

time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his

first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to

work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get

up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.

When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the

crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up

at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to

work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a

couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all

the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being

there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep

paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first

place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor,

or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.

So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have

all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no

longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he

is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman

he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I

feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start

I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders

that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he

sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt

slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I

try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll

take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done

because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up

and

able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is

up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it

can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel

we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do

lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we

become the bad guys again.

If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have

a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take

care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting

somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have

stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff.

We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have

everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands,

and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we

dont know

if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or

that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out

somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that

occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the

middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something

happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major

stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure

through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or

when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him,

I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his

sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that

call..and you know the call.

In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder

if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to

Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am

gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend

Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I

will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those

feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make

plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them

through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him,

even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my

son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....

I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit

around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before,

he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone

call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor,

most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his

own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he

ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant

wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to

take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost

day at work up on the weekends.....

I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not

meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the

problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that

just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day

without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not

saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your

disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not

superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are

those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most

people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you

feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems

that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he

have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and

eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but

there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "

So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out,

please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of

you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and

remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And

please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live

with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out

about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure

with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have

to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing

beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them

some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can

send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are

thankful that you have

them in your life......

For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and

could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some

people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can

some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the

ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would

not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease

and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at

least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so

wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one

lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and

know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why

I wrote this...

Patty Brown.

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Dear Patty,Thank you! from the bottom of my heart. I do get it. Not only for

myself as my husband became disabled 4 years ago but I've got friends in the

same situation as well and have listened to the same words you've spoken.All I

can say is you are a strong lady and I know that's not what makes it better,

easy or why you do it. I would say from my experience of living both sides of

the fense that being the one disabled is at times esier than being the care

giver because being the one with the disease you have some control on good or

bad days of how I deal with my disability but with my husband I had NO CONTROL

and even though we are partially seperated I still and never did have any

control over his actions and that is, was one of the hardest things to deal

with. I couldn't make him help himself or do what was best for himself.Anyway, I

admire you and others I know. I thank you for sharing because over the years

other partners, husbands and wives have wanted someone to share with and you

just did and spoke so honestly.Wishing you a wonderful day and hoping you get to

have that vacation to your son no matter what.Hugs, P.s. intentionally

not trimming the previous message.

To: Stillsdisease

From: stillsman00@...

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:14:36 -0700

Subject: The other side of Stills

Hello Everybody,

This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First

of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of

this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you

all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I

say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing

facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune

problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with

it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone

with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not

see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to

happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I

would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town

around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I

would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is

not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i

dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " .

There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am

to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to

happen right

now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan

family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to

see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it,

though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it......

Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend

away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...

When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then

come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son

in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to

go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping,

no life at all....

You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it.

You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but

we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if

we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this

statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking

about the other side of Stills.

I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my

time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his

first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to

work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get

up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.

When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the

crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up

at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to

work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a

couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all

the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being

there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep

paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first

place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor,

or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.

So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have

all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no

longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he

is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman

he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I

feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start

I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders

that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he

sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt

slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I

try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll

take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done

because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up

and

able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is

up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it

can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel

we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do

lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we

become the bad guys again.

If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have

a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take

care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting

somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have

stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff.

We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have

everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands,

and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we

dont know

if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or

that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out

somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that

occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the

middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something

happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major

stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure

through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or

when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him,

I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his

sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that

call..and you know the call.

In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder

if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to

Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am

gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend

Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I

will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those

feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make

plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them

through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him,

even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my

son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....

I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit

around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before,

he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone

call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor,

most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his

own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he

ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant

wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to

take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost

day at work up on the weekends.....

I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not

meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the

problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that

just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day

without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not

saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your

disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not

superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are

those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most

people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you

feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems

that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he

have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and

eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but

there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "

So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out,

please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of

you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and

remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And

please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live

with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out

about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure

with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have

to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing

beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them

some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can

send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are

thankful that you have

them in your life......

For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and

could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some

people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can

some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the

ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would

not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease

and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at

least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so

wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one

lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and

know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why

I wrote this...

Patty Brown.

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To patty,

All I can say is you are 100% right. My husband an I have had many conversations

about how much pressure is put on the spouse and how when I got sick, it changed

His life as well mine.

Great email patty, you are a trooper!

hugs

Alli

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> Hello Everybody,

>

> This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First

of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of

this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you

all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I

say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing

facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune

problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

>

> When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with

it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone

with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not

see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to

happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I

would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town

around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I

would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is

not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i

dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " .

There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am

to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to

happen right

> now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan

family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to

see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it,

though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it......

>

> Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend

away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...

>

> When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then

come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son

in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to

go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping,

no life at all....

>

> You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with

it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up,

but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and

if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this

statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking

about the other side of Stills.

>

> I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my

time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his

first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to

work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get

up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.

>

> When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the

crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up

at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to

work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a

couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all

the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being

there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep

paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first

place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor,

or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.

>

> So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have

all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

>

> I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no

longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he

is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman

he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I

feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start

I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders

that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he

sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt

slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I

try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll

take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done

because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up

and

> able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he

is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

>

> Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it

can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel

we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do

lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we

become the bad guys again.

>

> If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have

a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take

care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting

somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have

stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff.

We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have

everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands,

and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we

dont know

> if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or

that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out

somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that

occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the

middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something

happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major

stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure

through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or

when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him,

I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his

sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that

call..and you know the call.

>

> In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I

wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will

happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I

am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to

spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant

go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have

those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to

make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following

them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to

him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to

my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....

>

> I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit

around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before,

he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone

call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor,

most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his

own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he

ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant

wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to

take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost

day at work up on the weekends.....

>

> I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not

meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the

problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that

just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day

without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not

saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your

disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not

superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are

those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most

people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you

feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

> care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems

that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he

have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and

eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but

there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "

>

> So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out,

please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of

you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and

remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And

please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live

with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out

about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure

with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have

to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing

beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them

some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can

send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are

thankful that you have

> them in your life......

>

> For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried

and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some

people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can

some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the

ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would

not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease

and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at

least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so

wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one

lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and

know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why

I wrote this...

>

> Patty Brown.

>

>

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To patty,

All I can say is you are 100% right. My husband an I have had many conversations

about how much pressure is put on the spouse and how when I got sick, it changed

His life as well mine.

Great email patty, you are a trooper!

hugs

Alli

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> Hello Everybody,

>

> This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First

of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of

this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you

all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I

say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing

facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune

problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

>

> When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with

it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone

with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not

see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to

happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I

would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town

around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I

would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is

not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i

dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " .

There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am

to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to

happen right

> now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan

family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to

see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it,

though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it......

>

> Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend

away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...

>

> When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then

come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son

in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to

go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping,

no life at all....

>

> You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with

it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up,

but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and

if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this

statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking

about the other side of Stills.

>

> I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my

time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his

first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to

work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get

up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.

>

> When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the

crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up

at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to

work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a

couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all

the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being

there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep

paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first

place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor,

or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.

>

> So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have

all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

>

> I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no

longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he

is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman

he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I

feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start

I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders

that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he

sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt

slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I

try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll

take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done

because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up

and

> able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he

is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

>

> Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it

can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel

we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do

lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we

become the bad guys again.

>

> If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have

a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take

care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting

somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have

stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff.

We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have

everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands,

and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we

dont know

> if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or

that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out

somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that

occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the

middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something

happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major

stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure

through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or

when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him,

I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his

sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that

call..and you know the call.

>

> In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I

wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will

happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I

am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to

spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant

go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have

those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to

make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following

them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to

him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to

my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....

>

> I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit

around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before,

he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone

call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor,

most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his

own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he

ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant

wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to

take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost

day at work up on the weekends.....

>

> I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not

meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the

problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that

just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day

without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not

saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your

disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not

superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are

those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most

people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you

feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

> care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems

that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he

have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and

eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but

there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "

>

> So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out,

please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of

you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and

remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And

please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live

with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out

about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure

with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have

to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing

beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them

some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can

send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are

thankful that you have

> them in your life......

>

> For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried

and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some

people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can

some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the

ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would

not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease

and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at

least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so

wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one

lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and

know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why

I wrote this...

>

> Patty Brown.

>

>

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Hi Patty Brown:

Just in case there were any other Patty's out there

who were inclined to write what You did Patty? I am Bob or as most of you

know me as Dad in this Stills group.

I am printing a copy of what You said and giving it to my care giver (my

Wife of 52 years) who should be up for Sainthood or should already be a

Saint! As most everyone knows I do not have Stills but I do have a myriad of

other medical problems which cause me to have almost the same disability's

as Stills give or take a few things. Mine started when I was 39 years old

and I am now 74 so that tells You how long my Wife has been my care giver so

that means She has been my care giver for 35 years. I hope that You notice

that every time I mention Her as my Wife or She or whatever I capitalize it

because She deserves it? I just want to thank You Patty for saying what is

really the entire truth even though most of the time You or Her never say

it! And Larry and I, all we can do is say Thank You and it sure doesn't seem

like it means much does it? But it means a whole lot to us and our entire

lives have depended upon You and Her and for that we LOVE You and Her both

beyond " any words! Please take care and know that we love You both!



Dad

Panama City, FL 32404

Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at

www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all

volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel

Ave., Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks!

-- The other side of Stills

Hello Everybody,

This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble...

First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the

process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the

depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same

thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab

director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who

have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do

understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live

with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with

someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you

would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not

going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he

tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself

in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and

shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be

around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice

romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes

along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we

have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So

planning something with Larry is not going to happen right

now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We

plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies

wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to

sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal

with it......

Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a

weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...

When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and

then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get

my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I

still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come

home he is sleeping, no life at all....

You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with

it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head

up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get

sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend

anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but

again I am talking about the other side of Stills.

I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up

my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after

his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and

go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I

have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time

off.

When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue

the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I

would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to

nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the

hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out

what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making

comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not

matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for

him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work

it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the

house that I have neglected.

So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you

have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no

longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him,

he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the

woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other

times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let

myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so

much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning

back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched

drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone

that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be

nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel

quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store

with me...It seems to me that when he is up and

able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he

is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress

that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind,

and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress.

And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out

and get sick, we become the bad guys again.

If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to

have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone

to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of

getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..

... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your

meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and

making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying

food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we

can.....On top of that we dont know

if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or

that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed

out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a

thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone

when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about,

has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did

he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my

head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something

is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont

he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he

might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am

afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call.

In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I

wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will

happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens

while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not

gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something

happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but

I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a

normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better

chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid

that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and

the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling,

not just once in a while but everyday....

I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just

sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said

before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to

make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take

him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he

feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take

himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment

because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to

the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far..

...Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends.....

I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver.

Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in

the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and

that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all

day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am

not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in

your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we

are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do

..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint,

but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad

you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it

seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not

only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to

sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean

to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I

need. "

So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out,

please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care

of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way,

and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too.......

And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is

to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you

found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say

be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up

in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that

has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please

remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you

do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them

that you love them and are thankful that you have

them in your life......

For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried

and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and

some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change

nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for

everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so

sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think

that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will

be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that

this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world

you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and

may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and

everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this...

Patty Brown.

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Hi Patty Brown:

Just in case there were any other Patty's out there

who were inclined to write what You did Patty? I am Bob or as most of you

know me as Dad in this Stills group.

I am printing a copy of what You said and giving it to my care giver (my

Wife of 52 years) who should be up for Sainthood or should already be a

Saint! As most everyone knows I do not have Stills but I do have a myriad of

other medical problems which cause me to have almost the same disability's

as Stills give or take a few things. Mine started when I was 39 years old

and I am now 74 so that tells You how long my Wife has been my care giver so

that means She has been my care giver for 35 years. I hope that You notice

that every time I mention Her as my Wife or She or whatever I capitalize it

because She deserves it? I just want to thank You Patty for saying what is

really the entire truth even though most of the time You or Her never say

it! And Larry and I, all we can do is say Thank You and it sure doesn't seem

like it means much does it? But it means a whole lot to us and our entire

lives have depended upon You and Her and for that we LOVE You and Her both

beyond " any words! Please take care and know that we love You both!



Dad

Panama City, FL 32404

Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at

www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all

volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel

Ave., Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks!

-- The other side of Stills

Hello Everybody,

This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble...

First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the

process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the

depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same

thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab

director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who

have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do

understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live

with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with

someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you

would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not

going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he

tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself

in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and

shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be

around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice

romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes

along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we

have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So

planning something with Larry is not going to happen right

now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We

plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies

wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to

sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal

with it......

Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a

weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...

When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and

then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get

my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I

still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come

home he is sleeping, no life at all....

You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with

it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head

up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get

sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend

anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but

again I am talking about the other side of Stills.

I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up

my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after

his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and

go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I

have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time

off.

When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue

the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I

would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to

nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the

hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out

what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making

comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not

matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for

him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work

it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the

house that I have neglected.

So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you

have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no

longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him,

he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the

woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other

times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let

myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so

much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning

back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched

drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone

that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be

nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel

quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store

with me...It seems to me that when he is up and

able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he

is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress

that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind,

and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress.

And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out

and get sick, we become the bad guys again.

If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to

have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone

to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of

getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..

... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your

meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and

making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying

food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we

can.....On top of that we dont know

if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or

that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed

out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a

thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone

when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about,

has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did

he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my

head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something

is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont

he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he

might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am

afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call.

In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I

wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will

happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens

while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not

gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something

happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but

I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a

normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better

chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid

that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and

the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling,

not just once in a while but everyday....

I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just

sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said

before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to

make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take

him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he

feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take

himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment

because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to

the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far..

...Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends.....

I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver.

Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in

the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and

that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all

day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am

not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in

your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we

are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do

..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint,

but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad

you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it

seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not

only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to

sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean

to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I

need. "

So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out,

please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care

of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way,

and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too.......

And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is

to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you

found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say

be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up

in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that

has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please

remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you

do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them

that you love them and are thankful that you have

them in your life......

For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried

and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and

some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change

nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for

everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so

sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think

that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will

be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that

this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world

you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and

may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and

everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this...

Patty Brown.

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Hey Folks:

Sorry about the e-mail left on the end of my e-mail. I can

blame it on a senior moment can't I? Hopefully it won't happen again?



Bob (Dad)

Panama City, FL 32404

Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at

www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all

volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel Ave.,

Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks!

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Hey Folks:

Sorry about the e-mail left on the end of my e-mail. I can

blame it on a senior moment can't I? Hopefully it won't happen again?



Bob (Dad)

Panama City, FL 32404

Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at

www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all

volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel Ave.,

Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks!

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hi well im a stillsguy to i live in nc   boonville to be exact and are u in

charlotte nc id love to meet u ivnever meet  another  one of us with this

problem sendme  anote please love togetto know you

To: STILLS GROUP <Stillsdisease >

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:14 AM

Subject: The other side of Stills

 

Hello Everybody,

    This is Larrys wife Patty.  Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First

of all I want all you that have Stills, to know,  I do understand the process

of this disease,  and I understand the fatigue,  the pain, the depression that

you all go through,  I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job,  so

when I say I understand,  I understand,  I am a rehab director at a skilled

nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune

problem,  so yes I understand.  However I do understand being a 24/7

caregiver.

 

    When Larry got Stills,  I got it to.  As he has had to learn to live

with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with

someone with Stills,  because,  you see changes in them that you thought you

would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not

going to happen,  your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he

tries,  all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in

a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or

sight see.  So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around

people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I

am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I

am so tired " .  There have been so many times that we have had something planed

and then " I am to tired to go. "   comes.  So planning something with Larry is

not going to happen right

now.  I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July,

because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind.  We plan

family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to

see PawPaw.  it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through

it,  though I know it bothers him to hear it,  I have to deal with it......

 

    Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a

weekend away from home just the two of us.  but not anymore...

 

    When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and

then come home and do all the things he cant do.  When we moved I had to get my

son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had

to go to work everyday.   He is sleeping I go to work,  I come home he is

sleeping,  no life at all....

 

    You guys may have stills disease,  but the care givers have to live

with it.  You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your

head up,  but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " ,  well, we can't get

sick,  and if we do we still have to keep going.  I dont mean to offend anyone

with this statement,  I do know that the disease causes this,  but again I am

talking about the other side of Stills.

 

    I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up

my time at work for being out...  I had to have a mild surgery right after his

first hip replacement and had no time to just heal,  I had to get up and go to

work with stitches in my side.  If I have a cold or anything else I have to get

up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.

 

    When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma,  he had no clue

the crap I was having to put up with his family,  and I had to work,  I would

get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him,  talk to nurse

then go to work,  then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital

and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was

going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about

me not being there through out the day,  and no it did not matter I had to work

to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in

the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to

the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.

 

    So yes you have the disease,  but we have the burden to make sure you

have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.

 

    I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago,  but he no

longer exisits.   The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he

is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman

he married,  I am quick to anger,  and ready to lash out and at other times I

feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start

I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my

shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back.  I hate

it when he sleeps all the time,  or when I get this punched drunk person

because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even

feel married.  I try to keep myself busy,  but It  would be nice to hear, 

" Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go

have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me

that when he is up and

able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is

up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.

 

    Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker,  we, as

caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you.  We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that

it can create.  But  you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind,  and we

feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we

do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get

sick,  we become the bad guys again.

 

    If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or

throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay,  then we become the bad guys.  It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting.  But the guilt in doing so, is crazy....  The caregiver wants to

have a normal life to,  just the same way you do,  they want to have someone

to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of

getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out.....

You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds

and stuff.   We have everything else to worry about,  such as you, and making

sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work,  buying food, 

running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor  when we can.....On

top of that we dont know

if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that

we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out

somewhere, due to a stroke or something.  For most people that is a thought

that occurs once in a while,  if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in

the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about,  has something

happened,   is he ok?  Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major

stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure

through others.  Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or

when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him,

I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his 

sleep...These things are always in my mind,  or I am afraid that I will get

that call..and you know the call.

 

    In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son,  I

wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will

happen to Larry before I get out the door.  Or what if something happens while

I am gone????  I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to

spend Christmas with him in 4.  And I know that if something happens and I cant

go   I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have

those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to

make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to  following

them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to

him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to

my son.  This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....

 

    I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something,  just

sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said

before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make

a phone call and it can take days before its is done.   If I dont take him to

to Doctor,  most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he

can go on his own.   9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to

the doctor,  he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so

tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in

Charolett  I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I

have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends.....

 

    I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the

caregiver,  I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not

meaning to, but people with a chronic disease,  can get so wrapped up in the

problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that

just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day

without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not

saying thay you dont care,  its just that you can get so wrapped up in your

disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not

superhuman,  we are only human,  and we try to do the best we can do..There

are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint,  but most

people are flying be the seat of their pants..  I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something "   Or " I dont want to hear how bad you

feel today "    Or sometimes " I dont

care that you feel bad today  just leave me alone. "   Like i said we are only

human and can only take so much...Some more then others...  Sometimes it seems

that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to,  but, not only does he

have stills,  it seems that stills has him.....  He seems to sleep, drink and

eat Stills all the time,  and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but

there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "

 

    So those of you that have Stills,  the next time you feel down and

out,  please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking

care of you  and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, 

and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And

please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live

with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out

about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure

with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have

to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing

beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them

some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me.  or when you can

send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are

thankful that you have

them in your life......

 

    For those of you that have had caregivers to leave,  the ones that

tried and could not do it anymore,  try to remember that they are only human

and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change

nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. 

For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave,  I am so sorry, 

because I would not consider them human at all....  I truly think that this is

a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of

meds that can at least ease the symptoms.  And I hope that this helps  because

you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that

your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep

you safe,  and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that

you understand why I wrote this...

 

Patty Brown.

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Dear Don!

Hey dude!  I wasn't sure where Boonville was located so i checked the

maps/////we are about an hour or so West of you....a get together sounds good! 

How long have you had Still's, etc.  Talk to you soon.

Many Blessings!

Larry

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i have had it7yrs now and a long list of other problems to go withit send me  a

freind request on facebook don carson and illaccept and we can tlk and set

upsome kinda meeting 

so we can share problems and disscus this stills thing

To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:45 AM

Subject: Re: The other side of Stills

 

Dear Don!

Hey dude!  I wasn't sure where Boonville was located so i checked the

maps/////we are about an hour or so West of you....a get together sounds good! 

How long have you had Still's, etc.  Talk to you soon.

Many Blessings!

Larry

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hope  to  be tlking  to u soon larry

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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:19 AM

Subject: Re: The other side of Stills

 

i have had it7yrs now and a long list of other problems to go withit send me  a

freind request on facebook don carson and illaccept and we can tlk and set

upsome kinda meeting 

so we can share problems and disscus this stills thing

To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:45 AM

Subject: Re: The other side of Stills

 

Dear Don!

Hey dude!  I wasn't sure where Boonville was located so i checked the

maps/////we are about an hour or so West of you....a get together sounds good! 

How long have you had Still's, etc.  Talk to you soon.

Many Blessings!

Larry

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Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found

myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it.  

I also made vows to a wonderful man when I was 24 years old and promised to love

him through thick or thin. At 24 and with our whole lives ahead of us this was a

romantic dream and at times a breath taking reality.  Fast forward to 28 years

old and eight months pregnant when my husband was diagnosed with Stills and had

his spleen removed and I was taking care of him - so emaciated and weak - and I

kept praying the baby would hold out as long as possible because I knew I

wouldn't have the strength or energy to take care of two humans. Luckily my

stubborn son was 2 weeks late so my husband was up and walking and able to be by

my side - and he was wonderful!

Now a beautiful baby and a brick colonial with a brown fence and my husband with

2 degrees and a promising future in a career he absolutely loved.  Stills would

sneak up on us and he would be out of work for a couple of weeks but also return

- exhausted but determined.  10 years later, bankrupt, foreclosed upon &

unemployed we are still together but definitely worse for wear.

As you stated - my husband is NOT the same person that I married 15+ years ago.

He has a temper now that he never had and he can be really mean when taking

steroids. His sense of humor has deteriorated and he also sleeps all of the

time.

I have also changed - I am also quick to anger, do not feel appreciated enough

and am constantly exhausted.

I can say that something clicked in me last winter. I decided to take care of

myself FIRST. It has really made a difference for us. I began eating better,

started running and even just went away for an overnight with my best

girlfriend.  Years ago I would have felt guilty but this time I left the guilt

at home with the Stills. I have noticed that I am calmer and can deal with my

husband better now that I am finely taking care of myself.  It is so easy to

get caught up in Stills since it takes over our lives but you have to do for

yourself so you can stay sane and grounded. I know you will make it to England

and you will have a great time!

In my darkest moments I feel cheated. I feel like the man I married has already

died and I feel the wedding vows were not fair. I feel young enough to start

over, alone and not have to take care of anyone. But then I always think of what

Siegfried said when Roy was attacked by the tiger - " Its okay if Roy cannot move

his arm ever again - I will be his right arm for him " . Such a weird source but

for some reason it resonated with me.

Thanks for giving the caregivers a voice.

Best Wishes Always.Dawn

Subject: The other side of Stills

To: " STILLS GROUP " <Stillsdisease >

Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 11:14 AM

 

Hello Everybody,

  some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change

nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. 

For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave,  I am so sorry, 

because I would not consider them human at all....  I truly think that this is

a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of

meds that can at least ease the symptoms.  And I hope that this helps  because

you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that

your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep

you safe,  and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that

you understand why I wrote this...

 

Patty Brown.

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Dawn,As a lady with 34 years of Still's and then became my husband's caregiver

when he became disabled 5 years ago something you said resonated with me. When

you said it was like he died. My husband too gave up and can't get over the

disability so it is like he is slowly dying. I did go through many transitions

over the years and the early were the worst but I never gave in and I understand

how hard it is to care, love and live with someone that is so changed.Best of

luck to you,

From: dawndevenny912@...

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:23:29 -0700

I feel like the man I married has already died and I feel the wedding

vows were not fair. I feel young enough to start over, alone and not have to

take care of anyone. But then I always think of what Siegfried said when Roy was

attacked by the tiger - " Its okay if Roy cannot move his arm ever again - I will

be his right arm for him " .

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Dawn...I, too, am exhausted as a full time caregiver and often feel

unappreciated. My daughter is 23 now and has had Systemic JIA (Stills) for 8.5

years. She and I have been displaced to live nearer a good hospital (as we

spend so much time there) for the past 4+ years. What we have left was packed

up and placed into storage by family and friends. It is very alienating. I

wish that some of them were nearby.

Since I have not been able to work for those 4+ years finances are beyond tight.

At the moment, she is better and I am seeking employment in a horrible economy.

I would kill to be able to enjoy a night away ....

I know that complaining is counterproductive; but having this venue to vent

helps tremendously.

Re: The other side of Stills

Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found

myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it.

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I think we have to " complain " at times to stay sane :) We are only human. I wish

you the best of luck on your job search.

Subject: Re: The other side of Stills

To: Stillsdisease

Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 6:49 PM

 

Dawn...I, too, am exhausted as a full time caregiver and often feel

unappreciated. My daughter is 23 now and has had Systemic JIA (Stills) for 8.5

years. She and I have been displaced to live nearer a good hospital (as we

spend so much time there) for the past 4+ years. What we have left was packed

up and placed into storage by family and friends. It is very alienating. I

wish that some of them were nearby.

Since I have not been able to work for those 4+ years finances are beyond tight.

At the moment, she is better and I am seeking employment in a horrible economy.

I would kill to be able to enjoy a night away ....

I know that complaining is counterproductive; but having this venue to vent

helps tremendously.

Re: The other side of Stills

Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found

myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it.

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I do not live there I am in another North state. North Dakota. I sure

will email with you if you like. I have always wanted to visit there so

if I do I will let you know. I do want to ask you though how you faired

in the hurricane. I hope it was not bad for you.

________________________________

From: Stillsdisease

[mailto:Stillsdisease ] On Behalf Of Don Carson

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:55 AM

To: Stillsdisease

Subject: Re: The other side of Stills

hi well im a stillsguy to i live in nc boonville to be exact and are u

in charlotte nc id love to meet u ivnever meet another one of us with

this problem sendme anote please love togetto know you

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My Husband feels the same way . Except he doesn't need to enjoy a

night away J.. Things are easier on him now, then they have been in the last

four years, but I know there have been times that he wishes that there is a

support group for caregivers. He has looked for one around here and has

never been able to find one.

Isn't odd how many Caregivers there are and how there are support groups for

those sick, but not the caregivers.

They are the hero's in my mind, and yet they aren't recognized anywhere by

the medical community.

Hugs,

Alli

From: Stillsdisease [mailto:Stillsdisease ]

On Behalf Of cbvvw1@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:50 PM

To: Stillsdisease

Subject: Re: The other side of Stills

Dawn...I, too, am exhausted as a full time caregiver and often feel

unappreciated. My daughter is 23 now and has had Systemic JIA (Stills) for

8.5 years. She and I have been displaced to live nearer a good hospital (as

we spend so much time there) for the past 4+ years. What we have left was

packed up and placed into storage by family and friends. It is very

alienating. I wish that some of them were nearby.

Since I have not been able to work for those 4+ years finances are beyond

tight. At the moment, she is better and I am seeking employment in a

horrible economy. I would kill to be able to enjoy a night away ....

I know that complaining is counterproductive; but having this venue to vent

helps tremendously.

Re: The other side of Stills

Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I

found myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it.

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I've been reading about the caregiver issues on here lately and I feel I have

been mostly on the caregiver side of this until the past 2 or more years. My

husband of 35 years had a work related injury in early 2002. I was working full

time then. He had a neck injury that led to several surgeries. He went from

working full time and also playing bass in a rock band and a blues band. He

also Mr. Fixit, a jack of all trades. Very busy and active. After the

accident and surgeries, he found he was unable to play the bass for long periods

of time and became very depressed. Of course he was prescribed medication for

those symptoms along with the pain management. A combination of the depression

and the medications he developed psychotic episodes which has made him confused

at times and really just made him not able to completely mentally function. He

loses track of time. I became his caregiver in 2003 until I was diagnosed with

fibromyalgia last year and lupus this year. I still have to be his caregiver

and my own. I feel your frustrations deeply. I find myself getting angry and

feeling resentful and it makes me feel like an awful person. We both need

caregivers now and don't have one. So I have to put on my big girl panties and

step up to the plate. I try to do it all. He is sometimes able to help out in

small ways but at times I feel totally neglected and feel the same way many of

you said you feel. Between dealing with his workers comp and attorneys and

doctors, I deal with my SSDI issues and my attorneys and doctors. My kids are

grown with children of their own and work full time. They are unable to help

much. They seem not to really understand why I am so exhausted, nor do they

understand Fibromyalgia or lupus. It becomes so depressing at times, I have

panic attacks. At this point we cannot get a caregiver to help until his work

comp issues are settled and we all know how long that takes. I swear they are

just waiting for the injured people to die, lol. I really can relate to both

sides of the situation and I'm so happy to read that I am not alone. I have

some very special friends that help when possible and one of them is Patty

(). Who is basically in the same boat as we are. It seems awful to

complain, yet we all need someone to relate to. Stay strong everyone and

hopefully doctors will understand sooner rather than later about the exhaustion

and stress and how that makes us go into flares. While people look at us and

say " You don't look sick to me " , or at least you know thats what they are

thinking. I was so happy to read others issues as caregiver, and some of you on

both sides of the coin. Thanks for sharing your stories and I hope that being

able to talk to each other will somehow lessen our anxieties and worries. I am

grateful to have found this support group thanks to Patty (), who has been

a close friend for 30 years. She is such a special person. Thanks again, Debi

aka grannygooch.

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myself as my husband became disabled 4 years ago but I've got friends in the

same situation as well and have listened to the same words you've spoken.All I

can say is you are a strong lady and I know that's not what makes it better,

easy or why you do it. I would say from my experience of living both sides of

the fense that being the one disabled is at times esier than being the care

giver because being the one with the disease you have some control on good or

bad days of how I deal with my disability but with my husband I had NO CONTROL

and even though we are partially seperated I still and never did have any

control over his actions and that is, was one of the hardest things to deal

with. I couldn't make him help himself or do what was best for himself.Anyway, I

admire you and others I know. I thank you for sharing because over the years

other partners, husbands and wives have wanted someone to share with and you

just did and spoke so honestly.Wishing you a wonderful day and hoping you get to

have that vacation to your son no matter what.Hugs, P.s. intentionally

not trimming the previous message.

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> This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of

living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First

of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of

this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you

all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I

say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing

facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune

problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver.

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it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone

with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not

see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to

happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I

would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town

around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I

would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is

not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i

dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " .

There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am

to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to

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because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan

family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to

see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it,

though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it......

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come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son

in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to

go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping,

no life at all....

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it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up,

but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and

if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this

statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking

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time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his

first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to

work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get

up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.

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crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up

at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to

work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a

couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all

the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being

there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep

paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first

place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor,

or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.

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longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he

is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman

he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I

feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start

I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders

that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he

sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt

slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I

try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll

take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done

because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up

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caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from

upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it

can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel

we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do

lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we

become the bad guys again.

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throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we

feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with

sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like

quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have

a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take

care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting

somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have

stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff.

We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have

everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands,

and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we

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that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out

somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that

occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the

middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something

happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major

stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure

through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or

when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him,

I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his

sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that

call..and you know the call.

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wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will

happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I

am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to

spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant

go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have

those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to

make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following

them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to

him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to

my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....

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around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before,

he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone

call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor,

most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his

own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he

ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant

wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to

take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost

day at work up on the weekends.....

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caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not

meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the

problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that

just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day

without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not

saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your

disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not

superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are

those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most

people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream

sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you

feel today " Or sometimes " I dont

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human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems

that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he

have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and

eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but

there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "

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please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of

you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and

remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And

please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live

with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out

about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure

with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have

to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing

beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them

some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can

send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are

thankful that you have

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> For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried

and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some

people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can

some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the

ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would

not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease

and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at

least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so

wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one

lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and

know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why

I wrote this...

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