Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Dear Patty,Thank you! from the bottom of my heart. I do get it. Not only for myself as my husband became disabled 4 years ago but I've got friends in the same situation as well and have listened to the same words you've spoken.All I can say is you are a strong lady and I know that's not what makes it better, easy or why you do it. I would say from my experience of living both sides of the fense that being the one disabled is at times esier than being the care giver because being the one with the disease you have some control on good or bad days of how I deal with my disability but with my husband I had NO CONTROL and even though we are partially seperated I still and never did have any control over his actions and that is, was one of the hardest things to deal with. I couldn't make him help himself or do what was best for himself.Anyway, I admire you and others I know. I thank you for sharing because over the years other partners, husbands and wives have wanted someone to share with and you just did and spoke so honestly.Wishing you a wonderful day and hoping you get to have that vacation to your son no matter what.Hugs, P.s. intentionally not trimming the previous message. To: Stillsdisease From: stillsman00@... Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:14:36 -0700 Subject: The other side of Stills Hello Everybody, This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have them in your life...... For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... Patty Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Dear Patty,Thank you! from the bottom of my heart. I do get it. Not only for myself as my husband became disabled 4 years ago but I've got friends in the same situation as well and have listened to the same words you've spoken.All I can say is you are a strong lady and I know that's not what makes it better, easy or why you do it. I would say from my experience of living both sides of the fense that being the one disabled is at times esier than being the care giver because being the one with the disease you have some control on good or bad days of how I deal with my disability but with my husband I had NO CONTROL and even though we are partially seperated I still and never did have any control over his actions and that is, was one of the hardest things to deal with. I couldn't make him help himself or do what was best for himself.Anyway, I admire you and others I know. I thank you for sharing because over the years other partners, husbands and wives have wanted someone to share with and you just did and spoke so honestly.Wishing you a wonderful day and hoping you get to have that vacation to your son no matter what.Hugs, P.s. intentionally not trimming the previous message. To: Stillsdisease From: stillsman00@... Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:14:36 -0700 Subject: The other side of Stills Hello Everybody, This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have them in your life...... For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... Patty Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 To patty, All I can say is you are 100% right. My husband an I have had many conversations about how much pressure is put on the spouse and how when I got sick, it changed His life as well mine. Great email patty, you are a trooper! hugs Alli Sent from my iPhone > Hello Everybody, > > This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. > > When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right > now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... > > Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... > > When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... > > You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. > > I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. > > When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. > > So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. > > I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and > able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. > > Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. > > If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know > if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. > > In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... > > I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... > > I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont > care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " > > So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have > them in your life...... > > For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... > > Patty Brown. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 To patty, All I can say is you are 100% right. My husband an I have had many conversations about how much pressure is put on the spouse and how when I got sick, it changed His life as well mine. Great email patty, you are a trooper! hugs Alli Sent from my iPhone > Hello Everybody, > > This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. > > When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right > now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... > > Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... > > When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... > > You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. > > I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. > > When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. > > So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. > > I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and > able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. > > Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. > > If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know > if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. > > In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... > > I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... > > I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont > care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " > > So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have > them in your life...... > > For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... > > Patty Brown. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi Patty Brown: Just in case there were any other Patty's out there who were inclined to write what You did Patty? I am Bob or as most of you know me as Dad in this Stills group. I am printing a copy of what You said and giving it to my care giver (my Wife of 52 years) who should be up for Sainthood or should already be a Saint! As most everyone knows I do not have Stills but I do have a myriad of other medical problems which cause me to have almost the same disability's as Stills give or take a few things. Mine started when I was 39 years old and I am now 74 so that tells You how long my Wife has been my care giver so that means She has been my care giver for 35 years. I hope that You notice that every time I mention Her as my Wife or She or whatever I capitalize it because She deserves it? I just want to thank You Patty for saying what is really the entire truth even though most of the time You or Her never say it! And Larry and I, all we can do is say Thank You and it sure doesn't seem like it means much does it? But it means a whole lot to us and our entire lives have depended upon You and Her and for that we LOVE You and Her both beyond " any words! Please take care and know that we love You both!  Dad Panama City, FL 32404 Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel Ave., Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks! -- The other side of Stills Hello Everybody, This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble... First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out.. ... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.. ...Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver. Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do ..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have them in your life...... For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... Patty Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi Patty Brown: Just in case there were any other Patty's out there who were inclined to write what You did Patty? I am Bob or as most of you know me as Dad in this Stills group. I am printing a copy of what You said and giving it to my care giver (my Wife of 52 years) who should be up for Sainthood or should already be a Saint! As most everyone knows I do not have Stills but I do have a myriad of other medical problems which cause me to have almost the same disability's as Stills give or take a few things. Mine started when I was 39 years old and I am now 74 so that tells You how long my Wife has been my care giver so that means She has been my care giver for 35 years. I hope that You notice that every time I mention Her as my Wife or She or whatever I capitalize it because She deserves it? I just want to thank You Patty for saying what is really the entire truth even though most of the time You or Her never say it! And Larry and I, all we can do is say Thank You and it sure doesn't seem like it means much does it? But it means a whole lot to us and our entire lives have depended upon You and Her and for that we LOVE You and Her both beyond " any words! Please take care and know that we love You both!  Dad Panama City, FL 32404 Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel Ave., Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks! -- The other side of Stills Hello Everybody, This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble... First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out.. ... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.. ...Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver. Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do ..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have them in your life...... For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... Patty Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hey Folks: Sorry about the e-mail left on the end of my e-mail. I can blame it on a senior moment can't I? Hopefully it won't happen again?  Bob (Dad) Panama City, FL 32404 Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel Ave., Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hey Folks: Sorry about the e-mail left on the end of my e-mail. I can blame it on a senior moment can't I? Hopefully it won't happen again?  Bob (Dad) Panama City, FL 32404 Please visit the International Stills Disease Foundation Inc. Web Site at www.stillsdisease.org . Please make TAX DEDUCTIBLE Donations to the all volunteer, International Stills Disease Foundation (ISDF), 1123 S. Kimbrel Ave., Panama City, FL 32404. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 hi well im a stillsguy to i live in nc  boonville to be exact and are u in charlotte nc id love to meet u ivnever meet another one of us with this problem sendme anote please love togetto know you To: STILLS GROUP <Stillsdisease > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: The other side of Stills  Hello Everybody,     This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver.      When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. "  comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it......      Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore...      When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday.  He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all....      You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills.      I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off.      When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected.      So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job.      I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits.  The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night.      Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again.      If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy....  The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff.  We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened,  is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call.      In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go  I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday....      I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done.  If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own.  9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends.....      I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something "  Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today "   Or sometimes " I dont care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. "  Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. "      So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have them in your life......      For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe,  and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this...  Patty Brown. 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Dear Don! Hey dude! I wasn't sure where Boonville was located so i checked the maps/////we are about an hour or so West of you....a get together sounds good! How long have you had Still's, etc. Talk to you soon. Many Blessings! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 i have had it7yrs now and a long list of other problems to go withit send me a freind request on facebook don carson and illaccept and we can tlk and set upsome kinda meeting so we can share problems and disscus this stills thing To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: The other side of Stills  Dear Don! Hey dude! I wasn't sure where Boonville was located so i checked the maps/////we are about an hour or so West of you....a get together sounds good! How long have you had Still's, etc. Talk to you soon. Many Blessings! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 hope to be tlking to u soon larry To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:19 AM Subject: Re: The other side of Stills  i have had it7yrs now and a long list of other problems to go withit send me a freind request on facebook don carson and illaccept and we can tlk and set upsome kinda meeting so we can share problems and disscus this stills thing To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: The other side of Stills  Dear Don! Hey dude! I wasn't sure where Boonville was located so i checked the maps/////we are about an hour or so West of you....a get together sounds good! How long have you had Still's, etc. Talk to you soon. Many Blessings! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it.  I also made vows to a wonderful man when I was 24 years old and promised to love him through thick or thin. At 24 and with our whole lives ahead of us this was a romantic dream and at times a breath taking reality.  Fast forward to 28 years old and eight months pregnant when my husband was diagnosed with Stills and had his spleen removed and I was taking care of him - so emaciated and weak - and I kept praying the baby would hold out as long as possible because I knew I wouldn't have the strength or energy to take care of two humans. Luckily my stubborn son was 2 weeks late so my husband was up and walking and able to be by my side - and he was wonderful! Now a beautiful baby and a brick colonial with a brown fence and my husband with 2 degrees and a promising future in a career he absolutely loved.  Stills would sneak up on us and he would be out of work for a couple of weeks but also return - exhausted but determined.  10 years later, bankrupt, foreclosed upon & unemployed we are still together but definitely worse for wear. As you stated - my husband is NOT the same person that I married 15+ years ago. He has a temper now that he never had and he can be really mean when taking steroids. His sense of humor has deteriorated and he also sleeps all of the time. I have also changed - I am also quick to anger, do not feel appreciated enough and am constantly exhausted. I can say that something clicked in me last winter. I decided to take care of myself FIRST. It has really made a difference for us. I began eating better, started running and even just went away for an overnight with my best girlfriend.  Years ago I would have felt guilty but this time I left the guilt at home with the Stills. I have noticed that I am calmer and can deal with my husband better now that I am finely taking care of myself.  It is so easy to get caught up in Stills since it takes over our lives but you have to do for yourself so you can stay sane and grounded. I know you will make it to England and you will have a great time! In my darkest moments I feel cheated. I feel like the man I married has already died and I feel the wedding vows were not fair. I feel young enough to start over, alone and not have to take care of anyone. But then I always think of what Siegfried said when Roy was attacked by the tiger - " Its okay if Roy cannot move his arm ever again - I will be his right arm for him " . Such a weird source but for some reason it resonated with me. Thanks for giving the caregivers a voice. Best Wishes Always.Dawn Subject: The other side of Stills To: " STILLS GROUP " <Stillsdisease > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 11:14 AM  Hello Everybody,   some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe,  and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this...  Patty Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Dawn,As a lady with 34 years of Still's and then became my husband's caregiver when he became disabled 5 years ago something you said resonated with me. When you said it was like he died. My husband too gave up and can't get over the disability so it is like he is slowly dying. I did go through many transitions over the years and the early were the worst but I never gave in and I understand how hard it is to care, love and live with someone that is so changed.Best of luck to you, From: dawndevenny912@... Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:23:29 -0700 I feel like the man I married has already died and I feel the wedding vows were not fair. I feel young enough to start over, alone and not have to take care of anyone. But then I always think of what Siegfried said when Roy was attacked by the tiger - " Its okay if Roy cannot move his arm ever again - I will be his right arm for him " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Dawn...I, too, am exhausted as a full time caregiver and often feel unappreciated. My daughter is 23 now and has had Systemic JIA (Stills) for 8.5 years. She and I have been displaced to live nearer a good hospital (as we spend so much time there) for the past 4+ years. What we have left was packed up and placed into storage by family and friends. It is very alienating. I wish that some of them were nearby. Since I have not been able to work for those 4+ years finances are beyond tight. At the moment, she is better and I am seeking employment in a horrible economy. I would kill to be able to enjoy a night away .... I know that complaining is counterproductive; but having this venue to vent helps tremendously. Re: The other side of Stills Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I think we have to " complain " at times to stay sane We are only human. I wish you the best of luck on your job search. Subject: Re: The other side of Stills To: Stillsdisease Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 6:49 PM Â Dawn...I, too, am exhausted as a full time caregiver and often feel unappreciated. My daughter is 23 now and has had Systemic JIA (Stills) for 8.5 years. She and I have been displaced to live nearer a good hospital (as we spend so much time there) for the past 4+ years. What we have left was packed up and placed into storage by family and friends. It is very alienating. I wish that some of them were nearby. Since I have not been able to work for those 4+ years finances are beyond tight. At the moment, she is better and I am seeking employment in a horrible economy. I would kill to be able to enjoy a night away .... I know that complaining is counterproductive; but having this venue to vent helps tremendously. Re: The other side of Stills Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I do not live there I am in another North state. North Dakota. I sure will email with you if you like. I have always wanted to visit there so if I do I will let you know. I do want to ask you though how you faired in the hurricane. I hope it was not bad for you. ________________________________ From: Stillsdisease [mailto:Stillsdisease ] On Behalf Of Don Carson Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:55 AM To: Stillsdisease Subject: Re: The other side of Stills hi well im a stillsguy to i live in nc boonville to be exact and are u in charlotte nc id love to meet u ivnever meet another one of us with this problem sendme anote please love togetto know you RH Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 My Husband feels the same way . Except he doesn't need to enjoy a night away J.. Things are easier on him now, then they have been in the last four years, but I know there have been times that he wishes that there is a support group for caregivers. He has looked for one around here and has never been able to find one. Isn't odd how many Caregivers there are and how there are support groups for those sick, but not the caregivers. They are the hero's in my mind, and yet they aren't recognized anywhere by the medical community. Hugs, Alli From: Stillsdisease [mailto:Stillsdisease ] On Behalf Of cbvvw1@... Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:50 PM To: Stillsdisease Subject: Re: The other side of Stills Dawn...I, too, am exhausted as a full time caregiver and often feel unappreciated. My daughter is 23 now and has had Systemic JIA (Stills) for 8.5 years. She and I have been displaced to live nearer a good hospital (as we spend so much time there) for the past 4+ years. What we have left was packed up and placed into storage by family and friends. It is very alienating. I wish that some of them were nearby. Since I have not been able to work for those 4+ years finances are beyond tight. At the moment, she is better and I am seeking employment in a horrible economy. I would kill to be able to enjoy a night away .... I know that complaining is counterproductive; but having this venue to vent helps tremendously. Re: The other side of Stills Hi Patty,As a caregiver for the past 12 years I appreciate your email. I found myself nodding my head and tears in my eyes as I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I've been reading about the caregiver issues on here lately and I feel I have been mostly on the caregiver side of this until the past 2 or more years. My husband of 35 years had a work related injury in early 2002. I was working full time then. He had a neck injury that led to several surgeries. He went from working full time and also playing bass in a rock band and a blues band. He also Mr. Fixit, a jack of all trades. Very busy and active. After the accident and surgeries, he found he was unable to play the bass for long periods of time and became very depressed. Of course he was prescribed medication for those symptoms along with the pain management. A combination of the depression and the medications he developed psychotic episodes which has made him confused at times and really just made him not able to completely mentally function. He loses track of time. I became his caregiver in 2003 until I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia last year and lupus this year. I still have to be his caregiver and my own. I feel your frustrations deeply. I find myself getting angry and feeling resentful and it makes me feel like an awful person. We both need caregivers now and don't have one. So I have to put on my big girl panties and step up to the plate. I try to do it all. He is sometimes able to help out in small ways but at times I feel totally neglected and feel the same way many of you said you feel. Between dealing with his workers comp and attorneys and doctors, I deal with my SSDI issues and my attorneys and doctors. My kids are grown with children of their own and work full time. They are unable to help much. They seem not to really understand why I am so exhausted, nor do they understand Fibromyalgia or lupus. It becomes so depressing at times, I have panic attacks. At this point we cannot get a caregiver to help until his work comp issues are settled and we all know how long that takes. I swear they are just waiting for the injured people to die, lol. I really can relate to both sides of the situation and I'm so happy to read that I am not alone. I have some very special friends that help when possible and one of them is Patty (). Who is basically in the same boat as we are. It seems awful to complain, yet we all need someone to relate to. Stay strong everyone and hopefully doctors will understand sooner rather than later about the exhaustion and stress and how that makes us go into flares. While people look at us and say " You don't look sick to me " , or at least you know thats what they are thinking. I was so happy to read others issues as caregiver, and some of you on both sides of the coin. Thanks for sharing your stories and I hope that being able to talk to each other will somehow lessen our anxieties and worries. I am grateful to have found this support group thanks to Patty (), who has been a close friend for 30 years. She is such a special person. Thanks again, Debi aka grannygooch. > > > Dear Patty,Thank you! from the bottom of my heart. I do get it. Not only for myself as my husband became disabled 4 years ago but I've got friends in the same situation as well and have listened to the same words you've spoken.All I can say is you are a strong lady and I know that's not what makes it better, easy or why you do it. I would say from my experience of living both sides of the fense that being the one disabled is at times esier than being the care giver because being the one with the disease you have some control on good or bad days of how I deal with my disability but with my husband I had NO CONTROL and even though we are partially seperated I still and never did have any control over his actions and that is, was one of the hardest things to deal with. I couldn't make him help himself or do what was best for himself.Anyway, I admire you and others I know. I thank you for sharing because over the years other partners, husbands and wives have wanted someone to share with and you just did and spoke so honestly.Wishing you a wonderful day and hoping you get to have that vacation to your son no matter what.Hugs, P.s. intentionally not trimming the previous message. > > > > To: Stillsdisease > From: stillsman00@... > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:14:36 -0700 > Subject: The other side of Stills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everybody, > > > > This is Larrys wife Patty. Larry felt that I needed to give my side of living with Stills so maybe it can help a couple that may be in trouble....First of all I want all you that have Stills, to know, I do understand the process of this disease, and I understand the fatigue, the pain, the depression that you all go through, I also deal with a lot of the same thing in my job, so when I say I understand, I understand, I am a rehab director at a skilled nursing facility.... I work with alot of people who have some type of autoimmune problem, so yes I understand. However I do understand being a 24/7 caregiver. > > > > When Larry got Stills, I got it to. As he has had to learn to live with it, so have I...It is so hard to describe how hard it is to live with someone with Stills, because, you see changes in them that you thought you would not see, and you cant plan for a vacation, because a vacation is not going to happen, your to afraid to go anywhere because no matter how he tries, all I would get to do is sit and watch him sleep....Or go by myself in a strange town around strange people, because he could not go out and shop or sight see. So I would rather stay home and watch him sleep and be around people I know...It is not that I don't want to try for a nice romantic weekend I am at the point i dont want the disappoitment that comes along with the words " I am so tired " . There have been so many times that we have had something planed and then " I am to tired to go. " comes. So planning something with Larry is not going to happen right > > now. I pretended not to want to go see the fireworks this past 4th of July, because I didn't want to feel guilty for having to leave Larry behind. We plan family cookouts and he sleeps through them.....With the grandbabies wanting to see PawPaw. it is very hard to deal with......And he gets to sleep through it, though I know it bothers him to hear it, I have to deal with it...... > > > > Larry and I use to take off at the spur of the moment and spend a weekend away from home just the two of us. but not anymore... > > > > When Larry is down and out I still have to get up and go to work and then come home and do all the things he cant do. When we moved I had to get my son in laws to help me with the big stuff because Larry couldnt and I still had to go to work everyday. He is sleeping I go to work, I come home he is sleeping, no life at all.... > > > > You guys may have stills disease, but the care givers have to live with it. You have the excuse to stop when your so tired you cant hold your head up, but we cant.. You hear " But you dont Look sick " , well, we can't get sick, and if we do we still have to keep going. I dont mean to offend anyone with this statement, I do know that the disease causes this, but again I am talking about the other side of Stills. > > > > I have had to go through all of his surgerys with him too, then make up my time at work for being out... I had to have a mild surgery right after his first hip replacement and had no time to just heal, I had to get up and go to work with stitches in my side. If I have a cold or anything else I have to get up and go to work, because I have to pay the bills......No time off. > > > > When Larry was on the vent 3 years ago and in a coma, he had no clue the crap I was having to put up with his family, and I had to work, I would get up at 3am so I could go by the hospital and check on him, talk to nurse then go to work, then when I got off of work I would go back to the hospital and spend a couple of hours talking with the nurses and fnding out what was going on ,all the while having to put up with his family making comments about me not being there through out the day, and no it did not matter I had to work to keep paying for the insurance that was paying for him to be on the vent in the first place...When I do take time off of work it is to either take him to the Doctor, or its to get things done around the house that I have neglected. > > > > So yes you have the disease, but we have the burden to make sure you have all you need and when we dont then we get a second job. > > > > I would so love to have the man I married over 15 years ago, but he no longer exisits. The man that I am married to now, well though I love him, he is just not my Larry and I miss him so much..Not only that, I am not the woman he married, I am quick to anger, and ready to lash out and at other times I feel as if I am going to start crying, and feel that if I ever let myself start I would not stop for a while. I dont mean too but I have so much on my shoulders that I feel sometimes like taking off and never turning back. I hate it when he sleeps all the time, or when I get this punched drunk person because he hasnt slept in 5 days... I spend so much time alone that I dont even feel married. I try to keep myself busy, but It would be nice to hear, " Its ok honey, I'll take care of it... Or that I didnt feel quilty when I go have my nails done because he cant even go to the store with me...It seems to me that when he is up and > > able to do things I am at work or sleeping, because most of the time when he is up and feeling better its in the middle of the night. > > > > Knowing that stress will make a person with stills sicker, we, as caregivers, feel that we have to keep alot of things inside to keep from upsetting you. We try not to get into an argument because of the stress that it can create. But you can lash out and say whatever comes to mind, and we feel we have to take it because we dont want to cause anymore stress. And if we do lash out and start a fight and you become totally stressed out and get sick, we become the bad guys again. > > > > If you feel that you cant stay in the relationship then you can leave or throw that person out and everyone is understanding, but as caregivers if we feel we cant stay, then we become the bad guys. It is so hard to deal with sometimes, I have been doing this for almost 7 years, that you do feel like quitting. But the guilt in doing so, is crazy.... The caregiver wants to have a normal life to, just the same way you do, they want to have someone to take care of them at times, and to be able to take off without worry of getting somewhere and then not being able to do, because your down and out..... You have stills disease to worry about and to make sure you have all your meds and stuff. We have everything else to worry about, such as you, and making sure you have everything you need, plus the home, kids, work, buying food, running errands, and making sure that we get to the doctor when we can.....On top of that we dont know > > if we are going to get a call at work that something has happened to you or that we are going to wake up in the middle of the night, finding you layed out somewhere, due to a stroke or something. For most people that is a thought that occurs once in a while, if Larry does not answer the phone when I call in the middle of the day, that is the first thing I think about, has something happened, is he ok? Did he fall and get hurt bad, or did he have a major stroke and die...This is thoughts that always run through my head and I am sure through others. Each day I leave I wonder if something is going to happen. or when I get home and he is still in the same place ont he couch that I left him, I am almost affaid to approach him fearing he might have died in his sleep...These things are always in my mind, or I am afraid that I will get that call..and you know the call. > > > > In December I am going to England to spend a few days with my son, I wonder if I will really get to go, because I am worried that something will happen to Larry before I get out the door. Or what if something happens while I am gone???? I have not seen my son in almost 2 years and have not gotten to spend Christmas with him in 4. And I know that if something happens and I cant go I will almost hate Larry for it.. I dont want to but I know I will have those feelings...Like I said we just want to have a normal life, to be able to make plans for our future and have a better chance of being able to following them through. You see I am really afraid that something is going to happen to him, even though the plans are made and the plane tickets are bought, thanks to my son. This is a everyday feeling, not just once in a while but everyday.... > > > > I hate to see the man I married, who was always doing something, just sit around and do nothing,,,,He is either asleep, or so tired, like is said before, he cant even go to the store and help me buy food.....I ask him to make a phone call and it can take days before its is done. If I dont take him to to Doctor, most of the time he has to rearange the time so when he feels he can go on his own. 9 out of 10 times if Larry is going to take himself to the doctor, he ends up having to make a different appointment because he is so tired he cant wake up enough to go....When he has to go to the doctor in Charolett I have to take him because he cant drive that far.....Then again I have to make up my lost day at work up on the weekends..... > > > > I am not saying that a person with still disease has it better than the caregiver, I am trying to explaine how difficult it is for the caregiver..Not meaning to, but people with a chronic disease, can get so wrapped up in the problem that they forget about the problems that the caregiver has, and that just because we get to go to work and can go to the store or go on all day without having to stop and rest does not mean we have it easy...And I am not saying thay you dont care, its just that you can get so wrapped up in your disease that we are forgotten about...So please try to remember that we are not superhuman, we are only human, and we try to do the best we can do..There are those of us who seem to be able to do so much without complaint, but most people are flying be the seat of their pants.. I want to scream sometimes.. " Just get up and do something " Or " I dont want to hear how bad you feel today " Or sometimes " I dont > > care that you feel bad today just leave me alone. " Like i said we are only human and can only take so much...Some more then others... Sometimes it seems that Larry only thinks of himself, not that he means to, but, not only does he have stills, it seems that stills has him..... He seems to sleep, drink and eat Stills all the time, and I know that he does not mean to neglect me but there are times I want to say,,, " What about me, and what I need. " > > > > So those of you that have Stills, the next time you feel down and out, please stop for a moment and think about the one who is always taking care of you and thank them because just a little thank you can go along way, and remember that You may have Stills but we have to live with it too....... And please, dont think for one moment that I dont know how difficult it is to live with this disease, and I know that your dreams were smashed when you found out about it,,,I also know how easy it is to neglect, or shall I say be so secure with the one who is always there, and that you get so caught up in what you have to do to deal with it, that you do forget that person that has been standing beside you all the way...So from time to time please remember them..Send them some flowers to work just to say thanks for all you do for me. or when you can send them a card..Just a little reminder to them that you love them and are thankful that you have > > them in your life...... > > > > For those of you that have had caregivers to leave, the ones that tried and could not do it anymore, try to remember that they are only human and some people just cant handle seeing someone they love go through that change nor can some take the stress that comes with being responsable for everything. For the ones who have had their loved ones just leave, I am so sorry, because I would not consider them human at all.... I truly think that this is a horrid disease and I hope and pray that some day there will be some type of meds that can at least ease the symptoms. And I hope that this helps because you can get so wrapped in what is going on in your world, you can forget that your loved one lost their dreams too...Take care and may God bless you and keep you safe, and know that I care about each and everyone of you and hope that you understand why I wrote this... > > > > Patty Brown. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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