Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

July 3, 2009

Limin, my son has the CBS thing and couldn't tolerate NAC either.

As we went through chelation, he had a distintive caskety, bacterial smell coming from his mouth and skin. We weren't treating for bacteria though. Oreganol and Chlorophyll and Silva Solution were things that took care of the bacterial smell.

As far as the rotton egg smell, I would have to check my notes to see if he ever had that.

In my experience, small doses of ala (1/4 mg to 1 mg) given every three hours on the half life for three to five days do cross the bbb to remove toxins and are safe, there are many children recovering on the Andy Cutler protocol and this is one of the main components to it. They take it for three to five days on round the clock. They take vitamin C, Vitamin E, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E at the very least to support chelation. The E is given once a day and the rest are given every four hours on the half life because of water solubility.

July 3, 2009

Thank you, . I admire your preservation and success with Andy's protocol.

I did strictly Cutler chelation for two years - dosing, schedule, supporting supplements, and the whole drill around the clock for two years. After two years we were still not done with chelation. We did get whole lot of gunk out of my son - arsenic, cadmium, lead, nickel, and some mercury...you name it. I was not satisfied with the amount of mercury we'd got, and we hadn't got to aluminum. I felt that it was time for us to move on to try different tools, different modalities.

Limin

From: Badaboom

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 08:15

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Limin, my son has the CBS thing and couldn't tolerate NAC either.

As we went through chelation, he had a distintive caskety, bacterial smell coming from his mouth and skin. We weren't treating for bacteria though. Oreganol and Chlorophyll and Silva Solution were things that took care of the bacterial smell.

As far as the rotton egg smell, I would have to check my notes to see if he ever had that.

In my experience, small doses of ala (1/4 mg to 1 mg) given every three hours on the half life for three to five days do cross the bbb to remove toxins and are safe, there are many children recovering on the Andy Cutler protocol and this is one of the main components to it. They take it for three to five days on round the clock. They take vitamin C, Vitamin E, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E at the very least to support chelation. The E is given once a day and the rest are given every four hours on the half life because of water solubility.

July 3, 2009

Thank you, . I admire your preservation and success with Andy's protocol.

I did strictly Cutler chelation for two years - dosing, schedule, supporting supplements, and the whole drill around the clock for two years. After two years we were still not done with chelation. We did get whole lot of gunk out of my son - arsenic, cadmium, lead, nickel, and some mercury...you name it. I was not satisfied with the amount of mercury we'd got, and we hadn't got to aluminum. I felt that it was time for us to move on to try different tools, different modalities.

Limin

From: Badaboom

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 08:15

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Limin, my son has the CBS thing and couldn't tolerate NAC either.

As we went through chelation, he had a distintive caskety, bacterial smell coming from his mouth and skin. We weren't treating for bacteria though. Oreganol and Chlorophyll and Silva Solution were things that took care of the bacterial smell.

As far as the rotton egg smell, I would have to check my notes to see if he ever had that.

In my experience, small doses of ala (1/4 mg to 1 mg) given every three hours on the half life for three to five days do cross the bbb to remove toxins and are safe, there are many children recovering on the Andy Cutler protocol and this is one of the main components to it. They take it for three to five days on round the clock. They take vitamin C, Vitamin E, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E at the very least to support chelation. The E is given once a day and the rest are given every four hours on the half life because of water solubility.

July 3, 2009

Did anybody else find it interesting the doctor response about Andy Cutler at the conference? That was weird and unexpected.

Tami

Thank you, . I admire your preservation and success with Andy's protocol.

I did strictly Cutler chelation for two years - dosing, schedule, supporting supplements, and the whole drill around the clock for two years. After two years we were still not done with chelation. We did get whole lot of gunk out of my son - arsenic, cadmium, lead, nickel, and some mercury...you name it. I was not satisfied with the amount of mercury we'd got, and we hadn't got to aluminum. I felt that it was time for us to move on to try different tools, different modalities.

Limin

From: Badaboom

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 08:15

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Limin, my son has the CBS thing and couldn't tolerate NAC either.

As we went through chelation, he had a distintive caskety, bacterial smell coming from his mouth and skin. We weren't treating for bacteria though. Oreganol and Chlorophyll and Silva Solution were things that took care of the bacterial smell.

As far as the rotton egg smell, I would have to check my notes to see if he ever had that.

In my experience, small doses of ala (1/4 mg to 1 mg) given every three hours on the half life for three to five days do cross the bbb to remove toxins and are safe, there are many children recovering on the Andy Cutler protocol and this is one of the main components to it. They take it for three to five days on round the clock. They take vitamin C, Vitamin E, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E at the very least to support chelation. The E is given once a day and the rest are given every four hours on the half life because of water solubility.

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July 3, 2009

No, please do tell. I had missed the comments.

Limin

From: TamiDuncan

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 09:22

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Did anybody else find it interesting the doctor response about Andy Cutler at the conference? That was weird and unexpected.

Tami

In a message dated 07/03/09 09:21:45 Pacific Daylight Time, liminslett (DOT) net writes:

Thank you, . I admire your preservation and success with Andy's protocol.

I did strictly Cutler chelation for two years - dosing, schedule, supporting supplements, and the whole drill around the clock for two years. After two years we were still not done with chelation. We did get whole lot of gunk out of my son - arsenic, cadmium, lead, nickel, and some mercury...you name it. I was not satisfied with the amount of mercury we'd got, and we hadn't got to aluminum. I felt that it was time for us to move on to try different tools, different modalities.

Limin

From: Badaboom

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 08:15

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Limin, my son has the CBS thing and couldn't tolerate NAC either.

As we went through chelation, he had a distintive caskety, bacterial smell coming from his mouth and skin. We weren't treating for bacteria though. Oreganol and Chlorophyll and Silva Solution were things that took care of the bacterial smell.

As far as the rotton egg smell, I would have to check my notes to see if he ever had that.

In my experience, small doses of ala (1/4 mg to 1 mg) given every three hours on the half life for three to five days do cross the bbb to remove toxins and are safe, there are many children recovering on the Andy Cutler protocol and this is one of the main components to it. They take it for three to five days on round the clock. They take vitamin C, Vitamin E, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E at the very least to support chelation. The E is given once a day and the rest are given every four hours on the half life because of water solubility.

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July 3, 2009

I need to help me out with this one because I think it was during the ThriiiVE panel. got up to talk about how her son recovered on Andy Cutlers chelation program and one of our favorite docs was VERY negative about Andy. It was a bit surprising, I felt bad for because it was awkward for her. But at the same time I'm not a huge AC fan because he has posted some really mean stuff about our group, so it made me laugh.

Tami

No, please do tell. I had missed the comments.

Limin

From: TamiDuncan

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 09:22

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Did anybody else find it interesting the doctor response about Andy Cutler at the conference? That was weird and unexpected.

Tami

In a message dated 07/03/09 09:21:45 Pacific Daylight Time, liminslett (DOT) net writes:

Thank you, . I admire your preservation and success with Andy's protocol.

I did strictly Cutler chelation for two years - dosing, schedule, supporting supplements, and the whole drill around the clock for two years. After two years we were still not done with chelation. We did get whole lot of gunk out of my son - arsenic, cadmium, lead, nickel, and some mercury...you name it. I was not satisfied with the amount of mercury we'd got, and we hadn't got to aluminum. I felt that it was time for us to move on to try different tools, different modalities.

Limin

From: Badaboom

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 08:15

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Possible biotoxin production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

Limin, my son has the CBS thing and couldn't tolerate NAC either.

As we went through chelation, he had a distintive caskety, bacterial smell coming from his mouth and skin. We weren't treating for bacteria though. Oreganol and Chlorophyll and Silva Solution were things that took care of the bacterial smell.

As far as the rotton egg smell, I would have to check my notes to see if he ever had that.

In my experience, small doses of ala (1/4 mg to 1 mg) given every three hours on the half life for three to five days do cross the bbb to remove toxins and are safe, there are many children recovering on the Andy Cutler protocol and this is one of the main components to it. They take it for three to five days on round the clock. They take vitamin C, Vitamin E, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E at the very least to support chelation. The E is given once a day and the rest are given every four hours on the half life because of water solubility.

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July 3, 2009

The problem is nothing more that lack of open-mindedness. I appreciate that AC wrote a book publicizing Amalgam illness and that he has a chelating method in the book that many like, but that is not the only answer; it's just an answer. There are many who are close-minded, saying autism is only mercury or only yeast. But, obviously that is not the case or we would have many more recoveries. When I joined the A-M forum a couple of years ago, not one person was recovered, but my son who had not been chelated. You have all these people who relay they are the only ones who have the right answer but don't have the results to back it up. Therefore, as much as I do appreciate there is a lot of knowledgeable people on that forum, there are many ways to recovery, and it's not fair to say you have the only correct answer.

This is why I tell people to treat for all pathogen types and also toxins. I also say there are many ways to do it. If you search the forums, you will find good and bad responses to all treatments. And it's more than just the treatment choice, but also what the person can afford, understand, have time to do, etc. We start our recovery journey looking for one thing because that is what we have been taught. We learn that penicillin is for pneumonia and cough syrup for coughs. But, with autism we have to change our thinking and learn that we all have pieces of this puzzle, and many can be correct. Autism can be mercury, yeast, pleomorphic pathogens, viruses, etc. It can be all of them. We need to appreciate everyone's contributions and not say one way is the only way.

We have to be open-minded and glad for all of those who have helped discover or promote something. My motto is if it works then that's what really matters. So, if a treatment is working or a doctor is reversing symptoms, that is the bottom line, not the tiny details about his personality or if he makes money on products or something. And finally, I want to add that talking about any such things about who does not like each other, just can't be a good thing. It will only cause more problems. I say stick to the prize, information concerning recovery. It's about information and results. We have to put aside the other stuff, or it will just stand in our way. Besides, who has time to care about such things - I don't.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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July 3, 2009

The problem is nothing more that lack of open-mindedness. I appreciate that AC wrote a book publicizing Amalgam illness and that he has a chelating method in the book that many like, but that is not the only answer; it's just an answer. There are many who are close-minded, saying autism is only mercury or only yeast. But, obviously that is not the case or we would have many more recoveries. When I joined the A-M forum a couple of years ago, not one person was recovered, but my son who had not been chelated. You have all these people who relay they are the only ones who have the right answer but don't have the results to back it up. Therefore, as much as I do appreciate there is a lot of knowledgeable people on that forum, there are many ways to recovery, and it's not fair to say you have the only correct answer.

This is why I tell people to treat for all pathogen types and also toxins. I also say there are many ways to do it. If you search the forums, you will find good and bad responses to all treatments. And it's more than just the treatment choice, but also what the person can afford, understand, have time to do, etc. We start our recovery journey looking for one thing because that is what we have been taught. We learn that penicillin is for pneumonia and cough syrup for coughs. But, with autism we have to change our thinking and learn that we all have pieces of this puzzle, and many can be correct. Autism can be mercury, yeast, pleomorphic pathogens, viruses, etc. It can be all of them. We need to appreciate everyone's contributions and not say one way is the only way.

We have to be open-minded and glad for all of those who have helped discover or promote something. My motto is if it works then that's what really matters. So, if a treatment is working or a doctor is reversing symptoms, that is the bottom line, not the tiny details about his personality or if he makes money on products or something. And finally, I want to add that talking about any such things about who does not like each other, just can't be a good thing. It will only cause more problems. I say stick to the prize, information concerning recovery. It's about information and results. We have to put aside the other stuff, or it will just stand in our way. Besides, who has time to care about such things - I don't.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill.

July 3, 2009

The problem is nothing more that lack of open-mindedness. I appreciate that AC wrote a book publicizing Amalgam illness and that he has a chelating method in the book that many like, but that is not the only answer; it's just an answer. There are many who are close-minded, saying autism is only mercury or only yeast. But, obviously that is not the case or we would have many more recoveries. When I joined the A-M forum a couple of years ago, not one person was recovered, but my son who had not been chelated. You have all these people who relay they are the only ones who have the right answer but don't have the results to back it up. Therefore, as much as I do appreciate there is a lot of knowledgeable people on that forum, there are many ways to recovery, and it's not fair to say you have the only correct answer.

This is why I tell people to treat for all pathogen types and also toxins. I also say there are many ways to do it. If you search the forums, you will find good and bad responses to all treatments. And it's more than just the treatment choice, but also what the person can afford, understand, have time to do, etc. We start our recovery journey looking for one thing because that is what we have been taught. We learn that penicillin is for pneumonia and cough syrup for coughs. But, with autism we have to change our thinking and learn that we all have pieces of this puzzle, and many can be correct. Autism can be mercury, yeast, pleomorphic pathogens, viruses, etc. It can be all of them. We need to appreciate everyone's contributions and not say one way is the only way.

We have to be open-minded and glad for all of those who have helped discover or promote something. My motto is if it works then that's what really matters. So, if a treatment is working or a doctor is reversing symptoms, that is the bottom line, not the tiny details about his personality or if he makes money on products or something. And finally, I want to add that talking about any such things about who does not like each other, just can't be a good thing. It will only cause more problems. I say stick to the prize, information concerning recovery. It's about information and results. We have to put aside the other stuff, or it will just stand in our way. Besides, who has time to care about such things - I don't.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill.

July 3, 2009

OK ladies, through me you can be a fly on the wall of the autism mercury group right now. Someone asked about nail ridges on their son about round ten of chelation. I chimed in with an explanation on how it could be lyme disease. Andy responded that chronic lyme doesn't exist and the IGENEX test makes everyone positive. I chimed back and the ball is in his court.

OK...so what happened in the past with these boys? According to Dana, Andy came to the LIA conference one year and either Dr K said something to Andy or Andy said something to Dr. K and one of them got up after the other ones speech and contradicted it point by point. Now I already know that Andy has his opinions set in stone and he doesn't play nice. Also he doesn't appear to have as many conflict of interests as I saw the speakers at the conference had, I mean, take this supplement I own the company is a conflict, just to keep in mind, it bothered me a little. I need details....on that, like on which things does which person disagree with whom.

I mean Dr K and Dr C disagree on Taurine, but they were both there. I am sure they disagree on a lot of things. In a healthy relationship we should be able to disagree.

I thought I heard Dana said that "None of the children on the Andy Cutler protocol recovered" and that is just not true, many many children do recover on that protocol. Some go for round after round and do not, also.

July 3, 2009

I see that too Shanthi and I agree.

>

> I suspect Dr K wouldnt mind a spanking ;-)

>

> But in all seriousness, part of the reason they come up with their own brand

is cos they dont find supplements out there that meet all their criteria or they

have to look all over the place to find the right kind. Whether its for

contamination concern/frequency imprinting/form of the suppplement etc. Then of

course they will promote their own brand cos thats what they think is right. But

the way I think about it, for Dr K, if he wanted to make money, he could easily

double his consultation fee. He doesnt need to sell one more Chlorella bottle

and make money that way. He doesnt seem to be after money.

>

> Nothing against Andy Cutler, but he doesnt have ANY thoughts besides his

protocol for kids who just dont recover with mercury detox alone. It was the

first group I joined and was on for a long time, but realized theres nothing

more that the group has to offer. I need people who can think dynamically and

not one thats static and stuck in the same muck year after year. My kid is full

of all kinds of muck and I need to jump from muck to muck to clean up my kid and

get him better......

>

> Shanthi

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 1:04:42 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Possible biotoxin

production from lipoic acid and glutathione us

>

> I can only chime in to say two things...

>

> 1. Andy Cutler has NEVER been at one of our conferences - he has poo poo'd

the connection from day one.

>

> 2. I understand about the conflict of interest thing....it' s very difficult

to find any speaker who doesn't. Think about it....a doctor speaks, he then has

a conflict because he is promoting his practice. So it's nearly impossible. I

tell them NOT to preach about their products from the podium, but they all have

a mind of their own. I think DK does a fairly good job of NOT preaching, but

the others need a spanking!

>

> TAmi

>

> In a message dated 07/03/09 13:02:21 Pacific Daylight Time, badaboomkc (DOT)

rr.com writes:

> OK ladies, through me you can be a fly on the wall of the autism mercury group

right now. Someone asked about nail ridges on their son about round ten of

chelation. I chimed in with an explanation on how it could be lyme disease.

Andy responded that chronic lyme doesn't exist and the IGENEX test makes

everyone positive. I chimed back and the ball is in his court.

> >

> >OK...so what happened in the past with these boys? According to Dana, Andy

came to the LIA conference one year and either Dr K said something to Andy

or Andy said something to Dr. K and one of them got up after the other ones

speech and contradicted it point by point. Now I already know that Andy has his

opinions set in stone and he doesn't play nice. Also he doesn't appear to have

as many conflict of interests as I saw the speakers at the conference had, I

mean, take this supplement I own the company is a conflict, just to keep in

mind, it bothered me a little. I need details....on that, like on which

things does which person disagree with whom.

> >

> >I mean Dr K and Dr C disagree on Taurine, but they were both there. I am sure

they disagree on a lot of things. In a healthy relationship we should be able to

disagree.

> >

> > I thought I heard Dana said that " None of the children on the Andy Cutler

protocol recovered " and that is just not true, many many children do recover on

that protocol. Some go for round after round and do not, also.

> >

>

> ________________________________

> An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

>

July 3, 2009

this is what he said to me in a private email when I told him that zithromax

saved my life (gave me serious leaky gut and I am now sensative to gluten and

dairy)....

" I don't disbelieve it. (being lyme)

I just think most of the time it (tests through Igenex) is wrong. Sometimes it

is right. It isn't always easy to tell. "

what I get (but he comes off harsh) is that he plays devils advocate alot and

just wants to tell people to be careful, like things arent black and white and

tests arent always correct etc....

My Igenx labs said negative but thankfully my LLMD treated me with Zith, it was

an overnight miracle, of my deathbed... still deal with insomnia, and joint

pain and some fatigue etc...

deborah

>

> I can only chime in to say two things...

>

> 1. Andy Cutler has NEVER been at one of our conferences - he has poo poo'd

the connection from day one.

>

> 2. I understand about the conflict of interest thing....it's very difficult

to find any speaker who doesn't. Think about it....a doctor speaks, he then has

a conflict because he is promoting his practice. So it's nearly impossible. I

tell them NOT to preach about their products from the podium, but they all have

a mind of their own. I think DK does a fairly good job of NOT preaching, but

the others need a spanking!

>

> TAmi

>

> In a message dated 07/03/09 13:02:21 Pacific Daylight Time, badaboom@...

writes:

>

> OK ladies, through me you can be a fly on the wall of the autism mercury group

right now. Someone asked about nail ridges on their son about round ten of

chelation. I chimed in with an explanation on how it could be lyme disease. Andy

responded that chronic lyme doesn't exist and the IGENEX test makes everyone

positive. I chimed back and the ball is in his court.

>

> OK...so what happened in the past with these boys? According to Dana, Andy

came to the LIA conference one year and either Dr K said something to Andy or

Andy said something to Dr. K and one of them got up after the other ones speech

and contradicted it point by point. Now I already know that Andy has his

opinions set in stone and he doesn't play nice. Also he doesn't appear to have

as many conflict of interests as I saw the speakers at the conference had, I

mean, take this supplement I own the company is a conflict, just to keep in

mind, it bothered me a little. I need details....on that, like on which things

does which person disagree with whom.

>

> I mean Dr K and Dr C disagree on Taurine, but they were both there. I am sure

they disagree on a lot of things. In a healthy relationship we should be able to

disagree.

>

> I thought I heard Dana said that " None of the children on the Andy Cutler

protocol recovered " and that is just not true, many many children do recover on

that protocol. Some go for round after round and do not, also.

>

July 3, 2009