Re: OT--new digestive problems

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I know it will probably vary from practitioner to practitioner, but do you remember the cost of this test? From what I saw on the website, it looks like the doctor administers it in the office. That might make it labor intensive or time consuming for him, which makes me think it might be expensive.

I'd also like to know whether from your experience you'd think it would be at least somewhat equivalent to the gastric emptying study (the nuclear scan) all the gastroenterologists are recommending at this point. The Heidelberg website does talk about stomach-emptying in addition to measuring stomach acid. If it's capable of doing that, I have trouble understanding why all doctors don't simply do this test instead of putting patients through a nuclear scan. That was initially recommended to me a couple of months ago but I've balked at it. In the first place swallowing a radioactive isotope is hardly appealing, after hours of fasting even from water. And in the second place if the test determines I have reduced gastric motility, I know exactly what they'll do--prescribe a drug I refuse to take. So why go through their stupid scan? And now I find out there might be something much simpler and more benign that can deliver the same info. I just don't get modern medicine at all.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Peggy,My doctor in Washington never did either. I had to ask for it. It really will help you to determine if low stomach acid is at the root of your problems as I suspect it might be in part. Without stomach acid, we are vulnerable to any parasite that might enter on our food, which will further compound digestive issues. Add in a few antibiotics treatments and Candida and we have a recipe for poor digestion and leaky gut. Anyway if it is determined that you are low in stomach acid, coiling down Bart and Lyme and taking HCL may improve your symptoms.Take care,

[Guest guest]

It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much

it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it,

I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office

where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test

consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked

into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached.

It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a

wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get

used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The

computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline

environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was

diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL

with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had

been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very

slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state

fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are

misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true.

Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often

treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide

temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it

just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that

many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU

and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is

zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you

have KPU and low stomach acid.

>

> Thanks, . I know it will probably vary from practitioner to

practitioner, but do you remember the cost of this test? From what I saw on the

website, it looks like the doctor administers it in the office. That might make

it labor intensive or time consuming for him, which makes me think it might be

expensive.

>

> I'd also like to know whether from your experience you'd think it would be at

least somewhat equivalent to the gastric emptying study (the nuclear scan) all

the gastroenterologists are recommending at this point. The Heidelberg website

does talk about stomach-emptying in addition to measuring stomach acid. If it's

capable of doing that, I have trouble understanding why all doctors don't simply

do this test instead of putting patients through a nuclear scan. That was

initially recommended to me a couple of months ago but I've balked at it. In

the first place swallowing a radioactive isotope is hardly appealing, after

hours of fasting even from water. And in the second place if the test

determines I have reduced gastric motility, I know exactly what they'll

do--prescribe a drug I refuse to take. So why go through their stupid scan?

And now I find out there might be something much simpler and more benign that

can deliver the same info. I just don't get modern medicine at all.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

> Hi Peggy,

>

> My doctor in Washington never did either. I had to ask for it. It really will

help you to determine if low stomach acid is at the root of your problems as I

suspect it might be in part. Without stomach acid, we are vulnerable to any

parasite that might enter on our food, which will further compound digestive

issues. Add in a few antibiotics treatments and Candida and we have a recipe for

poor digestion and leaky gut. Anyway if it is determined that you are low in

stomach acid, coiling down Bart and Lyme and taking HCL may improve your

symptoms.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much

it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it,

I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office

where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test

consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked

into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached.

It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a

wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get

used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The

computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline

environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was

diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL

with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had

been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very

slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state

fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are

misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true.

Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often

treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide

temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it

just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that

many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU

and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is

zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you

have KPU and low stomach acid.

>

> Thanks, . I know it will probably vary from practitioner to

practitioner, but do you remember the cost of this test? From what I saw on the

website, it looks like the doctor administers it in the office. That might make

it labor intensive or time consuming for him, which makes me think it might be

expensive.

>

> I'd also like to know whether from your experience you'd think it would be at

least somewhat equivalent to the gastric emptying study (the nuclear scan) all

the gastroenterologists are recommending at this point. The Heidelberg website

does talk about stomach-emptying in addition to measuring stomach acid. If it's

capable of doing that, I have trouble understanding why all doctors don't simply

do this test instead of putting patients through a nuclear scan. That was

initially recommended to me a couple of months ago but I've balked at it. In

the first place swallowing a radioactive isotope is hardly appealing, after

hours of fasting even from water. And in the second place if the test

determines I have reduced gastric motility, I know exactly what they'll

do--prescribe a drug I refuse to take. So why go through their stupid scan?

And now I find out there might be something much simpler and more benign that

can deliver the same info. I just don't get modern medicine at all.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

> Hi Peggy,

>

> My doctor in Washington never did either. I had to ask for it. It really will

help you to determine if low stomach acid is at the root of your problems as I

suspect it might be in part. Without stomach acid, we are vulnerable to any

parasite that might enter on our food, which will further compound digestive

issues. Add in a few antibiotics treatments and Candida and we have a recipe for

poor digestion and leaky gut. Anyway if it is determined that you are low in

stomach acid, coiling down Bart and Lyme and taking HCL may improve your

symptoms.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It would probably be expensive at my doctor's office as he'd have to do it. It's him, a receptionist, and occasionally his wife, who's a nurse, comes in to do IV's. Everything is expensive there. Do you remember how long the whole test took?

Meanwhile, I've found someone who does Zyto testing, so I have an appointment for that. If I can get good info, maybe I'll be able to find out what's causing this and won't have to do more tests. But thanks for the info, . I'll keep it in mind and go for it if I need to.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it, I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached. It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true. Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you have KPU and low stomach acid.

[Guest guest]

It would probably be expensive at my doctor's office as he'd have to do it. It's him, a receptionist, and occasionally his wife, who's a nurse, comes in to do IV's. Everything is expensive there. Do you remember how long the whole test took?

Meanwhile, I've found someone who does Zyto testing, so I have an appointment for that. If I can get good info, maybe I'll be able to find out what's causing this and won't have to do more tests. But thanks for the info, . I'll keep it in mind and go for it if I need to.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it, I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached. It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true. Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you have KPU and low stomach acid.

[Guest guest]

The KPU test is only about $60 or so if I remember correctly, so its probably a

good one to have done with the prevalence in lyme patients.

Sherry

>

> It would probably be expensive at my doctor's office as he'd have to do it.

It's him, a receptionist, and occasionally his wife, who's a nurse, comes in to

do IV's. Everything is expensive there. Do you remember how long the whole

test took?

>

> Meanwhile, I've found someone who does Zyto testing, so I have an appointment

for that. If I can get good info, maybe I'll be able to find out what's causing

this and won't have to do more tests. But thanks for the info, . I'll

keep it in mind and go for it if I need to.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

>

>

>

> It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much

it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it,

I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office

where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test

consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked

into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached.

It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a

wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get

used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The

computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline

environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was

diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL

with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had

been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very

slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state

fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are

misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true.

Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often

treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide

temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it

just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that

many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU

and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is

zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you

have KPU and low stomach acid.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The KPU test is only about $60 or so if I remember correctly, so its probably a

good one to have done with the prevalence in lyme patients.

Sherry

>

> It would probably be expensive at my doctor's office as he'd have to do it.

It's him, a receptionist, and occasionally his wife, who's a nurse, comes in to

do IV's. Everything is expensive there. Do you remember how long the whole

test took?

>

> Meanwhile, I've found someone who does Zyto testing, so I have an appointment

for that. If I can get good info, maybe I'll be able to find out what's causing

this and won't have to do more tests. But thanks for the info, . I'll

keep it in mind and go for it if I need to.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

>

>

>

> It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much

it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it,

I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office

where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test

consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked

into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached.

It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a

wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get

used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The

computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline

environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was

diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL

with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had

been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very

slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state

fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are

misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true.

Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often

treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide

temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it

just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that

many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU

and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is

zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you

have KPU and low stomach acid.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The KPU test is only about $60 or so if I remember correctly, so its probably a

good one to have done with the prevalence in lyme patients.

Sherry

>

> It would probably be expensive at my doctor's office as he'd have to do it.

It's him, a receptionist, and occasionally his wife, who's a nurse, comes in to

do IV's. Everything is expensive there. Do you remember how long the whole

test took?

>

> Meanwhile, I've found someone who does Zyto testing, so I have an appointment

for that. If I can get good info, maybe I'll be able to find out what's causing

this and won't have to do more tests. But thanks for the info, . I'll

keep it in mind and go for it if I need to.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

>

>

>

> It has been so many years ago that I had it done, that I have no clue how much

it is. I don't think it was too much, since I don't think insurance covered it,

I would have remembered if it was a big out of pocket expense. In the office

where I had it done, one of the office people administered the test. The test

consists of a capsule that is hooked to wire of some sort. The wire is hooked

into a computer and you are asked to swallow the capsule with the wire attached.

It is a little uncomfortable at first if you have a strong gag reflex to have a

wire running down your throat. The wire is really small and you eventually get

used to it. You are then asked to drink a glass of baking soda water. The

computer then records how long it takes for your stomach to go from an Alkaline

environment back to acidic. Mine never did recover to acidic and so I was

diagnosed with Achlorhydria. Once I started taking fairly large doses of HCL

with meals, my horrible acid reflux went away and my gastritis pain that I had

been dealing with for years went away too. Some people's will recover very

slowly which means hypochlorhydria. If your stomach recovers to an acid state

fairly quickly, then you don't have low stomach acid. Often people are

misdiagnosed as having too much stomach acid when the opposite is actually true.

Allopathic medicine unfortunately does not recognize low stomach acid and often

treat people with acid reflux with an acid reducer. Although it may provide

temporary relief of symptoms, this is like pouring gasoline on the fire as it

just further diminishes a person's capacity to digest foods. I do believe that

many Lymies have low stomach acid, since there seems to be a link between KPU

and those who get sick with Lyme. The mechanism that produces stomach acid is

zinc dependent and if you excrete all of your zinc through your urine, then you

have KPU and low stomach acid.

>

>

>