Re: OT--new digestive problems

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Peggy, this might seem silly but try prune juice twice daily. If needed three times.To: Lyme_and_Rife From: twalters955@...Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:01:46 -0400Subject: Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Whitney,

Yes, same here--no benefit whatsoever from any of the conventional approaches, including supplements, hydrochloric acid tablets, slippery elm, enzymes, probiotics, and whatever else. I also coiled for bartonella aggressively, by which I mean twice a day for 30 minutes each time. But I wasn't having constipation problems at the time, and noticed no effect on my digestion one way or another. I've been coiling since June and this problem started only a few days ago.

I know about the enemas and have resorted to them because I understand I can't afford to have recirculating toxins. But I really need to find out what's causing this. Also I doubt the problem is coming from M. fermentans as I've been coiling for that for at least a month, so it should be reduced enough that any such problems would be history. In fact, the one problem I can attribute to M. fermentans was anxiety, and that disappeared while I was treating for it.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

HI Peggy, I have had constipation problems for the last 3 years-- and I have gone to every GI Dr under the sun and tried EVERYTHING conventional and otherwise with no benefit. When I started coiling for Bart really aggressivley I all of a sudden was able to go-- every day-- and feeling fully evacuated. It only lasted about 6 weeks (it was a great 6 wks). And now I am back to constipation.I'm not sharing this to get you down-- lol. The only way I have been able to have relief is to do water enemas every morning. Especially important because if you are constipated you are not detoxing-- its impossible. So thats all I do for now and it at least keeps me detoxed and lets me eat the food my body needs to get better (when your tummy hurts, you dont wanna eat-- I was down to 107 and I'm 5'7-- no good). Also I know you started coiling for mycoplasma. I'm starting tonight, I think I remember Myco fermantans can cause constipation....Whitney

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Hi Peggy,

I don't know of anything that cures Bell's Palsy of the gut... Good diet

helps... I am living with mine for 20 years, reamains about the same even though

I have improved from Lyme... It is a " functional " issue, not an organic one...

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

> >

> > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

> >

> > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone

here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating

Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

> >

> > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did

arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens

that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when

we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount

of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

> >

> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

>

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Hi Peggy,

I have it too. I tryed everything and it works while piling up .

recently I tryed after ozonated third aenema 20 cc of CS rectal.

The gut was quite happy if I can say as it began to ``gloue golue gloue`` , and one of the sign of plasie is a lack of noise from the gutSince then I do it again and I have th eimpression it is progressing. not sure yet, lik eth emobility is improving. It may be worth a try

God Bless you Peggy

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:54:10 PMSubject: Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Peggy,I don't know of anything that cures Bell's Palsy of the gut... Good diet helps... I am living with mine for 20 years, reamains about the same even though I have improved from Lyme... It is a "functional" issue, not an organic one... Take care,Jim> >> > I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. > > > > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we

know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > > > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > > > Peggy> >>

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I looked up the test for digestive residues, and it is Rosmed. The address I

have is 1333 Meridian Ave Apt 12, Miami Beach, FL 33139 TEL:

rosmedlab@.... The report doesn't have the overall test name but it says

" Health-Panel " with the following sub-categories: Stool-Flora, Digestive

Residues, Additional tests. The Flora are the GI good guys--also included in

the Metametrix test. The Digestive Residues is where you see the inability to

digest sugar. It includes: fat, protein, water, sugars, fiber. The

" Additional " includes bile acids, pancreatic elastase, and Secr. Immunoglobuline

A.

As I recall, my LLMD uses this lab as they are less expensive. You might be

able to find something similar elsewhere.

Besides the problem with sugar residue, my tests show very low levels of bile

acids which is another major contributor to GI distress.

GAPS diet intro or SCD (specific carbohydrate diet, see www.pecanbread.com) can

be very very helpful for GI distress and for promoting GI healing. You might

need to do this for awhile.

Sherry

>

> Hi Sherry,

>

> Thanks so much. This is interesting. No I haven't had a parasite test in a

long time. I'll talk to my chiro about it--she's able to order these things,

and I'm seeing her regularly for Graston. And yes, I'd be very interested in

knowing more about the second test as well--what lab does it, and which test it

is. They're much easier to order if you know exactly what to ask for. Thanks

again. I've been really worried ever since reading the post earlier today about

Bell's palsy of the gut--just what I need, something that may be incurable.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

>

>

>

> Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but

can suggest a couple of things.

>

> My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.

>

> Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one

that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion

is here (ordered by my LLMD):

>

>

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effect\

s-microbial-ecology

>

> This test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora

balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very

hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of

whether your probiotics are working.

>

> Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down

carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect

lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs

are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe

other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This test

showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed high in

the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD had me go on

the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I could not break

down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and nausea. I think the

test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you are interested and I

can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).

>

> Sherry

>

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Tried it--doesn't help at all.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

HI Peggy, I have had constipation problems for the last 3 years-- and I have gone to every GI Dr under the sun and tried EVERYTHING conventional and otherwise with no benefit. When I started coiling for Bart really aggressivley I all of a sudden was able to go-- every day-- and feeling fully evacuated. It only lasted about 6 weeks (it was a great 6 wks). And now I am back to constipation.I'm not sharing this to get you down-- lol. The only way I have been able to have relief is to do water enemas every morning. Especially important because if you are constipated you are not detoxing-- its impossible. So thats all I do for now and it at least keeps me detoxed and lets me eat the food my body needs to get better (when your tummy hurts, you dont wanna eat-- I was down to 107 and I'm 5'7-- no good). Also I know you started coiling for mycoplasma. I'm starting tonight, I think I remember Myco fermantans can cause constipation....Whitney

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Hi Sherry,

I treated bart twice daily for two months, so it seems unlikely it could be causing these problems. However, this all started WHILE I was coiling for bart, which may point to the fact that by reducing one pathogen load (or more, since I was also coiling for Lyme during that time), I may have allowed another pathogen load to increase. has told me that some pathogens are stronger than others, and function to keep the weaker ones in the background. When we decrease the load of the stronger ones, those that have thus far been suppressed can now appear as if for the first time--in reality they've been there all along, we just didn't know it.

No, I haven't ruled out parasites. About 10 years ago I did a lot of parasite cleansing following Dr. Hulda 's book, but if I were to do it again, I'd much prefer to have something more targeted. So I like your suggestion of the Metametrix test. When the Metametrix test revealed you had strongoloides, how did you treat it?

I'll talk to my chiro about ordering it--she has Lyme herself, and is receptive to my concerns. In fact, she leads the local Lyme support group which meets monthly (at night, when I'm too tired to go). Last month she did a presentation on Rife machines based on info I gave her. She'd been mostly unfamiliar with them till I started talking about my coil machine--now she's getting her dad to build her a coil.

She also talked to me just yesterday about doing some mercury chelation. She used an oral supplement herself and said the difference it made in her brain was amazing. I think she said it was DMSA. I tested high for mercury 3 years ago while in treatment with an LLMD, but we did nothing about it--I was having severe digestive problems then and he wanted to prescribe abx for bartonella because he thought that was what was causing it. But I couldn't take more abx because I'd already been on heavy duty abx for 4 months and was decimated. That's when I did the research on Rife, bought the EMEM, got off abx, my digestive problems cleared, and I got well enough to function. I'd had it up to here with medical treatment, so I didn't pursue anything further, thus no mercury detox. Now virtually the same digestive problems have returned, although now there's no possibility they're being caused by abx.

I did some reading about the SCD around that time, but when the intestinal problems cleared up once I got off abx, I didn't go any further. As I review the basic info, it doesn't seem to fit. I don't have cramps or diarrhea, and the foods on the intro diet immediately give me pause. The diet for the first few days suggests poached eggs; I can imagine eating that then being unable to eat anything else for the rest of the day. Two months ago it was routine to eat two poached eggs for breakfast a couple of times a week. But now all I can manage is tea and a 1.5 ounce GF protein bar, after which I'm unable to eat for about 4-5 hours. The intro diet also suggests broiled hamburger--when I eat that, I'm blown up like a zeppelin after only a few bites. When I got up this a.m. I felt as though I'd eaten a whole Thanksgiving turkey by myself, when in fact I'd had a small dinner a full 12 hours earlier. I could barely manage my few bites of breakfast. The problem seems concentrated in my stomach, although in the past few days it has advanced to include constipation. Anyway, I'll do more reading and try to evaluate whether or not this approach seems relevant, or at least worth trying. But on first look, it doesn't even seem possible.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but can suggest a couple of things.My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion is here (ordered by my LLMD):http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effects-microbial-ecologyThis test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of whether your probiotics are working. Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).Sherry>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. > > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

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I just joined the group but I do have another avenue to investigate if you

already have not. The may be a mechanical reason behind your constipation. The

innervation to your gut may be being affected via restrictions n your upper

spine/rib areas or even from the base of your cranuim where the vagus nerve

exits. There are gentle manipulation techniques that can be used to help with

this. They are more along the lines of the old time osteopathy that aren't

readily used very much now. Feel free to e-mail me or post teh area code or

city near to you so I can try and find a practitioner near you who may help. I

have a wholistic practice based on this manipulation and I have seen it help

many people with similiar problems

Good luck. All the best.

>

> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

>

> I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

>

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't

someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme,

treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

>

> Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise

after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that

have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've

reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of

logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

>

> Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

>

> Peggy

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'm doing this. I'm seeing both a myofascial release person and a chiropractor. I'm having visceral manipulation, as well as release techniques for the cranial area, upper spine, ribcage, etc. And Graston on top of the that. That's about all the p.t. I can handle for now. But if you'd like to look for the therapy you're talking about in my area, my zip code is 20676.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

I just joined the group but I do have another avenue to investigate if you already have not. The may be a mechanical reason behind your constipation. The innervation to your gut may be being affected via restrictions n your upper spine/rib areas or even from the base of your cranuim where the vagus nerve exits. There are gentle manipulation techniques that can be used to help with this. They are more along the lines of the old time osteopathy that aren't readily used very much now. Feel free to e-mail me or post teh area code or city near to you so I can try and find a practitioner near you who may help. I have a wholistic practice based on this manipulation and I have seen it help many people with similiar problemsGood luck. All the best.>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. > > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

[Guest guest]

Yay, Whitney! A fellow SCD'er! I've been on it for 2 years. Sounds like our

stories are similar, we should compare notes!

Sherry

>

> Sherry-- I'm an SCD-er too. I followed it religiously for about 1 year and

> now do a slight variation. That was before I knew I had lyme and thought I

> only had Celiac...I've got both, but I think the diet helped with both too.

>

> Whitney

>

> O

[Guest guest]

Yay, Whitney! A fellow SCD'er! I've been on it for 2 years. Sounds like our

stories are similar, we should compare notes!

Sherry

>

> Sherry-- I'm an SCD-er too. I followed it religiously for about 1 year and

> now do a slight variation. That was before I knew I had lyme and thought I

> only had Celiac...I've got both, but I think the diet helped with both too.

>

> Whitney

>

> O

[Guest guest]

Yay, Whitney! A fellow SCD'er! I've been on it for 2 years. Sounds like our

stories are similar, we should compare notes!

Sherry

>

> Sherry-- I'm an SCD-er too. I followed it religiously for about 1 year and

> now do a slight variation. That was before I knew I had lyme and thought I

> only had Celiac...I've got both, but I think the diet helped with both too.

>

> Whitney

>

> O

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

I am not sure but I put twice molecular silver after an aenema and got some mobility back I think

needs mote time to be sure

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 2:19:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems

Thanks, I'm doing this. I'm seeing both a myofascial release person and a chiropractor. I'm having visceral manipulation, as well as release techniques for the cranial area, upper spine, ribcage, etc. And Graston on top of the that. That's about all the p.t. I can handle for now. But if you'd like to look for the therapy you're talking about in my area, my zip code is 20676.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

I just joined the group but I do have another avenue to investigate if you already have not. The may be a mechanical reason behind your constipation. The innervation to your gut may be being affected via restrictions n your upper spine/rib areas or even from the base of your cranuim where the vagus nerve exits. There are gentle manipulation techniques that can be used to help with this. They are more along the lines of the old time osteopathy that aren't readily used very much now. Feel free to e-mail me or post teh area code or city near to you so I can try and find a practitioner near you who may help. I have a wholistic practice based on this manipulation and I have seen it help many people with similiar problemsGood luck. All the best.>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. >

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

I am not sure but I put twice molecular silver after an aenema and got some mobility back I think

needs mote time to be sure

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 2:19:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems

Thanks, I'm doing this. I'm seeing both a myofascial release person and a chiropractor. I'm having visceral manipulation, as well as release techniques for the cranial area, upper spine, ribcage, etc. And Graston on top of the that. That's about all the p.t. I can handle for now. But if you'd like to look for the therapy you're talking about in my area, my zip code is 20676.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

I just joined the group but I do have another avenue to investigate if you already have not. The may be a mechanical reason behind your constipation. The innervation to your gut may be being affected via restrictions n your upper spine/rib areas or even from the base of your cranuim where the vagus nerve exits. There are gentle manipulation techniques that can be used to help with this. They are more along the lines of the old time osteopathy that aren't readily used very much now. Feel free to e-mail me or post teh area code or city near to you so I can try and find a practitioner near you who may help. I have a wholistic practice based on this manipulation and I have seen it help many people with similiar problemsGood luck. All the best.>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. >

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

I am not sure but I put twice molecular silver after an aenema and got some mobility back I think

needs mote time to be sure

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 2:19:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems

Thanks, I'm doing this. I'm seeing both a myofascial release person and a chiropractor. I'm having visceral manipulation, as well as release techniques for the cranial area, upper spine, ribcage, etc. And Graston on top of the that. That's about all the p.t. I can handle for now. But if you'd like to look for the therapy you're talking about in my area, my zip code is 20676.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

I just joined the group but I do have another avenue to investigate if you already have not. The may be a mechanical reason behind your constipation. The innervation to your gut may be being affected via restrictions n your upper spine/rib areas or even from the base of your cranuim where the vagus nerve exits. There are gentle manipulation techniques that can be used to help with this. They are more along the lines of the old time osteopathy that aren't readily used very much now. Feel free to e-mail me or post teh area code or city near to you so I can try and find a practitioner near you who may help. I have a wholistic practice based on this manipulation and I have seen it help many people with similiar problemsGood luck. All the best.>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. >

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

[Guest guest]

The strongyloides was very hard to get rid of. I had to take prescriptions, the

first one didn't get rid of it. I forget the name. It then took two rounds of

Ivermectin before I finally came up clear on the Metametrix.

It makes a lot of sense to me to try to do the Metametrix--then you can try

coiling for a specific parasite to see if it helps. I don't know if coiling

could have changed the ratio of organisms in your GI tract, very imbalanced can

lead to these symptoms as well.

Mercury gets released when you kill lyme. Chelation has to be done carefully

and sounds like you can't handle much orally. My LLMD who treats many children

uses topical cream, DMPS I think. DMSA does move mercury in the brain, BUT you

don't want to do that if you are not excreting it well.

I wonder if IV nutrients might be the way to go first. You can't really chelate

successfully if your minerals are way off and I bet they are at this point.

With SCD intro, there's a lot of variation about what works and the bottom line

is, you eat what you can tolerate of these suggested foods. So you wouldn't eat

the hamburger or eggs initially. There is a support group with people who have

had very severe symptoms, and would likely be able to give you some good

suggestions. I think the GAPS diet into broth might be the best place to start

based on what you are saying. I ate dry curd cottage cheese and made homemade

jello with grape juice, gelatin and honey. Plus chicken/carrot soup that I

pureed. Many other people couldn't have tolerated that on intro either.

Sherry

> >

> > I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

> >

> > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

> >

> > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone

here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating

Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

> >

> > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did

arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens

that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when

we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount

of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

> >

> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The strongyloides was very hard to get rid of. I had to take prescriptions, the

first one didn't get rid of it. I forget the name. It then took two rounds of

Ivermectin before I finally came up clear on the Metametrix.

It makes a lot of sense to me to try to do the Metametrix--then you can try

coiling for a specific parasite to see if it helps. I don't know if coiling

could have changed the ratio of organisms in your GI tract, very imbalanced can

lead to these symptoms as well.

Mercury gets released when you kill lyme. Chelation has to be done carefully

and sounds like you can't handle much orally. My LLMD who treats many children

uses topical cream, DMPS I think. DMSA does move mercury in the brain, BUT you

don't want to do that if you are not excreting it well.

I wonder if IV nutrients might be the way to go first. You can't really chelate

successfully if your minerals are way off and I bet they are at this point.

With SCD intro, there's a lot of variation about what works and the bottom line

is, you eat what you can tolerate of these suggested foods. So you wouldn't eat

the hamburger or eggs initially. There is a support group with people who have

had very severe symptoms, and would likely be able to give you some good

suggestions. I think the GAPS diet into broth might be the best place to start

based on what you are saying. I ate dry curd cottage cheese and made homemade

jello with grape juice, gelatin and honey. Plus chicken/carrot soup that I

pureed. Many other people couldn't have tolerated that on intro either.

Sherry

> >

> > I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

> >

> > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

> >

> > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone

here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating

Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

> >

> > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did

arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens

that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when

we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount

of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

> >

> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The strongyloides was very hard to get rid of. I had to take prescriptions, the

first one didn't get rid of it. I forget the name. It then took two rounds of

Ivermectin before I finally came up clear on the Metametrix.

It makes a lot of sense to me to try to do the Metametrix--then you can try

coiling for a specific parasite to see if it helps. I don't know if coiling

could have changed the ratio of organisms in your GI tract, very imbalanced can

lead to these symptoms as well.

Mercury gets released when you kill lyme. Chelation has to be done carefully

and sounds like you can't handle much orally. My LLMD who treats many children

uses topical cream, DMPS I think. DMSA does move mercury in the brain, BUT you

don't want to do that if you are not excreting it well.

I wonder if IV nutrients might be the way to go first. You can't really chelate

successfully if your minerals are way off and I bet they are at this point.

With SCD intro, there's a lot of variation about what works and the bottom line

is, you eat what you can tolerate of these suggested foods. So you wouldn't eat

the hamburger or eggs initially. There is a support group with people who have

had very severe symptoms, and would likely be able to give you some good

suggestions. I think the GAPS diet into broth might be the best place to start

based on what you are saying. I ate dry curd cottage cheese and made homemade

jello with grape juice, gelatin and honey. Plus chicken/carrot soup that I

pureed. Many other people couldn't have tolerated that on intro either.

Sherry

> >

> > I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

> >

> > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

> >

> > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone

here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating

Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

> >

> > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did

arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens

that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when

we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount

of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

> >

> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C to bowel tolerance (if you could handle this) has made huge difference

for myself and a friend in terms of adrenal function and thyroid utilization.

The Adrenals have the highest concentration of C in the body and need it to make

cortisol. This might allow you to handle a little thyroid and it would have a

beneficial impact on constipation, would help kill bugs and support the immune

system and act as an antioxidant. IV's with C could be a place to start if you

can't tolerate the oral for now, although that wouldn't help the constipation

directly.

Sherry

>

> Thanks, Tamara, but I don't know how I would do that. I did everything I

could, but without cortisol the thyroid meds were unable to get where they're

supposed to go. So they ended up pooling in my blood, which raised my blood

pressure to dangerous levels and caused unrelenting insomnia, among other

things. I ended up being sent to a cardiologist and having to undergo multiple

tests to make sure my heart was okay. It was an ordeal, and although I visited

many doctors, not a single one was able to advise me how to deal with this. So

I've been stuck ever since.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

> Peggy,

>

> I know you have had trouble in the past with thyroid meds but being

hypothyroid will cause slowing down of your metabolism and you will have that

full uncomfortable feeling all the time. At some point your hypothyroid symptoms

will become worse and you will want to revisit treating your thyroid.

>

> Tamara

>

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C to bowel tolerance (if you could handle this) has made huge difference

for myself and a friend in terms of adrenal function and thyroid utilization.

The Adrenals have the highest concentration of C in the body and need it to make

cortisol. This might allow you to handle a little thyroid and it would have a

beneficial impact on constipation, would help kill bugs and support the immune

system and act as an antioxidant. IV's with C could be a place to start if you

can't tolerate the oral for now, although that wouldn't help the constipation

directly.

Sherry

>

> Thanks, Tamara, but I don't know how I would do that. I did everything I

could, but without cortisol the thyroid meds were unable to get where they're

supposed to go. So they ended up pooling in my blood, which raised my blood

pressure to dangerous levels and caused unrelenting insomnia, among other

things. I ended up being sent to a cardiologist and having to undergo multiple

tests to make sure my heart was okay. It was an ordeal, and although I visited

many doctors, not a single one was able to advise me how to deal with this. So

I've been stuck ever since.

>

> Peggy

>

> Re: OT--new digestive problems

> Peggy,

>

> I know you have had trouble in the past with thyroid meds but being

hypothyroid will cause slowing down of your metabolism and you will have that

full uncomfortable feeling all the time. At some point your hypothyroid symptoms

will become worse and you will want to revisit treating your thyroid.

>

> Tamara

>

[Guest guest]

I'm already doing magnesium to bowel tolerance, and even that isn't solving the problem. By which I mean that although it does cause elimination, there's still the feeling that the intestine itself is somehow frozen or immobilized. It's very strange. I'll try the vitamin C and see what happens. I've done it before, years ago, and it takes A LOT of vitamin C for me to reach bowel tolerance--many, many grams. I already routinely take 3 grams a day and nothing happens.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Vitamin C to bowel tolerance (if you could handle this) has made huge difference for myself and a friend in terms of adrenal function and thyroid utilization. The Adrenals have the highest concentration of C in the body and need it to make cortisol. This might allow you to handle a little thyroid and it would have a beneficial impact on constipation, would help kill bugs and support the immune system and act as an antioxidant. IV's with C could be a place to start if you can't tolerate the oral for now, although that wouldn't help the constipation directly.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy--- OK heres the deal, if you arent getting much luck with magnesium or C it is because of your metabolism. Magnesium and C work to increase liquid in your intestines-- most people are constipated because they do not have enough liquid in their body which leads to hard and dry stools, which are then not able to pass. If you are increasing the liquid (via C or Mag) and are still not getting the desired results, it is because your body IS immobilized-- your metabolism is not moving the food through your body, so C or Mag will not be your answer.

Solution....other than thyroid meds I dont have one. I would look up acupuncturists that might specialize in raising your thyroid. Whitney

 

I'm already doing magnesium to bowel tolerance, and even that isn't solving the problem.  By which I mean that although it does cause elimination, there's still the feeling that the intestine itself is somehow frozen or immobilized.  It's very strange.  I'll try the vitamin C and see what happens.  I've done it before, years ago, and it takes A LOT of vitamin C for me to reach bowel tolerance--many, many grams.  I already routinely take 3 grams a day and nothing happens.

 

Peggy

 

Re: OT--new digestive problems 

Vitamin C to bowel tolerance (if you could handle this) has made huge difference for myself and a friend in terms of adrenal function and thyroid utilization. The Adrenals have the highest concentration of C in the body and need it to make cortisol. This might allow you to handle a little thyroid and it would have a beneficial impact on constipation, would help kill bugs and support the immune system and act as an antioxidant. IV's with C could be a place to start if you can't tolerate the oral for now, although that wouldn't help the constipation directly.Sherry

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

Hi Whitney,

You sound as frustrated with my situation as I am. So--I've routinely consumed half a gallon of pure water daily for many years. So I should have plenty of fluids in my body. Magnesium and C both work for me to eliminate constipation. What I'm saying is that I can still feel that something isn't right, as though my lower intestine is frozen, lacks tone, isn't functioning properly, something like that. I've never experienced this before. I communicated via email with this a.m. and he's suggesting my digestive problems are likely coming from bartonella, so I resumed coiling for that today. We'll see what happens.

As to acupuncture, I know people who have great success with it. I'm not one of them. I've been to probably half a dozen acupuncturists over the years without any results at all. I saw one of them weekly for a year. Another I saw weekly for six months. I'm stubborn--if I think something should work, I keep trying. But nothing happened. I saw one the last time I had severe digestive problems--she did her thing, I felt no better, and ended up in the hospital the next day with a diagnosis of pancreatitis. So I don't have a good track record with acupuncture. I wish I did.

You'd probably give the same diagnosis--thyroid/adrenals--if I told you I've been so profoundly exhausted for the past couple of weeks I can hardly function. Again suggests this is bartonella, so I'm giving it a shot. I sure hope something gives sooner or later. I'd been doing so well with the coil, but now I seem to be at an impasse.

Peggy

Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Peggy--- OK heres the deal, if you arent getting much luck with magnesium or C it is because of your metabolism. Magnesium and C work to increase liquid in your intestines-- most people are constipated because they do not have enough liquid in their body which leads to hard and dry stools, which are then not able to pass. If you are increasing the liquid (via C or Mag) and are still not getting the desired results, it is because your body IS immobilized-- your metabolism is not moving the food through your body, so C or Mag will not be your answer. Solution....other than thyroid meds I dont have one. I would look up acupuncturists that might specialize in raising your thyroid. Whitney

[Guest guest]

lol-- oh i just know exactly how you feel is all :-)  Let me know how you do with the Bart coiling again-- that one is such a pain the butt because you have to do it twice a day.  When I first started coiling for bart I got immediate relief from constipation....which was a miracle for me, but after about 2 months it literally flipped like a switch and i was constipated again. I was doing 5 min coiling each on my feet, knees, stomach (and id drape my arms over the coil too) and head-- twice a day.  Do you think that was enough??  My constipation came back while I was still coiling...so it wasn't a symptom that came on afterwards.

Annnyways I hope you have some luck!Whitney

 

Hi Whitney,

 

You sound as frustrated with my situation as I am.  So--I've routinely consumed half a gallon of pure water daily for many years.  So I should have plenty of fluids in my body.  Magnesium and C both work for me to eliminate constipation.  What I'm saying is that I can still feel that something isn't right, as though my lower intestine is frozen, lacks tone, isn't functioning properly, something like that.  I've never experienced this before.  I communicated via email with this a.m. and he's suggesting my digestive problems are likely coming from bartonella, so I resumed coiling for that today.  We'll see what happens.

 

As to acupuncture, I know people who have great success with it.  I'm not one of them.  I've been to probably half a dozen acupuncturists over the years without any results at all.  I saw one of them weekly for a year.  Another I saw weekly for six months.  I'm stubborn--if I think something should work, I keep trying.  But nothing happened.  I saw one the last time I had severe digestive problems--she did her thing, I felt no better, and ended up in the hospital the next day with a diagnosis of pancreatitis.  So I don't have a good track record with acupuncture.  I wish I did. 

 

You'd probably give the same diagnosis--thyroid/adrenals--if I told you I've been so profoundly exhausted for the past couple of weeks I can hardly function.  Again suggests this is bartonella, so I'm giving it a shot.  I sure hope something gives sooner or later.  I'd been doing so well with the coil, but now I seem to be at an impasse. 

 

Peggy

 

Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems 

Hi Peggy--- OK heres the deal, if you arent getting much luck with magnesium or C it is because of your metabolism. Magnesium and C work to increase liquid in your intestines-- most people are constipated because they do not have enough liquid in their body which leads to hard and dry stools, which are then not able to pass. If you are increasing the liquid (via C or Mag) and are still not getting the desired results, it is because your body IS immobilized-- your metabolism is not moving the food through your body, so C or Mag will not be your answer. Solution....other than thyroid meds I dont have one. I would look up acupuncturists that might specialize in raising your thyroid. Whitney

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

Well I did my first coiling session about an hour ago and I'm totalled. I usually feel better at this time of day than I do right now, so I have to think I'm herxing pretty heavily. I've been feeling rotten anyway, so I could be wrong but this does feel like a bad herx. If so, it would mean is right and I have bart.

recommended that for now I try once every other day to see how it goes, so that's what I'm doing. And for now I've also stopped XMRV in favor of bart--one at a time is more than enough. Oddly, though, these symptoms (not the constipation but the stomach problems) actually began when I was first coiling for bart back in July. I started in mid-July with 832 and by the end of the month I had stomach pain. That's weird, if bart is what's causing the problem. Who knows what that could mean. All I know is that's the plan for now.

As to your 5-minutes-each coiling schedule, I do 5 minutes only on the abdomen, and two minutes everywhere else. "Everywhere else" means lower back, mid-back, neck/head, each shoulder, each hip, thighs, knees, shins, feet. So it's a total of 28 minutes per session. I don't know whether we're supposed to coil the liver for bart. Maybe someone will jump in with that info.

Peggy

Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems

lol-- oh i just know exactly how you feel is all :-) Let me know how you do with the Bart coiling again-- that one is such a pain the butt because you have to do it twice a day. When I first started coiling for bart I got immediate relief from constipation....which was a miracle for me, but after about 2 months it literally flipped like a switch and i was constipated again. I was doing 5 min coiling each on my feet, knees, stomach (and id drape my arms over the coil too) and head-- twice a day. Do you think that was enough?? My constipation came back while I was still coiling...so it wasn't a symptom that came on afterwards. Annnyways I hope you have some luck!Whitney

[Guest guest]

I wrote down that we are not suppose to do the liver for bart.  Hmm I will try a bart session tonight and see if i herx.  initially told me to coil every other day for Bart too-- but when you told me to go twice a day, thats when i started to see improvement.  So maybe start with everyother day, but i would consider twice a day too.

Whitney

 

Well I did my first coiling session about an hour ago and I'm totalled.  I usually feel better at this time of day than I do right now, so I have to think I'm herxing pretty heavily.  I've been feeling rotten anyway, so I could be wrong but this does feel like a bad herx.  If so, it would mean is right and I have bart.

 

recommended that for now I try once every other day to see how it goes, so that's what I'm doing.  And for now I've also stopped XMRV in favor of bart--one at a time is more than enough.  Oddly, though, these symptoms (not the constipation but the stomach problems) actually began when I was first coiling for bart back in July.  I started in mid-July with 832 and by the end of the month I had stomach pain.  That's weird, if bart is what's causing the problem.  Who knows what that could mean.  All I know is that's the plan for now. 

 

As to your 5-minutes-each coiling schedule, I do 5 minutes only on the abdomen, and two minutes everywhere else.  " Everywhere else " means lower back, mid-back, neck/head, each shoulder, each hip, thighs, knees, shins, feet.  So it's a total of 28 minutes per session.  I don't know whether we're supposed to coil the liver for bart.  Maybe someone will jump in with that info.

 

Peggy

 

Re: Re: OT--new digestive problems 

lol-- oh i just know exactly how you feel is all :-)  Let me know how you do with the Bart coiling again-- that one is such a pain the butt because you have to do it twice a day.  When I first started coiling for bart I got immediate relief from constipation....which was a miracle for me, but after about 2 months it literally flipped like a switch and i was constipated again. I was doing 5 min coiling each on my feet, knees, stomach (and id drape my arms over the coil too) and head-- twice a day.  Do you think that was enough??  My constipation came back while I was still coiling...so it wasn't a symptom that came on afterwards. Annnyways I hope you have some luck!Whitney

 

-- Whitney Schmucker