Re: OT--new digestive problems

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

MORA is an EDS (electrodermal screening) device. A MORA scan can theoretically determine, through the GSR (galvanic skin response) contact element of the unit, and corresponding software, which conditions exist in the body. I have been researching EDS devices. There are many on the market, in use by various practitioners. Results vary. MORA is just one among many EDS devices.

I would say that looking into getting an EDS scan might be useful. Below are some links I found on MORA and other EDS devices:

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora3.html

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora-pait.html

http://www.oirf.com/welcome_files/about.html

http://www.meridian-clinic.org.uk/mora-therapy.html (this clinic in the UK uses MORA - a good brief overview)

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1085 (article on EDS principles)

http://www.energy-medicine.info/eds-devices.html (listing of EDS devices - MORA is listed)

http://www.vitalgate.com/imedis-test (this clinic in NYC uses another device)

- Jane

Subject: OT--new digestive problemsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 8:07 AM

I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

Thanks as always, Jane. I'm wondering--if you've been considering this for yourself, have you come across any links to practitioners? From what little I've read, the machines are prohibitively expensive, so it would be necessary to find a practitioner rather than trying to buy a machine. I've been sitting here at the computer for the past hour looking under every term I could think of--EAV seems the most common. I'm finding very little, which is odd, since I'm within driving distance of D.C. and Baltimore, not to mention polis. I did find one link that seemed promising, but it turned out all the practitioners listed were either ministers, psychologists, Reiki practitioners, soul retrievers, shamans, or some variation of that. I guess when you're looking for what's considered energy medicine in any form, all bets are off and anything goes. Frustrating.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Peggy,

MORA is an EDS (electrodermal screening) device. A MORA scan can theoretically determine, through the GSR (galvanic skin response) contact element of the unit, and corresponding software, which conditions exist in the body. I have been researching EDS devices. There are many on the market, in use by various practitioners. Results vary. MORA is just one among many EDS devices.

I would say that looking into getting an EDS scan might be useful. Below are some links I found on MORA and other EDS devices:

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora3.html

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora-pait.html

http://www.oirf.com/welcome_files/about.html

http://www.meridian-clinic.org.uk/mora-therapy.html (this clinic in the UK uses MORA - a good brief overview)

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1085 (article on EDS principles)

http://www.energy-medicine.info/eds-devices.html (listing of EDS devices - MORA is listed)

http://www.vitalgate.com/imedis-test (this clinic in NYC uses another device)

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Thanks as always, Jane. I'm wondering--if you've been considering this for yourself, have you come across any links to practitioners? From what little I've read, the machines are prohibitively expensive, so it would be necessary to find a practitioner rather than trying to buy a machine. I've been sitting here at the computer for the past hour looking under every term I could think of--EAV seems the most common. I'm finding very little, which is odd, since I'm within driving distance of D.C. and Baltimore, not to mention polis. I did find one link that seemed promising, but it turned out all the practitioners listed were either ministers, psychologists, Reiki practitioners, soul retrievers, shamans, or some variation of that. I guess when you're looking for what's considered energy medicine in any form, all bets are off and anything goes. Frustrating.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Peggy,

MORA is an EDS (electrodermal screening) device. A MORA scan can theoretically determine, through the GSR (galvanic skin response) contact element of the unit, and corresponding software, which conditions exist in the body. I have been researching EDS devices. There are many on the market, in use by various practitioners. Results vary. MORA is just one among many EDS devices.

I would say that looking into getting an EDS scan might be useful. Below are some links I found on MORA and other EDS devices:

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora3.html

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora-pait.html

http://www.oirf.com/welcome_files/about.html

http://www.meridian-clinic.org.uk/mora-therapy.html (this clinic in the UK uses MORA - a good brief overview)

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1085 (article on EDS principles)

http://www.energy-medicine.info/eds-devices.html (listing of EDS devices - MORA is listed)

http://www.vitalgate.com/imedis-test (this clinic in NYC uses another device)

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Thanks as always, Jane. I'm wondering--if you've been considering this for yourself, have you come across any links to practitioners? From what little I've read, the machines are prohibitively expensive, so it would be necessary to find a practitioner rather than trying to buy a machine. I've been sitting here at the computer for the past hour looking under every term I could think of--EAV seems the most common. I'm finding very little, which is odd, since I'm within driving distance of D.C. and Baltimore, not to mention polis. I did find one link that seemed promising, but it turned out all the practitioners listed were either ministers, psychologists, Reiki practitioners, soul retrievers, shamans, or some variation of that. I guess when you're looking for what's considered energy medicine in any form, all bets are off and anything goes. Frustrating.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Hi Peggy,

MORA is an EDS (electrodermal screening) device. A MORA scan can theoretically determine, through the GSR (galvanic skin response) contact element of the unit, and corresponding software, which conditions exist in the body. I have been researching EDS devices. There are many on the market, in use by various practitioners. Results vary. MORA is just one among many EDS devices.

I would say that looking into getting an EDS scan might be useful. Below are some links I found on MORA and other EDS devices:

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora3.html

http://www.oirf.com/recinstr/mora-pait.html

http://www.oirf.com/welcome_files/about.html

http://www.meridian-clinic.org.uk/mora-therapy.html (this clinic in the UK uses MORA - a good brief overview)

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1085 (article on EDS principles)

http://www.energy-medicine.info/eds-devices.html (listing of EDS devices - MORA is listed)

http://www.vitalgate.com/imedis-test (this clinic in NYC uses another device)

- Jane

[Guest guest]

HI Peggy,   I have had constipation problems for the last 3 years-- and I have gone to every GI Dr under the sun and tried EVERYTHING conventional and otherwise with no benefit. When I started coiling for Bart really aggressivley I all of a sudden was able to go-- every day-- and feeling fully evacuated.  It only lasted about 6 weeks (it was a great 6 wks).  And now I am back to constipation.

I'm not sharing this to get you down-- lol.  The only way I have been able to have relief is to do water enemas every morning.  Especially important because if you are constipated you are not detoxing-- its impossible. So thats all I do for now and it at least keeps me detoxed and lets me eat the food my body needs to get better (when your tummy hurts, you dont wanna eat-- I was down to 107 and I'm 5'7-- no good). 

Also I know you started coiling for mycoplasma.  I'm starting tonight, I think I remember Myco fermantans can cause constipation....Whitney

 

I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months.  Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation.  Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine.  Everything just seems frozen.  I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. 

 

I know no one here has answers for this.  But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing.  Does anyone know anything about this?  It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.  So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. 

 

Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan.  If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them.  I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back.  But isn't someone here using an F-Scan?  I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. 

 

Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows?  But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months.  And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently.  So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

 

Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.

 

Peggy

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

Hi Whitney,

Yes, same here--no benefit whatsoever from any of the conventional approaches, including supplements, hydrochloric acid tablets, slippery elm, enzymes, probiotics, and whatever else. I also coiled for bartonella aggressively, by which I mean twice a day for 30 minutes each time. But I wasn't having constipation problems at the time, and noticed no effect on my digestion one way or another. I've been coiling since June and this problem started only a few days ago.

I know about the enemas and have resorted to them because I understand I can't afford to have recirculating toxins. But I really need to find out what's causing this. Also I doubt the problem is coming from M. fermentans as I've been coiling for that for at least a month, so it should be reduced enough that any such problems would be history. In fact, the one problem I can attribute to M. fermentans was anxiety, and that disappeared while I was treating for it.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

HI Peggy, I have had constipation problems for the last 3 years-- and I have gone to every GI Dr under the sun and tried EVERYTHING conventional and otherwise with no benefit. When I started coiling for Bart really aggressivley I all of a sudden was able to go-- every day-- and feeling fully evacuated. It only lasted about 6 weeks (it was a great 6 wks). And now I am back to constipation.I'm not sharing this to get you down-- lol. The only way I have been able to have relief is to do water enemas every morning. Especially important because if you are constipated you are not detoxing-- its impossible. So thats all I do for now and it at least keeps me detoxed and lets me eat the food my body needs to get better (when your tummy hurts, you dont wanna eat-- I was down to 107 and I'm 5'7-- no good). Also I know you started coiling for mycoplasma. I'm starting tonight, I think I remember Myco fermantans can cause constipation....Whitney

[Guest guest]

I dont want to tell you to stop looking for the cause, but I would recommend spending little money finding medical professionals to try to help...they wont.  Its due to one of the bacteria or microbs you have right now.  My thoughts are to deal with the Lyme and co's and when those are delt with I think the constipation will subside.

Whitney

 

Hi Whitney,

 

Yes, same here--no benefit whatsoever from any of the conventional approaches, including supplements, hydrochloric acid tablets, slippery elm, enzymes, probiotics, and whatever else.  I also coiled for bartonella aggressively, by which I mean twice a day for 30 minutes each time.  But I wasn't having constipation problems at the time, and noticed no effect on my digestion one way or another.  I've been coiling since June and this problem started only a few days ago. 

 

I know about the enemas and have resorted to them because I understand I can't afford to have recirculating toxins.  But I really need to find out what's causing this.  Also I doubt the problem is coming from M. fermentans as I've been coiling for that for at least a month, so it should be reduced enough that any such problems would be history.  In fact, the one problem I can attribute to M. fermentans was anxiety, and that disappeared while I was treating for it.

 

Peggy

 

 

Re: OT--new digestive problems

 

HI Peggy,   I have had constipation problems for the last 3 years-- and I have gone to every GI Dr under the sun and tried EVERYTHING conventional and otherwise with no benefit. When I started coiling for Bart really aggressivley I all of a sudden was able to go-- every day-- and feeling fully evacuated.  It only lasted about 6 weeks (it was a great 6 wks).  And now I am back to constipation.I'm not sharing this to get you down-- lol.  The only way I have been able to have relief is to do water enemas every morning.  Especially important because if you are constipated you are not detoxing-- its impossible. So thats all I do for now and it at least keeps me detoxed and lets me eat the food my body needs to get better (when your tummy hurts, you dont wanna eat-- I was down to 107 and I'm 5'7-- no good).  Also I know you started coiling for mycoplasma.  I'm starting tonight, I think I remember Myco fermantans can cause constipation....Whitney

 

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

I dont want to tell you to stop looking for the cause, but I would recommend spending little money finding medical professionals to try to help...they wont.  Its due to one of the bacteria or microbs you have right now.  My thoughts are to deal with the Lyme and co's and when those are delt with I think the constipation will subside.

Whitney

 

Hi Whitney,

 

Yes, same here--no benefit whatsoever from any of the conventional approaches, including supplements, hydrochloric acid tablets, slippery elm, enzymes, probiotics, and whatever else.  I also coiled for bartonella aggressively, by which I mean twice a day for 30 minutes each time.  But I wasn't having constipation problems at the time, and noticed no effect on my digestion one way or another.  I've been coiling since June and this problem started only a few days ago. 

 

I know about the enemas and have resorted to them because I understand I can't afford to have recirculating toxins.  But I really need to find out what's causing this.  Also I doubt the problem is coming from M. fermentans as I've been coiling for that for at least a month, so it should be reduced enough that any such problems would be history.  In fact, the one problem I can attribute to M. fermentans was anxiety, and that disappeared while I was treating for it.

 

Peggy

 

 

Re: OT--new digestive problems

 

HI Peggy,   I have had constipation problems for the last 3 years-- and I have gone to every GI Dr under the sun and tried EVERYTHING conventional and otherwise with no benefit. When I started coiling for Bart really aggressivley I all of a sudden was able to go-- every day-- and feeling fully evacuated.  It only lasted about 6 weeks (it was a great 6 wks).  And now I am back to constipation.I'm not sharing this to get you down-- lol.  The only way I have been able to have relief is to do water enemas every morning.  Especially important because if you are constipated you are not detoxing-- its impossible. So thats all I do for now and it at least keeps me detoxed and lets me eat the food my body needs to get better (when your tummy hurts, you dont wanna eat-- I was down to 107 and I'm 5'7-- no good).  Also I know you started coiling for mycoplasma.  I'm starting tonight, I think I remember Myco fermantans can cause constipation....Whitney

 

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

It's not just constipation--I'm having increasing trouble eating. Even though I have low blood sugar and need to eat something every 3 hours or so, I really can't manage food more often than about every 5 hours, and then it's an ordeal because I feel stuffed all the time. So something is wrong with my stomach, and apparently also with the large intestine. I don't know what's going on. I've been dealing with the stomach issues for 3 months, and now things just got a whole lot worse. But I do know that conventional medicine is useless, so there's no point looking for help where there's none to be had. On the other hand, though, I don't know if I can just wait till all the infections are dealt with. Some people say they've been coiling for a couple of years and still have a way to go. I'm losing weight here, so I need some kind of answer. That's why I'm considering the Mora machine or something similar. Things are just not great right now.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

I dont want to tell you to stop looking for the cause, but I would recommend spending little money finding medical professionals to try to help...they wont. Its due to one of the bacteria or microbs you have right now. My thoughts are to deal with the Lyme and co's and when those are delt with I think the constipation will subside.Whitney

[Guest guest]

It's not just constipation--I'm having increasing trouble eating. Even though I have low blood sugar and need to eat something every 3 hours or so, I really can't manage food more often than about every 5 hours, and then it's an ordeal because I feel stuffed all the time. So something is wrong with my stomach, and apparently also with the large intestine. I don't know what's going on. I've been dealing with the stomach issues for 3 months, and now things just got a whole lot worse. But I do know that conventional medicine is useless, so there's no point looking for help where there's none to be had. On the other hand, though, I don't know if I can just wait till all the infections are dealt with. Some people say they've been coiling for a couple of years and still have a way to go. I'm losing weight here, so I need some kind of answer. That's why I'm considering the Mora machine or something similar. Things are just not great right now.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

I dont want to tell you to stop looking for the cause, but I would recommend spending little money finding medical professionals to try to help...they wont. Its due to one of the bacteria or microbs you have right now. My thoughts are to deal with the Lyme and co's and when those are delt with I think the constipation will subside.Whitney

[Guest guest]

Yes-- I know exactly what youre talking about -- its horrible.  I know you can't tolerate thyroid medicine....but that is what changed all of that for me. It didn;t cure the constipation, but I no longer feel constantly full and bloated.  Maybe there is something in that area you can look into.

Whitney

 

It's not just constipation--I'm having increasing trouble eating.  Even though I have low blood sugar and need to eat something every 3 hours or so, I really can't manage food more often than about every 5 hours, and then it's an ordeal because I feel stuffed all the time.  So something is wrong with my stomach, and apparently also with the large intestine.  I don't know what's going on.  I've been dealing with the stomach issues for 3 months, and now things just got a whole lot worse.  But I do know that conventional medicine is useless, so there's no point looking for help where there's none to be had.  On the other hand, though, I don't know if I can just wait till all the infections are dealt with.  Some people say they've been coiling for a couple of years and still have a way to go.  I'm losing weight here, so I need some kind of answer.  That's why I'm considering the Mora machine or something similar.  Things are just not great right now.

 

Peggy

 

Re: OT--new digestive problems

 

I dont want to tell you to stop looking for the cause, but I would recommend spending little money finding medical professionals to try to help...they wont.  Its due to one of the bacteria or microbs you have right now.  My thoughts are to deal with the Lyme and co's and when those are delt with I think the constipation will subside.Whitney

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

I haven't been following this entire thread, but I wanted to make sure you've

tried eliminating ALL gluten. It made a huge difference in my digestive issues.

Good luck.

Sally A. Schreiber

________________________________

From: Lyme_and_Rife on behalf of T Walters

Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 1:19 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: OT--new digestive problems

It's not just constipation--I'm having increasing trouble eating. Even though I

have low blood sugar and need to eat something every 3 hours or so, I really

can't manage food more often than about every 5 hours, and then it's an ordeal

because I feel stuffed all the time. So something is wrong with my stomach, and

apparently also with the large intestine. I don't know what's going on. I've

been dealing with the stomach issues for 3 months, and now things just got a

whole lot worse. But I do know that conventional medicine is useless, so

there's no point looking for help where there's none to be had. On the other

hand, though, I don't know if I can just wait till all the infections are dealt

with. Some people say they've been coiling for a couple of years and still have

a way to go. I'm losing weight here, so I need some kind of answer. That's why

I'm considering the Mora machine or something similar. Things are just not

great right now.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sally. I have tried--it doesn't help.

Peggy

RE: OT--new digestive problems

I haven't been following this entire thread, but I wanted to make sure you've tried eliminating ALL gluten. It made a huge difference in my digestive issues.Good luck.Sally A. Schreiber________________________________From: Lyme_and_Rife on behalf of T WaltersSent: Mon 11/1/2010 1:19 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT--new digestive problemsIt's not just constipation--I'm having increasing trouble eating. Even though I have low blood sugar and need to eat something every 3 hours or so, I really can't manage food more often than about every 5 hours, and then it's an ordeal because I feel stuffed all the time. So something is wrong with my stomach, and apparently also with the large intestine. I don't know what's going on. I've been dealing with the stomach issues for 3 months, and now things just got a whole lot worse. But I do know that conventional medicine is useless, so there's no point looking for help where there's none to be had. On the other hand, though, I don't know if I can just wait till all the infections are dealt with. Some people say they've been coiling for a couple of years and still have a way to go. I'm losing weight here, so I need some kind of answer. That's why I'm considering the Mora machine or something similar. Things are just not great right now.Peggy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sally. I have tried--it doesn't help.

Peggy

RE: OT--new digestive problems

I haven't been following this entire thread, but I wanted to make sure you've tried eliminating ALL gluten. It made a huge difference in my digestive issues.Good luck.Sally A. Schreiber________________________________From: Lyme_and_Rife on behalf of T WaltersSent: Mon 11/1/2010 1:19 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT--new digestive problemsIt's not just constipation--I'm having increasing trouble eating. Even though I have low blood sugar and need to eat something every 3 hours or so, I really can't manage food more often than about every 5 hours, and then it's an ordeal because I feel stuffed all the time. So something is wrong with my stomach, and apparently also with the large intestine. I don't know what's going on. I've been dealing with the stomach issues for 3 months, and now things just got a whole lot worse. But I do know that conventional medicine is useless, so there's no point looking for help where there's none to be had. On the other hand, though, I don't know if I can just wait till all the infections are dealt with. Some people say they've been coiling for a couple of years and still have a way to go. I'm losing weight here, so I need some kind of answer. That's why I'm considering the Mora machine or something similar. Things are just not great right now.Peggy

[Guest guest]

bell's palsy of the gut happens to Lymies and when my liver/gall bladder gets

overtoxified, watch out cuz troubles coming. The adrenal glands, I have been

told are worn out if you have to eat all the time and maybe sign of

malabsorbtion. It is not an easy battle to win.

Things that I try to keep up on:

HLC/betain

magnesium/minerals/potassium

vitamin d/stinging nettle/NAC for hormones/adrenal support

digestacure---I hesitate to mention it, was on it for 6 weeks and saw

marked improvement and even strong herxing---in lymph

glands, with worsening when I ran out,and

improvment again when I got on, I honestly thought this would

be some kind of expensive placebo thing, and would be glad

to hear other comments, but that's my story

probiotic/kimchi at every meal

hope with other comments you can put a few ideas together Peggy! Take care, Jen

>

> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

>

> I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

>

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't

someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme,

treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

>

> Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise

after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that

have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've

reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of

logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

>

> Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

>

> Peggy

>

[Guest guest]

If what I have is Bell's palsy of the gut, and I coil Lyme down enough to more or less eliminate it, will this heal the Bell's palsy?

What is Digestacure? I'm already on all the other stuff.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

bell's palsy of the gut happens to Lymies and when my liver/gall bladder gets overtoxified, watch out cuz troubles coming. The adrenal glands, I have been told are worn out if you have to eat all the time and maybe sign of malabsorbtion. It is not an easy battle to win.Things that I try to keep up on:HLC/betainmagnesium/minerals/potassiumvitamin d/stinging nettle/NAC for hormones/adrenal supportdigestacure---I hesitate to mention it, was on it for 6 weeks and sawmarked improvement and even strong herxing---in lymph glands, with worsening when I ran out,and improvment again when I got on, I honestly thought this would be some kind of expensive placebo thing, and would be glad to hear other comments, but that's my storyprobiotic/kimchi at every mealhope with other comments you can put a few ideas together Peggy! Take care, Jen>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. > > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

[Guest guest]

If what I have is Bell's palsy of the gut, and I coil Lyme down enough to more or less eliminate it, will this heal the Bell's palsy?

What is Digestacure? I'm already on all the other stuff.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

bell's palsy of the gut happens to Lymies and when my liver/gall bladder gets overtoxified, watch out cuz troubles coming. The adrenal glands, I have been told are worn out if you have to eat all the time and maybe sign of malabsorbtion. It is not an easy battle to win.Things that I try to keep up on:HLC/betainmagnesium/minerals/potassiumvitamin d/stinging nettle/NAC for hormones/adrenal supportdigestacure---I hesitate to mention it, was on it for 6 weeks and sawmarked improvement and even strong herxing---in lymph glands, with worsening when I ran out,and improvment again when I got on, I honestly thought this would be some kind of expensive placebo thing, and would be glad to hear other comments, but that's my storyprobiotic/kimchi at every mealhope with other comments you can put a few ideas together Peggy! Take care, Jen>> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing. > > I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse. > > Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is. > > Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.> > Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.> > Peggy>

[Guest guest]

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but

can suggest a couple of things.

My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.

Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one

that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion

is here (ordered by my LLMD):

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effect\

s-microbial-ecology

This test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora

balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very

hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of

whether your probiotics are working.

Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down

carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect

lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs

are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe

other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This

test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed

high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD

had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I

could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and

nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you

are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).

Sherry

>

> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

>

> I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

>

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't

someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme,

treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

>

> Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise

after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that

have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've

reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of

logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

>

> Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

>

> Peggy

>

[Guest guest]

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but

can suggest a couple of things.

My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.

Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one

that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion

is here (ordered by my LLMD):

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effect\

s-microbial-ecology

This test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora

balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very

hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of

whether your probiotics are working.

Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down

carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect

lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs

are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe

other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This

test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed

high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD

had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I

could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and

nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you

are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).

Sherry

>

> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late

July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had

in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be

moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems

frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

>

> I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted

recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that

was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It

appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they

have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects.

So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel,

knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

>

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember

correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to

treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't

someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme,

treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

>

> Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise

after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that

have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've

reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of

logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

>

> Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the

wilderness here.

>

> Peggy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

Thanks so much. This is interesting. No I haven't had a parasite test in a long time. I'll talk to my chiro about it--she's able to order these things, and I'm seeing her regularly for Graston. And yes, I'd be very interested in knowing more about the second test as well--what lab does it, and which test it is. They're much easier to order if you know exactly what to ask for. Thanks again. I've been really worried ever since reading the post earlier today about Bell's palsy of the gut--just what I need, something that may be incurable.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but can suggest a couple of things.My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion is here (ordered by my LLMD):http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effects-microbial-ecologyThis test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of whether your probiotics are working. Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).Sherry

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

Thanks so much. This is interesting. No I haven't had a parasite test in a long time. I'll talk to my chiro about it--she's able to order these things, and I'm seeing her regularly for Graston. And yes, I'd be very interested in knowing more about the second test as well--what lab does it, and which test it is. They're much easier to order if you know exactly what to ask for. Thanks again. I've been really worried ever since reading the post earlier today about Bell's palsy of the gut--just what I need, something that may be incurable.

Peggy

Re: OT--new digestive problems

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but can suggest a couple of things.My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion is here (ordered by my LLMD):http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effects-microbial-ecologyThis test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of whether your probiotics are working. Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).Sherry

[Guest guest]

Peggy, this is not an analysis of your problem, just a possible suggestion to help the constipation: inulin. This is a prebiotic that feeds good bacteria and had been recommended on the candidias group site. I have had chronic constipation for years and on being instructed to get off my laxative ( Miralax) I was instructed to start taking the powdered inulin ( Now Product) and soon I was fine as concerns constipation., DougSubject: OT--new digestive problemsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 8:07 AM

I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

Peggy, this is not an analysis of your problem, just a possible suggestion to help the constipation: inulin. This is a prebiotic that feeds good bacteria and had been recommended on the candidias group site. I have had chronic constipation for years and on being instructed to get off my laxative ( Miralax) I was instructed to start taking the powdered inulin ( Now Product) and soon I was fine as concerns constipation., DougSubject: OT--new digestive problemsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 8:07 AM

I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

Sherry-- I'm an SCD-er too. I followed it religiously for about 1 year and now do a slight variation. That was before I knew I had lyme and thought I only had Celiac...I've got both, but I think the diet helped with both too.

Whitney

 

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but can suggest a couple of things.

My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.

Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion is here (ordered by my LLMD):

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effects-microbial-ecology

This test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of whether your probiotics are working.

Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).

Sherry

>

> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

>

> I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

>

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

>

> Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

>

> Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.

>

> Peggy

>

-- Whitney Schmucker

[Guest guest]

Sherry-- I'm an SCD-er too. I followed it religiously for about 1 year and now do a slight variation. That was before I knew I had lyme and thought I only had Celiac...I've got both, but I think the diet helped with both too.

Whitney

 

Peggy this is very similar to what I have experienced. I'm not yet rifing, but can suggest a couple of things.

My friend with lyme had a lot of gut issues that cleared after treating Bart.

Have you ruled out parasites? I had strongyloides (which I have read is one that hasn't responded well to rife). The best test for parasites in my opinion is here (ordered by my LLMD):

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/gi-effects-microbial-ecology

This test checks for the DNA of parasites as well as normal gut flora balances--so it is WAY more sensitive than other tests. Strongyloides is very hard to pick up on labs but this lab caught it. It also gives you some sense of whether your probiotics are working.

Secondly, my gut issues have also been related to the inability to break down carbohydrate. Since lyme has been connected to gluten intolerance, I suspect lyme is connected to this problem as well because the enzymes to digest carbs are made in the intestinal villa which get damaged in celiac disease (and maybe other reasons). There is a test I had that checks for stool residues. This test showed I was excreting way to much sugar--which is normally all absorbed high in the digestive tract. It also showed poor digestion overall. My LLMD had me go on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which eliminates the carbs that I could not break down. It made a HUGE difference in intestinal motility and nausea. I think the test was via Vitamin Diagnostics, but let me know if you are interested and I can look it up. (Also ordered by my LLMD).

Sherry

>

> I've reported here that I've been having stomach problems since late July--that's 3 full months. Now there's a new symptom, something I've never had in my life before--constipation. Just as my stomach muscles seem not to be moving, so with the lower part of the large intestine. Everything just seems frozen. I've done nothing different--no new foods, no new supplements, nothing.

>

> I know no one here has answers for this. But I believe that someone posted recently that they'd spoken to Stolar and that he'd had some problem that was identified via Mora testing. Does anyone know anything about this? It appeals to me because I've been to umpteen gastro appointments so I know they have nothing to offer but drugs that don't work and have horrific side effects. So I'm looking for an alternative to that path, which I refuse to travel, knowing it would do nothing but make me worse.

>

> Also, several years ago I read a bit about the F-Scan. If I remember correctly, it too was able to identify pathogens, and also had the ability to treat them. I may have misunderstood this--it was awhile back. But isn't someone here using an F-Scan? I know it's not the perfect machine for Lyme, treating Lyme isn't helping with whatever this is.

>

> Maybe this isn't even being caused by a pathogen--who knows? But it did arise after I'd been coiling for a couple of months. And we know that pathogens that have been suppressed by stronger pathogens do rear their ugly heads when we've reduced certain bacterial loads sufficiently. So there's a certain amount of logic to thinking it's yet another pathogen.

>

> Any help would be very much appreciated, as I'm pretty much wandering in the wilderness here.

>

> Peggy

>

-- Whitney Schmucker