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Sonja,

Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not have to

guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of everything he needs

in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements, amino acids, omega threes, and

the list goes on..........just start out slow, get your son used to it and if he

takes to it you will have found a great treasure of healing energies.....without

the appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work well and

without deep nutritional support chelation can be a nightmare.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

http://www.imva.info

help with vitamins

Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for my son. I

can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the right ones, etc. I've

been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire website, and many more.

Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound advice on which

vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt with a doctor here in Michigan

this coming week, but I'd like to get as much info on vitamins before I go.

Maybe even get him started on something soon. He is not currently taking

anything....I've just discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never

attributed his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty convinced

that was what did it.

I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has been tried and

works!

Thank you!

Sonja West

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Sonja,

Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not have to

guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of everything he needs

in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements, amino acids, omega threes, and

the list goes on..........just start out slow, get your son used to it and if he

takes to it you will have found a great treasure of healing energies.....without

the appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work well and

without deep nutritional support chelation can be a nightmare.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

http://www.imva.info

help with vitamins

Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for my son. I

can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the right ones, etc. I've

been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire website, and many more.

Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound advice on which

vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt with a doctor here in Michigan

this coming week, but I'd like to get as much info on vitamins before I go.

Maybe even get him started on something soon. He is not currently taking

anything....I've just discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never

attributed his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty convinced

that was what did it.

I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has been tried and

works!

Thank you!

Sonja West

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Sonja,

Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not have to

guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of everything he needs

in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements, amino acids, omega threes, and

the list goes on..........just start out slow, get your son used to it and if he

takes to it you will have found a great treasure of healing energies.....without

the appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work well and

without deep nutritional support chelation can be a nightmare.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

http://www.imva.info

help with vitamins

Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for my son. I

can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the right ones, etc. I've

been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire website, and many more.

Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound advice on which

vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt with a doctor here in Michigan

this coming week, but I'd like to get as much info on vitamins before I go.

Maybe even get him started on something soon. He is not currently taking

anything....I've just discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never

attributed his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty convinced

that was what did it.

I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has been tried and

works!

Thank you!

Sonja West

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Hi Sonya and welcome!

It is daunting at the beginning but it will all begin to make sense

so hang in there.

I think you can use Dr. JM's book as a guide until you see your DAN!

doctor. That doctor will likely do tests to determine exactly what

your child needs and tailor his protocol to his exact needs. In the

meantime you can start some basic minerals... You can get some Zinc

( Picolinate or Monomethionine are well absorbed usually)to start

with. If you happen to find Thorne Picmins in your area, it is a

great mineral supplement with both Zinc and Selenium in it. You

might also add some Vitamin C and B Vitamins (B6 in the form of P5P

is one suggested) but a B complex would work also most likely. You

also need to start some Essential Fatty Acids-Omega 3's. There are

some of these that are made for children (watch for extra

ingredients though like flavorings, food colorings and sugar

substitutes that may not be good for our kids) and you might just

get some good ole' Cod Liver Oil and start with that.

I'd also suggest strongly getting a good Priobiotic and starting

that slowly. All of our guts can use a little extra good bacteria

and chances are your child may have some gut issues. There are many

good brands but since this is near your appt, I'd just get something

local that will get you started and then see what your doctor

recommends. There are other vitamins/minerals that your child likely

needs but with your appt so close, you can likely wait. It is

suggested to start each thing alone to make sure of tolerance. And

most of all START LOW AND SLOW! :) Do really low doses and build up.

The things I mentioned above can likely be used no matter what DAN!

doctor you see so I think it would be things you can continue to use

after your appt or for times when you may need some extra

supplementation.

FYI, we used Kirkman's Super Nu Thera initially before we saw Dr. JM

but now I really feel it is better to give separate nutrients

initially at least so you can tell what is causing a problem if the

child has a negative reaction to something. Just be sure to get

brands that do not have lot of additives in them. We use Thorne and

a few other brands mainly that Dr. JM mentioned in her book but you

may not be able to find those locally. There are usually brands even

in smaller community health food stores however that are free of

additives so just look around. Your doctor will likely have a

preference for brands/etc and so you can wait to order most things

after your appointment and testing.

Good luck.. I feel that the testing and DAN! protocol is so

essential to recovery. My little boy did very well on it and he was

able to recover by using the individualized supplements that Dr.

McCandless prescribed. Giving a child exactly what they need can

only help and I'm so grateful for the testing and the skill of our

doctors in knowing what to prescribe. It is proven to be effective

and that was important to me. No two children will respond the same

but these methods have proven so effective for so many... it's not

easy by any means (btw.. also suggested is gluten /casein free diet

along with removal of soy, corn and sugar too), but there is a lot

of confirmed success with the DAN! protocol. It is a bit

overwhelming at first but giving your child exactly what they need

and controlling diet and treating the gut are all steps toward

getting better... along with chelation if needed. You're on the

right track so just hang in there and know it will all fall into

place. :)I can recall feeling exactly like you do. I didn't want to

waste a day either! :))

I'm sure you'll be in good hands with your doctor and they can get

you on the right track.

Keep us posted and blessings,

All the best,

www.slatersjourney.blog-city.com

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for

my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the

right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

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Hi Sonya and welcome!

It is daunting at the beginning but it will all begin to make sense

so hang in there.

I think you can use Dr. JM's book as a guide until you see your DAN!

doctor. That doctor will likely do tests to determine exactly what

your child needs and tailor his protocol to his exact needs. In the

meantime you can start some basic minerals... You can get some Zinc

( Picolinate or Monomethionine are well absorbed usually)to start

with. If you happen to find Thorne Picmins in your area, it is a

great mineral supplement with both Zinc and Selenium in it. You

might also add some Vitamin C and B Vitamins (B6 in the form of P5P

is one suggested) but a B complex would work also most likely. You

also need to start some Essential Fatty Acids-Omega 3's. There are

some of these that are made for children (watch for extra

ingredients though like flavorings, food colorings and sugar

substitutes that may not be good for our kids) and you might just

get some good ole' Cod Liver Oil and start with that.

I'd also suggest strongly getting a good Priobiotic and starting

that slowly. All of our guts can use a little extra good bacteria

and chances are your child may have some gut issues. There are many

good brands but since this is near your appt, I'd just get something

local that will get you started and then see what your doctor

recommends. There are other vitamins/minerals that your child likely

needs but with your appt so close, you can likely wait. It is

suggested to start each thing alone to make sure of tolerance. And

most of all START LOW AND SLOW! :) Do really low doses and build up.

The things I mentioned above can likely be used no matter what DAN!

doctor you see so I think it would be things you can continue to use

after your appt or for times when you may need some extra

supplementation.

FYI, we used Kirkman's Super Nu Thera initially before we saw Dr. JM

but now I really feel it is better to give separate nutrients

initially at least so you can tell what is causing a problem if the

child has a negative reaction to something. Just be sure to get

brands that do not have lot of additives in them. We use Thorne and

a few other brands mainly that Dr. JM mentioned in her book but you

may not be able to find those locally. There are usually brands even

in smaller community health food stores however that are free of

additives so just look around. Your doctor will likely have a

preference for brands/etc and so you can wait to order most things

after your appointment and testing.

Good luck.. I feel that the testing and DAN! protocol is so

essential to recovery. My little boy did very well on it and he was

able to recover by using the individualized supplements that Dr.

McCandless prescribed. Giving a child exactly what they need can

only help and I'm so grateful for the testing and the skill of our

doctors in knowing what to prescribe. It is proven to be effective

and that was important to me. No two children will respond the same

but these methods have proven so effective for so many... it's not

easy by any means (btw.. also suggested is gluten /casein free diet

along with removal of soy, corn and sugar too), but there is a lot

of confirmed success with the DAN! protocol. It is a bit

overwhelming at first but giving your child exactly what they need

and controlling diet and treating the gut are all steps toward

getting better... along with chelation if needed. You're on the

right track so just hang in there and know it will all fall into

place. :)I can recall feeling exactly like you do. I didn't want to

waste a day either! :))

I'm sure you'll be in good hands with your doctor and they can get

you on the right track.

Keep us posted and blessings,

All the best,

www.slatersjourney.blog-city.com

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for

my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the

right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

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Hi Sonya and welcome!

It is daunting at the beginning but it will all begin to make sense

so hang in there.

I think you can use Dr. JM's book as a guide until you see your DAN!

doctor. That doctor will likely do tests to determine exactly what

your child needs and tailor his protocol to his exact needs. In the

meantime you can start some basic minerals... You can get some Zinc

( Picolinate or Monomethionine are well absorbed usually)to start

with. If you happen to find Thorne Picmins in your area, it is a

great mineral supplement with both Zinc and Selenium in it. You

might also add some Vitamin C and B Vitamins (B6 in the form of P5P

is one suggested) but a B complex would work also most likely. You

also need to start some Essential Fatty Acids-Omega 3's. There are

some of these that are made for children (watch for extra

ingredients though like flavorings, food colorings and sugar

substitutes that may not be good for our kids) and you might just

get some good ole' Cod Liver Oil and start with that.

I'd also suggest strongly getting a good Priobiotic and starting

that slowly. All of our guts can use a little extra good bacteria

and chances are your child may have some gut issues. There are many

good brands but since this is near your appt, I'd just get something

local that will get you started and then see what your doctor

recommends. There are other vitamins/minerals that your child likely

needs but with your appt so close, you can likely wait. It is

suggested to start each thing alone to make sure of tolerance. And

most of all START LOW AND SLOW! :) Do really low doses and build up.

The things I mentioned above can likely be used no matter what DAN!

doctor you see so I think it would be things you can continue to use

after your appt or for times when you may need some extra

supplementation.

FYI, we used Kirkman's Super Nu Thera initially before we saw Dr. JM

but now I really feel it is better to give separate nutrients

initially at least so you can tell what is causing a problem if the

child has a negative reaction to something. Just be sure to get

brands that do not have lot of additives in them. We use Thorne and

a few other brands mainly that Dr. JM mentioned in her book but you

may not be able to find those locally. There are usually brands even

in smaller community health food stores however that are free of

additives so just look around. Your doctor will likely have a

preference for brands/etc and so you can wait to order most things

after your appointment and testing.

Good luck.. I feel that the testing and DAN! protocol is so

essential to recovery. My little boy did very well on it and he was

able to recover by using the individualized supplements that Dr.

McCandless prescribed. Giving a child exactly what they need can

only help and I'm so grateful for the testing and the skill of our

doctors in knowing what to prescribe. It is proven to be effective

and that was important to me. No two children will respond the same

but these methods have proven so effective for so many... it's not

easy by any means (btw.. also suggested is gluten /casein free diet

along with removal of soy, corn and sugar too), but there is a lot

of confirmed success with the DAN! protocol. It is a bit

overwhelming at first but giving your child exactly what they need

and controlling diet and treating the gut are all steps toward

getting better... along with chelation if needed. You're on the

right track so just hang in there and know it will all fall into

place. :)I can recall feeling exactly like you do. I didn't want to

waste a day either! :))

I'm sure you'll be in good hands with your doctor and they can get

you on the right track.

Keep us posted and blessings,

All the best,

www.slatersjourney.blog-city.com

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for

my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the

right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

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Hi Sonja, we've all been there, it's pretty confusing to say the

least. My son takes lots of supplements from varies places, but his

Multi Vitamin and Mineral come from Brainchild Nutritionals. You

can take a look at their website for more information.

www.brainchildnutritionals.com

We had lots of trouble finding supplements that our son could

handle, these worked out very well for us. Now he seems to tolerate

anything we throw at him!

You might want to wait until you see your DAN! before ordering if

you have an appointment this week. The Dr. may have a brand he/she

likes too.

Once you have your appointment and the Dr. recommends a list of

supplements then you could ask here for help for specific items.

CSB will help tremendously.

Good Luck!

Jules

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for

my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the

right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

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Hi Sonja, we've all been there, it's pretty confusing to say the

least. My son takes lots of supplements from varies places, but his

Multi Vitamin and Mineral come from Brainchild Nutritionals. You

can take a look at their website for more information.

www.brainchildnutritionals.com

We had lots of trouble finding supplements that our son could

handle, these worked out very well for us. Now he seems to tolerate

anything we throw at him!

You might want to wait until you see your DAN! before ordering if

you have an appointment this week. The Dr. may have a brand he/she

likes too.

Once you have your appointment and the Dr. recommends a list of

supplements then you could ask here for help for specific items.

CSB will help tremendously.

Good Luck!

Jules

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for

my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the

right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

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Mark,

I have to say I highly disagree with this.

It is difficult, next to impossible to be sure you are getting this

clean and clear of metals and toxins.

And....I once tried it myself, long ago and it caused horrible gut

distress.

These children, most of them, have very delicate bowel issues.

I appreciate that you want to do naturals, but children, especially

those that are so very toxic, need very specific nutrients in

specific amounts. There is a difference between trying to improve

your health with natural substances and trying to recover a very

damaged system.

I mean no offense, but you should spend some time with these kids...a

long time. They are not easy to recover. And they are very delicate.

Just my two cents.

Ann

=====

To Sonja, If I were you, I would just wait for my appt. and let the

dr. direct you on what to begin with. You will need to do testing,

get the results back and then, make adjustments by what your

individual child needs.

They are all alike...and all very different.

Good luck with your appt.

Ann

=====

> Sonja,

>

> Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not have

to guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of

everything he needs in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements,

amino acids, omega threes, and the list goes on..........just start

out slow, get your son used to it and if he takes to it you will have

found a great treasure of healing energies.....without the

appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work

well and without deep nutritional support chelation can be a

nightmare.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

> help with vitamins

>

>

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty convinced

that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

>

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Mark,

I have to say I highly disagree with this.

It is difficult, next to impossible to be sure you are getting this

clean and clear of metals and toxins.

And....I once tried it myself, long ago and it caused horrible gut

distress.

These children, most of them, have very delicate bowel issues.

I appreciate that you want to do naturals, but children, especially

those that are so very toxic, need very specific nutrients in

specific amounts. There is a difference between trying to improve

your health with natural substances and trying to recover a very

damaged system.

I mean no offense, but you should spend some time with these kids...a

long time. They are not easy to recover. And they are very delicate.

Just my two cents.

Ann

=====

To Sonja, If I were you, I would just wait for my appt. and let the

dr. direct you on what to begin with. You will need to do testing,

get the results back and then, make adjustments by what your

individual child needs.

They are all alike...and all very different.

Good luck with your appt.

Ann

=====

> Sonja,

>

> Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not have

to guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of

everything he needs in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements,

amino acids, omega threes, and the list goes on..........just start

out slow, get your son used to it and if he takes to it you will have

found a great treasure of healing energies.....without the

appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work

well and without deep nutritional support chelation can be a

nightmare.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

> help with vitamins

>

>

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty convinced

that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

>

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Mark,

I have to say I highly disagree with this.

It is difficult, next to impossible to be sure you are getting this

clean and clear of metals and toxins.

And....I once tried it myself, long ago and it caused horrible gut

distress.

These children, most of them, have very delicate bowel issues.

I appreciate that you want to do naturals, but children, especially

those that are so very toxic, need very specific nutrients in

specific amounts. There is a difference between trying to improve

your health with natural substances and trying to recover a very

damaged system.

I mean no offense, but you should spend some time with these kids...a

long time. They are not easy to recover. And they are very delicate.

Just my two cents.

Ann

=====

To Sonja, If I were you, I would just wait for my appt. and let the

dr. direct you on what to begin with. You will need to do testing,

get the results back and then, make adjustments by what your

individual child needs.

They are all alike...and all very different.

Good luck with your appt.

Ann

=====

> Sonja,

>

> Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not have

to guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of

everything he needs in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements,

amino acids, omega threes, and the list goes on..........just start

out slow, get your son used to it and if he takes to it you will have

found a great treasure of healing energies.....without the

appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work

well and without deep nutritional support chelation can be a

nightmare.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

> help with vitamins

>

>

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty convinced

that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

>

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Are there any studies of using spirulina to treat children on the

spectrum? Is there anywhere that practioners have documented

clinical response to spirulina for autistic patients?

> Sonja,

>

> Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not

have to guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of

everything he needs in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements,

amino acids, omega threes, and the list goes on..........just start

out slow, get your son used to it and if he takes to it you will

have found a great treasure of healing energies.....without the

appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work

well and without deep nutritional support chelation can be a

nightmare.

>

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

> help with vitamins

>

>

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

>

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Are there any studies of using spirulina to treat children on the

spectrum? Is there anywhere that practioners have documented

clinical response to spirulina for autistic patients?

> Sonja,

>

> Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not

have to guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of

everything he needs in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements,

amino acids, omega threes, and the list goes on..........just start

out slow, get your son used to it and if he takes to it you will

have found a great treasure of healing energies.....without the

appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work

well and without deep nutritional support chelation can be a

nightmare.

>

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

> help with vitamins

>

>

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

>

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Are there any studies of using spirulina to treat children on the

spectrum? Is there anywhere that practioners have documented

clinical response to spirulina for autistic patients?

> Sonja,

>

> Just go out and buy some pure spirulina........then you do not

have to guess......in one swoop you will be giving him the best of

everything he needs in terms of vitamins, minerals, trace elements,

amino acids, omega threes, and the list goes on..........just start

out slow, get your son used to it and if he takes to it you will

have found a great treasure of healing energies.....without the

appropriate nutritional support detox channels don't exactly work

well and without deep nutritional support chelation can be a

nightmare.

>

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

> help with vitamins

>

>

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

>

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I would recommend using the the DAN! Clinical Options Manual as your

guide. It has specific dosage and indications in it. This

information is based on data specific to treating children with

autism:

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-

glance/Y01Y5281977Y9847984/002-2362872-3147231

Even the most knowledgable and informaed doctors will not usually

have time to get into granular details on each and every supplement.

Additionally you will have to judge for yourself and make

adjustments based on day-to-day behaviors. You are doing the right

thing by seeking knowledge because you will always bear a god deal

of the responsibilty for managing your child's supplements.

> Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins for

my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are the

right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

website, and many more.

>

> Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to get

as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started on

something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

convinced that was what did it.

>

> I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

been tried and works!

>

> Thank you!

>

> Sonja West

>

>

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Also, Dr. JM's book has dosages of a lot of things included. It of

course has to be individualized for each child and you will find you

have to tweek this as you go but it is a good guide on supplements

and general dosages also.

Good luck! We're all pulling for you!

BTW.. I did not read closely enough to realize that you were

literally a few days from your appt when I gave you some supplement

ideas. I think I'd wait also, although starting any of the things I

mentioned in previous post will not hurt and you could likely use

them for your child.. or yourself! You can find more on recommended

supplements also in CSB and I think it is chapter 6. It will help

you even after your doctor gets you started. I read it almost

nightly for about a year as we were adding things. It was by my bed

forever!

Many DAN! physicians do prefer particular brands like we all

mentioned so don't spend a lot of $$ with just a few days before

your appt. The testing will tell you exactly what you child needs as

everyone mentioned also.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Blessings,

www.slatersjourney.blog-city.com

> > Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for

> my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the

> right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

> website, and many more.

> >

> > Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

> advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

> with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to

get

> as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started

on

> something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

> discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

> his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

> convinced that was what did it.

> >

> > I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

> been tried and works!

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> > Sonja West

> >

> >

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Also, Dr. JM's book has dosages of a lot of things included. It of

course has to be individualized for each child and you will find you

have to tweek this as you go but it is a good guide on supplements

and general dosages also.

Good luck! We're all pulling for you!

BTW.. I did not read closely enough to realize that you were

literally a few days from your appt when I gave you some supplement

ideas. I think I'd wait also, although starting any of the things I

mentioned in previous post will not hurt and you could likely use

them for your child.. or yourself! You can find more on recommended

supplements also in CSB and I think it is chapter 6. It will help

you even after your doctor gets you started. I read it almost

nightly for about a year as we were adding things. It was by my bed

forever!

Many DAN! physicians do prefer particular brands like we all

mentioned so don't spend a lot of $$ with just a few days before

your appt. The testing will tell you exactly what you child needs as

everyone mentioned also.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Blessings,

www.slatersjourney.blog-city.com

> > Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for

> my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the

> right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

> website, and many more.

> >

> > Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

> advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

> with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to

get

> as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started

on

> something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

> discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

> his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

> convinced that was what did it.

> >

> > I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

> been tried and works!

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> > Sonja West

> >

> >

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Also, Dr. JM's book has dosages of a lot of things included. It of

course has to be individualized for each child and you will find you

have to tweek this as you go but it is a good guide on supplements

and general dosages also.

Good luck! We're all pulling for you!

BTW.. I did not read closely enough to realize that you were

literally a few days from your appt when I gave you some supplement

ideas. I think I'd wait also, although starting any of the things I

mentioned in previous post will not hurt and you could likely use

them for your child.. or yourself! You can find more on recommended

supplements also in CSB and I think it is chapter 6. It will help

you even after your doctor gets you started. I read it almost

nightly for about a year as we were adding things. It was by my bed

forever!

Many DAN! physicians do prefer particular brands like we all

mentioned so don't spend a lot of $$ with just a few days before

your appt. The testing will tell you exactly what you child needs as

everyone mentioned also.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Blessings,

www.slatersjourney.blog-city.com

> > Hi everybody. I'm soooooo overwhelmed by the info on vitamins

for

> my son. I can't seem to decipher which ones are good, which are

the

> right ones, etc. I've been on the Kirkman website, the Klaire

> website, and many more.

> >

> > Can someone who has already gone thru this give me some sound

> advice on which vitamin I should start my son on? He has an appt

> with a doctor here in Michigan this coming week, but I'd like to

get

> as much info on vitamins before I go. Maybe even get him started

on

> something soon. He is not currently taking anything....I've just

> discovered your group and bought the CSB book. I never attributed

> his autism to vaccines, but after much research, I'm pretty

> convinced that was what did it.

> >

> > I'd just like to know which one you all can recommend that has

> been tried and works!

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> > Sonja West

> >

> >

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> I have to say I highly disagree with this.

>

> I hope below you are specific with what the disagreement actually

is. But sure I agree to disagree.

I was specific, but will be glad to make it more clear to you.

>

> It is difficult, next to impossible to be sure you are getting this

> clean and clear of metals and toxins.

This product is much like chlorlla. It's a toxic sponge. As it grows,

it absorbs toxins, metals right from the water and air. I would

suggest you read up on more than what good nutrients it has in it.

>

> So what you are saying Ann is that we should stop feeding our

children and giving them water or any food because it is impossible

to make sure the food and water is clean and clear of metals and

toxins?

No. But those that collect toxins all on their own, should be

avoided, at all cost.

If that is what you are saying then I would 'almost' have to agree

meaning

No, you didn't get it. See above.

I would go for reverse osmosis water or even distilled water, only

pure organic foods, and an absolutely natural leaning house and

furnishings.

Most do as many of these things as possible.

Now if you want to separate spirulina out from all of this and make

a case for that alone then I highly and strongly disagree with that

for their is no rational reason to do that. Spirulina will come to

you purer than almost any other food will.

See above.

>

>

> And....I once tried it myself, long ago and it caused horrible gut

> distress.

Most, know I'm a crohn's patient and am a very good judge of just how

these kids guts feel and how they respond. Perhaps I should have been

clearer for you. Sorry, I will now.

People with G.I. DX's have to be very careful with what they inject.

Not eat off of a buffet, unless it has just been set out. Bacteria

that would bother no one else, but be horrible for them.

Water, has to be very pure....as any bacteria will bother them when

it would no one else.

I could go on, but perhaps you get the gist of it.

We do not have a normal system. Period. We have a damaged immune

system.

>

>

> I know of so many people who have horrible gut distress for a

hundred different reasons.

Well, you need to learn what bothers people with a bowel DX or, not

put yourself into the conversation.

You trial of it yourself with this result does not say anything

about the spirulina alone.

See above.

Also for people or children who are not used to this powerful

natural agent I suggest almost homeopathic doses on the first day or

so and then slowly increase from there.

Perhaps for someone who is not as damaged as these children. Again,

you have a lot to learn about this population and this disorder.

>

>

>

> These children, most of them, have very delicate bowel issues.

>

>

> Yes exactly........why I am leaning in the direction I am.

Well, you need to lean another way, in my humble opinion. You would

do well to listen and learn from the parents who are dealing with

these children.

>

>

>

> I appreciate that you want to do naturals, but children, especially

> those that are so very toxic, need very specific nutrients in

> specific amounts.

>

> Sorry sorry sorry there is no one on this planet who can work out

this with pharmaceutical vitamins and minerals. No one can anticipate

what will be absorbed with what etc etc etc.....

Sir, I can tell you that I will probably die trying to figure it out

and at least doing the very best I can .

Is 40 years with an immune disorder and cronic bowel problems, one

recovered grandchild and one much better to say nothing of the

thousands who have passed through my group and other groups who are

now " normal " ??? We are doing something right!

so its food first......

First...you have to fix their sensory issues and get them TO EAT!

you have to remember spirulina is a food its not a vitamin or mineral

suppliment though it will suppliment more strongly than anything

else.

See above.

Nature in all her wisdom fiquered this out a long long time ago and

put at the very foundation of life, in the single cell plants, the

very specific nutrients in specific amounts upon which to build the

entire chain of life.

In a normal functioning body.

>

>

>

> There is a difference between trying to improve

> your health with natural substances and trying to recover a very

> damaged system.

>

>

> Really, this is news to me. Sure there is a difference but it does

not make sense in this converstation.

Maybe it only makes no sense to those who have no understanding of

the issues.

>

>

> I mean no offense,

>

> None taken Ann, it is just very important to see that you might be

super seriously wrong and feeling comfortable and secure in your

rightness based on an upset stomach after eating something you are

not used to at all.

Oh, get a grip.

>

>

> I would just wait for my appt. and let the

> dr. direct you on what to begin with.

>

>

> Each doctor is into his own trip and it might be a good trip or a

bad trip or an effective or ineffective. Like playing Russian Rullet

sometimes. But I think some people are getting tired of the super

long lists of suppliments with ingredients made by pharmaceutical

companies, sometimes the same ones who injected all the kids with

mercury. You trust them?

Then get off this list. This is what we do.

>

> To turn someone away from a most natural and beautiful gift of God

is not a small thing and to turn them into the fowel wind of the

pharm people not something that should exactly be taken lightly.

>

I can't believe you....I really can't.

My apologies to Dr.McC and Lynne, but I just don't think I'm the one

out of line here.

My concern, is newbies that don't know who to listen to.

You, sir. Need to be quiet and learn....IMHO

At minimum keep your thought that are outside DAN to lists that are

not DAN.

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks Ann,

I couldn't have said it better.

You may have just saved a few newbies a lot of confusion.

I'm sure Mark you mean well, and of course you are entitled to your

opinion, but your statements don't sound very informed.

I wish it was that simple, I wish I could give my little guy just one

thing everyday that would take care of all of his cellular,

nutritional and even spiritual needs instead of opening up so many

caps every day. And you know, after two and a half years I still

haven't got the darn combo right. You see Mark, it isn't that simple.

Sometimes the only way one will understand this is to take a walk in

our shoes.

Thanks anyways though...

Jen

> > I have to say I highly disagree with this.

> >

> > I hope below you are specific with what the disagreement actually

> is. But sure I agree to disagree.

>

> I was specific, but will be glad to make it more clear to you.

> >

> > It is difficult, next to impossible to be sure you are getting

this

> > clean and clear of metals and toxins.

>

> This product is much like chlorlla. It's a toxic sponge. As it

grows,

> it absorbs toxins, metals right from the water and air. I would

> suggest you read up on more than what good nutrients it has in it.

> >

> > So what you are saying Ann is that we should stop feeding our

> children and giving them water or any food because it is impossible

> to make sure the food and water is clean and clear of metals and

> toxins?

>

> No. But those that collect toxins all on their own, should be

> avoided, at all cost.

>

> If that is what you are saying then I would 'almost' have to agree

> meaning

>

> No, you didn't get it. See above.

>

>

> I would go for reverse osmosis water or even distilled water, only

> pure organic foods, and an absolutely natural leaning house and

> furnishings.

>

> Most do as many of these things as possible.

>

> Now if you want to separate spirulina out from all of this and

make

> a case for that alone then I highly and strongly disagree with that

> for their is no rational reason to do that. Spirulina will come to

> you purer than almost any other food will.

>

> See above.

> >

> >

> > And....I once tried it myself, long ago and it caused horrible

gut

> > distress.

>

> Most, know I'm a crohn's patient and am a very good judge of just

how

> these kids guts feel and how they respond. Perhaps I should have

been

> clearer for you. Sorry, I will now.

> People with G.I. DX's have to be very careful with what they inject.

> Not eat off of a buffet, unless it has just been set out. Bacteria

> that would bother no one else, but be horrible for them.

> Water, has to be very pure....as any bacteria will bother them when

> it would no one else.

> I could go on, but perhaps you get the gist of it.

> We do not have a normal system. Period. We have a damaged immune

> system.

>

> >

> >

> > I know of so many people who have horrible gut distress for a

> hundred different reasons.

>

> Well, you need to learn what bothers people with a bowel DX or, not

> put yourself into the conversation.

>

>

> You trial of it yourself with this result does not say anything

> about the spirulina alone.

>

> See above.

>

> Also for people or children who are not used to this powerful

> natural agent I suggest almost homeopathic doses on the first day

or

> so and then slowly increase from there.

>

> Perhaps for someone who is not as damaged as these children. Again,

> you have a lot to learn about this population and this disorder.

> >

> >

> >

> > These children, most of them, have very delicate bowel issues.

> >

> >

> > Yes exactly........why I am leaning in the direction I am.

>

> Well, you need to lean another way, in my humble opinion. You would

> do well to listen and learn from the parents who are dealing with

> these children.

> >

> >

> >

> > I appreciate that you want to do naturals, but children,

especially

> > those that are so very toxic, need very specific nutrients in

> > specific amounts.

> >

> > Sorry sorry sorry there is no one on this planet who can work out

> this with pharmaceutical vitamins and minerals. No one can

anticipate

> what will be absorbed with what etc etc etc.....

>

> Sir, I can tell you that I will probably die trying to figure it

out

> and at least doing the very best I can .

> Is 40 years with an immune disorder and cronic bowel problems, one

> recovered grandchild and one much better to say nothing of the

> thousands who have passed through my group and other groups who are

> now " normal " ??? We are doing something right!

>

>

> so its food first......

>

> First...you have to fix their sensory issues and get them TO EAT!

>

>

> you have to remember spirulina is a food its not a vitamin or

mineral

> suppliment though it will suppliment more strongly than anything

> else.

>

> See above.

>

> Nature in all her wisdom fiquered this out a long long time ago and

> put at the very foundation of life, in the single cell plants, the

> very specific nutrients in specific amounts upon which to build the

> entire chain of life.

>

> In a normal functioning body.

> >

> >

> >

> > There is a difference between trying to improve

> > your health with natural substances and trying to recover a very

> > damaged system.

> >

> >

> > Really, this is news to me. Sure there is a difference but it

does

> not make sense in this converstation.

>

> Maybe it only makes no sense to those who have no understanding of

> the issues.

> >

> >

> > I mean no offense,

> >

> > None taken Ann, it is just very important to see that you might

be

> super seriously wrong and feeling comfortable and secure in your

> rightness based on an upset stomach after eating something you are

> not used to at all.

>

> Oh, get a grip.

>

> >

> >

> > I would just wait for my appt. and let the

> > dr. direct you on what to begin with.

> >

> >

> > Each doctor is into his own trip and it might be a good trip or a

> bad trip or an effective or ineffective. Like playing Russian

Rullet

> sometimes. But I think some people are getting tired of the super

> long lists of suppliments with ingredients made by pharmaceutical

> companies, sometimes the same ones who injected all the kids with

> mercury. You trust them?

>

> Then get off this list. This is what we do.

> >

> > To turn someone away from a most natural and beautiful gift of

God

> is not a small thing and to turn them into the fowel wind of the

> pharm people not something that should exactly be taken lightly.

> >

> I can't believe you....I really can't.

> My apologies to Dr.McC and Lynne, but I just don't think I'm the

one

> out of line here.

> My concern, is newbies that don't know who to listen to.

> You, sir. Need to be quiet and learn....IMHO

> At minimum keep your thought that are outside DAN to lists that are

> not DAN.

>

>

>

> > Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> > Director International Medical Veritas Association

> > http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> > http://www.imva.info

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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You see Mark, it isn't that simple.

Sometimes the only way one will understand this is to take a walk in

our shoes.

Thanks anyways though...

Jen, I do not think it simple at all but I do like to start out in simple

places. I like solid foundations. I like to know that the foundational pillars

are trustworthy. Then when we try to bend the river of things on a biomedical

level I think we are in safer territory.I think people get confused about

suppliments vs food. No one that I have known have suggested that the kids

should stop eating.....I am making a strong statement about what they should

eat...thats all really.........but when it comes to something like spirulina and

the power it brings to the nutritional table...and to the healing table.....it

becomes a very strong statement that has a great bearing on what suppliments are

then needed and added. Vitamin C certainly is needed for spirulina has none of

that. Selenium and zinc would probably be needed.....magnesium boosted as well

through other means.........and perhaps other things as

well............certainly spirulina would not replace B12 shots....I could go

on...

Mark

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When you wrote " Sorry sorry sorry there is no one on this planet who

can work out this with

pharmaceutical vitamins and minerals. " it honestly read to me as

though you felt recovery could not happen with the DAN!

No no no............not what I meant.........

DAN! does of course concentrate primarily on nutritional

supplements, prescription meds, and then chelation/detox. From your

original post to the mom who was asking for advice on vitamin

supplementation per the DAN! protocol, it does not seem that you

were suggesting the DAN! approach as a first line of treatment. That

is what I think most confused me -that you were steering her away

from the recommendations of the DAN! protocol in Dr. JM's book

rather than helping her to know how to implement it.

Again not my intention....just suggesting something simple and powerful to start

with..........

I understood

that you were suggesting spirulina to her rather than the

supplements she had read about -she just wanted ideas on how to get

started.

Well if she could get her child to eat five or so grams a day of it then for

sure many of her needs would be met meaning the list of supplements would be

considerably shortend....thats all, but that's a lot.

Well we did not chelate. And many children have been recovered

without chelation. But it is needed by many for sure... And believe

me we would have chelated if it had been indicated but thank

goodness Dr. McCandless did other things first before starting

chelation. We all know from reading Dr. JM's book, there is much she

and others feel is important before chelation is considered-there is

more in her book on supplementation, diet, RX than on chelation

(though it is covered in great detail also). The supplements and

other things like diet etc need to be in place if you are following

Dr. JM's protocol before chelation is considered.. so what I've seen

very much focuses on supplements just as much as chelating agents.

Yes interesting what you say about chelation and I agree totally that when the

fundamentals are dealt with correctly the need for chelation is reduced or even

eliminated.

Again, I'd hang my hat on the treatment protocol that is being used

now as a foundation and then add other things to it as needed.. it

has proven successful and until something else can show that it is

more effective I would always take the current biomedical protocol

over anything

else.

I would be adding and subtracting...........fine tuning....sometimes

overhaul.....but certainly would never suggest abandoning the solid basics as

presented in Children of Starving Brains.

Mark

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I was just checking to see if you knew about something the rest of

the world didn't. I couldn't understand why you would possibly be

recommending a known APPETITE SUPPRESSANT to autistic children. Your

answer explains everything. It saddens me that you are now opening a

clinic and recruiting patients.

Sorry I have not been following the mail lately so I am late in getting back to

this. It's unbelievable to me what people will say. Yes all food could be

considered appetite suppressants....you eat and you are supposed to want to eat

less after eating. Spirulina could be included in this since it is a food. When

taken before meals, even in high doses, it still will not intefere with regular

appetite like other foods will though for some it might make sense to take it

after meals.

To the moderators or the group in general I really am at a loss what to honestly

say to someone who posts meaningless communications with hostility attached. I

am glad this person did not sign their name so I do not know who they are.

Certainly I do not want to know who they are. And worse to take a natural pure

food like spirulina and put it down and use it to put me and my work down....I

think we are reaching the limit of something here...

Mark

Re: help with vitamins

I was just checking to see if you knew about something the rest of

the world didn't. I couldn't understand why you would possibly be

recommending a known APPETITE SUPPRESSANT to autistic children. Your

answer explains everything. It saddens me that you are now opening a

clinic and recruiting patients.

> Are there any studies of using spirulina to treat children on the

> spectrum? Is there anywhere that practioners have documented

> clinical response to spirulina for autistic patients?

>

> No I do not think so. In fact the entire DAN community seems to be

blind that spirulina even exists. The only thing ever talked about

in this area has to do with chlorella. And nine times out of ten

when either are mentioned mercury seems to be on the brain not the

purity and power of these nature substances.

>

> There are hundreds of studies in general though that suggest more

than strongly that spirulina can be and is used as a potent

medicine. Medicine is the word not supplement....one not made by the

pharmaceutical companies.

>

> So based on the fact that kids need to eat and that nutrtional

values are dropping in most foods and that they have severe gut

issues and massive problems with absorbtion I feel comfortable and

safe wholeheartedly recommending spirulina.

>

> Now if there is something about autistic children that infers that

they do not deserve the best, the best that nature has to offer in

terms of food, healing food, medicinal food, medicine in its purest

form, that would be news to me.

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

> http://www.detoxchelationclinic.com

> http://www.imva.info

>

>

>

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Yes Jen I agree though I would go with spirulina for those B vitamins now.

Though I take spirulina as a supplement it really is not. It can and should be

put on the list of foods that we take life long. There is a great and growing

problem with regular foods...declining nutirtional content is a great

problem..................besides the pesticides and food additives.....

Remember spirulina is rich in all the B Vitamins...............

Mark

RE: Re: help with vitamins

Thanks for understanding what I meant Mark.

You're right when you say that getting the nutrients one needs from foods is

much better than supplementing. Of course it is... isn't that what we all

want someday for our kids? You bet.

My Dan! is a great believer in that. When we can get a specific mineral or

vitamin into my son via his diet, then that's great - we still may have to

top it up with supps depending on what testing shows though. One example is

Selenium in the form of a brazil nut, I think it was this list I was talking

to someone about this just recently. Seems to be the only form of Se that I

can get in him without his stims going up.

Also, my son desperately needs his B Vitamins, but his gut will not tolerate

them. So we make sure he gets them in the food form and we top it up with

transdermal cream.

I think the wish of every parent on this list is to someday have their child

so healthy and recovered that there would no longer be the need for so much

supplementation and like most NT kids, they would get most nutrients from

food etc.. But unfortunately for my son, and for so many other little

soldiers like mine, the path to that 'dream come true' has to start with the

necessary supplementation. There's just in most cases no other way to get

there.

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I think I need to step in here for some clarification. Mark, please feel free

to correct me if I am wrong in any of this. In case some of you may not be

aware of this, Mark Sircus lives in Brazil and has for many years. He has been

primarily a writer and has become intensely interested in the toxicity and

illness issue, especially after Buttar invited him to do some writing for him

about mercury poisoning in our children. Mark has been working with a brilliant

doctor in Russia who is conducting an extensive research project using Spirulina

and comparing its efficacy to other nutrients, and I will very much look forward

to see what he discovers.

Hundreds of thousands of children around the world and particularly in third

world countries will never have the benefit of a DAN! doctor to help their

autistic children. Not only can they not begin to afford our kind of treatment

for autism; they may not have access to our literature and scientific knowledge

that we have been accruing over these last few years. NOR would they be able to

afford the incredible testing we put our children through for pin-pointing their

deficiencies, NOR would they have access to our endless supply of good and

tested nutrients that are proving to be so helpful for our children. For this

population, it would be wonderful to have a nutrient with many of the benefits

we are looking for when we search for the best nutrients after having done tests

showing what our body needs. Particularly one that is relatively inexpensive

and available and acceptable to these families whereas a slew of vitamins may be

very foreign.

It is true that Mark may be naive about the incredible gut damage most of our

children have; to my knowledge he has not had clinical experience with these

kids to know the endless bouts of inflammation, pathogen invasion, etc they

endure, and the relentless search for remedies, which we are finding every day.

It feels like some of you are hearing him say, forget all your diets and tests

and myriads of nutrient remedies, just give them spirulina. It sounds

simplistic; that certainly will not fly in those versed in the biomedical

approach that is recovering untold numbers of kids now. But I see Mark reaching

out to a whole other audience, and one which may be much more open to his kind

of help, even to know that nutrition is a help in this devastating disease will

be a big step forward for many families, who classically just give the kids the

carbs they crave (or worse), put them away in homes where they are tended like

hopeless helpless disabled kids, forever unable to toilet train, etc. etc. The

stories are horrible and unending. I welcome anyone who wants to help autistic

children get better, particularly well-intentioned people who have ideals and

will learn quite soon whether his tenets hold any merit. I don't appreciate the

hostility on the group members' part; I also don't appreciate Mark's assumption

that we should throw away all our tried and true methods that are working well

and give any one nutrient, no matter how nutritious it is. I would like to see

any and all studies done on this as I require for almost anything I prescribe

for our kids. It would be good to have an intelligent diaglogue and share ideas

without hostility and without, " This is the best way, " without any real

evidence. Dr. JM

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