[SPAM?] Re: Dr. Cave's response to recent question about Lyme

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How do they test the kids for Lyme? Is this another blood draw? what company do

they do the test with for autism? gail

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Date: 05/18/2005 01:39PM

Subject: Re: Dr. Cave's response to recent question about Lyme

Dr. Bock and Dr.Klinghardt treat lyme patients and autistic kids. Maybe

they have more data than others on this connection ? Dr.Warren Levin from

Connecticut (who has his practice now in AZ) reported during the Yasko

Conference last August that he found that all of his 7 ASD patients in

Connecticut and 4 in AZ tested positive for lyme.

The february Lyme Conference mostly consisted of mainstream doctors treating

lyme except Dr.Klinghardt and Dr.Kane who use alternative methods. Sometimes,

when you have persistent lyme infection (lyme encephalopathy) in the CNS, you

have to treat it. In this case, just detoxing alone may not be enough to

strengthen the immune system. The reason for using long term appropriate

antibiotics IS to take the load off of the immune system so, at some point it

can take over and keep the infection under control. Samento may not work for

many other coinfections that one might have like Babesiosis, Ehrlichia,

mycoplasma etc. In most cases, unless the coinfections are addressed first, the

patient doesn't make any progress. This is why one needs to go to an LLMD if

they have lyme.

Lyme disease is caused by a spirochete (just like the syphilis causing one)

called Borrelia Burgdorferi. It is extremely difficult to kill Bb as it can take

Cell Wall Deficient forms (L forms) and cyst forms and are intracellular. They

drill thru the tissue and hide inside. They invade organs like the brain, liver

and kidneys. After the exposure, in a susceptible individual, Bb gets into the

brain in two-three weeks !

Hope this helps. Anyone is welcome to join our lyme-autism group where we

discuss the connection between lyme and autism.

Jay

Jaquelyn McCandless wrote:

DR. CAVE RESPONDS:

DEAR JAQUELYN:

" WE ARE APPARENTLY IN AN EPIDEMIC OF LYME ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. I ATTENDED A

MEETING IN SAN FRANCISO IN FEBURARY. WHEN I GOT BACK I TESTED FOUR CHILDREN AND

FOUND THREE TO BE POSITIVE. I HAVE ONE ON ANTIBIOTICS, TWO ON CAT'S CLAW AND

ARTEMESIA. I HAVEN'T DECIDED FOR SURE WHAT TREATMENT TO PURSUE. "

" I QUESS I DID NOT WANT THESE TO BE POSITIVE. THE CONSENSUS AT THE MEETING IN

FEBUARAY WAS TO DO A FULL METABOLIC TREATMENT WITH GUT, METALS, LIVER DETOX

SINCE LYME DOES NOT LIVE IN A WELL PERSON. WE ARE ALREADY DOING THIS. I WILL

GIVE YOU FEEDBACK WHEN I DECIDE WHAT TO DO MYSELF. "

STEPHANIE F.CAVE,MD/TAV

Jaquelyn McCandless wrote:

I certainly admit I am not a specialist in Lyme, and am very willing for

anyone to disagree with me on anything without apology. I have heard that

Dr. Cave, whom I admire a lot, is finding most of her kids have

Lyme's that she tests now. I'll put out a query to Dr. C and see if she

actually treats all these kids for Lyme's in addition to all the other

things we are doing to get rid of metals and help their immune and metabolic

systems stabilize. I must admit knowing what I do about antibiotics I dread

the idea of a lot of kids having to use them, but I will find out more and

report back. Dr. JM

Re: HELP! Tic bite

> Hi,

> I second this idea! We ha! ve a local place that tests for ticks for lyme,

and I imagine your

> pediatrician is wrong wrong wrong on that. I would definitely get this

tick tested and

> igenex is the best choice.

>

> I have just been diagnosed with lyme, and though I do everything I can to

boost my

> immune system, I am feeling awful...even though my tests suggest that I've

had it for

> years. I suspect that my unvaccinated son may be congenitally affected.

>

> I am going to reiterate on this list that I personally feel that lyme

should be tested on both

> mothers and ASD or delayed children. DR. JM, you have said recently that

there is a belief

> that everyone has lyme, and because of that, we need to boost our immune

systems, and

> not treat it directly. As much as I'd like to agree with you (because I

think you are

> brilliant), given my experience, I think that might be a mistake. Just as

it would be a> mistake to overlook metal toxicity in a body, this infection

can be

extremely serious and

> possibly be an underlying cause of a body's inability to excrete metals.

>

> THe lyme doctor I work with spent years treating chemical sensitivity and

doing chelation,

> only to find that a majority of his patients had underlying lyme

infections. Once he treated

> them, there was a vast improvement. I know that everyone does not

tolerate antibiotics,

> and I don't look forward to that mode of cure, but I am open at this point

to what will

> work. (Apparently, there is a new gene test that will predict who will

and won't respond/

> tolerate antibiotics through Dr. Nick ).

>

> Sorry to go on so long!

> Jill

>

>

> > Everyone

> >

> > I just pulled a tic off 's head. I think I got it all as it was

> > flailing its appendages at me as I carried it away. The spot on his

> > head had fresh blood. We had not gone outside yet today so it must

> > have been there over night. We were in a friends backyard playing

> > yesterday where there are tall bushes and trees. I washed the spot

> > with soap and wiped it with alcohol. The tic was brown and, yes, fat.

> > Anyone know how to proceed? I thought you tested the tic (I have it,

> > dead, in a ziploc) but our pediatrician said they do not do that and

> > to " watch him " .

> >

> > Should I be doing anything else???

> >

> >! Really worried.

> > Kathleen

> > Mom to (4) and (2)