Guest guest Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers. The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of. Just my opinion. Mike To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AMSubject: Strange annoyances There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out "au" or "o" sound with an accent on the final letters of "t" or "s" - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of "fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful?" Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me.I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few "pet peeves". We, on the other hand, have more than our share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Yes, , and those early experiences must have contained some outrageous control inequality which was maddeningly *fearful? " but forgotten (or denied). Just a guess...but how if feels in the gut. Why otherwise would we be outraged and feel hatred just because of a sound or a movement? And the confounding thing is that none of us can put a finger on it! Where else in nature does a sound or a movement cause panic or anger? > > I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > Â > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers. > Â > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of. > Â > Just my opinion. > Â > Mike > > > To: Soundsensitivity > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM > Subject: Strange annoyances > > > Â > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out " au " or " o " sound with an accent on the final letters of " t " or " s " - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of " fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful? " Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me. > > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few " pet peeves " . We, on the other hand, have more than our share. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Glad someone else feels the same way about that. I am not an expert, but I certainly have a lot of personal experience with this and have tried to understand how and why these noises bother me so much. I think fear and loss of control have a lot to do with it. No one that I have heard in this forum really seems to understand what is going on either, unless I am missing something. I don't think this can be understood on a merely auditory level, or is it a purely physical phenomena. Again, just my opinion for what it's worth. Mike To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:52 PMSubject: Re: Strange annoyances Yes, , and those early experiences must have contained some outrageous control inequality which was maddeningly *fearful?" but forgotten (or denied). Just a guess...but how if feels in the gut. Why otherwise would we be outraged and feel hatred just because of a sound or a movement? And the confounding thing is that none of us can put a finger on it! Where else in nature does a sound or a movement cause panic or anger?>> I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > Â > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers.> Â > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of.> Â > Just my opinion.> Â > Mike> > > To: Soundsensitivity > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM> Subject: Strange annoyances> > > Â > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out "au" or "o" sound with an accent on the final letters of "t" or "s" - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of "fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful?" Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me.> > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few "pet peeves". We, on the other hand, have more than our share.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 When I was working in an open office with cubes, and I cued in on the sound of someone's keyboard click or some mechanical sound, I didn't have an emotional reaction to the person clicking.It was the sound that bugged me.Sent from my iPad Glad someone else feels the same way about that. I am not an expert, but I certainly have a lot of personal experience with this and have tried to understand how and why these noises bother me so much. I think fear and loss of control have a lot to do with it. No one that I have heard in this forum really seems to understand what is going on either, unless I am missing something. I don't think this can be understood on a merely auditory level, or is it a purely physical phenomena. Again, just my opinion for what it's worth. Mike To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:52 PMSubject: Re: Strange annoyances Yes, , and those early experiences must have contained some outrageous control inequality which was maddeningly *fearful?" but forgotten (or denied). Just a guess...but how if feels in the gut. Why otherwise would we be outraged and feel hatred just because of a sound or a movement? And the confounding thing is that none of us can put a finger on it! Where else in nature does a sound or a movement cause panic or anger?>> I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > Â > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers.> Â > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of.> Â > Just my opinion.> Â > Mike> > > To: Soundsensitivity > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM> Subject: Strange annoyances> > > Â > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out "au" or "o" sound with an accent on the final letters of "t" or "s" - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of "fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful?" Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me.> > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few "pet peeves". We, on the other hand, have more than our share.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I think the group, and the literature, has explained that it is a 'fight-or-flight' reaction in the amygdala. Not the actual hyperacuity propblem, but the physical reaction to the sounds. In fight-or-flight, which is an evolutionary protective mechanism, we have heightened states of sensation so that we will be aware of and can get away from (or fight) any threats in our environment. Because there were so many times that this occurred in our lives when we could not fight OR flight, we developed these emotional responses to the physical sensations (rapid heart-beat, increased body temp, etc). We now deal with both the physical and the resultant emotional responses. The annoyances aren't strange - they are ones that we hear that the lizard (ancient) part of our brains perceive as threatening. I don't know about you guys, but this makes sense to me about the mouth sounds - if I heard a threat in my environment (a million years ago) making mouth sounds, I would expect that my body would react in a way to prevent ME from being eaten! It helps me to think about the evolutionary purpose behind my physical reaction to the sounds, in preventing an emotional reaction. I have found that it's often other peoples' nervous habits that end up being noisy triggers. I take it to mean my brain is processing THEIR nerves as being in a state of fight-or-flight, hence making them a threat. That's my billion cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 , you make a really good point. I think that the reason other people's nervous habits bug ME is that I tune into their nervousness and feel it myself. I have generalized SPD (sensory processing disorder) including the subset of Misophonia, as well as hyperacusis. But to make a distinction... eating sounds (and the like) trigger my fight/flight mechanism including the adrenalin rush. However, when my other senses are triggered, it's a different stress reaction. If I were to put my reactions into statements: Eating sounds: Ahhhh! Run for your life! Other sounds (base music, dripping faucet, etc.): I feel sick -- I need to get away from this. Other triggers (clicking pens, nervous feet, finger tapping, crinkling wrappers, etc.): Ew! Stop putting your stress in my space! Be more considerate! > > I think the group, and the literature, has explained that it is a > 'fight-or-flight' reaction in the amygdala. Not the actual hyperacuity > propblem, but the physical reaction to the sounds. In fight-or-flight, > which is an evolutionary protective mechanism, we have heightened states of > sensation so that we will be aware of and can get away from (or fight) any > threats in our environment. > > Because there were so many times that this occurred in our lives when we > could not fight OR flight, we developed these emotional responses to the > physical sensations (rapid heart-beat, increased body temp, etc). We now > deal with both the physical and the resultant emotional responses. > > The annoyances aren't strange - they are ones that we hear that the lizard > (ancient) part of our brains perceive as threatening. I don't know about > you guys, but this makes sense to me about the mouth sounds - if I heard a > threat in my environment (a million years ago) making mouth sounds, I would > expect that my body would react in a way to prevent ME from being eaten! > > It helps me to think about the evolutionary purpose behind my physical > reaction to the sounds, in preventing an emotional reaction. I have found > that it's often other peoples' nervous habits that end up being noisy > triggers. I take it to mean my brain is processing THEIR nerves as being in > a state of fight-or-flight, hence making them a threat. > > That's my billion cents. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 My theory about this has developed into something quite different due to my 20 years in psychotherapy to treat PTSD. The issues I had around PTSD resolved with a lot of hard work and some really good psychotherapists. But the sounds kept enraging and panicking me. How can I be so well adjusted in all areas of my life yet still be set off by triggers from my childhood? EUREKA! From Dr. Amen's work: There is a part of the brain above the right ear that interprets outrage. It tells us that we are being slighted or that a person is rude or is being inconsiderate. I honestly beleive that it's something in our brains that is telling us the " feelings " we have as a REFLEX and not a true emotion. And put that together with our brains' inability to put repetetive stimuli into the background like normal people do . . .we cannot habituate to stimuli: instaed we become sensitized. I honestly believe that this is a brain thing. And it's genetic. I am still researching . . . > > > > I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > > Â > > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers. > > Â > > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of. > > Â > > Just my opinion. > > Â > > Mike > > > > From: jiggsy_design <jlensink08@> > > To: Soundsensitivity > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM > > Subject: Strange annoyances > > > > > > Â > > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out " au " or " o " sound with an accent on the final letters of " t " or " s " - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of " fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful? " Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me. > > > > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few " pet peeves " . We, on the other hand, have more than our share. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 We all agree. And you yourself state that there is a resultant emotional reaction to the physical, genetically predisposed response. I can't even imagine how PTSD confounds what else is going on. My theory about this has developed into something quite different due to my 20 years in psychotherapy to treat PTSD. The issues I had around PTSD resolved with a lot of hard work and some really good psychotherapists. But the sounds kept enraging and panicking me. How can I be so well adjusted in all areas of my life yet still be set off by triggers from my childhood? EUREKA! From Dr. Amen's work: There is a part of the brain above the right ear that interprets outrage. It tells us that we are being slighted or that a person is rude or is being inconsiderate. I honestly beleive that it's something in our brains that is telling us the "feelings" we have as a REFLEX and not a true emotion. And put that together with our brains' inability to put repetetive stimuli into the background like normal people do . . .we cannot habituate to stimuli: instaed we become sensitized. I honestly believe that this is a brain thing. And it's genetic. I am still researching . . . > > > > I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > > Â > > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers. > > Â > > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of. > > Â > > Just my opinion. > > Â > > Mike > > > > From: jiggsy_design <jlensink08@> > > To: Soundsensitivity > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM > > Subject: Strange annoyances > > > > > > Â > > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out "au" or "o" sound with an accent on the final letters of "t" or "s" - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of "fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful?" Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me. > > > > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few "pet peeves". We, on the other hand, have more than our share. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 This is my trigger hierarchy exactly. It is interesting that there are two people (probably more) who are so closely related in our (un)normal reactions. > > > > I think the group, and the literature, has explained that it is a > > 'fight-or-flight' reaction in the amygdala. Not the actual hyperacuity > > propblem, but the physical reaction to the sounds. In fight-or-flight, > > which is an evolutionary protective mechanism, we have heightened states of > > sensation so that we will be aware of and can get away from (or fight) any > > threats in our environment. > > > > Because there were so many times that this occurred in our lives when we > > could not fight OR flight, we developed these emotional responses to the > > physical sensations (rapid heart-beat, increased body temp, etc). We now > > deal with both the physical and the resultant emotional responses. > > > > The annoyances aren't strange - they are ones that we hear that the lizard > > (ancient) part of our brains perceive as threatening. I don't know about > > you guys, but this makes sense to me about the mouth sounds - if I heard a > > threat in my environment (a million years ago) making mouth sounds, I would > > expect that my body would react in a way to prevent ME from being eaten! > > > > It helps me to think about the evolutionary purpose behind my physical > > reaction to the sounds, in preventing an emotional reaction. I have found > > that it's often other peoples' nervous habits that end up being noisy > > triggers. I take it to mean my brain is processing THEIR nerves as being in > > a state of fight-or-flight, hence making them a threat. > > > > That's my billion cents. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 There is a resultant emotional reaction (hate or anger) to a physical trigger (noise). That is the crux of this whole thing, right?. My " psychology of deviant behavior " (educational psychology) textbook would say that this is a learned (conditioned) response. Like Pavlov's dogs. With enough resultant bad experience (teaching/instilling) following a physical trigger (noise), the bad experience does not need to exist anymore to make a subject feel/act a certain way.... eventually, just the noise is all that is needed to elicit a response of fear. A bell rings (someone crunching a carrot), the emotional/automatic emotion (hatred) result. Any thoughts, anyone? > > > > > > > > I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > > > > Â > > > > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > > > > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers. > > > > Â > > > > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of. > > > > Â > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > Â > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: jiggsy_design <jlensink08@> > > > > To: Soundsensitivity > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM > > > > Subject: Strange annoyances > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out " au " or " o " sound with an accent on the final letters of " t " or " s " - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of " fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful? " Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me. > > > > > > > > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few " pet peeves " . We, on the other hand, have more than our share. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 sounds like a good possibility Subject: Re: Strange annoyancesTo: Soundsensitivity Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 9:43 AM My theory about this has developed into something quite different due to my 20 years in psychotherapy to treat PTSD. The issues I had around PTSD resolved with a lot of hard work and some really good psychotherapists. But the sounds kept enraging and panicking me. How can I be so well adjusted in all areas of my life yet still be set off by triggers from my childhood? EUREKA! From Dr. Amen's work: There is a part of the brain above the right ear that interprets outrage. It tells us that we are being slighted or that a person is rude or is being inconsiderate. I honestly beleive that it's something in our brains that is telling us the "feelings" we have as a REFLEX and not a true emotion. And put that together with our brains' inability to put repetetive stimuli into the background like normal people do . . .we cannot habituate to stimuli: instaed we become sensitized.I honestly believe that this is a brain thing. And it's genetic. I am still researching . . .> >> > I think many of the crazy irrational feelings we have about people and the annoying things they do , are somehow connected by long chains of somehow related associations from our past experiences. Especially if those experiences contained pain of some sort. > > Â > > Just like the feeling of meeting someone for the first time and getting a strong negative reaction. They in some way remind us of someone in the past that we did not like or hurt us. > > I think there are a lot of associations involved with our individual triggers.> > Â > > The physical, mental, emotional are all strongly connected in some way that we are not consciously aware of.> > Â > > Just my opinion.> > Â > > Mike> > > > From: jiggsy_design <jlensink08@>> > To: Soundsensitivity > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:44 AM> > Subject: Strange annoyances> > > > > > Â > > There is a certain English accent that, when I hear it, I will change a channel on the TV. It has to do with a drawn out "au" or "o" sound with an accent on the final letters of "t" or "s" - sort of over-confident and bitchy. And for some reason and Meryl Streep annoy me and I will not see a show with them in it. There is an attitude of "fake-ly self-ascribed deliciously wonderful?" Maybe there is a subtle food and mouth thing going on there with me.> > > > I have a friend who cannot bear to see someone with wood in their mouth...toothpick or popsicle stick. My husband cannot tolerate someone doing their nails or the smell of polish or remover....just someone holding a file will make him flee...These two people do absolutely not have 4S. I think most people have a few "pet peeves". We, on the other hand, have more than our share.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I love that you mention " my space " .. When my husband and I are getting ready for sleep, we read in bed. But, he has this annoying habit of pronouncing some of his reading outloud, sort of in a whisper. So every 10 seconds or so, I hear this whispered partial word coming from 2 feet from me. We are READING..Reading equals QUIET time. OMG, common courtesy. I am obviously triggered by this, but I would think even someone without misophonia would be annoyed. Also when you feel someone elses emotions, I believe you most likely are an empath. I am too. I have wondered if we are suffering fromj overexposure of EMF's and the like. > > > > I think the group, and the literature, has explained that it is a > > 'fight-or-flight' reaction in the amygdala. Not the actual hyperacuity > > propblem, but the physical reaction to the sounds. In fight-or-flight, > > which is an evolutionary protective mechanism, we have heightened states of > > sensation so that we will be aware of and can get away from (or fight) any > > threats in our environment. > > > > Because there were so many times that this occurred in our lives when we > > could not fight OR flight, we developed these emotional responses to the > > physical sensations (rapid heart-beat, increased body temp, etc). We now > > deal with both the physical and the resultant emotional responses. > > > > The annoyances aren't strange - they are ones that we hear that the lizard > > (ancient) part of our brains perceive as threatening. I don't know about > > you guys, but this makes sense to me about the mouth sounds - if I heard a > > threat in my environment (a million years ago) making mouth sounds, I would > > expect that my body would react in a way to prevent ME from being eaten! > > > > It helps me to think about the evolutionary purpose behind my physical > > reaction to the sounds, in preventing an emotional reaction. I have found > > that it's often other peoples' nervous habits that end up being noisy > > triggers. I take it to mean my brain is processing THEIR nerves as being in > > a state of fight-or-flight, hence making them a threat. > > > > That's my billion cents. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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