Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 there's ton of recipes on line actually and I don't know how you could get away with not putting in a preservative since a cream has water added to it??? goggle eye cream recipes and you'll have plenty to peruse HTH Willow --- dolcefarniente2001 wrote: > A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye > cream for her. > I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found > any formulas > online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit > worried, as > I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a > product. Has > anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such > a product? > > Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Hi. Di. If you are not going to use a preservative then my advice would be to purchase several million dollars worth of Liability Insurance. Pat. > > A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye cream for her. > I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found any formulas > online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit worried, as > I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a product. Has > anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such a product? > > Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 It would be much much worse if you didn't preserve this type of product than to preserve it properly...you wouldn't want anyone to loose an eye or worse because you didn't take care to preserve it properly I am sure..and this almost happened to a list member on another group I am on with an eye gel she made up and used on herself. The risk of serious damage is far greater if you dont preserve your product properly, than from using a small amount of recommended synthetic preservative...IMHO in Australia " You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help enough other people get what they want. " - Zig Ziglar A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye cream for her. I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found any formulas online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit worried, as I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a product. Has anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such a product? Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer .. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 It was actually due to several cases in the 1970's of people going blind from using contaminated eye products that prompted companies to start using preservatives. You may want to rethink that. Its one thing to get a skin infection or other type of reaction on your hands from an improperly preserved product, but 1000 fold more serious if its in the eye. Sagescript Institute, llc http://www.sagescript.com > A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye cream for her. > I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found any formulas > online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit worried, as > I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a product. Has > anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such a product? > > Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Many Grapefruit seed extracts contain the antibiotic triclosan which is added to the extract as a preservative. Because of that, GSE has some ability to preserve lotions. Here is a link to some abstracts on that: http://sagescript.com/grapefruit_seed.htm Right, we are constantly exposed to bacteria and maintaining our natural flora on the skin is important. Our eyes (as far as I know) do not have a normal flora though and are kept clean by tears. As for what harm is there in having bacteria in an eye product? - none, if it is a harmless bacteria, however, if it is a harmful bacteria the harm is in going blind. How much of a risk are you willing to take?? And the only way to know if your product has bacteria or mold in it is to have it tested. Sagescript Institute, llc http://www.sagescript.com Microbiology, Hydrosols, Botanicals > I've been using only Grapefruit Seed Extract to preserve my creams (used > only by myself of course), and was wondering if you're not using it near > your eyes, but as a body lotion, what is the harm if there is some > bacteria in it? After all, we touch bacteria every day when we walk > around outside? > > > Re: eye cream? > > > > It was actually due to several cases in the 1970's of people going > blind from using contaminated eye products that prompted companies > to start using preservatives. You may want to rethink that. Its one > thing to get a skin infection or other type of reaction on your > hands from an improperly preserved product, but 1000 fold more > serious if its in the eye. > > > Sagescript Institute, llc > http://www.sagescri <http://www.sagescript.com> pt.com > > > A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye cream for her. > > I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found any formulas > > online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit worried, as > > I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a product. Has > > anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such a product? > > > > Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Ann, if you need amunition for your battle with the hospital, go to the CDC website. They have done some studies comparing antibiotic containing soap with regular soap and found no difference - the difference only occurs when people do not wash their hands properly. But, actually, that is probably a concern of the hospital. With so much handwashing, people rarely do the 20-30 second wash that is important to remove bacteria from the hands. One way to help with making sure you wash for 20-30 seconds is to hum or sing a song while washing. One song I recommend is " ring around the rosey " since that song as you may know is about the plague - and what a better reminder of why cleanliness is important! ;-) Sagescript Institute, llc http://www.sagescript.com > Thanks for the info about the triclosan in GSE - I don't use it, but > had been thinking about getting it. I, however, definitely am not going to > use anything with triclosan in it - it's a battle I'm getting ready to fight > with the hospital where I used to work and my daughter still works. > Triclosan is definitely carcinogenic and the soap throughout the hospitals > this company owns contains triclosan. The soap itself is very caustic to > the skin, and if when you have to wash your hands as many times as nurses > and doctors do, well you can imagine. > > Ann > annrn@... > www.wingsets.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 There have been many situations of companies mislabeling their products and leaving things out. Also, if a preservative is used in one of the ingredients in the product it is not necessary to put that on the final label. In other words there are so many ways aroun it and I am also sure there are companies that are selling products that do contain dangerous levels of bacteria as well. I think as a small manufacturer education is important. I make my own because I want it done the right way/the better way. Sagescript Institute, llc http://www.sagescript.com Botanicals, Distillates, Microbiology > Ok, you are all right, I shouldn't be slathering bacteria on my body. > > But, there must be natural ways to preserve a product, since there are > some companies that claim they don't use chemical preservatives, such as > Dr.Hauschka -- one of their ingredient listings is below -- but I > suppose a little home cream-maker like me should just use the strong > stuff. > > Rose Day Cream > Water/Aqua > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=11 > 2 & ingredient=Water%2fAqua> , Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=15 > 8 & ingredient=Sesamum+Indicum+(Sesame)+Seed+Oil> , Alcohol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=2 & > ingredient=Alcohol> , Althaea Officinalis (Marsh Mallow) Extract > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=21 > 7 & ingredient=Althaea+Officinalis+(Marsh+Mallow)+Extract> , > Damascena (Rose) Flower Water > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=21 > 5 & ingredient=+Damascena+(Rose)+Flower+Water> , Gallica (Rose) > Flower Extract > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=87 > & ingredient=+Gallica+(Rose)+Flower+Extract> , Anthyllis Vulneraria > Extract > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=5 & > ingredient=Anthyllis+Vulneraria+Extract> , Prunus Armeniaca (Apricot) > Kernel Oil > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=14 > 6 & ingredient=Prunus+Armeniaca+(Apricot)+Kernel+Oil> , Prunus Amygdalus > Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=20 > 9 & ingredient=Prunus+Amygdalus+Dulcis+(Sweet+Almond)+Oil> , Cetearyl > Alcohol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=17 > 0 & ingredient=Cetearyl+Alcohol> , Bentonite > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=10 > & ingredient=Bentonite> , Beeswax/Cera Flava > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=9 & > ingredient=Beeswax%2fCera+Flava> , Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil > Unsaponifiables > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=21 > 3 & ingredient=Persea+Gratissima+(Avocado)+Oil+Unsaponifiables> , Triticum > Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=11 > 3 & ingredient=Triticum+Vulgare+(Wheat)+Germ+Oil> , Lysolecithin > (Hydrolyzed Lecithin) > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=21 > 1 & ingredient=Lysolecithin+(Hydrolyzed+Lecithin)> , Canina (Rose > Hip) Fruit Extract > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=84 > & ingredient=+Canina+(Rose+Hip)+Fruit+Extract> , Fragrance/Parfum > (Essential Oil) > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=43 > & ingredient=Fragrance%2fParfum+(Essential+Oil)> , Citronellol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=13 > 5 & ingredient=Citronellol> , Geraniol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=14 > 0 & ingredient=Geraniol> , Linalool > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=13 > 8 & ingredient=Linalool> , Limonene > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=13 > 7 & ingredient=Limonene> , Citral > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=13 > 4 & ingredient=Citral> , Farnesol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=13 > 1 & ingredient=Farnesol> , Benzyl Alcohol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=16 > 2 & ingredient=Benzyl+Alcohol> , Eugenol > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=12 > 8 & ingredient=Eugenol> , Damascena (Rose) Flower Wax > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=22 > 1 & ingredient=+Damascena+(Rose)+Flower+Wax> , Xanthan Gum > <http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx? id=11 > 5 & ingredient=Xanthan+Gum> > > > RE: Re: eye cream? > > > > Thanks for the info about the triclosan in GSE - I don't use it, > but > had been thinking about getting it. I, however, definitely am not going > to > use anything with triclosan in it - it's a battle I'm getting ready to > fight > with the hospital where I used to work and my daughter still works. > Triclosan is definitely carcinogenic and the soap throughout the > hospitals > this company owns contains triclosan. The soap itself is very caustic to > the skin, and if when you have to wash your hands as many times as > nurses > and doctors do, well you can imagine. > > Ann > annrn@... <mailto:annrn%40neb.rr.com> com > www.wingsets.com > > > <http://geo.yahoo. > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv? s=97359714/grpId=2248497/grpspId=1705132776/m > sgId> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2248497/grpspId=1705132776/msgId > =27377/stime=1196875751/nc1=5008809/nc2=4718982/nc3=3848500> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Yes they are turning towards organics. However, like you said, Essential Oils are expensive. So they might start out using an EO but quickly change to a petro-chemically made chemical (Fragranced Oil). Therein lies the problem. I know I'm allergic to the FO's because I've had reactions to it. I don't know for sure about the EO. However, I've heard people with allergies can easily be allergic to EO's also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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