Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 Again, my experience is such that if we brought it up, opinions were given, but never in the course of this illness has any Dr. other than the homeopath Mike goes to ever mentioned alternatives. Well, if you count my family Dr. draggin me behind closed doors to whisper things to me...I have talked to her about things Mike is on and she has written them down, she has another 'liver' patient who conventionally nothing can be done for (he drank his liver to death)...she told me as a 'friend' she was going to suggest some things. Mike asked his internest if there were any alternatives for colitis, and he said that cod liver oil was good, but what he forgot to mention is that too much is NOT good for the liver, we found that out on our own. When Mike asked him about milk thistle he was very enthusiastic about it, but never in years mentioned it despite his knowledge of it from the 'old country'......Most Dr.'s don't really know much about them, I wish you could have seen the look on Mike's G.I.'s face when he was listing all of Mike's supplements and asking me for their purpose...it was almost funny, here is a man who has been a specialist, taught medical school and highly respected asking the little admitting clerk to explain stuff to him. I just think that all patients would benefit if we could get the two forms of medicine to meet in the middle, there are afterall many illnesses that just won't find relief with conventional medicine. I personally believe so strongly in alternatives that once we get out baby here safely I am enrolling in a course to become a naturopath. thanks for your comments, I appreciate knowing there are Dr.'s out there willing to go against the tide. Patti > >Reply-To: egroups >To: <egroups> >Subject: Re: Patti >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:13:06 -0500 > >It has to be the difference between Canada and the U.S. You wrote " it is >not in the best interest of a medical Dr. to condone the use of herbals " , >but I think it is in the best interest of Dr.s to help their patients >what ever the means. As you see here in posts alot of Dr's do. >said her Dr. told her about milk thistle. wrote that Mayo Clinic >believes in the benefit of milk thistle. ( Mayo is a biggie here in U.S. ) >I know that Phil takes it and doubt Peg would let him without the knowledge >of his Dr. So we are not " hard pressed " to find Dr.'s that do. My own >Dr. helps my neighbor ( who refuses any kind of drugs ) with her >fibromyalgia by using herbs. We are in such a small town you would be >shocked to find out they even know what a herb is. I'm surprized to learn >your hospital is not allowed to dispense Vitamin C. I can't understand >why they think it is an alternative. So it must be the difference between >Canada & U.S. Barb > Re: Re: Milk thistle > > > I did NOT say Dr.'s were in this for profit, I said the pharmaceutical > companies were, perhaps you should re-read my post. I think you would >be > hard pressed to find a Dr. who will advise you to try herbals or > alternatives as opposed to writing a prescription, because afterall, if >they > were going to prescribe herbals or alternatives they would have been a > naturopath or a homeopath. I don't imagine your Dr. will tell you to >try > garlic as a natural antibiotic as opposed to actually prescribing you >one, > nor would I expect him or her to. I would take great offence to the >comment > that the surgeon I mentioned isn't doing his job correctly or that the > hospital I work in is negligent. First off, the surgeon I speak of is > remarkable, and has performed surgeries on people that shouldn't even be > alive, but he took the pro-active approach and instead of writing them >off, > did his best to help , we are very fortunate as a health care facility >to > have him. I only wish he had of been here when my father was sick, maybe >the > outcome wouldn't have been different but at least he would have been >treated > with dignity and his last shreds of hope wouldn't have been stripped >away > from him from the first moment. My experience with pharmeceutical >companies > and the Emergency Drug release program of Canada is entirely negative >for > that incident. This Dr. has spoken to me on many occasions about > alternatives, he is NOT allowed to push them on his patients. The >hospital > is not negligent, they are simply a hospital, not a naturopathic > centre....he independently and with consent of the patient suggested >Vit. C, > the pharmacy would NOT dispense it, so he (guess sneaking was a wrong >choice > of words), brought it in himself and dispensed it to her personally. >The > head pharmacist herself told me that NO hospital is allowed to dispense > alternatives as an official form of medication, they are afterall, >natural > and not prescription and only now are being recognized by the medical > society as a valid form of health care, I suspect with time and >education, > more Dr.'s and health care professionals will benefit their patients by > 'marrying' the two forms of medicine. I appreciate your comments, but I > feel you read my post wrong. > Patti > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2000 Report Share Posted August 27, 2000 My mother has fibromyalgia also, she has this thing about taking pills natural or otherwise (however, doesn't seem to mind smoking a pack a day but that's another argument), anyway, I had mentioned that Mike was taking something called Moducare Sterinol (plant sterinols that help balance the immune system - nobody that has had a transplant should take it), anyway, after about 3 or so weeks on it he feels great, his mother commented after not seeing him for a couple of weeks that he looked better, anyway, my point is that it is also good for fibromyalgia and my mom started it about a week ago, but it's too early to tell if she will find any relief from it. I saw a great show (20/20) on SAMe one night, they didn't talk much about liver benefits but mostly the anti-depressant side of it. They interviewed a lady who has been on prescriptions for years for depression then tried SAMe with great results, or course when they interviewed a Dr. about it, he claimed it to be all placebo (can't admit when something works that they can't explain), anyway, back to the patient who totally discredited his theory saying SHE knew how SHE felt. Anyway, I hope you find the info you need, they do warn against anyone with bi-polar disorder from taking it, or manic depressives...other than that it is completely safe. Good Luck, Patti > >Reply-To: egroups >To: egroups >Subject: Patti >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:36:32 -0000 > > >Patti: >I read one of the articles and it mentioned that SAMe is good for >Fibromyalgia. I have a very bad case of that. I have to see a >massage therapist weekly for the pain in the muscles and joints. >I've been trying to slowly wean myself off the Prozac and wellbutrin >and after I do, I am considering giving SAMe a try. I will mention >it to my psychiatrist first. I see her for medication therapy. >Thanks again. >Judy > > > Here is an excellent web site on SAMe and it's uses and benefits. > > Patti > > http://www.lef.org/prod_hp/php120.html > > >______________________________________________________________________ >___ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2000 Report Share Posted August 27, 2000 Patti: I read one of the articles and it mentioned that SAMe is good for Fibromyalgia. I have a very bad case of that. I have to see a massage therapist weekly for the pain in the muscles and joints. I've been trying to slowly wean myself off the Prozac and wellbutrin and after I do, I am considering giving SAMe a try. I will mention it to my psychiatrist first. I see her for medication therapy. Thanks again. Judy > Here is an excellent web site on SAMe and it's uses and benefits. > Patti > http://www.lef.org/prod_hp/php120.html > ______________________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2000 Report Share Posted August 27, 2000 Patti, How long do you have to be taking SAMe for the depression or osteoarthritis. I tried it and didn't seem to see a difference but I didn't try it for very long. Just didn't think it helped enough for the expense. I also took it on top of the Paxil/Buspar so I don't know if that was a problem. The expense is a problem right now. peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 I don't know Peg because Mike takes it for other reasons, although he did say he felt a 'lift' in his spirits....I think mentioned that she felt relief after a few weeks for her aches and pains....here in Canada the damm stuff is SO expensive, I think it's cheaper in the States, we pay $34.99 for a box of 20, that lasts 10 days, Mike would like to take more per day but right now with all the supplements he's on we just can't swing it. Patti > >Reply-To: egroups >To: <egroups> >Subject: RE: Patti >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:43:19 -0700 > >Patti, >How long do you have to be taking SAMe for the depression or >osteoarthritis. >I tried it and didn't seem to see a difference but I didn't try it for very >long. Just didn't think it helped enough for the expense. I also took it >on >top of the Paxil/Buspar so I don't know if that was a problem. The expense >is a problem right now. >peg > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 > Prescription Zovirax cream would help with the lesions, and Vit B-12 shots would also help her. > Patti Thanks Patti. She'll have a list of things to try. Surely one will help. No doubt her doctor will wonder where she got all her info. Thanks. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 I don't know...that's a hard one...we had a big storm last weekend, just about all the Maritime provinces were hit and in Prince Island over 8,000 pounds of lobster washed ashore, I guess people were going nuts...however, they were apparently full of eggs that will never hatch and as a result there will be a shortage of lobster down the road, thus giving them reason to charge even more than they do now for the little bottom dwellers!!! So, when the price gets that high I'll have to revert to the wheat and sunflower seeds, which some of those buns (cinnamon that is) would go great with my tea right now.... Patti >From: Nordgren1@... >Reply-To: egroups >To: egroups >Subject: Patti >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:38:24 EST > >In a message dated 11/02/2000 4:15:01 PM Central Standard Time, >gemini_0306@... writes: > ><< Lobster, Lobster, Lobster >> >I'll trade you some of our wonderful wheat (think cinnamon rolls, hot >bread, >pancakes, pie, biscuits and gravy) for a lobster. We don't have too many >lobsters in Kansas! I could also trade sunflower seeds. > >Blessings, >Barby > >married 21 years, mom of 5 sons- KS >UC - dx in 1965 (11yo), ostomy 1972, BCIR (continent ostomy)1994 >PSC- dx in 1999 >nordgren1@... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 << Lobster, Lobster, Lobster >> > I'll trade you some of our wonderful wheat (think cinnamon >rolls, hot bread, pancakes, pie, biscuits and gravy) for a >lobster. We don't have too many lobsters in Kansas> > Barby I'll raise your wheat. Think salsa, hot peppers, figs, corn bread, and from Dallas the TV Show -- King Ranch Chicken. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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