RE: Re: eye cream?

December 5, 2007

I've been using only Grapefruit Seed Extract to preserve my creams (used

only by myself of course), and was wondering if you're not using it near

your eyes, but as a body lotion, what is the harm if there is some

bacteria in it? After all, we touch bacteria every day when we walk

around outside?

Re: eye cream?

It was actually due to several cases in the 1970's of people going

blind from using contaminated eye products that prompted companies

to start using preservatives. You may want to rethink that. Its one

thing to get a skin infection or other type of reaction on your

hands from an improperly preserved product, but 1000 fold more

serious if its in the eye.

Sagescript Institute, llc

http://www.sagescri <http://www.sagescript.com> pt.com

> A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye cream for her.

> I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found any formulas

> online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit worried, as

> I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a product. Has

> anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such a product?

>

> Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer

>

December 5, 2007

I'm no expert, but here's my layman's take.Â Yes, we all have contact with

bacteria everyday in our environment.Â Bacteria have their job to do -

important work that makes our lives possible in many ways.Â In my opinion,

contact with bacteria and other bugs exercises our immune systems and keeps them

running well.

However, when you make a lotion, cream, any creation with water, you are

creating a growth media for bacteria and other nasties that have the perfect

environment to flourish.Â That is different than picking up some bacteria in

casual contact.Â That is putting your hand in a soup of bacteria etc. and

slathering it on yourself.Â Rub it all over your hands.Â Then your nose

itches, so you rub it.Â Or you get something in your eye and you wipe the tears

away.Â And you touch innumerable things in your environment, contaminating all

of them.Â Not with just a few bacteria, but with millions.Â That is scary.

I don't expect my creations to be bacteria free - I work in as clean an

environment as I can provide, but I don't work in a sterile vacuum.Â I expect

my preservative to keep those bacteria and fungal spores from reproducing.

Debbie P in WI

Re: eye cream?

It was actually due to several cases in the 1970's of people going

blind from using contaminated eye products that prompted companies

to start using preservatives. You may want to rethink that. Its one

thing to get a skin infection or other type of reaction on your

hands from an improperly preserved product, but 1000 fold more

serious if its in the eye.

Sagescript Institute, llc

http://www.sagescri <http://www.sagescript.com> pt.com

> A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye cream for her.

> I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found any formulas

> online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit worried, as

> I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a product. Has

> anybody advice on the subject or tried to make such a product?

>

> Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer

>

December 5, 2007

if you want to risk your own health, that's entirely

up to you -

GSE only helps prevent rancidity - it has nothing to

do with bacteria or molds. To me the major difference

is you are applying what would probably become a

leave-on film of bacteria - that's very different from

casual contact with air born germies... moreover,

because it's a lotion, it's causing a moist

environment to last longer than normal.

A haven for even more bacteria/molds to grow in.

HTH paint a picture,

Willow

--- Ornitte wrote:

> I've been using only Grapefruit Seed Extract to

> preserve my creams (used

> only by myself of course), and was wondering if

> you're not using it near

> your eyes, but as a body lotion, what is the harm if

> there is some

> bacteria in it? After all, we touch bacteria every

> day when we walk

> around outside?

>

> Re: eye cream?

>

> It was actually due to several cases in the 1970's

> of people going

> blind from using contaminated eye products that

> prompted companies

> to start using preservatives. You may want to

> rethink that. Its one

> thing to get a skin infection or other type of

> reaction on your

> hands from an improperly preserved product, but 1000

> fold more

> serious if its in the eye.

>

> Sagescript Institute, llc

> http://www.sagescri <http://www.sagescript.com>

> pt.com

>

> > A fried of mine asked me if I could make some eye

> cream for her.

> > I thought a bit about researching ( haven't found

> any formulas

> > online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit

> worried, as

> > I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a

> product. Has

> > anybody advice on the subject or tried to make

> such a product?

> >

> > Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

December 5, 2007

I wouldn't count on that if it were my eyes.

--- wrote:

> Many Grapefruit seed extracts contain the antibiotic

> triclosan which

> is added to the extract as a preservative. Because

> of that, GSE has

> some ability to preserve lotions. Here is a link to

> some abstracts

> on that:

> http://sagescript.com/grapefruit_seed.htm

> Right, we are constantly exposed to bacteria and

> maintaining our

> natural flora on the skin is important. Our eyes (as

> far as I know)

> do not have a normal flora though and are kept clean

> by tears.

> As for what harm is there in having bacteria in an

> eye product? -

> none, if it is a harmless bacteria, however, if it

> is a harmful

> bacteria the harm is in going blind. How much of a

> risk are you

> willing to take?? And the only way to know if your

> product has

> bacteria or mold in it is to have it tested.

>

> Sagescript Institute, llc

> http://www.sagescript.com

> Microbiology, Hydrosols, Botanicals

>

> > I've been using only Grapefruit Seed Extract to

> preserve my creams

> (used

> > only by myself of course), and was wondering if

> you're not using

> it near

> > your eyes, but as a body lotion, what is the harm

> if there is some

> > bacteria in it? After all, we touch bacteria

> every day when we

> walk

> > around outside?

> >

> > Re: eye cream?

> >

> > It was actually due to several cases in the 1970's

> of people going

> > blind from using contaminated eye products that

> prompted companies

> > to start using preservatives. You may want to

> rethink that. Its

> one

> > thing to get a skin infection or other type of

> reaction on your

> > hands from an improperly preserved product, but

> 1000 fold more

> > serious if its in the eye.

> >

> > Sagescript Institute, llc

> > http://www.sagescri <http://www.sagescript.com>

> pt.com

> >

> > > A fried of mine asked me if I could make some

> eye cream for her.

> > > I thought a bit about researching ( haven't

> found any formulas

> > > online) and/or experimenting and then got a bit

> worried, as

> > > I wouldn't want to put a preservative in such a

> product. Has

> > > anybody advice on the subject or tried to make

> such a product?

> > >

> > > Thanks for any ideas. --Di Spicer

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

December 5, 2007

Thanks for the info about the triclosan in GSE - I don't use it, but

had been thinking about getting it. I, however, definitely am not going to

use anything with triclosan in it - it's a battle I'm getting ready to fight

with the hospital where I used to work and my daughter still works.

Triclosan is definitely carcinogenic and the soap throughout the hospitals

this company owns contains triclosan. The soap itself is very caustic to

the skin, and if when you have to wash your hands as many times as nurses

and doctors do, well you can imagine.

Ann

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December 6, 2007

funny this should come up - i tried finding the time

length document in the CDC files and couldn't! For

MRSA staph washing guidelines it's a full minute. I

will tell u what shocked me tho - rubber gloves only

give70-80% protection from infection. So you still

have to wash after gloves. The efficacy is the rubbing

more than the soap product - the soap cleans but you

stlll have to WASH! lol

willow

--- wrote:

> Ann, if you need amunition for your battle with the

> hospital, go to

> the CDC website. They have done some studies

> comparing antibiotic

> containing soap with regular soap and found no

> difference - the

> difference only occurs when people do not wash their

> hands properly.

> But, actually, that is probably a concern of the

> hospital. With so

> much handwashing, people rarely do the 20-30 second

> wash that is

> important to remove bacteria from the hands. One way

> to help with

> making sure you wash for 20-30 seconds is to hum or

> sing a song

> while washing. One song I recommend is " ring around

> the rosey " since

> that song as you may know is about the plague - and

> what a better

> reminder of why cleanliness is important! ;-)

>

> Sagescript Institute, llc

> http://www.sagescript.com

>

> > Thanks for the info about the triclosan in

> GSE - I don't use

> it, but

> > had been thinking about getting it. I, however,

> definitely am not

> going to

> > use anything with triclosan in it - it's a battle

> I'm getting

> ready to fight

> > with the hospital where I used to work and my

> daughter still works.

> > Triclosan is definitely carcinogenic and the soap

> throughout the

> hospitals

> > this company owns contains triclosan. The soap

> itself is very

> caustic to

> > the skin, and if when you have to wash your hands

> as many times as

> nurses

> > and doctors do, well you can imagine.

> >

> > Ann

> > annrn@...

> > www.wingsets.com

>

December 7, 2007

Thanks - they have that info and they have it posted to remind people

to wash their hands, but you're correct, no one wants to take the time in a

busy hospital to do that, plus the soap they use is so caustic, no one wants

to spend more time using it. I'm going to show them just plain glycerine

soap with essential oils in it and let them compare it over a period of time

- that's my plan anyway - we'll see.

Thanks for the info.

Merry Christmas!

Ann

annrn@...

www.wingsets.com

Re: eye cream?

Ann, if you need amunition for your battle with the hospital, go to

the CDC website. They have done some studies comparing antibiotic

containing soap with regular soap and found no difference - the

difference only occurs when people do not wash their hands properly.

But, actually, that is probably a concern of the hospital. With so

much handwashing, people rarely do the 20-30 second wash that is

important to remove bacteria from the hands. One way to help with

making sure you wash for 20-30 seconds is to hum or sing a song

while washing. One song I recommend is " ring around the rosey " since

that song as you may know is about the plague - and what a better

reminder of why cleanliness is important! ;-)

Sagescript Institute, llc

http://www.sagescri <http://www.sagescript.com> pt.com

> Thanks for the info about the triclosan in GSE - I don't use

it, but

> had been thinking about getting it. I, however, definitely am not

going to

> use anything with triclosan in it - it's a battle I'm getting

ready to fight

> with the hospital where I used to work and my daughter still works.

> Triclosan is definitely carcinogenic and the soap throughout the

hospitals

> this company owns contains triclosan. The soap itself is very

caustic to

> the skin, and if when you have to wash your hands as many times as

nurses

> and doctors do, well you can imagine.

>

> Ann

> annrn@...

> www.wingsets.com

December 11, 2007

Ok, you are all right, I shouldn't be slathering bacteria on my body.

But, there must be natural ways to preserve a product, since there are

some companies that claim they don't use chemical preservatives, such as

Dr.Hauschka -- one of their ingredient listings is below -- but I

suppose a little home cream-maker like me should just use the strong

stuff.

Rose Day Cream

Water/Aqua

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=11

2 & ingredient=Water%2fAqua> , Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=15

8 & ingredient=Sesamum+Indicum+(Sesame)+Seed+Oil> , Alcohol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=2 &

ingredient=Alcohol> , Althaea Officinalis (Marsh Mallow) Extract

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=21

7 & ingredient=Althaea+Officinalis+(Marsh+Mallow)+Extract> ,

Damascena (Rose) Flower Water

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=21

5 & ingredient=+Damascena+(Rose)+Flower+Water> , Gallica (Rose)

Flower Extract

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=87

& ingredient=+Gallica+(Rose)+Flower+Extract> , Anthyllis Vulneraria

Extract

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=5 &

ingredient=Anthyllis+Vulneraria+Extract> , Prunus Armeniaca (Apricot)

Kernel Oil

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=14

6 & ingredient=Prunus+Armeniaca+(Apricot)+Kernel+Oil> , Prunus Amygdalus

Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=20

9 & ingredient=Prunus+Amygdalus+Dulcis+(Sweet+Almond)+Oil> , Cetearyl

Alcohol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=17

0 & ingredient=Cetearyl+Alcohol> , Bentonite

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=10

& ingredient=Bentonite> , Beeswax/Cera Flava

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=9 &

ingredient=Beeswax%2fCera+Flava> , Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil

Unsaponifiables

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=21

3 & ingredient=Persea+Gratissima+(Avocado)+Oil+Unsaponifiables> , Triticum

Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=11

3 & ingredient=Triticum+Vulgare+(Wheat)+Germ+Oil> , Lysolecithin

(Hydrolyzed Lecithin)

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=21

1 & ingredient=Lysolecithin+(Hydrolyzed+Lecithin)> , Canina (Rose

Hip) Fruit Extract

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=84

& ingredient=+Canina+(Rose+Hip)+Fruit+Extract> , Fragrance/Parfum

(Essential Oil)

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=43

& ingredient=Fragrance%2fParfum+(Essential+Oil)> , Citronellol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=13

5 & ingredient=Citronellol> , Geraniol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=14

0 & ingredient=Geraniol> , Linalool

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=13

8 & ingredient=Linalool> , Limonene

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=13

7 & ingredient=Limonene> , Citral

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=13

4 & ingredient=Citral> , Farnesol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=13

1 & ingredient=Farnesol> , Benzyl Alcohol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=16

2 & ingredient=Benzyl+Alcohol> , Eugenol

<http://www.drhauschka.com/holistic-products/glossary/default.aspx?id=12

8 & ingredient=Eugenol> , Damascena (Rose) Flower Wax