Re: frequency of coiling

[Guest guest]

Hi and Peggy,

It's true that coiling too frequently at the beginning will cause biotoxin buildup. Could it be, Peggy, that what you are experiencing is not due to Lyme symptoms necessarily, but a response to biotoxins from coiling? Just a thought.

If that's the case, though, instead of coiling more often, you might want to stick with once a week, and try experimenting with detox protocols that specifically address detoxing the brain and nervous system, as that might alleviate your anxiety symptoms.

- Jane

Subject: frequency of coilingTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:55 PM

I coiled only once a week as I my body did not release the toxins very well and after a few months of coiling more then once a week, it became apparent to me that I was getting worse due to the neuro-toxins building up. I also think that coiling stirs up the metals so I think it is wise to due a little metal detoxing between rife sessions. Everyone is different, but if you notice after a few months of coiling twice a week, you may need to back down. Cholestyramine completely eliminated the symptoms, so I know that it was a neurotoxin removal issue. Jim Jax also posted an article once by a doctor who said that it wasn't good to treat too often as the body needs a break. It is human nature to be impatient and want to treat more often, but the body has it's own timeline and it will let you know if you are treating too often. Make sure you do a lot of detox if you are coiling 2X

weekly.------------------------------------If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line. -------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

I doubt it. I've had cholestyramine on hand since consulting Dr. S (he's written a book and is well-known for the cholestyramine protocol, but I'll leave out his name). It's never failed to eliminate biotoxins for me, so it's hard to imagine I could have a biotoxin buildup. And the way this happened--feeling fine for a whole week, then suddenly being hit by these neuro symptoms all at once--is much more reminiscent of past experiences with Lyme itself than with the biotoxins it produces. That's why I've been pondering how this happened, and the only conclusion I can come up with is a flood of new spirochetes released by rupturing cysts. And that thought surely doesn't incline me to want to take a break from coiling.

Peggy

Re: frequency of coiling

Hi and Peggy,

It's true that coiling too frequently at the beginning will cause biotoxin buildup. Could it be, Peggy, that what you are experiencing is not due to Lyme symptoms necessarily, but a response to biotoxins from coiling? Just a thought.

If that's the case, though, instead of coiling more often, you might want to stick with once a week, and try experimenting with detox protocols that specifically address detoxing the brain and nervous system, as that might alleviate your anxiety symptoms.

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

Then it's apparently necessary for you to follow your feelings regarding your own condition. I don't think there's any danger in experimenting with increased coiling sessions, if you know what might result, and how to deal with dieoff. As you are well informed, and advised it, it might be the very thing you need to do.

Best of luck, and I hope it works to kill those emerging cysts. I think that at the autumnal equinox, Bb is most vulnerable to coiling, and it's possible to make a large impact on bacterial loads, that will advance treatment in the long run. It stands to reason that when reproducing, the organism is under stress, and it's an ideal time to hit it hard. Just my personal theory.

- Jane

Subject: Re: frequency of coilingTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:28 PM

Hi Jane,

I doubt it. I've had cholestyramine on hand since consulting Dr. S (he's written a book and is well-known for the cholestyramine protocol, but I'll leave out his name). It's never failed to eliminate biotoxins for me, so it's hard to imagine I could have a biotoxin buildup. And the way this happened--feeling fine for a whole week, then suddenly being hit by these neuro symptoms all at once--is much more reminiscent of past experiences with Lyme itself than with the biotoxins it produces. That's why I've been pondering how this happened, and the only conclusion I can come up with is a flood of new spirochetes released by rupturing cysts. And that thought surely doesn't incline me to want to take a break from coiling.

Peggy

Re: frequency of coiling

Hi and Peggy,

It's true that coiling too frequently at the beginning will cause biotoxin buildup. Could it be, Peggy, that what you are experiencing is not due to Lyme symptoms necessarily, but a response to biotoxins from coiling? Just a thought.

If that's the case, though, instead of coiling more often, you might want to stick with once a week, and try experimenting with detox protocols that specifically address detoxing the brain and nervous system, as that might alleviate your anxiety symptoms.

- Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

That sounds like a good theory to me. Makes great sense that the organism is under stress--it's surely putting ME under stress right now. And if extra coiling has the potential to make a large impact on bacterial loads at this time, I can definitely handle the die-off. I've gotten pretty good at that, and haven't had a herx last more than a day in a very long time. Thanks so much for your input--I value it very highly.

Peggy

Re: frequency of coiling

Hi Peggy,

Then it's apparently necessary for you to follow your feelings regarding your own condition. I don't think there's any danger in experimenting with increased coiling sessions, if you know what might result, and how to deal with dieoff. As you are well informed, and advised it, it might be the very thing you need to do.

Best of luck, and I hope it works to kill those emerging cysts. I think that at the autumnal equinox, Bb is most vulnerable to coiling, and it's possible to make a large impact on bacterial loads, that will advance treatment in the long run. It stands to reason that when reproducing, the organism is under stress, and it's an ideal time to hit it hard. Just my personal theory.

- Jane

[Guest guest]

There's an old Chinese saying: 'In order to compress something, first let it fully expand.' What you say makes a lot of sense, Jane.Be well,LénaHi Peggy, Then it's apparently necessary for you to follow your feelings regarding your own condition. I don't think there's any danger in experimenting with increased coiling sessions, if you know what might result, and how to deal with dieoff. As you are well informed, and advised it, it might be the very thing you need to do. Best of luck, and I hope it works to kill those emerging cysts. I think that at the autumnal equinox, Bb is most vulnerable to coiling, and it's possible to make a large impact on bacterial loads, that will advance treatment in the long run. It stands to reason that when reproducing, the organism is under stress, and it's an ideal time to hit it hard. Just my personal theory. - JaneSubject: Re: frequency of coilingTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:28 PMHi Jane, I doubt it. I've had cholestyramine on hand since consulting Dr. S (he's written a book and is well-known for the cholestyramine protocol, but I'll leave out his name). It's never failed to eliminate biotoxins for me, so it's hard to imagine I could have a biotoxin buildup. And the way this happened--feeling fine for a whole week, then suddenly being hit by these neuro symptoms all at once--is much more reminiscent of past experiences with Lyme itself than with the biotoxins it produces. That's why I've been pondering how this happened, and the only conclusion I can come up with is a flood of new spirochetes released by rupturing cysts. And that thought surely doesn't incline me to want to take a break from coiling. Peggy Re: frequency of coiling Hi and Peggy, It's true that coiling too frequently at the beginning will cause biotoxin buildup. Could it be, Peggy, that what you are experiencing is not due to Lyme symptoms necessarily, but a response to biotoxins from coiling? Just a thought. If that's the case, though, instead of coiling more often, you might want to stick with once a week, and try experimenting with detox protocols that specifically address detoxing the brain and nervous system, as that might alleviate your anxiety symptoms. - Jane

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What are good products that detoxify the brain and nervous system? I also have severe anxiety whether I herx or not. A herx just intensifies it.Sent from my iPad

Hi and Peggy,

It's true that coiling too frequently at the beginning will cause biotoxin buildup. Could it be, Peggy, that what you are experiencing is not due to Lyme symptoms necessarily, but a response to biotoxins from coiling? Just a thought.

If that's the case, though, instead of coiling more often, you might want to stick with once a week, and try experimenting with detox protocols that specifically address detoxing the brain and nervous system, as that might alleviate your anxiety symptoms.

- Jane

Subject: frequency of coilingTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:55 PM

I coiled only once a week as I my body did not release the toxins very well and after a few months of coiling more then once a week, it became apparent to me that I was getting worse due to the neuro-toxins building up. I also think that coiling stirs up the metals so I think it is wise to due a little metal detoxing between rife sessions. Everyone is different, but if you notice after a few months of coiling twice a week, you may need to back down. Cholestyramine completely eliminated the symptoms, so I know that it was a neurotoxin removal issue. Jim Jax also posted an article once by a doctor who said that it wasn't good to treat too often as the body needs a break. It is human nature to be impatient and want to treat more often, but the body has it's own timeline and it will let you know if you are treating too often. Make sure you do a lot of detox if you are coiling 2X

weekly.------------------------------------If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line. -------------------------------

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I personally like Source Naturals' K-mag KG. It sops up ammonia. I also fo Bentonite and FGC. ∞, LWhat are good products that detoxify the brain and nervous system? I also have severe anxiety whether I herx or not. A herx just intensifies it.Sent from my iPad Hi and Peggy, It's true that coiling too frequently at the beginning will cause biotoxin buildup. Could it be, Peggy, that what you are experiencing is not due to Lyme symptoms necessarily, but a response to biotoxins from coiling? Just a thought. If that's the case, though, instead of coiling more often, you might want to stick with once a week, and try experimenting with detox protocols that specifically address detoxing the brain and nervous system, as that might alleviate your anxiety symptoms. - JaneSubject: frequency of coilingTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 12:55 PMI coiled only once a week as I my body did not release the toxins very well and after a few months of coiling more then once a week, it became apparent to me that I was getting worse due to the neuro-toxins building up. I also think that coiling stirs up the metals so I think it is wise to due a little metal detoxing between rife sessions. Everyone is different, but if you notice after a few months of coiling twice a week, you may need to back down. Cholestyramine completely eliminated the symptoms, so I know that it was a neurotoxin removal issue. Jim Jax also posted an article once by a doctor who said that it wasn't good to treat too often as the body needs a break. It is human nature to be impatient and want to treat more often, but the body has it's own timeline and it will let you know if you are treating too often. Make sure you do a lot of detox if you are coiling 2X weekly.------------------------------------If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line. -------------------------------

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Cholestyramine did nothing for me (that I could tell), but chlorella (25 tablets 3x/day for one week, then 15/3x/day) and green water cleared up symptoms right away.  (When I thought I was dumping metals).