Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hi Mark, Welcome to the CosmeticInfo list..... I hope you'll continute to participate now that you've waded in! To better answer your questions, it would be helpful to have the complete ingredient listing of the product. Ingredients that solubize ephmeral substances (essential oils, etc.) into water are normally surfactants, but typcially called solubizers. Polysorbate 20 is one that is commonly used, but it can be tricky, depending on the essential oil that you are trying to disperse. Some individual essential oils require more solubizer than others to arrive at a clear solution. Most often, it takes a ratio of one part essential oil to one and one half parts solubizer, but it can be as much as 1 to 4. I would recommend a solubizer product from Jen at LotionCrafter called Caprol Micro Express. It is used to form a clear " microemulsion " . I like the elegant afterfeel much better than sprays made using Polysorbate. INCI: PEG-6 Caprylic/Capric Glycerides (and) Polyglycerol-6 Dioleate (and) Glyceryl Caprylate/Caprate http://www.lotioncrafter.com/store/Caprol-Micro-Express-CME-pr-16192.html Hope this helps, Pam Cosmetic Formulator www.cosmeticformulator.com " The Ingredient Source for Cosmetic Crafters. " infusion > Hi all - > > My first post and let me thank you all for a great list. My > condolences to Maurice's family and friends. I've been reading the > list from the begining for the last few weeks and his posts have been > invaluable. > > I've quite the novice at this stuff but I have learned a lot in the > last few months. I've got a lot of experience with oral supplements > and body building/shaping but not much with skin care. I'm a guy, so > go figure > > Anyway, in my quest to make various products, I came across one that > had me perplexed. It's called " icy Heat spray " from zen zone. > It's a light crystal clear liquid spray with the obvious extracts/oils > to be used as sort of like " ben gay " ointment for muscle aches and > inflamation of tendons etc. > > They don't list the ingredients on their website but on the bottle the > only things listed are water (first) then oils and extracts - mostly > oils. I know a little about emulsification and hope to learn much much > more, but there are no emulsifiers in the product - at least from what > the label says. > On their website they say " We've infused White Willow Bark with > Eucalyptus Oil in an easy to use spray. " But that's it. Those are only > 2 of about 8 oils. > So my question is, how do they do it? Is it possible that there are > some emulsifiers that don't require label listing? Or if they used an > " infusion " of WW bark extract and Eucalytpus oil, then added it to > their product, the emulsifiers in that " infusion " don't need to be > listed? Or possibly is peppermint oil an emulsifier? (kidding... sort > of...) > > Thanks all - and great list > > Mark > > > > > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Thanks Pam - I know it would be better for me to post all the ingreidents but it would take too long. though I'm just learning about what different surfactants and emulsifiers do and what they feel like in a product, I do recognize them on ingredient labels. Just got through with a fun experiment with carbomer 940 and Triethanolamine. I use polysorbate 80 in a couple of test batches, but you're right - it's very tricky. I haven't quite figured it out yet. But I promise you, this label does not include any surfactant or emulsifier listed. I'm just wondering how they get around it or if because they are such a small company (though they have stores at Universal City walk in Los Angeles and Pier 39 in San Francisco) no one pays attention. I'm not trying to recreate it. It doesn't do anything anyway. Thanks for the heads up on the Caprol Micro Express. I just got finished ordering some stuff from lotioncrafter an hour ago but that looks like something I might be able to use in the future. Mark > > Hi Mark, > Welcome to the CosmeticInfo list..... I hope you'll continute to participate > now that you've waded in! > > To better answer your questions, it would be helpful to have the complete > ingredient listing of the product. > Ingredients that solubize ephmeral substances (essential oils, etc.) into > water are normally surfactants, but typcially called solubizers. > Polysorbate 20 is one that is commonly used, but it can be tricky, depending > on the essential oil that you are trying to disperse. Some individual > essential oils require more solubizer than others to arrive at a clear > solution. Most often, it takes a ratio of one part essential oil to one > and one half parts solubizer, but it can be as much as 1 to 4. > > I would recommend a solubizer product from Jen at LotionCrafter called > Caprol Micro Express. It is used to form a clear " microemulsion " . I like > the elegant afterfeel much better than sprays made using Polysorbate. > > INCI: PEG-6 Caprylic/Capric Glycerides (and) Polyglycerol-6 Dioleate (and) > Glyceryl Caprylate/Caprate > http://www.lotioncrafter.com/store/Caprol-Micro-Express-CME-pr-16192.html > > Hope this helps, > Pam > > Cosmetic Formulator > www.cosmeticformulator.com > " The Ingredient Source for Cosmetic Crafters. " > infusion > > > > Hi all - > > > > My first post and let me thank you all for a great list. My > > condolences to Maurice's family and friends. I've been reading the > > list from the begining for the last few weeks and his posts have been > > invaluable. > > > > I've quite the novice at this stuff but I have learned a lot in the > > last few months. I've got a lot of experience with oral supplements > > and body building/shaping but not much with skin care. I'm a guy, so > > go figure > > > > Anyway, in my quest to make various products, I came across one that > > had me perplexed. It's called " icy Heat spray " from zen zone. > > It's a light crystal clear liquid spray with the obvious extracts/oils > > to be used as sort of like " ben gay " ointment for muscle aches and > > inflamation of tendons etc. > > > > They don't list the ingredients on their website but on the bottle the > > only things listed are water (first) then oils and extracts - mostly > > oils. I know a little about emulsification and hope to learn much much > > more, but there are no emulsifiers in the product - at least from what > > the label says. > > On their website they say " We've infused White Willow Bark with > > Eucalyptus Oil in an easy to use spray. " But that's it. Those are only > > 2 of about 8 oils. > > So my question is, how do they do it? Is it possible that there are > > some emulsifiers that don't require label listing? Or if they used an > > " infusion " of WW bark extract and Eucalytpus oil, then added it to > > their product, the emulsifiers in that " infusion " don't need to be > > listed? Or possibly is peppermint oil an emulsifier? (kidding... sort > > of...) > > > > Thanks all - and great list > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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