Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the information. For $35.00 it seems reasonable. Anyone in the

Toronto area who wants a date for the conference, please let me know.

Mississauga, Ontario

RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

[Guest guest]

Bev,

I understand you position, but given the success that I have had in the past

year I always look forward for a way to network and tell people about the AP.

I think that it is time some of the AP successes start to fight against the

conventional forces that do nothing to halt the progression of the disease.

RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

[Guest guest]

We have a Scleroderma conference in the spring here in Ottawa and I don't

even feel like going.

Donna

Ottawa, Canada

Scleroderma, Raynaud's 01/95, AP 10/97

(My Story) www.compmore.net/~donray

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>From: BHow4322@...

>

>,

>

>Thanks for the information. For $35.00 it seems reasonable. Anyone in the

>Toronto area who wants a date for the conference, please let me know.

>

>

>Mississauga, Ontario

>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't either considering their track record at the speech you gave to

the Scleroderma Foundation.

Bev

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>

>

>>From: BHow4322@...

>>

>>,

>>

>>Thanks for the information. For $35.00 it seems reasonable. Anyone in

the

>>Toronto area who wants a date for the conference, please let me know.

>>

>>

>>Mississauga, Ontario

>>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>>

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[Guest guest]

Hi :

I am so glad to hear of your success and I know it will come for all of us

in time. I know what you mean. Some people will be open to AP and others

will look at your like you are nuts. I promote it every chance I get too

but I don't know that I would have the confidence to buck the system at the

Scleroderma Foundation. They followed Donna around handing out brochures

about their theories after Donna had spoken. (if I remember correctly). I

would be so angry I would freak. Donna could probably handle it because

she is in pretty good shape.

At a conference in Toronto there will be lots of pharmaceuticals represented

I'm sure. I hope anyone promoting AP wouldn't feel like a witch doctor or

something. I have been looked at like I was nuts when I mention the AP.

You have to pick your targets.

Keep getting better,

Hugs

Bev

Re: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>Bev,

>

>I understand you position, but given the success that I have had in the

past

>year I always look forward for a way to network and tell people about the

AP.

>I think that it is time some of the AP successes start to fight against the

>conventional forces that do nothing to halt the progression of the disease.

>

>

>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>

[Guest guest]

Bev,

Why worry about whether someone will think you're nuts for promoting AP.

You know you're not and you're probably better informed than most of them

are. I have found in the past (I used to do alot of lobbying) that the

people who attempt to be the most intimidating are usually the ones who are

wrong -- they don't have anything else to back up their case except

intimidation. I tend to listen more to people who demonstrate a quiet

confidence about their position, neither forcing their opinions nor backing

away from them. I try to do this when I'm telling someone about AP and,

for the most part, it at least gets them interested in finding out more.

As far as the pharmaceutical companies are concerned, they stand to lose

megabucks if we reject their drugs, so of course they'll do whatever they

can to keep us quiet. I kind of think it's fun to stir up the pot and make

people think.

a

Re: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>Bev,

>

>I understand you position, but given the success that I have had in the

past

>year I always look forward for a way to network and tell people about the

AP.

>I think that it is time some of the AP successes start to fight against

the

>conventional forces that do nothing to halt the progression of the

disease.

>

>

>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>

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[Guest guest]

" I tend to listen more to people who demonstrate a quiet

confidence about their position, neither forcing their opinions nor backing

away from them. I try to do this when I'm telling someone about AP and,

for the most part, it at least gets them interested in finding out more. "

That's very good advice for life in general!

Kari

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>From: a Peden <paula.peden@...>

> " 'Briarwood' " <briarwood@...>, " 'Arthritis Support' "

<rheumaticonelist>

>Subject: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>Date: Fri, Feb 19, 1999, 11:51 AM

>

>From: a Peden <paula.peden@...>

>

>Bev,

>Why worry about whether someone will think you're nuts for promoting AP.

> You know you're not and you're probably better informed than most of them

>are. I have found in the past (I used to do alot of lobbying) that the

>people who attempt to be the most intimidating are usually the ones who are

>wrong -- they don't have anything else to back up their case except

>intimidation. I tend to listen more to people who demonstrate a quiet

>confidence about their position, neither forcing their opinions nor backing

>away from them. I try to do this when I'm telling someone about AP and,

>for the most part, it at least gets them interested in finding out more.

> As far as the pharmaceutical companies are concerned, they stand to lose

>megabucks if we reject their drugs, so of course they'll do whatever they

>can to keep us quiet. I kind of think it's fun to stir up the pot and make

>people think.

>a

> Re: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>

>

>>Bev,

>>

>>I understand you position, but given the success that I have had in the

>past

>>year I always look forward for a way to network and tell people about the

>AP.

>>I think that it is time some of the AP successes start to fight against

>the

>>conventional forces that do nothing to halt the progression of the

>disease.

>>

>>

>>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi a:

I agree with you about picking who you discuss AP with. Some people are

just so traditional they wouldn't try anything that wasn't the popular

treatment. Those kinds of people aren't the kind I would try to sway

although you never know you might get them at a weak moment when they are

disallusioned. I have never met anyone to argue my case with as the people

I have spoken to had never heard of AP. The only people other than you

folks, that I know who have RA or the other diseases we have, are at my RD's

office. That's where I usually spread the word, very quietly too, as my RD

doesn't like AP and told me I'd be sorry I went on it. All the big guns

will be at that conference in Toronto, all the latest high tech, expensive

drugs who seem to be promoted by all the well known RDs. It would be nice

to have someone representing the AP as an alternative.

BEv

Re: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>

>

>>Bev,

>>

>>I understand you position, but given the success that I have had in the

>past

>>year I always look forward for a way to network and tell people about the

>AP.

>>I think that it is time some of the AP successes start to fight against

>the

>>conventional forces that do nothing to halt the progression of the

>disease.

>>

>>

>>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think all arthritics should band together and start our own HMO

then with several hundred thousand subscribers in hand,

we could negotiate with drug companies , hospitals ,

physician groups , and in numbers WE could call our shots

Then instead of being told what we don't have we would dictate what

we do need. More on this later. but think about it , would you be willing to

join a HMO for arthritic folks that had plans to supplement

Medicare , or be your sole insurance. Why be in a pool of other

people that cause the price of your HMO to go up when

you could have your group with statistics that did not include

costly invasive protocols that raise your premiums?

Any body have any thoughts on this?? Ya you Canooks

can laugh but when was the last time you saw a MD of you choosing

and how long does it take to change MD's . Do you think your system

is perfect or how could it be improved on? I would seriously like to know..

Root God Love ya and Keep ya

[Guest guest]

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>I think all arthritics should band together and start our own HMO

>then with several hundred thousand subscribers in hand,

>we could negotiate with drug companies , hospitals ,

>physician groups , and in numbers WE could call our shots

>Then instead of being told what we don't have we would dictate what

>we do need. More on this later. but think about it , would you be willing

to

>join a HMO for arthritic folks that had plans to supplement

>Medicare , or be your sole insurance. Why be in a pool of other

>people that cause the price of your HMO to go up when

>you could have your group with statistics that did not include

>costly invasive protocols that raise your premiums?

>Any body have any thoughts on this?? Ya you Canooks

>can laugh but when was the last time you saw a MD of you choosing

>and how long does it take to change MD's . Do you think your system

>is perfect or how could it be improved on? I would seriously like to know..

> Root God Love ya and Keep ya

>

[Guest guest]

What interests me most about this conference is the sessions on

accupuncture, nutrition, excercise, naturopathy. I was quite surprised that

there is so much in these areas.

(I also found out my doctor is speaking.)

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>From: BHow4322@...

>

>Bev,

>

>I understand you position, but given the success that I have had in the

past

>year I always look forward for a way to network and tell people about the

AP.

>I think that it is time some of the AP successes start to fight against the

>conventional forces that do nothing to halt the progression of the disease.

>

>

>RA 3 yrs AP 10 mths

>

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[Guest guest]

HI ,

YES! As one without insurance, I'd definitely be interested! Sounds

like quite a big undertaking, though.

Debra

ROBERT M ROOT wrote:

>

> From: " ROBERT M ROOT " <RU42354@...>

>

> I think all arthritics should band together and start our own HMO

> then with several hundred thousand subscribers in hand,

> we could negotiate with drug companies , hospitals ,

> physician groups , and in numbers WE could call our shots

> Then instead of being told what we don't have we would dictate what

> we do need. More on this later. but think about it , would you be willing to

> join a HMO for arthritic folks that had plans to supplement

> Medicare , or be your sole insurance. Why be in a pool of other

> people that cause the price of your HMO to go up when

> you could have your group with statistics that did not include

> costly invasive protocols that raise your premiums?

> Any body have any thoughts on this?? Ya you Canooks

> can laugh but when was the last time you saw a MD of you choosing

> and how long does it take to change MD's . Do you think your system

> is perfect or how could it be improved on? I would seriously like to know..

> Root God Love ya and Keep ya

>

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[Guest guest]

Bob our chances of talking these MD's into socialized medicine

is like talking Mao into being the Pope. When I had my 2nd spinal fusion the

4 MD's that were involved were all expatriated Canadians.

They are not quite ready to go home at the moment

Thank you for information involving your medical services

as the more I know the more I'll understand our alternatives.

Root

[Guest guest]

,

We Canucks aren't laughing too loud. Socialized medicine isn't always the

greatest either. While basic services are covered, medications, medicals

supplies, etc. aren't and the wait lists for basic services are outrageous.

My parents' friend was diagnosed early last December with lung cancer

(while going through pre-op tests for a hip replacement he had waited

months for) and had to wait 2 1/2 MONTHS for his cancer surgery (the hip

replacement was put on hold). Another friend was scheduled for a very

dangerous operation last week that required both a heart and a lung

specialist. He waited months for his operation date, went in the night

before, was prepped the morning of and was on his way down to surgery when

the doctors came out and said they couldn't proceed because there wasn't a

bed available in post-op ICU. My mom currently needs her foot

reconstructed and has opted to pay for it privately because she would face

a wait of over a year to have it done through the system -- rather a long

time when you can barely walk. My 95 year old grandmother broke her wrist

last year and needed to be observed overnight but there wasn't a bed

available so she had to spend a very upsetting night in Emergency. Now

we've been having an epidemic of ambulances turned away from hospitals

because there aren't any beds available, all due to funding cutbacks in our

wonderful socialized health care system. And most of those Canadian

doctors you're encoutering in the States are there not just because they

can make more money in the States -- many of them left Canada because they

were frustrated with not being able to care for their patients properly

here. As a result, it's often hard to even find a doctor here with an

opening to take you on. I had to wait 2 months for my first appointment

with my Rheum and that was with my doctor checking around to see where he

could get me in first. And let's not forget that our taxes are WAY higher

than you folks in the U.S., so it's not like what we do have covered by

government health care is free -- we pay big taxes plus big health care

premiums for this wonderful health care. We only have to hope we get

through the wait lists before we croak. Just picture the lines at Disney

World's Tower of Terror on a summer long weekend and you'll have an idea of

what we face!

Good luck with your ideas. I do think the health system would improve if

the patients directed the show.

a

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

From: " ROBERT M ROOT " <RU42354@...>

I think all arthritics should band together and start our own HMO

then with several hundred thousand subscribers in hand,

we could negotiate with drug companies , hospitals ,

physician groups , and in numbers WE could call our shots

Then instead of being told what we don't have we would dictate what

we do need. More on this later. but think about it , would you be willing

to

join a HMO for arthritic folks that had plans to supplement

Medicare , or be your sole insurance. Why be in a pool of other

people that cause the price of your HMO to go up when

you could have your group with statistics that did not include

costly invasive protocols that raise your premiums?

Any body have any thoughts on this?? Ya you Canooks

can laugh but when was the last time you saw a MD of you choosing

and how long does it take to change MD's . Do you think your system

is perfect or how could it be improved on? I would seriously like to know..

Root God Love ya and Keep ya

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" Big Brother " clearly does not have the answer.

Kari

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>From: a Peden <paula.peden@...>

> " 'ROBERT M ROOT' " <RU42354@...>, " 'Arthritis Support' "

<rheumaticonelist>

>Subject: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 11:12 AM

>

>From: a Peden <paula.peden@...>

>

>,

>We Canucks aren't laughing too loud. Socialized medicine isn't always the

>greatest either. While basic services are covered, medications, medicals

>supplies, etc. aren't and the wait lists for basic services are outrageous.

> My parents' friend was diagnosed early last December with lung cancer

>(while going through pre-op tests for a hip replacement he had waited

>months for) and had to wait 2 1/2 MONTHS for his cancer surgery (the hip

>replacement was put on hold). Another friend was scheduled for a very

>dangerous operation last week that required both a heart and a lung

>specialist. He waited months for his operation date, went in the night

>before, was prepped the morning of and was on his way down to surgery when

>the doctors came out and said they couldn't proceed because there wasn't a

>bed available in post-op ICU. My mom currently needs her foot

>reconstructed and has opted to pay for it privately because she would face

>a wait of over a year to have it done through the system -- rather a long

>time when you can barely walk. My 95 year old grandmother broke her wrist

>last year and needed to be observed overnight but there wasn't a bed

>available so she had to spend a very upsetting night in Emergency. Now

>we've been having an epidemic of ambulances turned away from hospitals

>because there aren't any beds available, all due to funding cutbacks in our

>wonderful socialized health care system. And most of those Canadian

>doctors you're encoutering in the States are there not just because they

>can make more money in the States -- many of them left Canada because they

>were frustrated with not being able to care for their patients properly

>here. As a result, it's often hard to even find a doctor here with an

>opening to take you on. I had to wait 2 months for my first appointment

>with my Rheum and that was with my doctor checking around to see where he

>could get me in first. And let's not forget that our taxes are WAY higher

>than you folks in the U.S., so it's not like what we do have covered by

>government health care is free -- we pay big taxes plus big health care

>premiums for this wonderful health care. We only have to hope we get

>through the wait lists before we croak. Just picture the lines at Disney

>World's Tower of Terror on a summer long weekend and you'll have an idea of

>what we face!

>

>Good luck with your ideas. I do think the health system would improve if

>the patients directed the show.

>a

> rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>

>From: " ROBERT M ROOT " <RU42354@...>

>

>I think all arthritics should band together and start our own HMO

>then with several hundred thousand subscribers in hand,

>we could negotiate with drug companies , hospitals ,

>physician groups , and in numbers WE could call our shots

>Then instead of being told what we don't have we would dictate what

>we do need. More on this later. but think about it , would you be willing

>to

>join a HMO for arthritic folks that had plans to supplement

>Medicare , or be your sole insurance. Why be in a pool of other

>people that cause the price of your HMO to go up when

>you could have your group with statistics that did not include

>costly invasive protocols that raise your premiums?

>Any body have any thoughts on this?? Ya you Canooks

>can laugh but when was the last time you saw a MD of you choosing

>and how long does it take to change MD's . Do you think your system

>is perfect or how could it be improved on? I would seriously like to know..

> Root God Love ya and Keep ya

>

>

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[Guest guest]

a wrote:many of them left Canada because they

were frustrated with not being able to care for their patients properly

here. As a result, it's often hard to even find a doctor here with an

opening to take you on. I had to wait 2 months for my first appointment "

Many of them now are facing HMO's that are telling them the procedure to use

, how to use it , how much they will pay for it, and how long the patient

will need to recover.

HMO's started as a good thing they reduced the price of medicine through

numbers . Now they are trying to show their stockholders

and their board members a profit . This is done through cutting back on

quality of care. Quality of medication , limiting stays in the hospital,

corner cutting where ever they can.Sorry but the MD's are not business

oriented enough to unionize so like my last surgery the last words I heard

before seeing black were bitching and moaning about

the HMO SYSTEM. Boy did I feel good , if it were not for the 20mg

of valium they IV'ed into me I would have got up and walked off.

So where are we? I tell you those of us that are disabled and

on a fixed income are at the mercy of HMO's who are being sued right and

left for lack of adequate consideration. That's a real confidence builder!!

So we see them just taking it out on the next group coming through. It is

time for the patients to unite or unionize if you like ,

and bring these issues in front of the people that have political

aspirations. I know Geoff will jump on this, but at least the Clintons

recognized there is a problem as the Republicans suggested that if we

enhanced children's diet with catsup all their health needs would be solved.

Ahhhhh yes Cranialrectosis chronic in the Republicant's

health platform . Platform? Id call it a diving board into an empty pool.

Neither party has the gonads to face this problem with resolve,

rather " we, us, you and I , with the number 1 disabling disease in the

world,

Arthritis, quibble about Clinton! ,Hyde, Bush ohoh I didn't mean to write

that Freudian Oh well if Ethel can talk about who she feels I can

talk about how I feel . Nonetheless, change takes place in chaos

and we have chaos in our medical system and we, who have

a severe disease need to protect ourselves as if you look around

its only this support group and maybe your MD that gives a hoot

about your status and everyone else is trying to get more from you for less

in return. There is a solution............ but its a commitment to work for

change and unite in self advocacy . We might have to get up off our butts

and do something to improve our lot in life. SO God help us in our time of

need .

Root

Iv been reading too much Geoff.

[Guest guest]

Re: rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>a wrote:many of them left Canada because they

>were frustrated with not being able to care for their patients properly

>here. As a result, it's often hard to even find a doctor here with an

>opening to take you on. I had to wait 2 months for my first appointment "

>

>Many of them now are facing HMO's that are telling them the procedure to

use

>, how to use it , how much they will pay for it, and how long the patient

>will need to recover.

>HMO's started as a good thing they reduced the price of medicine through

>numbers . Now they are trying to show their stockholders

>and their board members a profit . This is done through cutting back on

>quality of care. Quality of medication , limiting stays in the hospital,

>corner cutting where ever they can.Sorry but the MD's are not business

>oriented enough to unionize so like my last surgery the last words I heard

>before seeing black were bitching and moaning about

>the HMO SYSTEM. Boy did I feel good , if it were not for the 20mg

>of valium they IV'ed into me I would have got up and walked off.

>So where are we? I tell you those of us that are disabled and

>on a fixed income are at the mercy of HMO's who are being sued right and

>left for lack of adequate consideration. That's a real confidence builder!!

>So we see them just taking it out on the next group coming through. It is

>time for the patients to unite or unionize if you like ,

>and bring these issues in front of the people that have political

>aspirations. I know Geoff will jump on this, but at least the Clintons

>recognized there is a problem as the Republicans suggested that if we

>enhanced children's diet with catsup all their health needs would be

solved.

>Ahhhhh yes Cranialrectosis chronic in the Republicant's

>health platform . Platform? Id call it a diving board into an empty pool.

>Neither party has the gonads to face this problem with resolve,

>rather " we, us, you and I , with the number 1 disabling disease in the

>world,

>Arthritis, quibble about Clinton! ,Hyde, Bush ohoh I didn't mean to write

>that Freudian Oh well if Ethel can talk about who she feels I can

>talk about how I feel . Nonetheless, change takes place in chaos

>and we have chaos in our medical system and we, who have

>a severe disease need to protect ourselves as if you look around

>its only this support group and maybe your MD that gives a hoot

>about your status and everyone else is trying to get more from you for less

>in return. There is a solution............ but its a commitment to work

for

>change and unite in self advocacy . We might have to get up off our butts

>and do something to improve our lot in life. SO God help us in our time

of

>need .

> Root

>

>Iv been reading too much Geoff.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's a pretty pathetic situation all the way around, isn't it?

a

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

From: S C <sasc@...>

Something is better than nothing. Here in the US if you have no money you dont

get any medical care.

Despite common belief " welfare " doesnt cover any adults in America unless you

are retirement age and

dont have social security or have gone thru the disability process and have

gotton on it. We had a

case in our state a couple of years ago where a young woman whos husband had

lost his job, had

cancer and needed immediate surgury. They went to human services office and to

every bank, hospital

and doctor around to try to get a load. They were turned down by everyone. In

desparation the young

man tried to rob a bank for some money to pay for it. He failed and was caught

but the publicity

brought forward a doctor (from a foreign country but he worked in Little Rock)

who offered his

services and then the Human Services said they would help her. This is the state

of medical services

for those who dont have money or insurance. Millions of us go without needed

medical care and

medicines because of the cost.

[Guest guest]

SC wrote: . Millions of us go without needed medical care and

medicines because of the cost.

Then the question is do you think it will get better? How?

Root

[Guest guest]

Isn't it interesting that our esteemed politicians in Ottawa have a gold

plated health insurance coverage with premiums covered by us good folks to

the tune of one million a month.

Bev

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>

>From: " ROBERT M ROOT " <RU42354@...>

>

>I think all arthritics should band together and start our own HMO

>then with several hundred thousand subscribers in hand,

>we could negotiate with drug companies , hospitals ,

>physician groups , and in numbers WE could call our shots

>Then instead of being told what we don't have we would dictate what

>we do need. More on this later. but think about it , would you be willing

>to

>join a HMO for arthritic folks that had plans to supplement

>Medicare , or be your sole insurance. Why be in a pool of other

>people that cause the price of your HMO to go up when

>you could have your group with statistics that did not include

>costly invasive protocols that raise your premiums?

>Any body have any thoughts on this?? Ya you Canooks

>can laugh but when was the last time you saw a MD of you choosing

>and how long does it take to change MD's . Do you think your system

>is perfect or how could it be improved on? I would seriously like to know..

> Root God Love ya and Keep ya

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Socialized medicine = HMO's

IMHO

Laney

[Guest guest]

Chrys,

I spoke to the Arthritis Society and got the brochure about the Joint Effort

Conference. Most of the sessions were full and they also didn't give me a lot

of hope that it would be very useful. One of the key speakers on RA is Dr.

Keystone, who has been very unsupportive of the AP. I think that if I went I

would try to argue with him about the AP.

I have better things to do with my time and $35.00.

Hope that it works for you.

[Guest guest]

I met with keystone (as his patient). He is very cautious about being a

proponent of AP. He believe's that E-Coli bacteria MAY be a cause in

juvenile RA.

-Mike-

P.S. Could you send me info on this conference??

rheumatic Re: Joint Effort Conference in Toronto

>From: BHow4322@...

>

>Chrys,

>

>I spoke to the Arthritis Society and got the brochure about the Joint

Effort

>Conference. Most of the sessions were full and they also didn't give me a

lot

>of hope that it would be very useful. One of the key speakers on RA is Dr.

>Keystone, who has been very unsupportive of the AP. I think that if I went

I

>would try to argue with him about the AP.

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>I have better things to do with my time and $35.00.

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>Hope that it works for you.

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