Re: Adjusting to Cortisone

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat,

I think I've already talked to you about this haven't I?? Oh well at the

risk of confirming my brain fog I'll have another go<smile>

If one comes down too quickly off the steroids the body simply cannot cope

and it's possible you will get a flare of your symptoms along with feeling

generally YUK!!!! Again we are all different and react differently.

Your body won't necessarily adjust and you may well have to go up again on

your dose. The bad part about that is that often to get that flare back

under control one needs to go onto a higher dose than the one you just

dropped down<frown>

This is why it is preferable to reduce slowly thus avoiding this possibility

and making the decrease a permanent one.

I changed from Prednisone to Cortisol some time ago and yes, the dosage is

different.

1 mg of Prednisone = 4mg Cortisol

i.e. If you are taking 6mg of Prednisone then you need 24mg of Cortisol. It

should also be spread out during the day as it only has a half life of 8 -

12 hours (biological) unlike Prednisone which is 12 - 36 hours.

Try and get hold of the book " Safe Uses of Cortisol " by McK.

Jefferies, M.D More info at: http://www.med.virginia.edu/~wj2m/

Are you taking any supplements to help with the inflammation, it's well

worth considering if you're not. I now don't need any 'other'

anti-inflammatories since starting with supplements.

Hope this helps :-))

hugs,

lisbeth

rheumatic Adjusting to Cortisone

>From: WBurns7732@...

>

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I would to know if anyone had come down too fast when on any type of

>cortisone. If so what were the side affects, and how long did it take

before

>your body adjusted?

>

>Also did anyone switch from predisone to Cortisol or Cortef. If so did you

>have to go to higher mgs because I heard Cortisol and Cortef is a much

lower

>strengh?

>

>I am on Aristocort 6 mgs but am having all kinds of pain. On Feb.13 I went

>from 8mgs to 6mgs. The first couple of days I was feeling ok, but for the

>last 5 days I am having a lot of pain. I am also taking Celebrex since

Feb.6

>and have been

>on Minosin since Aug. of 1998. I have inflammatory arthritis.

>

>Thanking you in advance,

>Pat B.

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Hi Pat! Geoff Crenshaw here.

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I would to know if anyone had come down too fast when on any type of

> cortisone. If so what were the side affects, and how long did it take before

> your body adjusted?

One doesn't " tough out " reduction of corticosteroids as if it were

simply heroin or cocaine or alcohol, expecting the body to " adjust "

after cessation of the DT's or some such. The cortisone (by whatever

name) causes the adrenal complex to slow or stop all production of

cortisol. Excessively reducing or prematurely stopping the use of

artifical corticosteroids such as Prednisone can result in death.

This is not something to mess with.

Take it slowly, carefully, preferrably under the supervision of a

physician and always, always listen to your body when you are trying to

reduce or stop these meds. They are very dangerous.

--

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geoff@...

" Faith is not believing in spite of the evidence;

it is obeying in spite of the consequence. "

[Guest guest]

, but for the

last 5 days I am having a lot of pain. Pat B.

Pat,

You have described the symptom of coming off prednisone too

fast. Pain , achy ,joint stiffness, " pain down to your bones "

if you can relate to that . Coming off prednisone in the past my

MD had me come off in 1/2 mil. So if you have taken eight for over a month I

would decrease it by 1/2 mil .. a week. When you are comfortable at 5mg. you

should really see you MD to see if it is wise

to taper any more. All this assumes that you have the blessing of your M.D.

to do anything. Blessings Root

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/99 2:23:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

WBurns7732@... writes:

<< I would to know if anyone had come down too fast when on any type of

cortisone. If so what were the side affects, and how long did it take before

your body adjusted? >>

Hi Pat,

I cut back too fast on Prednisone last November/December, and I never

adjusted. I ended up with such a bad flare that I had to go WAY back up on my

dosage, and am cutting back again SSSLLLOOOWWWLLLYYY right now. Take your

time, and don't cut back more until you feel you've leveled off, or you will

regret it, at least I did!

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat! Geoff Crenshaw here.

WBurns7732@... wrote:

>

> Hi Geoff,

>

> I take Aristocort in 4mg tablets and my doctor told me to drop down one pill a

> week. I saved something regarding coming down off cortisone, I think either

> or Ethel wrote it so I will follow that. Do you think I should go back

> to 8mgs, that is where I felt a little bit more comfortable. I guess I just

> want to get off this as soon as possible. I have the moon face and higher

> doses hurt my face.

>

> Thanks again,

> Pat

Pat,

I am one of the most anti-Pred people around but, I also know how

dangerous it can be. I liken it to being blessed with a rattle snake in

the firm grasp of your right hand. You know you want distance between

you and the snake - the question is, 'how do I release the snake without

being bit?' I avoided the painful moon-face so many write of, even

though I was on 80mg+/d. But I did not escape scott-free, having been

blessed with a cataract and other niceties.

I have learned much about this drug but chiefly it goes like this...

You will *feel* what you can tolerate by way of pain. If you are at

10mg/d and feel OK, but drop to 8mg and hurt the question is, can you

tolerate the pain. If it is mild, ride it out and stabilize on 8mg for a

couple of weeks. If it is too painful, or GETS WORSE DAY-BY-DAY, try

alternating 10mg-8mg-10mg-8mg for a week, then 8mg/d. If the blended

every other day routine works, but 8 straight does not, increase the

span, e.g., 10-8-8-10-8-8-10-8-8-10 then try 8 straight again. If the

blended routine does NOT work - try it the other way, ie.,

10-10-8-10-10-8-10-10-8 then try 10-8-10-8-10-8. It really depends on

how badly the adrenals are messed up and other inter-dependencies in the

body that have developed such as how much (hopefully for this exercise

none) salt you ingest, alcohol intake (again none) and other stresses.

This can be a very trying routine.

What you are doing, in effect, is bringing the adrenal gland back to

life if possible, i.e., providing it has not been destroyed. You may

need to pulse your doses this way for some months. It gets worse - much,

much worse, when you get to low doses if the adrenals have been

stressed. My personal experience was of having to alternate doses,

stretch out administration times, etc. I got to a point where I was

taaking doses 12 hrs apart, then 14 hrs, then 16 hrs... it can be quite

aggregious indeed.

Another thing to remember is this - any steroid or corticosteroid drug,

which are hormones - in fact any hormone drug at all - is going to alter

the natural balance of the body. Our bodies react by *REDUCING* the

amount of that same hormone they would naturally make. That is why the

adrenals shut down with Prednisone - we are ingesting so much that the

body not only doesn't produce any at all, it takes steps to ensure none

will be produced. Substituting Prednisone with another hormonal therapy

does the same thing. All you're doing that way is changing the horses

pulling the cart. The cart may go faster or slower but it's still moving

and you're still in it. If you want to get rid of those horses, you'll

have to cut them *ALL* lose one way or another.

Medical convention (AKA: *current* medical *theory*) is that the body

produces about 3mg of cortisol daily, along with ahost of other

hormones. This is of course a very broad brush, but let's assume it's

correct from a theoretical point of view for purposes of argument.

If the body produces 3mg naturally and we add-in 3mg orally or

otherwise, the body is now off-balance with an excess of 3mg (6mg

total). The body's reaction is to stop all production at that stage

since it's balance is achieved at 3mg. If we reduce our artificial

intake to 2mg, the body will then react, if healthy, by producing 1mg,

thus re-establishing the balance of 3mg. We drop to 1, it increases to

2, we drop to 1/2 it ups to 2-1/2, etc.

Your choice, and that which needs to be made by millions of people, is -

do you believe the medical " wisdom de jour " that our bodies are

" confused " and thus we should intelligently " regulate " them with

artificial drugs

-- OR --

Do you believe the body is immensely more complex, and more capable of

proper reactions to invasive sources than modern pharmaceuticals?

If you believe the former, your choice to follow the NSAID - Prednisone

- Plaquenil - Methotrexate - name your choice route is clearly defined.

If you believe the latter, your choice is more difficult as now you will

be trying to increase your body energy, bolster your immune system, aid

without destroying or delaying the naturally occuring recuperative

processes of the body, etc., all without the help of easily accessible,

reasonably priced (I know, I know - just go with it), *widely available*

professional medical care. A tough road at best.

I'm in the latter camp myself, but then I believe in intelligent design

too. There are many in the former camp - all of allopathic medicine

(conventional Western medicine) for example, many if not most of whom

believe in something more haphazard than intelligent design.

HTH

--

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geoff@...

" Faith is not believing in spite of the evidence;

it is obeying in spite of the consequence. "

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My two cents worth :-)))

If one has been on say 10mg of Prenisone for some time, a drop to 8 could

well be too quick. The point (yet again!) is that we all react differently

depending on

our circumstances and I personally had to do that reduction by a half a

milligram at a time.

It's *really* important to not do it too quickly!!!

I think Geoff is just using these figures to illustrate *how* to go about

doing it, I don't think he necessarily meant that anyone on 10mgs should

immediatly drop to 8.....am I right Geoff?

And yes substituting one steroid for another is just changing the horses but

there are those of us who (for whatever reason) cannot come off the steroids

and then I believe that Cortisol is a better option. At least that's been

my

personal experience, I was delighted to lose my cushingoid face:-))

Can I go camping with you Geoff, we're definitely in the same camp and I

don't snore !!!<big grin>

hugs,

lisbeth

>From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...>

>

>Hi Pat! Geoff Crenshaw here.

>

>WBurns7732@... wrote:

>>

>> Hi Geoff,

>>

>> I take Aristocort in 4mg tablets and my doctor told me to drop down one

pill a

>> week. I saved something regarding coming down off cortisone, I think

either

>> or Ethel wrote it so I will follow that. Do you think I should go

back

>> to 8mgs, that is where I felt a little bit more comfortable. I guess I

just

>> want to get off this as soon as possible. I have the moon face and higher

>> doses hurt my face.

>>

>> Thanks again,

>> Pat

>

>Pat,

>

>I am one of the most anti-Pred people around but, I also know how

>dangerous it can be. I liken it to being blessed with a rattle snake in

>the firm grasp of your right hand. You know you want distance between

>you and the snake - the question is, 'how do I release the snake without

>being bit?' I avoided the painful moon-face so many write of, even

>though I was on 80mg+/d. But I did not escape scott-free, having been

>blessed with a cataract and other niceties.

>

>I have learned much about this drug but chiefly it goes like this...

>

>You will *feel* what you can tolerate by way of pain. If you are at

>10mg/d and feel OK, but drop to 8mg and hurt the question is, can you

>tolerate the pain. If it is mild, ride it out and stabilize on 8mg for a

>couple of weeks. If it is too painful, or GETS WORSE DAY-BY-DAY, try

>alternating 10mg-8mg-10mg-8mg for a week, then 8mg/d. If the blended

>every other day routine works, but 8 straight does not, increase the

>span, e.g., 10-8-8-10-8-8-10-8-8-10 then try 8 straight again. If the

>blended routine does NOT work - try it the other way, ie.,

>10-10-8-10-10-8-10-10-8 then try 10-8-10-8-10-8. It really depends on

>how badly the adrenals are messed up and other inter-dependencies in the

>body that have developed such as how much (hopefully for this exercise

>none) salt you ingest, alcohol intake (again none) and other stresses.

>

>This can be a very trying routine.

>

>What you are doing, in effect, is bringing the adrenal gland back to

>life if possible, i.e., providing it has not been destroyed. You may

>need to pulse your doses this way for some months. It gets worse - much,

>much worse, when you get to low doses if the adrenals have been

>stressed. My personal experience was of having to alternate doses,

>stretch out administration times, etc. I got to a point where I was

>taaking doses 12 hrs apart, then 14 hrs, then 16 hrs... it can be quite

>aggregious indeed.

>

>Another thing to remember is this - any steroid or corticosteroid drug,

>which are hormones - in fact any hormone drug at all - is going to alter

>the natural balance of the body. Our bodies react by *REDUCING* the

>amount of that same hormone they would naturally make. That is why the

>adrenals shut down with Prednisone - we are ingesting so much that the

>body not only doesn't produce any at all, it takes steps to ensure none

>will be produced. Substituting Prednisone with another hormonal therapy

>does the same thing. All you're doing that way is changing the horses

>pulling the cart. The cart may go faster or slower but it's still moving

>and you're still in it. If you want to get rid of those horses, you'll

>have to cut them *ALL* lose one way or another.

>

>Medical convention (AKA: *current* medical *theory*) is that the body

>produces about 3mg of cortisol daily, along with ahost of other

>hormones. This is of course a very broad brush, but let's assume it's

>correct from a theoretical point of view for purposes of argument.

>

>If the body produces 3mg naturally and we add-in 3mg orally or

>otherwise, the body is now off-balance with an excess of 3mg (6mg

>total). The body's reaction is to stop all production at that stage

>since it's balance is achieved at 3mg. If we reduce our artificial

>intake to 2mg, the body will then react, if healthy, by producing 1mg,

>thus re-establishing the balance of 3mg. We drop to 1, it increases to

>2, we drop to 1/2 it ups to 2-1/2, etc.

>

>Your choice, and that which needs to be made by millions of people, is -

>do you believe the medical " wisdom de jour " that our bodies are

> " confused " and thus we should intelligently " regulate " them with

>artificial drugs

>-- OR --

>Do you believe the body is immensely more complex, and more capable of

>proper reactions to invasive sources than modern pharmaceuticals?

>

>If you believe the former, your choice to follow the NSAID - Prednisone

>- Plaquenil - Methotrexate - name your choice route is clearly defined.

>

>If you believe the latter, your choice is more difficult as now you will

>be trying to increase your body energy, bolster your immune system, aid

>without destroying or delaying the naturally occuring recuperative

>processes of the body, etc., all without the help of easily accessible,

>reasonably priced (I know, I know - just go with it), *widely available*

>professional medical care. A tough road at best.

>

>I'm in the latter camp myself, but then I believe in intelligent design

>too. There are many in the former camp - all of allopathic medicine

>(conventional Western medicine) for example, many if not most of whom

>believe in something more haphazard than intelligent design.

>

>HTH

>--

>Regards,

>

>Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------

>Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers **

>Captain Cook's Cruise Center ----------------------

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>

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[Guest guest]

Geoff & Pat

Im one of the stories you will never hear about while hanging around the

scrub in quarters .

For over 2 years , I would blow up in , pick a joint any joint ,

The pain was indescribable and I remember setting the record at

the local hospital for fluid pulled off a knee (that was non-septic)

at just under 200 cc's . When that fluid was removed from my knee

I felt like 500lbs per sq inch had been removed .

Now I have had over 250 injections of all types of cortisone

at one time I had my bottle and syringe of ATCH a

jet among prop planes in the cortisone world . One shot and

I was good for 2 weeks but I do not know if my adrenal gland

is alive ,well , or even functioning . I now take 5mgs

and it was not a trip to the Bahamas lowering my intake.

The results of a body ravaged from prednisone are many

but the ruptured Achilles and the wasted knees have to

be the worst at present . Who knows what is around the corner

Im sure that hips will come to play, and my back which already has

9 surgeries to its credit will rear its ugly bundle of nerves and bone

at some stage . People would be better of with anything rather than

steroids . They ravage the soft-tendon-and bone tissue of the

entire body. But there are few alternatives . 15 years ago

prednisone was handed out like popcorn and like you put it,

it was a snake in disguise.

Root

[Guest guest]

Dear Lisbeth,

I know that I read that the body makes 7 mg of cortisol. Is your info

newer than mine?

Sincerely

rheumatic Re: Adjusting to Cortisone

>From: " Lisbeth " <lisbeth@...>

>

>Hi,

>

>My two cents worth :-)))

>

>If one has been on say 10mg of Prenisone for some time, a drop to 8 could

>well be too quick. The point (yet again!) is that we all react differently

>depending on

>our circumstances and I personally had to do that reduction by a half a

>milligram at a time.

>

>It's *really* important to not do it too quickly!!!

>

>I think Geoff is just using these figures to illustrate *how* to go about

>doing it, I don't think he necessarily meant that anyone on 10mgs should

>immediatly drop to 8.....am I right Geoff?

>

>And yes substituting one steroid for another is just changing the horses

but

>there are those of us who (for whatever reason) cannot come off the

steroids

>and then I believe that Cortisol is a better option. At least that's been

>my

>personal experience, I was delighted to lose my cushingoid face:-))

>

>Can I go camping with you Geoff, we're definitely in the same camp and I

>don't snore !!!<big grin>

>

>hugs,

>lisbeth

>

>

>>From: Geoff Crenshaw <geoff@...>

>>

>>Hi Pat! Geoff Crenshaw here.

>>

>>WBurns7732@... wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi Geoff,

>>>

>>> I take Aristocort in 4mg tablets and my doctor told me to drop down one

>pill a

>>> week. I saved something regarding coming down off cortisone, I think

>either

>>> or Ethel wrote it so I will follow that. Do you think I should go

>back

>>> to 8mgs, that is where I felt a little bit more comfortable. I guess I

>just

>>> want to get off this as soon as possible. I have the moon face and

higher

>>> doses hurt my face.

>>>

>>> Thanks again,

>>> Pat

>>

>>Pat,

>>

>>I am one of the most anti-Pred people around but, I also know how

>>dangerous it can be. I liken it to being blessed with a rattle snake in

>>the firm grasp of your right hand. You know you want distance between

>>you and the snake - the question is, 'how do I release the snake without

>>being bit?' I avoided the painful moon-face so many write of, even

>>though I was on 80mg+/d. But I did not escape scott-free, having been

>>blessed with a cataract and other niceties.

>>

>>I have learned much about this drug but chiefly it goes like this...

>>

>>You will *feel* what you can tolerate by way of pain. If you are at

>>10mg/d and feel OK, but drop to 8mg and hurt the question is, can you

>>tolerate the pain. If it is mild, ride it out and stabilize on 8mg for a

>>couple of weeks. If it is too painful, or GETS WORSE DAY-BY-DAY, try

>>alternating 10mg-8mg-10mg-8mg for a week, then 8mg/d. If the blended

>>every other day routine works, but 8 straight does not, increase the

>>span, e.g., 10-8-8-10-8-8-10-8-8-10 then try 8 straight again. If the

>>blended routine does NOT work - try it the other way, ie.,

>>10-10-8-10-10-8-10-10-8 then try 10-8-10-8-10-8. It really depends on

>>how badly the adrenals are messed up and other inter-dependencies in the

>>body that have developed such as how much (hopefully for this exercise

>>none) salt you ingest, alcohol intake (again none) and other stresses.

>>

>>This can be a very trying routine.

>>

>>What you are doing, in effect, is bringing the adrenal gland back to

>>life if possible, i.e., providing it has not been destroyed. You may

>>need to pulse your doses this way for some months. It gets worse - much,

>>much worse, when you get to low doses if the adrenals have been

>>stressed. My personal experience was of having to alternate doses,

>>stretch out administration times, etc. I got to a point where I was

>>taaking doses 12 hrs apart, then 14 hrs, then 16 hrs... it can be quite

>>aggregious indeed.

>>

>>Another thing to remember is this - any steroid or corticosteroid drug,

>>which are hormones - in fact any hormone drug at all - is going to alter

>>the natural balance of the body. Our bodies react by *REDUCING* the

>>amount of that same hormone they would naturally make. That is why the

>>adrenals shut down with Prednisone - we are ingesting so much that the

>>body not only doesn't produce any at all, it takes steps to ensure none

>>will be produced. Substituting Prednisone with another hormonal therapy

>>does the same thing. All you're doing that way is changing the horses

>>pulling the cart. The cart may go faster or slower but it's still moving

>>and you're still in it. If you want to get rid of those horses, you'll

>>have to cut them *ALL* lose one way or another.

>>

>>Medical convention (AKA: *current* medical *theory*) is that the body

>>produces about 3mg of cortisol daily, along with ahost of other

>>hormones. This is of course a very broad brush, but let's assume it's

>>correct from a theoretical point of view for purposes of argument.

>>

>>If the body produces 3mg naturally and we add-in 3mg orally or

>>otherwise, the body is now off-balance with an excess of 3mg (6mg

>>total). The body's reaction is to stop all production at that stage

>>since it's balance is achieved at 3mg. If we reduce our artificial

>>intake to 2mg, the body will then react, if healthy, by producing 1mg,

>>thus re-establishing the balance of 3mg. We drop to 1, it increases to

>>2, we drop to 1/2 it ups to 2-1/2, etc.

>>

>>Your choice, and that which needs to be made by millions of people, is -

>>do you believe the medical " wisdom de jour " that our bodies are

>> " confused " and thus we should intelligently " regulate " them with

>>artificial drugs

>>-- OR --

>>Do you believe the body is immensely more complex, and more capable of

>>proper reactions to invasive sources than modern pharmaceuticals?

>>

>>If you believe the former, your choice to follow the NSAID - Prednisone

>>- Plaquenil - Methotrexate - name your choice route is clearly defined.

>>

>>If you believe the latter, your choice is more difficult as now you will

>>be trying to increase your body energy, bolster your immune system, aid

>>without destroying or delaying the naturally occuring recuperative

>>processes of the body, etc., all without the help of easily accessible,

>>reasonably priced (I know, I know - just go with it), *widely available*

>>professional medical care. A tough road at best.

>>

>>I'm in the latter camp myself, but then I believe in intelligent design

>>too. There are many in the former camp - all of allopathic medicine

>>(conventional Western medicine) for example, many if not most of whom

>>believe in something more haphazard than intelligent design.

>>

>>HTH

>>--

>>Regards,

>>

>>Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------

>>Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers **

>>Captain Cook's Cruise Center ----------------------

>>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites

>>http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites

>>. > Top Web Sites for

>>Cruise tips New Zealanders

>>http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips]

>>

>>USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX:559-734-1420

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>>geoff@...

>>

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>> it is obeying in spite of the consequence. "

>>

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Hi Mr and Mrs Harry.............I do love that address <big smile>

I've found that depending on what country you are in the figure for the

amount of

Cortisol the body produces varies and from what I've been reading in the

group lately it seems to be the same for the 'normal' rating for ESR......Go

figure????!!!

Almost seems like it's one of those fad things where it changes with the

weather, like tonsils, one minute it's a good idea to have them out the next

it's not!

I don't think there's any magical figure which if you go above you are then

in danger of some dire side effects. We're back to that old we all respond

differently I guess and listening to your body still works well for me. I

can tell when my does is too high, I get really agitated and not very nice

to live with.

BUT, I'm a perfect angel for the rest of the time you realise <grin>

hugs,

lisbeth

rheumatic Re: Adjusting to Cortisone

>From: " Mr and Mrs Harry " <elizabeth@...>

>

>Dear Lisbeth,

> I know that I read that the body makes 7 mg of cortisol. Is your info

>newer than mine?

>Sincerely

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Newzie!

> If one has been on say 10mg of Prenisone for some time, a drop to 8 could

> well be too quick. The point (yet again!) is that we all react differently

> depending on

> our circumstances and I personally had to do that reduction by a half a

> milligram at a time.

>

> It's *really* important to not do it too quickly!!!

>

> I think Geoff is just using these figures to illustrate *how* to go about

> doing it, I don't think he necessarily meant that anyone on 10mgs should

> immediatly drop to 8.....am I right Geoff?

Absoloutely! My point exactly - listen to your body. Pain is something

you can learn to tolerate *too* well. If the pain lessens - fine. But if

it stays or worsens - change the routine.

> And yes substituting one steroid for another is just changing the horses but

> there are those of us who (for whatever reason) cannot come off the steroids

> and then I believe that Cortisol is a better option. At least that's been

> my

> personal experience, I was delighted to lose my cushingoid face:-))

>

> Can I go camping with you Geoff, we're definitely in the same camp and I

> don't snore !!!<big grin>

Anytime, Newzie, anytime.

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[Guest guest]

Mr and Mrs Harry wrote:

>

> Dear Lisbeth,

> I know that I read that the body makes 7 mg of cortisol. Is your info

> newer than mine?

> Sincerely

>

,

Every body is different. Mine will produce differing amounts of various

hormones than yours which is why you will normally see tests showing a

normal 'range'. I don't have any formal info on the average production

for a 200lb male of 40, nor a 140lb female of 72. Just a do'c statement

that *my* body would range normal around 3mg. (M/45/195)

HTH

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