Re: Prions causing Chronic Fatigue

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Nothing like PRIONS to clear a room! I was really bummed to se this....but people do recover so there  must be some God given treatments for these things. So tell us mre about Lime oil and Prions.....

As you know I do a lot of googling. I have been seeing reports pointing the finger to the dreaded prions. Prions are what causes Mad Cow Disease. Anyhow, it appears we are full of them and the load is what makes us ill. Here is a good report about this. It appears prions are somehow in the mix of making us ill and are likely the most difficult to test for since they are smaller than viruses. Here they are talking about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which some believe is really caused by the same pathagens as autism, Bipolar, Lyme Disease, etc. Lime from the fruit has effects against prions. Read this for some interesting information on what infections are out there making us ill.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Medical Mystery ME/CFS solved

To day May 28th at 11 A.M., the members of the press are invited at a

press

conference, which will be held at the Ritz Hotel in London.

Belgian scientists (Brussels) have identified causes and mechanisms of

the

medical mystery Myalgic Encephalomyelits (ME)/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

(CFS).

In light of the nature of the discoveries and its consequences for public

health, the scientists who will be present at this press conference felt

obliged to inform the public prior to publication of the results in a

medical journal.

Professor Kenny de Meirleir MD, PhD,

(Professor at the Vrije Universiteit Brussels and Director HIMMUNITAS

Foundation Brussels)

.........would send me his speech for this press conference, named:

ME: End of an Era of Medical Negation

But there were some changes in the last days and they will use slides

now; instead of the address, I'm allowed to post now an `uncorrected´

abstract of the study:

*Research on extremely disabled ME patients reveals the true nature of the

disorder*

He will also speak about this subject at the 4th Invest in ME

International ME/CFS Conference in London on 29th May.

If I remember well, the ME/CFS urine test, of which is spoken below, will

come on the market as a " do it yourself test " .

So you know in a few minutes, if you are an ME/CFS patient or not.

Jan van Roijen

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Kenny De Meirleir(1), Roelant(2), Marc Fremont(2),

Metzger(2), Henry Butt(3)

Research on extremely disabled M.E. patients reveals the true nature of

the disorder

(1) Vrije Universiteit Brussel & HIMMUNITAS foundation, Brussels, Belgium

(2) Protea Biopharma, Brussels, Belgium

(3) Bioscreen & Bio 21, University of Melbourne,Melbourne , Australia

In this study we compared totally bedridden patients (Karnofski score

20-30) with less ill ME patients (Karnofski score 60-70), family controls,

contact

controls and non-contact controls.

EBV, HHV6 and Borna virus titers were not different in the three groups.

Plasma LPS distinguished the groups, with the highest values in the

bedridden patients.

LPS is a strong activator of the immune system and high plasma

concentrations suggest a hyperper- meable gut. There are many possible causes for

this, but a lack of `local´ energy production is one of them.

In a separate study (In Vivo, in press) we observed intestinal overgrowth

of Gram positive D/L lactate producing bacteria which are also known to

produce H2S in presence of certain heavy metals as a survival defence

mechanism.

We therefore hypothesized that the urine of the bedridden ME patients

would contain more H2S derived metabolites than the less ill and the controls.

Using a proprietary simple color change urine test this hypothesis was

confirmed.

In the extremely ill, urine added to the yellow color reagent immediately

turns dark blue, whereas in the less ill the reaction is slower and in the

controls no reaction occurs.

Being a potent neurotoxin, H2S induces photophobia, intolerance to noise,

mitochondrial dysfunction by inhibition of cytochrome oxidase and depresses

the cellular immune system and induces neutropenia and low numbers of CD8+

lymphocytes.

Its effects, at least in part explain the clinical condition of the

severely disabled ME patients.

Furthermore the effects of the bacterial H2S induces increased ROS

production by the liver and retaining of heavy metals particularly mercury in the

body.

The latter is also neurotoxic, induces apoptosis and interferes with the

aerobic metabolism. Chronic increased production of H2S by intestinal

bacteria leads to build-up of mercury in the body as proven by a Zn DTPA/DMPS

challenge test.

Finally in 20% of the ME patients (in the severely ill) we found using a

special luminescence technique aberrant prions which also interfere with the

energy metabolism.

These patients have gone on to develop A.P.D. (aberrant prion disease -

patent pending). These aberrant prions give rise to a transmissible disorder.

10% of the A.P.D. patients have very high prion counts in their saliva and

can directly transmit it to others.

APD patients can transmit these proteins via blood and likely also through

sexual contact which then can give rise to slowly developing aberrant

prion disease.

In a separate experiment 40 healthy blood donors were screened for A.P.D.

One individual tested very positive, indicating that apparently healthy

individuals can already be carriers and that blood transfusion carries

the risk of transmitting A.P.D.

In conclusion, ME is a disorder which is caused by increased endogenous

H2S production. For the latter many factors can be present.

Because of the effects of H2S in the body a chain of events will develop

which have more and more negative effects on the aerobic metabolism and

depression of the immune system leading to more and more infections and

reactivation of endogenous viruses.

In its final stage aberrant transmissible prions develop which put the

patients in a total energy depleted state.

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Having parksinson like tremors and crazy creepy feelings in my spine and

muscles.. yes you are freaking me out. Please more!! I found the lime oil.. NOW

brand at iherb. It says for aromatherapy.. how do you ingest?

I also found this which is making me think with all the lemon and lime talk that

blended smoothies may be an important adjunct:

http://members.ift.org/IFT/Pubs/Newsletters/weekly/nl_021308.htm

(problem would be problems with phenols?)

Fruit consumption may reduce Alzheimer's risk

Apples, bananas, and oranges are the most common fruits in both Western and

Asian diets, and are important sources of vitamins, minerals, and fiber. A new

study in the Journal of Food Science explores the additional health benefits of

these fruits and reveals they also protect against neurodegenerative diseases,

including Alzheimer's Disease.

Researchers at Cornell University investigated the effects of apple, banana, and

orange extracts on neuron cells and found that the phenolic phytochemicals of

the fruits prevented neurotoxicity on the cells.

Among the three fruits, apples contained the highest content of protective

antioxidants, followed by bananas then oranges.

The authors concluded " [their] study demonstrated that antioxidants in the major

fresh fruits consumed in the United States and Korea protected neuronal cells

from oxidative stress….Additional consumption of fresh fruits such as apple,

banana, and orange may be beneficial to improve effects in neurodegenerative

diseases such as Alzheimer's. "

To view the abstract for this article, see Journal of Food Science

This study was also picked up by several media outlets:

Fruit may reduce Alzheimer's risk - United Press International

Apples, Oranges May Fight Alzheimer's - NBC6.net, FL - Jan 31, 2008

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> >

> > As you know I do a lot of googling. I have been seeing reports pointing the

> > finger to the dreaded prions. Prions are what causes Mad Cow Disease.

> > Anyhow, it appears we are full of them and the load is what makes us ill.

> > Here is a good report about this. It appears prions are somehow in the mix

> > of making us ill and are likely the most difficult to test for since they

> > are smaller than viruses. Here they are talking about Chronic Fatigue

> > Syndrome which some believe is really caused by the same pathagens as

> > autism, Bipolar, Lyme Disease, etc. Lime from the fruit has effects against

> > prions. Read this for some interesting information on what infections are

> > out there making us ill.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> > Medical Mystery ME/CFS solved

> >

> > To day May 28th at 11 A.M., the members of the press are invited at a

> > press

> > conference, which will be held at the Ritz Hotel in London.

> >

> > Belgian scientists (Brussels) have identified causes and mechanisms of

> > the

> > medical mystery Myalgic Encephalomyelits (ME)/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

> > (CFS).

> >

> > In light of the nature of the discoveries and its consequences for public

> > health, the scientists who will be present at this press conference felt

> > obliged to inform the public prior to publication of the results in a

> > medical journal.

> >

> > Professor Kenny de Meirleir MD, PhD,

> > (Professor at the Vrije Universiteit Brussels and Director HIMMUNITAS

> > Foundation Brussels)

> >

> > ........would send me his speech for this press conference, named:

> >

> > ME: End of an Era of Medical Negation

> >

> > But there were some changes in the last days and they will use slides

> > now; instead of the address, I'm allowed to post now an `uncorrected´

> > abstract of the study:

> >

> > *Research on extremely disabled ME patients reveals the true nature of the

> > disorder*

> >

> > He will also speak about this subject at the 4th Invest in ME

> > International ME/CFS Conference in London on 29th May.

> >

> > If I remember well, the ME/CFS urine test, of which is spoken below, will

> > come on the market as a " do it yourself test " .

> >

> > So you know in a few minutes, if you are an ME/CFS patient or not.

> >

> > Jan van Roijen

> >

> > ````````

> >

> > Kenny De Meirleir(1), Roelant(2), Marc Fremont(2),

> > Metzger(2), Henry Butt(3)

> >

> > Research on extremely disabled M.E. patients reveals the true nature of

> > the disorder

> >

> > (1) Vrije Universiteit Brussel & HIMMUNITAS foundation, Brussels, Belgium

> > (2) Protea Biopharma, Brussels, Belgium

> > (3) Bioscreen & Bio 21, University of Melbourne,Melbourne , Australia

> >

> > In this study we compared totally bedridden patients (Karnofski score

> > 20-30) with less ill ME patients (Karnofski score 60-70), family controls,

> > contact

> > controls and non-contact controls.

> >

> > EBV, HHV6 and Borna virus titers were not different in the three groups.

> > Plasma LPS distinguished the groups, with the highest values in the

> > bedridden patients.

> >

> > LPS is a strong activator of the immune system and high plasma

> > concentrations suggest a hyperper- meable gut. There are many possible

> > causes for

> > this, but a lack of `local´ energy production is one of them.

> >

> > In a separate study (In Vivo, in press) we observed intestinal overgrowth

> > of Gram positive D/L lactate producing bacteria which are also known to

> > produce H2S in presence of certain heavy metals as a survival defence

> > mechanism.

> >

> > We therefore hypothesized that the urine of the bedridden ME patients

> > would contain more H2S derived metabolites than the less ill and the

> > controls.

> > Using a proprietary simple color change urine test this hypothesis was

> > confirmed.

> >

> > In the extremely ill, urine added to the yellow color reagent immediately

> > turns dark blue, whereas in the less ill the reaction is slower and in the

> > controls no reaction occurs.

> >

> > Being a potent neurotoxin, H2S induces photophobia, intolerance to noise,

> > mitochondrial dysfunction by inhibition of cytochrome oxidase and depresses

> >

> > the cellular immune system and induces neutropenia and low numbers of CD8+

> > lymphocytes.

> >

> > Its effects, at least in part explain the clinical condition of the

> > severely disabled ME patients.

> >

> > Furthermore the effects of the bacterial H2S induces increased ROS

> > production by the liver and retaining of heavy metals particularly mercury

> > in the

> > body.

> >

> > The latter is also neurotoxic, induces apoptosis and interferes with the

> > aerobic metabolism. Chronic increased production of H2S by intestinal

> > bacteria leads to build-up of mercury in the body as proven by a Zn

> > DTPA/DMPS

> > challenge test.

> >

> > Finally in 20% of the ME patients (in the severely ill) we found using a

> > special luminescence technique aberrant prions which also interfere with

> > the

> > energy metabolism.

> >

> > These patients have gone on to develop A.P.D. (aberrant prion disease -

> > patent pending). These aberrant prions give rise to a transmissible

> > disorder.

> > 10% of the A.P.D. patients have very high prion counts in their saliva and

> > can directly transmit it to others.

> >

> > APD patients can transmit these proteins via blood and likely also through

> > sexual contact which then can give rise to slowly developing aberrant

> > prion disease.

> >

> > In a separate experiment 40 healthy blood donors were screened for A.P.D.

> > One individual tested very positive, indicating that apparently healthy

> > individuals can already be carriers and that blood transfusion carries

> > the risk of transmitting A.P.D.

> >

> > In conclusion, ME is a disorder which is caused by increased endogenous

> > H2S production. For the latter many factors can be present.

> >

> > Because of the effects of H2S in the body a chain of events will develop

> > which have more and more negative effects on the aerobic metabolism and

> > depression of the immune system leading to more and more infections and

> > reactivation of endogenous viruses.

> >

> > In its final stage aberrant transmissible prions develop which put the

> > patients in a total energy depleted state.

> >

> > ~~~~~~

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~

> > Send an Email for free membership

> > ~:~:~:~:~:~: ~:~:~:~:~ :~:~:~:~: ~:

> > >>>>> Help ME Circle <<<<

> > >>>> 28 May 2009 <<<<

> > Editorship : j.van.roijen@ chello.nl

> > mail scanned by Comodo I. Security

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have taken 6 pills a day of blue-green algae (Spirulina) and not much

difference. I have taken 6 pills of Modfilan a day for a good 6 months, and do

feel better, but nothing like the lime oil did. Modifilan is expensive. If I

knew taking a hundred pills a day for a short time would work, then I could do

that, but taking 6 pills a day forever only helps. It is interesting to note

that Modifilan also has effects against Brucella. If there is an affordable way

to use these in high doses, than it would be interesting to try.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> >

> > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it is effective

> > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some Œwhole¹ algae like

> > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from VRP or AOR

there

> > are few other brands.

> >

> > natasa x

> >

>

[Guest guest]

maybe trying fucoidan itself? not that expensive compared to m etc

the only downside is the iodine/iodine content, may be too large to take

lots of caps. but then again the same would be true for whole algae

sups??

natasa

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> > >

> > > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it is

effective

> > > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some

Œwhole¹ algae like

> > > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from VRP

or AOR there

> > > are few other brands.

> > >

> > > natasa x

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yasko recommends taking Iodoral, a Iodine supplement to help excreting

mercury. Iodine, Zinc, Sulfur, Selenium, and Silica stimulate the excretion

of heavy metals. Iodine is at the top of the list when it comes to mercury

removal. Mercury and Iodine compete at the binding site. Mercury binds to

the iodine-receptor in the cells of the small intestines, and cause the

cells to fail in producing the specific carbohydrate digestion enzymes

(maltase, lactase, sucrase). In order to free mercury from its binding

site, one has to take high enough levels of Iodine.

Limin

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Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 06:04

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Prions causing Chronic

Fatigue

> maybe trying fucoidan itself? not that expensive compared to m etc

>

> the only downside is the iodine/iodine content, may be too large to take

> lots of caps. but then again the same would be true for whole algae

> sups??

>

> natasa

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>> > > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it is

> effective

>> > > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some

> Owhole¹ algae like

>> > > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from VRP

> or AOR there

>> > > are few other brands.

>> > >

>> > > natasa x

>> > >

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[Guest guest]

how much is enough?

natasa x

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it

is

> > effective

> >> > > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some

> > Owhole¹ algae like

> >> > > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from

VRP

> > or AOR there

> >> > > are few other brands.

> >> > >

> >> > > natasa x

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

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[Guest guest]

Did you already find a cheap source of Fucoidan? I did some googling and found

it to be expensive. I am fine with using Modifilan, just can't afford to use

more than what I am already using. I may not have to; there are other options

that look promising in ridding these pathogens. But, it's good to learn of all

available options.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> >> > >

> >> > > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it is

> > effective

> >> > > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some

> > Owhole¹ algae like

> >> > > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from VRP

> > or AOR there

> >> > > are few other brands.

> >> > >

> >> > > natasa x

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

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[Guest guest]

Yasko recommends taking one tablet of Iodoral daily, which contains 5 mg of

Iodine and 7.5 mg of Potassium Iodide, to help pushing out mercury. She

also warns to monitor Lithium levels, as Iodine and Lithium compete in

absorption.

Limin

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Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 08:31

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Prions causing Chronic

Fatigue

> how much is enough?

>

> natasa x

>

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>> >> >

>> >> > >

>> >> > > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it

> is

>> > effective

>> >> > > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some

>> > Owhole¹ algae like

>> >> > > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from

> VRP

>> > or AOR there

>> >> > > are few other brands.

>> >> > >

>> >> > > natasa x

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

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[Guest guest]

yes... Any seaweed, kelp fuciodan etc would have MUCH higher levels than that. Per capsule.

natasa

Yasko recommends taking one tablet of Iodoral daily, which contains 5 mg of

Iodine and 7.5 mg of Potassium Iodide, to help pushing out mercury. She

also warns to monitor Lithium levels, as Iodine and Lithium compete in

absorption.

Limin

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From: " natasa778 " <neno@... <mailto:neno%40dalmaholidays.co.uk> >

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 08:31

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism <mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism%40yahoogroups.com> >

Subject: Re: Prions causing Chronic

Fatigue

> how much is enough?

>

> natasa x

>

>

>> >> >

>> >> > >

>> >> > > I have been reading up on Fucoidan, from blue-green algae, it

> is

>> > effective

>> >> > > at inhibiting prions in lab culture. Worth trying. Some

>> > Owhole’ algae like

>> >> > > Modifilan have lots of it, or you can get extract itself from

> VRP

>> > or AOR there

>> >> > > are few other brands.

>> >> > >

>> >> > > natasa x

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

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