Re: Brainchild mega minerals and need for zinc

[Guest guest]

Terri: I am finding almost all kids who are chelating with the TD-DMPS

(continuous chelation) who are using any kind of multiples coming up low and

sometimes very low on the RBC elements for both zinc and selenium. I think

these kids need pure zinc supplementation in addition to what anyone could

provide in a multiple without it being too much for the kids not chelating.

I give one or even two VRP's zinc monomethionine to the kids in addition to

their multiples, and usually use Pic-Mins two daily to get the other

nutrients in. If there is calcium in the mix, I wonder if it is interfering

with zinc absorption? It has been amazing to me how much zinc these kids

need, and believe it is one of the main reasons kids are having bad side

effects to chelation. Dr. JM

Re: Brainchild mega minerals

> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Yes, I'm almost certain the mega mins are part of your loose stool

> > situation. The large amounts of magnesium in them can definitely

affect

> > this. I found that I had to give them to my son in several smaller

doses

> > rather than all at once, and that I had to work up to the full dose

> > slowly,

> > to avoid this. All those minerals are great to get in, but you may

> > have to

> > go a bit slower. Try reducing your dosage of the megamins to half,

and do

> > be sure to split them into 3 doses a day if at all possible. Then

work up

> > slowly, staying at the same dose until stools firm up, then increasing

a

> > bit, to see what he can tolerate. If stools get loose, cut the dose

back

> > a bit and wait until they firm up again.

> >

> > Feel free to keep in touch,

> >

> > Terri at Brainchild

> >

> > At 02:04 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

> > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for my 8 year old son

> > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose bowels and this is

the

> > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of months - could this

> > be a

> > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had experienced

> > anything

> > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the problem - although it

> > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test results will be

> > back soon!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Does magnesium interfere with the absorption of zinc and the other minerals

in Pic-Mins? I'm wondering if it's Ok to give some magnesium malate (or

citrate) at the same time as the Pic-Mins.

At 10:59 AM 4/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Terri: I am finding almost all kids who are chelating with the TD-DMPS

>(continuous chelation) who are using any kind of multiples coming up low and

>sometimes very low on the RBC elements for both zinc and selenium. I think

>these kids need pure zinc supplementation in addition to what anyone could

>provide in a multiple without it being too much for the kids not chelating.

>I give one or even two VRP's zinc monomethionine to the kids in addition to

>their multiples, and usually use Pic-Mins two daily to get the other

>nutrients in. If there is calcium in the mix, I wonder if it is interfering

>with zinc absorption? It has been amazing to me how much zinc these kids

>need, and believe it is one of the main reasons kids are having bad side

>effects to chelation. Dr. JM

> Re: Brainchild mega minerals

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Yes, I'm almost certain the mega mins are part of your loose stool

> > > situation. The large amounts of magnesium in them can definitely

>affect

> > > this. I found that I had to give them to my son in several smaller

>doses

> > > rather than all at once, and that I had to work up to the full dose

> > > slowly,

> > > to avoid this. All those minerals are great to get in, but you may

> > > have to

> > > go a bit slower. Try reducing your dosage of the megamins to half,

>and do

> > > be sure to split them into 3 doses a day if at all possible. Then

>work up

> > > slowly, staying at the same dose until stools firm up, then increasing

>a

> > > bit, to see what he can tolerate. If stools get loose, cut the dose

>back

> > > a bit and wait until they firm up again.

> > >

> > > Feel free to keep in touch,

> > >

> > > Terri at Brainchild

> > >

> > > At 02:04 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

> > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for my 8 year old son

> > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose bowels and this is

>the

> > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of months - could this

> > > be a

> > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had experienced

> > > anything

> > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the problem - although it

> > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test results will be

> > > back soon!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

The only interference I know of is that zinc and calcium can combine in some

way negating either of them being available for other metabolic needs. Dr.

JM

Re: Brainchild mega minerals

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I'm almost certain the mega mins are part of your loose stool

> > > > situation. The large amounts of magnesium in them can definitely

> >affect

> > > > this. I found that I had to give them to my son in several

smaller

> >doses

> > > > rather than all at once, and that I had to work up to the full

dose

> > > > slowly,

> > > > to avoid this. All those minerals are great to get in, but you

may

> > > > have to

> > > > go a bit slower. Try reducing your dosage of the megamins to

half,

> >and do

> > > > be sure to split them into 3 doses a day if at all possible. Then

> >work up

> > > > slowly, staying at the same dose until stools firm up, then

increasing

> >a

> > > > bit, to see what he can tolerate. If stools get loose, cut the

dose

> >back

> > > > a bit and wait until they firm up again.

> > > >

> > > > Feel free to keep in touch,

> > > >

> > > > Terri at Brainchild

> > > >

> > > > At 02:04 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

> > > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for my 8 year old

son

> > > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose bowels and this

is

> >the

> > > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of months - could

this

> > > > be a

> > > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had experienced

> > > > anything

> > > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the problem -

although it

> > > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test results will

be

> > > > back soon!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

This is a big concern of mine, although Brett's last minerals test came out

fine. When using TD-DMPS, we can only give minerals on half of the days, and

when you take out 9-10 hours for sleep and 8 hours when he is at school, there

are VERY limited opportunities for giving seperate minerals!

I've been using the Brainchild minerals on " off " days, which has both calcium

and zinc, and then supplementing zinc by itself on the " off " nights at

bedtime by itself. (Well, actually with caprylic acid and folinic acid, since

they

can be given at the same time.) I'll be watching his zinc levels closely to

see if they stay up OK; we had another RBC minerals drawn last week, so I

should have the results soon.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Sue Swanson

Defeat Autism NOW: www.generationrescue.org

[Guest guest]

Jacquelyn,

I agree about the kids generally needing extra zinc on TD-DMPS. Brainchild

makes a separate zinc product for precisely this purpose, which many of our

clients doing chelation use in addition to the mega mins. There's a lot

that can interfere with zinc and that most of the kids need a LOT of

it. We suggest that this zinc be given away from other minerals, pref on

empty stomach but with a bit of food if nausea occurs. There's really not

that much calcium in our mineral formulas. After an initial very low RBC

minerals, I found that it took twice the daily dose for my son's body

weight of the mega minerals plus 2/3 oz of the LiquiZinc, on each " off "

day, to get his mineral levels up (he's 150 lbs!). Our last one, after 8

months of TD-DMPS, showed zinc up to 80% pctile or so. Interestingly,

calcium was a little low, at 25% or so. So this is a pretty good test case

-- I gave my guy his megamins and zinc together, so in our case, at least,

the calcium in the mix obviously did not interfere with zinc very much. My

guy eats dairy, so I don't give extra calcium separately, although we do

suggest that all of our clients on cf diets do so.

Terri

At 10:59 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

>Terri: I am finding almost all kids who are chelating with the TD-DMPS

>(continuous chelation) who are using any kind of multiples coming up low and

>sometimes very low on the RBC elements for both zinc and selenium. I think

>these kids need pure zinc supplementation in addition to what anyone could

>provide in a multiple without it being too much for the kids not chelating.

>I give one or even two VRP's zinc monomethionine to the kids in addition to

>their multiples, and usually use Pic-Mins two daily to get the other

>nutrients in. If there is calcium in the mix, I wonder if it is interfering

>with zinc absorption? It has been amazing to me how much zinc these kids

>need, and believe it is one of the main reasons kids are having bad side

>effects to chelation. Dr. JM

> Re: Brainchild mega minerals

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Yes, I'm almost certain the mega mins are part of your loose stool

> > > situation. The large amounts of magnesium in them can definitely

>affect

> > > this. I found that I had to give them to my son in several smaller

>doses

> > > rather than all at once, and that I had to work up to the full dose

> > > slowly,

> > > to avoid this. All those minerals are great to get in, but you may

> > > have to

> > > go a bit slower. Try reducing your dosage of the megamins to half,

>and do

> > > be sure to split them into 3 doses a day if at all possible. Then

>work up

> > > slowly, staying at the same dose until stools firm up, then increasing

>a

> > > bit, to see what he can tolerate. If stools get loose, cut the dose

>back

> > > a bit and wait until they firm up again.

> > >

> > > Feel free to keep in touch,

> > >

> > > Terri at Brainchild

> > >

> > > At 02:04 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

> > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for my 8 year old son

> > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose bowels and this is

>the

> > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of months - could this

> > > be a

> > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had experienced

> > > anything

> > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the problem - although it

> > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test results will be

> > > back soon!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Can you share the source for this info, Jacquelyn? I knew that zinc and

calcium both don't play well with others, but this specific fact (that they

combine and become unavailable) is not one I've seen before, and I'd love

for to read it. I've always given all my son's zinc and calcium

together and his mineral levels seem to be pretty healthy looking, so I'd

like to learn more about this.

Terri

At 11:45 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

>The only interference I know of is that zinc and calcium can combine in some

>way negating either of them being available for other metabolic needs. Dr.

>JM

> Re: Brainchild mega minerals

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, I'm almost certain the mega mins are part of your loose stool

> > > > > situation. The large amounts of magnesium in them can definitely

> > >affect

> > > > > this. I found that I had to give them to my son in several

>smaller

> > >doses

> > > > > rather than all at once, and that I had to work up to the full

>dose

> > > > > slowly,

> > > > > to avoid this. All those minerals are great to get in, but you

>may

> > > > > have to

> > > > > go a bit slower. Try reducing your dosage of the megamins to

>half,

> > >and do

> > > > > be sure to split them into 3 doses a day if at all possible. Then

> > >work up

> > > > > slowly, staying at the same dose until stools firm up, then

>increasing

> > >a

> > > > > bit, to see what he can tolerate. If stools get loose, cut the

>dose

> > >back

> > > > > a bit and wait until they firm up again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel free to keep in touch,

> > > > >

> > > > > Terri at Brainchild

> > > > >

> > > > > At 02:04 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

> > > > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for my 8 year old

>son

> > > > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose bowels and this

>is

> > >the

> > > > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of months - could

>this

> > > > > be a

> > > > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had experienced

> > > > > anything

> > > > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the problem -

>although it

> > > > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test results will

>be

> > > > > back soon!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I've heard it ever since I've been giving nutrients, and don't recall the

source. I mostly ignored this advice actually until several of my chelation

kids could not get the zinc up no matter how much I gave them and the

calcium kept staying low too. Finally when I separated them they both got

OK, so I'm a believer. In the new DAN! book by Pangborn and Baker, Pangborn

says under the zinc section, Do not give with calcium. In the calcium

section, he says Do not give with zinc. He does not say why, but does say

that these two nutrients are generally noted to be deficient in ASD. When I

get a chance(joke), I'll try to find something on this, or some of you

e-sleuths could try to see what you can find out for all of us. Dr. JM

Re: Brainchild mega minerals

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I'm almost certain the mega mins are part of your loose

stool

> > > > > > situation. The large amounts of magnesium in them can

definitely

> > > >affect

> > > > > > this. I found that I had to give them to my son in several

> >smaller

> > > >doses

> > > > > > rather than all at once, and that I had to work up to the full

> >dose

> > > > > > slowly,

> > > > > > to avoid this. All those minerals are great to get in, but

you

> >may

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > go a bit slower. Try reducing your dosage of the megamins to

> >half,

> > > >and do

> > > > > > be sure to split them into 3 doses a day if at all possible.

Then

> > > >work up

> > > > > > slowly, staying at the same dose until stools firm up, then

> >increasing

> > > >a

> > > > > > bit, to see what he can tolerate. If stools get loose, cut

the

> >dose

> > > >back

> > > > > > a bit and wait until they firm up again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel free to keep in touch,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Terri at Brainchild

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 02:04 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote:

> > > > > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for my 8 year

old

> >son

> > > > > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose bowels and

this

> >is

> > > >the

> > > > > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of months -

could

> >this

> > > > > > be a

> > > > > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had

experienced

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the problem -

> >although it

> > > > > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test results

will

> >be

> > > > > > back soon!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I found this a while back when surfing on this topic. Ignore the fact

that it came from a crazy website (for the record I am not into body

building). The first link is a handy grid on how minerals interact.

The second link is how that affects how they should be administered.

Unfortunately there are no citations but it looks to be credible

information.

http://www.musclephotos.com/minerals.html

http://www.musclephotos.com/supplemt.html

> > > > > > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins for

my 8 year

> old

> > >son

> > > > > > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose

bowels and

> this

> > >is

> > > > >the

> > > > > > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of

months -

> could

> > >this

> > > > > > > be a

> > > > > > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else had

> experienced

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the

problem -

> > >although it

> > > > > > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test

results

> will

> > >be

> > > > > > > back soon!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Actually I take that back there are references below the chart I must

have missed.

> > > > > > > > >I recently switched from SSII mins to mega mins

for

> my 8 year

> > old

> > > >son

> > > > > > > > >Jack. Lately we are experiencing some very loose

> bowels and

> > this

> > > >is

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > > > >only new supp we have added in the past couple of

> months -

> > could

> > > >this

> > > > > > > > be a

> > > > > > > > >contributory factor? Just wondered if anyone else

had

> > experienced

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > >similar as I'm trying to get to the root of the

> problem -

> > > >although it

> > > > > > > > >could well be pathogenic activity - hopefully test

> results

> > will

> > > >be

> > > > > > > > back soon!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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