Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

[Guest guest]

Jim - I recently watched a video of one of Dr. Aguilar's presentations at a

conference. He stated that FGF2 can and does cross the blood-brain barrier

(somebody asked) , and further showed study results of impressive

improvements in autistic children after FGF2 treatments, particularly in

language, congitive and social skills. So the difficult question, without

beating around the bush, is he ripping us off with this stuff? We just made

the very expensive trip to Mexico for FGF2, as did many other families we met

there. Do you think (and you certainly don't have to answer; I'm not trying

to put you on the spot) that Dr. Aguilar is yet another person taking

advantage of desperate parents, or has he stumbled onto something?

[Guest guest]

It seems like the problem with the parents who are trying FGF2, is that

they are doing chelation at the same time. How does anyone know for sure

what's working. It could be in your case that the chelation is doing its job

and that's why you're son is improving. I can't see spending the money it

takes to see Dr. Aguilar when there isn't concrete proof that it works. Is

there anyone out there that's doing FGF2 alone? I do know Dr. Holmes also did

the FGF too and couldn't say for sure if that or chelation helped her son. I

guess the only way to know is to try the FGF2 alone.

Jo (South Carolina)

[Guest guest]

Robin:

Do you mind me asking where you went for HBO in Canada? We live in Toronto

and I'm curious if it's available here. I haven't really looked into it at

this point. Your son's progress sounds wonderful.

Joyce

Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

>

>

> > Robin - How old was your son when you started FGF? What was his

diagnosis

> and

> > level of function? Do you know how old the child who recovered was when

he

> > started? My daughter just turned six and I'm so worried that it's kind

of

> too

> > late for any treatment to be really effective. But, she wasn't diagnosed

> > until after 3 years (wasn't autistic until 2 1/2) and we've been

searching

> > for a recovery, or partial recovery since then.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > yvonne

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Jo - Right now we're doing FGF2 alone until November, when we have our appt.

with Dr. Holmes. So I guess we can be the test case, at least for 5 months.

Dr. Aguilar also put our daughter on Depakote because of a weird

" epilepsy-like " abnormal connection he found in her parietal section, even

though she's never had any seizures and her EEGs looked normal. I swear we

saw improvement day 3 after the first shot, which kind of wore away on day 7.

Last night we gave the 2nd shot. We'll keep reporting back!

[Guest guest]

Robin - How old was your son when you started FGF? What was his diagnosis and

level of function? Do you know how old the child who recovered was when he

started? My daughter just turned six and I'm so worried that it's kind of too

late for any treatment to be really effective. But, she wasn't diagnosed

until after 3 years (wasn't autistic until 2 1/2) and we've been searching

for a recovery, or partial recovery since then.

Thanks,

yvonne

[Guest guest]

After observing our son (10 yr. old PDD NOS) - we know it is not a rip off.

Our son has taken FGF 2 since May 3rd, and we definitely see

better/increased language usage after giving the shot. Since the first

shot, we heard him using more words/better sentences 2 days after the shot.

With the shot on this past 15th, we began to see better language on the

16th. Today, we hope to observe the increase again. We were not expecting

this improvement, since Dr. Aguilar said it would be 6 months to 1 year to

see any improvement - so we were pleasantly surprised. We also notice that

the effect wears off a little with him becoming a little less talkative by

the 7th or 8th day. (He gets a shot every 10 days). He also responds well

to chelation - with memory, awareness and language being helped....since

starting with Chemet and ALA on 11/2000. HIs only set back was from yeast

buildup after 3 1/2 months of chelating

that made him laugh like a crazy man- we stopped chelating for 1 month and

used

amphotericin B to stop it. Starting chelation again showed an obvious gain

in language and mood. , this is my best attempt at describing at my

sons improvements from these 2 therapies done at the same time. Hope it can

help in any way.

Aly

Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

> Jim - I recently watched a video of one of Dr. Aguilar's presentations at

a

> conference. He stated that FGF2 can and does cross the blood-brain barrier

> (somebody asked) , and further showed study results of impressive

> improvements in autistic children after FGF2 treatments, particularly in

> language, congitive and social skills. So the difficult question, without

> beating around the bush, is he ripping us off with this stuff? We just

made

> the very expensive trip to Mexico for FGF2, as did many other families we

met

> there. Do you think (and you certainly don't have to answer; I'm not

trying

> to put you on the spot) that Dr. Aguilar is yet another person taking

> advantage of desperate parents, or has he stumbled onto something?

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/17/01 12:42:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

nelsoneyes@... writes:

<< Jo - Right now we're doing FGF2 alone until November, when we have our

appt.

with Dr. Holmes. So I guess we can be the test case, at least for 5 months.

Dr. Aguilar also put our daughter on Depakote because of a weird

" epilepsy-like " abnormal connection he found in her parietal section, even

though she's never had any seizures and her EEGs looked normal. I swear we

saw improvement day 3 after the first shot, which kind of wore away on day

7.

Last night we gave the 2nd shot. We'll keep reporting back!

>>

,

I really hope the FGF2 does indeed work for you. I've heard that Dr.

Aguilar is brilliant in his field at reading EEG's so that alone is worth the

visit. I can't wait to hear how things go. Here's hoping for big improvements.

Jo (South Carolina)

[Guest guest]

I had my son on FGF2 for approximately 2 years prior to starting the mercury

chelation last October. We saw huge changes with the FGF after 6 months.

He was stuck on the beginning phases of his ABA program for over a year and

after 6-8 months of fgf his receptive language shot up. He's been moving

with the program since. I have not seen much with the chelation. He

improves everyday but nothing real noticeable.

I heard about FGF through my husband. He was at work talking about his son

with autism and a coworker stated his son used to have autism. Jeff was

intrigued by this comment since there is no cure. This coworker stated that

they took his son to Mexico for FGF with Dr. Aguilar. The child did not

receive any other form of therapy, was in special day class, etc. Now, he

is fully included. About a month later my husband was doing an inspection

at a speech therapy facility and a lady was talking to him. He informed her

of our son's disability and she informed him that the best treatment she's

done to date (9/97) was the FGF! This was the second person to mention FGF

within a month and both families had success stories. I contacted both of

them myself.

Anyways, I do have to say that FGF has had a very positive affect on my son.

I am hopeful that by doing both the chelation and FGF that will

benefit greatly. Dr. Amy did write an e-mail to this list or another

stating why she felt FGF complimented mercury chelation. Does anyone still

have this?

Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

> Jo - Right now we're doing FGF2 alone until November, when we have our

appt.

> with Dr. Holmes. So I guess we can be the test case, at least for 5

months.

> Dr. Aguilar also put our daughter on Depakote because of a weird

> " epilepsy-like " abnormal connection he found in her parietal section, even

> though she's never had any seizures and her EEGs looked normal. I swear we

> saw improvement day 3 after the first shot, which kind of wore away on day

7.

> Last night we gave the 2nd shot. We'll keep reporting back!

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

,

started FGF just after his 4th birthday and he is now 7. He has a

diagnosis of autism (diagnosed at 2.7 yrs), hypotonia (low muscle tone) and

ataxia (uncoordinated movements). He developed normally until 6 months.

This is when we started noticing that his sucking was getting weak, had high

pitch screams, inconsolable and sitting was his last milestone he attained

on his own. He had words prior to 1 y/o but lost it after his last set of

vaccines. Also, prior to his last immunizations the neurologist saw him and

felt he was developing a little slow but nothing to worry about. He had

normal body tone, good eye contact, and was 14-1/2 months old. A few months

later after he received his last set of shots, the neurologist diagnosed him

as extremely low tone and having autistic features (18 months old).

Today after many therapies (ABA, AIT-Tomatis/Berard, SI, NACD, Secretin,

HBO), his strongest feature is that he is very social. He wants to be with

everyone. This is a huge improvement because previously he ignored his

sister (wouldn't even look at her) and just wanted to be by himself.

walked independently at age 6 after 40 sessions of HBO in Canada. He has

since received an additional 40 and we are scheduled to return to Canada for

another 40 this July. At our last appt. with Dr. Aguilar he was amazed at

's EEG/VEP results. He stated that the last 2-1/2 years had

made slow steady progress but the new results showed the fgf was now working

even better. I contribute this to the HBO since I had not started the

mercury chelation therapy. initially showed brain damage in all

lobes. According to Dr. Aguilar all areas are within normal range.

However, we are still working on symmetry. FGF has not had the same results

with my son as it has for the two that were fully included but had

more damage than most.

I can not remember the exact age of Jeff's coworkers son when he started the

treatment but he was 5-1/2 when he finished. The mom told me that they were

on it for 1-1/2 years so that would place him around 4. I remember the

other ladies son was around 5 when she started him on it. I'm not sure how

long he was on FGF but when I spoke with her he was 8. There are success

stories out there.

Wish you the best.

Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

> Robin - How old was your son when you started FGF? What was his diagnosis

and

> level of function? Do you know how old the child who recovered was when he

> started? My daughter just turned six and I'm so worried that it's kind of

too

> late for any treatment to be really effective. But, she wasn't diagnosed

> until after 3 years (wasn't autistic until 2 1/2) and we've been searching

> for a recovery, or partial recovery since then.

>

> Thanks,

> yvonne

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> Jim - I recently watched a video of one of Dr. Aguilar's

presentations at a

> conference. He stated that FGF2 can and does cross the blood-brain

barrier

> (somebody asked) , and further showed study results of impressive

> improvements in autistic children after FGF2 treatments,

particularly in

> language, congitive and social skills. So the difficult question,

without

> beating around the bush, is he ripping us off with this stuff?

I think the MUCH more important question is what basis Jim has for his

assertion it does not cross the intact BBB, and how intact an autistic

child's BBB is.

Asking an essentially mainstream physician whether an " alternative "

doc is ripping you off is no different from asking Mc's if Jack

in the Box has good, tasty, wholesome food.

The most important information is NOT what one physician thinks of

another's work, unless physician #2 has treated a bunch of physician

#1's patients, but rather what the patients or their parents have to

say about the effects of the treatment. They know. Another physician

as a rule does not if he hasn't used the therapy.

Remember, if you ask most physicians, they will tell you thimerosal in

vaccines is perfectly safe, and people (like Jim Laidler) who let you

believe it could be a problem and they could treat it are just trying

to rip you off. The willingness to proclaim different views as simply

rip-off attempts is an unfortunate aspect of the culture of modern

mainstream medicine - let's try to stay away from it on list.

Andy

>We just made

> the very expensive trip to Mexico for FGF2, as did many other

families we met

> there. Do you think (and you certainly don't have to answer; I'm not

trying

> to put you on the spot) that Dr. Aguilar is yet another person

taking

> advantage of desperate parents, or has he stumbled onto som

[Guest guest]

This is the kind of real information parents need to make a decision.

Time for another poll. Looks like the great theory that FGF 2 doesn't

cross the blood-brain barrier has been falsified by experiment - at

least for those who practice scientific rather than dogmatic medicine.

Andy

PS - it may actually be TRUE that FGF-2 doesn't cross the BBB -

perhaps it acts in some other manner. But it does act and based on

the information I see I have to say the theory that FGF doesn't cross

the BBB is scientifically false. Remember, scientific theories change

all the time as new data is discovered. There is no such thing as

scientific truth in the sense that, for example, the many christians

on the list view the bible as containing ultimate, unchanging truth.

> After observing our son (10 yr. old PDD NOS) - we know it is not a

rip off.

> Our son has taken FGF 2 since May 3rd, and we definitely see

> better/increased language usage after giving the shot. Since the

first

> shot, we heard him using more words/better sentences 2 days after

the shot.

> With the shot on this past 15th, we began to see better language on

the

> 16th. Today, we hope to observe the increase again. We were not

expecting

> this improvement, since Dr. Aguilar said it would be 6 months to 1

year to

> see any improvement - so we were pleasantly surprised. We also

notice that

> the effect wears off a little with him becoming a little less

talkative by

> the 7th or 8th day. (He gets a shot every 10 days). He also

responds well

> to chelation - with memory, awareness and language being

helped....since

> starting with Chemet and ALA on 11/2000. HIs only set back was from

yeast

> buildup after 3 1/2 months of chelating

> that made him laugh like a crazy man- we stopped chelating for 1

month and

> used

> amphotericin B to stop it. Starting chelation again showed an

obvious gain

> in language and mood. , this is my best attempt at describing

at my

> sons improvements from these 2 therapies done at the same time. Hope

it can

> help in any way.

> Aly

> Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

>

>

> > Jim - I recently watched a video of one of Dr. Aguilar's

presentations at

> a

> > conference. He stated that FGF2 can and does cross the blood-brain

barrier

> > (somebody asked) , and further showed study results of impressive

> > improvements in autistic children after FGF2 treatments,

particularly in

> > language, congitive and social skills. So the difficult question,

without

> > beating around the bush, is he ripping us off with this stuff? We

just

> made

> > the very expensive trip to Mexico for FGF2, as did many other

families we

> met

> > there. Do you think (and you certainly don't have to answer; I'm

not

> trying

> > to put you on the spot) that Dr. Aguilar is yet another person

taking

> > advantage of desperate parents, or has he stumbled onto something?

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Joyce,

We will be going to Vancouver. The center there has a multi-chamber with

hoods for the kids and goes to a depth of 1-3/4 ATA. I have tried both

methods (hood & mask) and for my son it was just easier to put a hood on

him. When he had the mask he kept removing it-it was a constant battle. We

live in Southern CA and have a center here which he went to in December.

However, this center had a mono chamber with the mask and only went to a

depth of 1-1/2 ATA. I'm actually doing a comparison of the two centers. The

cost is about the same after taking into consideration air/lodging, car

rental, expenses. Plus, my husband will drive up with our 3 other children

(camping along the way). They love this.

I believe there are a few in Toronto. Go to

www.geocites.com/~kasmom/hbo.html for sites in the U.S., Canada and England.

I'm not sure how often it is updated.

Hope this helped.

Robin

Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

> >

> >

> > > Robin - How old was your son when you started FGF? What was his

> diagnosis

> > and

> > > level of function? Do you know how old the child who recovered was

when

> he

> > > started? My daughter just turned six and I'm so worried that it's kind

> of

> > too

> > > late for any treatment to be really effective. But, she wasn't

diagnosed

> > > until after 3 years (wasn't autistic until 2 1/2) and we've been

> searching

> > > for a recovery, or partial recovery since then.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > yvonne

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

Andy,

The " theory " that FGF-2 doesn't cross the intact blood-brain barrier

has been demonstrated in numerous studies. While it isn't prudent to

simply parrot the " mainstream dogma " , it is equally foolish to insist

that something isn't true simply because you wish it so.

FGF-2 works in a variety of areas and in numerous tissues; however it

has been adequately proven to be unable to cross the intact blood-

brain barrier. Now, as to the question of the permeability of the

blood-brain barrier in autistic children, there is a lot of

speculation (but damn little evidence) that it is more permeable than

normal. However, knowing the degree to which it must be disrupted to

allow FGF-2 to cross (based on the human studies in stroke and

traumatic brain injury), it would be hard to believe that anyone so

affected could be conscious.

One of the problems with " mainstream " medicine is that people are

afraid to question the established " truth " ; the corresponding problem

in " alternative " medicine is the reluctance to question what anyone

else in the " field " is doing. My purpose is to put the facts as they

are known in front of the people who must make the choice. I still

feel that, until FGF-2 is demonstrated to be better that placebo (and

the placebo effect remains alive and well, despite one widely quoted

but rarely read recent article), people would be well advised to

consider it anything but a " sure thing " .

Jim Laidler

> > After observing our son (10 yr. old PDD NOS) - we know it is not

a

> rip off.

> > Our son has taken FGF 2 since May 3rd, and we definitely see

> > better/increased language usage after giving the shot. Since the

> first

> > shot, we heard him using more words/better sentences 2 days after

> the shot.

> > With the shot on this past 15th, we began to see better language

on

> the

> > 16th. Today, we hope to observe the increase again. We were not

> expecting

> > this improvement, since Dr. Aguilar said it would be 6 months to

1

> year to

> > see any improvement - so we were pleasantly surprised. We also

> notice that

> > the effect wears off a little with him becoming a little less

> talkative by

> > the 7th or 8th day. (He gets a shot every 10 days). He also

> responds well

> > to chelation - with memory, awareness and language being

> helped....since

> > starting with Chemet and ALA on 11/2000. HIs only set back was

from

> yeast

> > buildup after 3 1/2 months of chelating

> > that made him laugh like a crazy man- we stopped chelating for 1

> month and

> > used

> > amphotericin B to stop it. Starting chelation again showed an

> obvious gain

> > in language and mood. , this is my best attempt at

describing

> at my

> > sons improvements from these 2 therapies done at the same time.

Hope

> it can

> > help in any way.

> > Aly

> > Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

> >

> >

> > > Jim - I recently watched a video of one of Dr. Aguilar's

> presentations at

> > a

> > > conference. He stated that FGF2 can and does cross the blood-

brain

> barrier

> > > (somebody asked) , and further showed study results of

impressive

> > > improvements in autistic children after FGF2 treatments,

> particularly in

> > > language, congitive and social skills. So the difficult

question,

> without

> > > beating around the bush, is he ripping us off with this stuff?

We

> just

> > made

> > > the very expensive trip to Mexico for FGF2, as did many other

> families we

> > met

> > > there. Do you think (and you certainly don't have to answer;

I'm

> not

> > trying

> > > to put you on the spot) that Dr. Aguilar is yet another person

> taking

> > > advantage of desperate parents, or has he stumbled onto

something?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

<<Jim Laidler said, in part:>>

>One of the problems with " mainstream " medicine is that people are

>afraid to question the established " truth " ; the corresponding problem

>in " alternative " medicine is the reluctance to question what anyone

>else in the " field " is doing. My purpose is to put the facts as they

>are known in front of the people who must make the choice. I still

>feel that, until FGF-2 is demonstrated to be better that placebo (and

>the placebo effect remains alive and well, despite one widely quoted

>but rarely read recent article), people would be well advised to

>consider it anything but a " sure thing " .

Thanks for your summary -- I agree both attitudes have a downside.

While " FGF-2 " may not be " a sure thing " , we also need to consider

whether being " a sure thing " is really necessary. I say it depends

on what options are available, and what costs/risks are. There may

not BE any " sure things " .

Moria

[Guest guest]

> > > After observing our son (10 yr. old PDD NOS) - we know it is not

> a

> > rip off.

> > > Our son has taken FGF 2 since May 3rd, and we definitely see

> > > better/increased language usage after giving the shot. Since

the

> > first

> > > shot, we heard him using more words/better sentences 2 days

after

> > the shot.

> > > With the shot on this past 15th, we began to see better language

> on

> > the

> > > 16th. Today, we hope to observe the increase again. We were not

> > expecting

> > > this improvement, since Dr. Aguilar said it would be 6 months to

> 1

> > year to

> > > see any improvement - so we were pleasantly surprised. We also

> > notice that

> > > the effect wears off a little with him becoming a little less

> > talkative by

> > > the 7th or 8th day. (He gets a shot every 10 days). He also

> > responds well

> > > to chelation - with memory, awareness and language being

> > helped....since

> > > starting with Chemet and ALA on 11/2000. HIs only set back was

> from

> > yeast

> > > buildup after 3 1/2 months of chelating

> > > that made him laugh like a crazy man- we stopped chelating for 1

> > month and

> > > used

> > > amphotericin B to stop it. Starting chelation again showed an

> > obvious gain

> > > in language and mood. , this is my best attempt at

> describing

> > at my

> > > sons improvements from these 2 therapies done at the same time.

> Hope

> > it can

> > > help in any way.

> > > Aly

> > > Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

> > >

> > >

> > > > Jim - I recently watched a video of one of Dr. Aguilar's

> > presentations at

> > > a

> > > > conference. He stated that FGF2 can and does cross the blood-

> brain

> > barrier

> > > > (somebody asked) , and further showed study results of

> impressive

> > > > improvements in autistic children after FGF2 treatments,

> > particularly in

> > > > language, congitive and social skills. So the difficult

> question,

> > without

> > > > beating around the bush, is he ripping us off with this stuff?

> We

> > just

> > > made

> > > > the very expensive trip to Mexico for FGF2, as did many other

> > families we

> > > met

> > > > there. Do you think (and you certainly don't have to answer;

> I'm

> > not

> > > trying

> > > > to put you on the spot) that Dr. Aguilar is yet another person

> > taking

> > > > advantage of desperate parents, or has he stumbled onto

> something?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > =======================================================

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> While " FGF-2 " may not be " a sure thing " , we also need to consider

> whether being " a sure thing " is really necessary. I say it depends

> on what options are available, and what costs/risks are. There may

> not BE any " sure things " .

A statement generally true in this area of medicine.

The " mainstream " wants us to wait until they decide it is a sure

thing.

We are more than willing to take our chances in hopes of getting the

best deal we are offered as a " sure thing. "

I really don't understand why the doc's try so hard to discourage this

behavior, rather than working with us to try to maximize the chances

we find what we want.

Andy

>

> M

[Guest guest]

I believe it's given by injection. Hard to get over the counter! :-) I'm

not even sure US docs can rx this. I always thought this was why Dr.

Aguilar practices in Mexico, and there's nobody who uses it here in the US,

but I could certainly be wrong.

Terri

At 01:50 PM 6/18/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Do you need to go to Dr. Aguilar or can you just obtain and use the FGF-2

>yourself?

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Do you need to go to Dr. Aguilar or can you just obtain and use the FGF-2

yourself?

[Guest guest]

<<I said:>>

>> While " FGF-2 " may not be " a sure thing " , we also need to consider

>> whether being " a sure thing " is really necessary. I say it depends

>> on what options are available, and what costs/risks are. There may

>> not BE any " sure things " .

<<then Andy said:>

>

>A statement generally true in this area of medicine.

>

>The " mainstream " wants us to wait until they decide it is a sure

>thing.

>

>We are more than willing to take our chances in hopes of getting the

>best deal we are offered as a " sure thing. "

>

>I really don't understand why the doc's try so hard to discourage this

>behavior, rather than working with us to try to maximize the chances

>we find what we want.

Yeah-- especially in cases where they don't have any answer.

I think it makes a whole lot more sense to try " everything " rather

than " nothing " . Except if " everything " is *dangerous*, in which case

it depends. But most body care methods are NOT dangerous. In an

argument I got in recently, I used acupunture as an example. I

absolutely DO NOT need " proof " that it works in order to decide to

do it -- Acupuncture is incredibly benign! This line of reasoning

applies usefully to a great many things.

It is the medicos who have given people the idea that certain " special "

areas of life (medicine, science, body care) require " proof " or

some special scientific hocus-pocus in order to take action. Otherwise

we are " stupid " and " mislead " to use " unproven " methods.

This is a really inhibiting philosophy -- damages people's ability to act.

[Guest guest]

- You need to go to see him in Mexico - FGF2 is not available in the

U.S. (not FDA approved yet).

[Guest guest]

Ok I have a theory.... Does this all not tie in with the gut being a

" Second Brain " ????

Laurie

Mom to Grace 4.2

> > Andy,

> As soon as someone comes up with a theory of

> how it does what it does without crossing the blood-brain

barrier,

> that theory can be resurrected. Right now, the simplest (and

thus

> only scientific) theory is that it does cross the BBB in these kids

> Personally I stick to the definition of science when theorizing,

and

> leave out my desires to prove others right or wrong.

> >

> > FGF-2 works in a variety of areas and in numerous tissues;

however

> it

> > has been adequately proven to be unable to cross the intact

blood-

> > brain barrier. Now, as to the question of the permeability of

the

> > blood-brain barrier in autistic children, there is a lot of

> > speculation (but damn little evidence) that it is more

permeable

> than

> > normal. However, knowing the degree to which it must be

disrupted to

> > allow FGF-2 to cross (based on the human studies in stroke

and

> > traumatic brain injury), it would be hard to believe that anyone

so

> > affected could be conscious.

[Guest guest]

I would like some clarification on the FGF subject. We have used FGF2 which

is a homeopathic version from Biomed Comm. I thought what Dr. Aguilar used

was FGF not called FGF2. We were pleased with the results of the homeopathic

version in case anyone wants to consider that route.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Terri-Dr. Edelson in Atlanta does (or did) this. I heard that he

charges 80K per year for the FGF2. I heard this product comes from

Japan. I have not verified any of this, but had seen it come up on

a few lists from time to time.

> >Do you need to go to Dr. Aguilar or can you just obtain and use the

FGF-2

> >yourself?

> >

> >

> >=======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Jane thank you I have just today ordered this, could you tell me how

many drops you used how often and how long you have been using it? and are

you using this in combination with chelating (we will be).

Thank you

Regards

Terri s

Re: [ ] Re: Q for Jim Laidler(FGF2)

>I would like some clarification on the FGF subject. We have used FGF2

which

>is a homeopathic version from Biomed Comm. I thought what Dr. Aguilar used

>was FGF not called FGF2. We were pleased with the results of the

homeopathic

>version in case anyone wants to consider that route.

>

> Jane

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri,

We were on a long break from chealation at the time we used the FGF2. The

only reason for the break was the horrid rash I have posted about. It was

the only new thing we were doing at that time. There will be instructions

with the vial when it comes, but we weren't really exact about it. I gave

her a full dropper full on her tongue 4 x a day. You are not supposed to

give it right before a meal or right after. If your child has trouble

sleeping we noticed her sleeping better after several days on the drops. We

only used the one bottle a two months supply and we haven't reordered as of

yet. We started cranial sacral therapy, and I want to see what that is doing.

Hope it works great for you guys!

Jane