Re: Autism is over infected blood

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Caryn,I am not sure if this was discussed on this list before, but l have read that giving electrolyte drink 2-3 days before BD will make the procedure so much easier..... Makes sense to me, a well hydrated kid will yield bodily fluids easier...maybe u feel like trying this next time he has to get this done.IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelFrom: "Caryn_Reid" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:40:36 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >Subject: Re: Autism is over infected blood Hi Heidi, I was amazed at watching this video. I was actually speaking to the woman at labcorp today trying to figure out how I could get trained to draw blood and then later told my friend (another masters degree mom in sweatpants, recently dx with lyme and also an ASD son) that I want to learn to draw blood and to get a good microscope so that I can start studying samples and classifying pathogens, etc. So, I guess someone else with more training than me already came up with this idea. Now, if the lack of healthy RBCs was truly the problem, couldn't the child have a blood transfussion from a healthier, compatable family member to gain healthy RBCs? Has anyone tried this? I would love to hear thoughts. BTW, I have been trying to get labs from my son for over 2 months and he had FOUR failed attempts, with 2-4 sticks each time. No one can get blood out of him. Even yesterday, when they succeeded in getting the blood, the technician noted that it clotted immediately in the tubes. I was on blood thinners (lovenox and baby aspirin) during my pregnancy with him -- my 2 prior pregnancies ended with no heart beat in the 2nd trimester. I have considered if blood thinners would help him now as well. I have not gone further than vitamin E. Caryn > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells. If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum. > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N >

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A blood transfusion may work temporarily. The problem is over-infection, so the

infection would soon contaminate the new blood. Cod liver oil and most herbs

seem to thin the blood. They all work in different ways, but most increase

circulation or do something that makes the blood less thick. Cleaning up the

blood of deat pathogen debris and killing the pathogens seems to be the answer.

This would entail pathogen-killers and lymph enhancers, maybe even sytemic

enzymes to digest the particles.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

> >

> > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is

really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it

several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these

chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their

blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I

totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our

children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a

combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the

herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then

explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only

2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the

capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally

agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they

have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or

opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present

due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it

will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those

intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> >

> > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

>

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Caryn, have you tested your son for hypercoagulanimia? they test PT time and

some other markers, basically blood too thick and clots too fast, usually people

with chronic infections have this.... My mom has it and has blood clots, havent

tested myself, but I think I will.

Sorry to hear your son is having such a stressful time with blood draws, my son

is the same way, his blood has clotted before they

where able to test it also. My son freaks so bad since he had IVIG several years

ago and one time we had a bad nurse that couldnt get the vein and pricked him 4

times, then they brought in a anestesiologist and he tried twice, then they

brought in another one and he tried twice then finally got one in his foot,

since then he has PTSD to doctors/offices/dentist anything health related. Have

only been able to get blood twice, it makes it so hard to do tests to help him.

hang in there

deborah

> >

> > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is

really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it

several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these

chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their

blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I

totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our

children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a

combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the

herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then

explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only

2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the

capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally

agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they

have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or

opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present

due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it

will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those

intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> >

> > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

>

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I agree all those steps are necessary. However, if he could get a pint of blood

every 3 weeks (instead of like IVIg) as an ongoing therapy, I would do it if

that would make an impact?

I wish the DANs were more dynamic. Mom's are the ones with the good ideas. We

obsess over these things day and night.

Caryn

> > >

> > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is

really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it

several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these

chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their

blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I

totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our

children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a

combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the

herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then

explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only

2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the

capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally

agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they

have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or

opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present

due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it

will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those

intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > >

> > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

>

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I think there is a lot of good points posted and likely all are accurate. I want to point out though that the key difference in blood full of pathogens is that the immune system is not working adequately. When one has this many pathogens in their blood, you are suppose to have fever, and all kinds of illness symptoms. But, instead of our children showing illness symptoms, the symptoms present as neurological, behavioral, etc. This means the immune system is likely too overworked to work.

I like to compare it to AIDS, since this was the first pleomorphic pathogen to get publicized. With AIDS, you don't get sick with illness symptoms until your immune system is burned out, and then you get the chronic symptoms, which are mostly from other pathogens you acquire and not directly from the HIV. I feel this is the same with autism. One gets a pleomorphic bacteria (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and doesn't show sick symptoms. Down the road, the immune system burns out and whatever pathogens the person is exposed to, overtake them. Fortunately, the pleomorphic bacteria, is not as fatal as the pleomorphic virus HIV. I do hear of people dying, but it's rare compared to how many are sick and infected. It is strange to be sick and disabled and stay in that state without continually getting worse, but I imagine there is a scientific reason for that which we will learn eventually.

I have read that children with HIV are born without symptoms and then usually between the ages of 1 1/2 and 2, they start presenting with symptoms that look like autism. I feel other theories are also correct, in that anything that further stresses the immune system, adds to the problem, such as vaccines, toxins, etc. Of course the leaky gut is a part of all this and all the other findings we have. But the big difference is the stifling of the immune system. Pleomorphic pathogens can do this, so can toxins. Either way, one causes the other. And the big difference still remains as to why isn't the immune system fighting these germs in the usual way we see others get sick. Reports say too little NK cells, too little t-cells, and some other immune abnormalities. Remember that HIV reportedly decreases only t-cells, just one part of our immune system. So, it doesn't take much to start a chain reaction, throwing the entire body into dissarray.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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So do you agree with this article about the cause of autism is bad blood circulation due intra-cellular patogens or

the real cause is the intra-cellular pathogens and bad blood circulation is their side-effect?

This bad blood circulation itsself can cause the hypoperfussion in some brain areas?

I heard from several nurse that my son's blood is too thick.

Also I can see on his skin a wavy pattern due bad blood circulation.

I can see this pattern since he was a baby , but when he was younger this happened only when he was sick and has high fever.

But after his big regression , this pattern became permenant. Now we knows that his RBC's are full of some unknown protozoa.

I

Muge

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Caryn_ReidSent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:48 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Autism is over infected blood

I agree all those steps are necessary. However, if he could get a pint of blood every 3 weeks (instead of like IVIg) as an ongoing therapy, I would do it if that would make an impact?I wish the DANs were more dynamic. Mom's are the ones with the good ideas. We obsess over these things day and night.Caryn> > >> > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells. If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum. > > > > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html> > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > Heidi N> > >> >>*** Size gonderilen E-Posta mesajinda BILGISAYAR SISTEMLERI VE *** ILETISIM AGLARI ACISINDAN istenmeyen ve/veya

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I am just sharing my thoughts.I think leaky gut is the first thing that triggers all this hypoperfusion proteins ,pathogens ,undigested food, debris of dieoff from pathofens leaks out into the blood plus acid also gets released and cause the membranes of the R.B.C's to loose their structure.One more reason could be that they dont get the nutrients to build up their membrane structure again due to gut not working properly.The life cycle of a red blood cell is 40 days after that they die and new cells take over.The two rescue organs of the body for healing are liver and bonemarrow .Bone marrow has stem cells and liver has the protein manufacturing ability that is important for all body cells function and structure plus its a major detox organ.

So thininng blood by enzymes could flow more blood to these rescue and other damaged organs which in turn can start the healing process.Stopping and fixing the leaky gut with killing the pathogens is also necessary.Plus glutathiones or other things that support liver help .

Subject: RE: Re: Autism is over infected bloodTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 11:38 AM

So do you agree with this article about the cause of autism is bad blood circulation due intra-cellular patogens or

the real cause is the intra-cellular pathogens and bad blood circulation is their side-effect?

This bad blood circulation itsself can cause the hypoperfussion in some brain areas?

I heard from several nurse that my son's blood is too thick.

Also I can see on his skin a wavy pattern due bad blood circulation.

I can see this pattern since he was a baby , but when he was younger this happened only when he was sick and has high fever.

But after his big regression , this pattern became permenant. Now we knows that his RBC's are full of some unknown protozoa.

I

Muge

From: BorreliaMultipleInf ectionsAndAutism @yahoogroups. com [mailto:BorreliaMul tipleInfectionsA ndAutism@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Caryn_ReidSent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:48 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInf ectionsAndAutism @yahoogroups. comSubject: [borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Autism is over infected blood

I agree all those steps are necessary. However, if he could get a pint of blood every 3 weeks (instead of like IVIg) as an ongoing therapy, I would do it if that would make an impact?I wish the DANs were more dynamic. Mom's are the ones with the good ideas. We obsess over these things day and night.Caryn> > >> > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out,

the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells. If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address

on this forum. > > > > > > http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2009/ 06/a-tale- of-autistic- blood..html> > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > Heidi N> > >> >>*** Size gonderilen E-Posta mesajinda BILGISAYAR SISTEMLERI VE *** ILETISIM AGLARI ACISINDAN istenmeyen ve/veya

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I would say it is both. I have a similiar pathogen load to my son, but it

appears I have more healthy RBCs and my blood is not as sticky. So congenital

pathogen load leads to almost no healthy RBCs, sticky blood, poor oxygenation,

lots of other things.

My point is that if my son and I have the same infections, however, my blood is

in better shape, could I give him my blood and would that help?

Caryn

> > > >

> > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

> viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains

> that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

> If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children

> have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.

> Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are

> under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from

> many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The

> pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means

> that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as

> the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority

> in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts

> are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html>

> > > >

> > > > Love and prayers,

> > > >

> > > > Heidi N

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Jen:

Now this is an original idea. Interesting.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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What about dialysis like for those with kidney malfunction? Kidneys clean the

blood. This makes sense to me.

Jen

> > >

> > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is

really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it

several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these

chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their

blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I

totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our

children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a

combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the

herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then

explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only

2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the

capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally

agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they

have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or

opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present

due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it

will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those

intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > >

> > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

>

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Oregon grape root is a blood purifier too.

Jen

> > >

> > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is

really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it

several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these

chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their

blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I

totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our

children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a

combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the

herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then

explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only

2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the

capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally

agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they

have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or

opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present

due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it

will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those

intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > >

> > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

>

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Ever since we had his first blood draw and they couldn't get the blood to come

out well (they said dehydration) I have always believed that the pathogens and

wastes (feces too) are leaking out into the gut and clogging the blood,

preventing oxygen getting to the brain and vital organs. Rashes are a sign of

kidney stress, therefore they get the rashes all the time. Now, I'd never

thought of the actual cells being infected, probably both makes sense. This is

the reason for the spacey episodes during die-off and the visual stims, just not

enough oxygen to the brain. This causes swelling and confusion. It sucks. It

doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out these kids have gunk in their

whole bodies, ear wax pouring out, scaly skin, yellow skin, pale and sickly.

Horrible digestion, knocked knees and so on and so on. They are so overridden

with it all. Makes me mad thinking that we as mom's have to sit here and keep

trying to figure it all out, Even the DAN doctors are just not capable of

healing their own children. How many of them have recovered kids of their own?

The one I had seen here, hers was just as bad as ever and she tried every new

fad concept on him that came out. I left that office when I found that out.

WE'RE the one's recovering our children.!!! O.K. docs time to get a clue!

whew!

Jen

> > > >

> > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

> viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains

> that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

> If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children

> have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.

> Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are

> under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from

> many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The

> pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means

> that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as

> the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority

> in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts

> are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

> <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html>

> > > >

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> > > >

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Curious why a blood transfusion would be preferable to IVIG? My son will most

likely be doing IVIG soon and would really appreciate getting any feedback about

this. Thank you.

>

> Jen:

>

> Now this is an original idea. Interesting.

>

> Love and prayers,

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> Heidi N

>

>

>

> What about dialysis like for those with kidney malfunction? Kidneys clean

> the blood. This makes sense to me.

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Curious why a blood transfusion would be preferable to IVIG? My son will most

likely be doing IVIG soon and would really appreciate getting any feedback about

this. Thank you.

>

> Jen:

>

> Now this is an original idea. Interesting.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> What about dialysis like for those with kidney malfunction? Kidneys clean

> the blood. This makes sense to me.

>

> Jen

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this is interesting. at 20 months my son had a blood draw that was so thick they said he could not be alive if it were accurate. WOW. I'm wondering just how close to death he really was.Subject: Re: Autism is over infected bloodTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:49 PM

Ever since we had his first blood draw and they couldn't get the blood to come out well (they said dehydration) I have always believed that the pathogens and wastes (feces too) are leaking out into the gut and clogging the blood, preventing oxygen getting to the brain and vital organs. Rashes are a sign of kidney stress, therefore they get the rashes all the time. Now, I'd never thought of the actual cells being infected, probably both makes sense. This is the reason for the spacey episodes during die-off and the visual stims, just not enough oxygen to the brain. This causes swelling and confusion. It sucks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out these kids have gunk in their whole bodies, ear wax pouring out, scaly skin, yellow skin, pale and sickly. Horrible digestion, knocked knees and so on and so on. They are so overridden with it all. Makes me mad thinking that we as mom's have to sit here and keep trying to figure it all out,

Even the DAN doctors are just not capable of healing their own children. How many of them have recovered kids of their own? The one I had seen here, hers was just as bad as ever and she tried every new fad concept on him that came out. I left that office when I found that out. WE'RE the one's recovering our children.!!! O.K. docs time to get a clue!

whew!

Jen

> > > >

> > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

> viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains

> that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

> If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children

> have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.

> Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are

> under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from

> many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The

> pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means

> that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as

> the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority

> in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts

> are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2009/ 06/a-tale- of-autistic- blood.html

> <http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2009/ 06/a-tale- of-autistic- blood.html>

> > > >

> > > > Love and prayers,

> > > >

> > > > Heidi N

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My idea for a blood transfusion was to give healthy red blood cells to feed the

brain and body instead of just immunoglubulin to fight infections. I know that

it is not uncommon for premies to have blood transfusions.

I like the other idea posted for dialysis as well. I like so many of these and

I am not aware of anyone trying dialysis or blood transfusion. I am looking for

a new local dr that is open to working with me.

I would really like to practice medicine so that I can " practice " medicine

legally. I am trying to figure out the quickest road to work in NY. There are

so many things I want to do. )

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Hi,

I think that leaky gut maybe trigger for majority, but cant be the only trigger. My son hasn't leaky gut, he has never had.

Maybe because of this he hadn't any improvement during DAN! treatments, he was on glutathione and lot's of supplements since long time,

his latest OAT and CSA results didn't showed any problem, still he hadn't any improvement until zithromax.

I think intra-cellular bacterias roles is more important than other factors.

Muge

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of shazia siddiqiSent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:06 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Released from eSafe SPAM quarantine: RE: Re: Autism is over infected blood

I am just sharing my thoughts.I think leaky gut is the first thing that triggers all this hypoperfusion proteins ,pathogens ,undigested food, debris of dieoff from pathofens leaks out into the blood plus acid also gets released and cause the membranes of the R.B.C's to loose their structure.One more reason could be that they dont get the nutrients to build up their membrane structure again due to gut not working properly.The life cycle of a red blood cell is 40 days after that they die and new cells take over.The two rescue organs of the body for healing are liver and bonemarrow .Bone marrow has stem cells and liver has the protein manufacturing ability that is important for all body cells function and structure plus its a major detox organ.

So thininng blood by enzymes could flow more blood to these rescue and other damaged organs which in turn can start the healing process.Stopping and fixing the leaky gut with killing the pathogens is also necessary.Plus glutathiones or other things that support liver help .

From: Muge Kavaslar <Muge.Kavaslarimkb (DOT) gov.tr>Subject: RE: Re: Autism is over infected bloodTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 11:38 AM

So do you agree with this article about the cause of autism is bad blood circulation due intra-cellular patogens or

the real cause is the intra-cellular pathogens and bad blood circulation is their side-effect?

This bad blood circulation itsself can cause the hypoperfussion in some brain areas?

I heard from several nurse that my son's blood is too thick.

Also I can see on his skin a wavy pattern due bad blood circulation.

I can see this pattern since he was a baby , but when he was younger this happened only when he was sick and has high fever.

But after his big regression , this pattern became permenant. Now we knows that his RBC's are full of some unknown protozoa.

I

Muge

From: BorreliaMultipleInf ectionsAndAutism @yahoogroups. com [mailto:BorreliaMul tipleInfectionsA ndAutism@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Caryn_ReidSent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:48 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInf ectionsAndAutism @yahoogroups. comSubject: [borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Autism is over infected blood

I agree all those steps are necessary. However, if he could get a pint of blood every 3 weeks (instead of like IVIg) as an ongoing therapy, I would do it if that would make an impact?I wish the DANs were more dynamic. Mom's are the ones with the good ideas. We obsess over these things day and night.Caryn> > >> > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells. If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things. Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts are coming from the pleos we address on this forum. > > > > > > http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2009/ 06/a-tale- of-autistic- blood..html> > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > Heidi N> > >> >>*** Size gonderilen E-Posta mesajinda BILGISAYAR SISTEMLERI VE *** ILETISIM AGLARI ACISINDAN istenmeyen ve/veya

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Do you think that those intracellular pathogens are only in RBC's or

they exists also in other body cells?

Maybe we think that they are only in blood because we did test only the blood.

If the life cycle of RBC's is only 40 day, 40-50 days of effective treatment should be enough to rid of them.

But we need much more long treatments, this made me think that they can live in other body cell's also.

Muge

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Caryn_ReidSent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:50 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Autism is over infected blood

I would say it is both. I have a similiar pathogen load to my son, but it appears I have more healthy RBCs and my blood is not as sticky. So congenital pathogen load leads to almost no healthy RBCs, sticky blood, poor oxygenation, lots of other things. My point is that if my son and I have the same infections, however, my blood is in better shape, could I give him my blood and would that help?Caryn> > > >> > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that> autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me> reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but> astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells> (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of> intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the> intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and> herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the> pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes> viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains> that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.> If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children> have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.> Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are> under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from> many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The> pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means> that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as> the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority> in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts> are coming from the pleos we address on this forum. > > > > > > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html> <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html> > > > > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > > > Heidi N> > > >> > >> >> > > > > *** Size gonderilen E-Posta mesajinda BILGISAYAR SISTEMLERI VE > *** ILETISIM AGLARI ACISINDAN istenmeyen ve/veya> *** zararli icerik tespit edilmis ve temizlenmistir.> *** Virus scanner detected a hostile content in the email> *** that was sent to you and removed it.> > \HTML Active Content: Found invalid IMG Tag, Found Web-beacon, Object> Removed: 1 'img'> > ----------------------------------------------------------> Bu e-posta mesaji, mesajin alici kisminda belirtilmis olan kullanici icindir. Mesajin alicisi siz degilseniz > -dogrudan veya dolayli olarak- mesaji kullanmayiniz, acmayiniz, dagitmayiniz, yazicidan dokumunu > almayiniz veya herhangi bir kismini kopyalamayiniz. Yanlislikla bu mesaj size ulasmissa lutfen, siliniz ve > tüm kopyalarini yok ederek mesaji gonderene acilen haber veriniz. Bu mesaj icerisinde belirtilenler > sadece gondericinin kisisel gorusleridir. Bu gorusler IMKB'nin goruslerini yansitmadigi gibi, IMKB'yi > baglayici da degildir.> This email is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are > not the intended addressee of this message, you should not use, open, disseminate, distribute, print or > copy this e-mail. If you have received this email in error, please delete it from your system and notify the > sender immediately. The Istanbul Stock Exchange does not accept any legal responsibility whatsoever for the > contents of this message. Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and are not given > or endorsed by the Istanbul Stock Exchange.> ---------------------------------------------------------->*** Size gonderilen E-Posta mesajinda BILGISAYAR SISTEMLERI VE *** ILETISIM AGLARI ACISINDAN istenmeyen ve/veya

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I have no doubt pathogen are all over the place. However, I am very suspicious

of RBC infections influencing autism.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> > autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> > reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> > astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> > (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> > intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> > intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> > herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> > pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

> > viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains

> > that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

> > If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children

> > have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.

> > Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are

> > under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from

> > many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The

> > pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means

> > that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as

> > the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority

> > in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts

> > are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

<http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html>

> > <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

<http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and prayers,

> > > > >

> > > > > Heidi N

> > > > >

> > > >

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> >

> >

> >

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i think all pathogens really clog the lymphs...and settle where ever they feel like setting up camp.

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Not following this well...but a RBC lifespan is about 120 days.

Jen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> > > autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> > > reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> > > astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> > > (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> > > intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> > > intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> > > herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> > > pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

> > > viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then explains

> > > that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood cells.

> > > If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children

> > > have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.

> > > Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are

> > > under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it from

> > > many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The

> > > pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic means

> > > that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such as

> > > the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the majority

> > > in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular artifacts

> > > are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

<http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html>

> > > <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

<http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and prayers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Heidi N

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For this reason, Dr. JS recommends to treat Babesia for at least 5 months -

one month more than the RBC lifespan to be on the safe side.

Limin

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To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Autism is over infected

blood

> Not following this well...but a RBC lifespan is about 120 days.

>

> Jen

>

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

>> > > autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took

>> > > me

>> > > reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

>> > > astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

>> > > (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full

>> > > of

>> > > intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

>> > > intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos

>> > > and

>> > > herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of

>> > > the

>> > > pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

>> > > viruses. And of course there are others as well. The video then

>> > > explains

>> > > that very sick adults still have about 25% of healthy red blood

>> > > cells.

>> > > If sick adults still have 25% of their RBCs health, and our children

>> > > have only 2% of thier RBCs healthy, well, this explains things.

>> > > Basically, the capillaries are not able to feed tissues, so they are

>> > > under-working. I totally agree with this theory. We can look at it

>> > > from

>> > > many angles, in the end they have too many pathogens and toxins. The

>> > > pathogens are either intracellular or opportunistic. Opportunistic

>> > > means

>> > > that the infection is likely only present due to other reasons such

>> > > as

>> > > the intracellular pathogens. I wonder how long it will take the

>> > > majority

>> > > in the autism community to start realizing those intracellular

>> > > artifacts

>> > > are coming from the pleos we address on this forum.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

>> > > > > > <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html>

>> > > <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html

>> > > <http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/a-tale-of-autistic-blood.html> >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Love and prayers,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Heidi N

>> > > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

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>> > > mesaj size ulasmissa lutfen, siliniz ve

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Yes , you are right , it's 120 days. And I recently read for Chlamydia

Pnemoniae (and probably other co & too)

they are not only in RBC's but in lynph nodes, in bone narrow cells, in blood

vessel wall cells, in nerve cells ...

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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:42 AM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Autism is over infected blood

Not following this well...but a RBC lifespan is about 120 days.

Jen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> > > autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> > > reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> > > astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> > > (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> > > intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> > > intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> > > herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> > > pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

>

[Guest guest]

" the real cause is the intra-cellular pathogens and bad blood circulation

> > > is their side-effect? "

I think it is this. Too many pathogens in the bloodsteam to handle. Causing a

slow breakdown in metabolic function, less oxygen to cells and tissues. When

bacteria are circulating in the blood, the vessels naturally constrict as our

response to protect ourselves. This is the inflammation in the brain, lack of

oxygen due to circulation being restricted. If you have a faulty blood brain

barrier, say from long term yeasts and alcohol depleting it and causing actual

holes in the BBB from lack of thiamine, then it actually will then lead to acids

getting into the brain, where some other kids with yeast issues, but no

bacterial translocation, can have yeast with no symptoms. Good blood brain

barrier. able to detoxify. My two NT daughters have all the symptoms of yeast

that my son does and are totally normal. They bruise easily and one has

hyperflexive joints. But no strange behaviors or signs of metabolic stress.

Jen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is a finding being relayed that supports the theory that

> > > > autism is really just too many pathogens and toxins. The video took me

> > > > reloading it several times to get it to play all the way through, but

> > > > astonishinly, these chidren had only about 2% of Red Blood Cells

> > > > (RBC's)that were healthy, and their blood was quite clumpy and full of

> > > > intracellular pathogen wastes/pieces. I totally agree that it is the

> > > > intracellular pathogens that are taking our children out, the pleos and

> > > > herpes, are intracellular. And autism seems to be a combination of the

> > > > pleos (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma) and one or many of the herpes

> >

>