How parents/caregivers are getting supplements into their children

June 10, 2001

Sue,

We started out by hiding everything BUT it got to a point where Ben no longer

wanted to eat anything for fear we had hidden supps in it. What we have done is

gotten ALL off his supplements in Gel Cap form(tasteless) and simply taught him

to swallow them.

We basically do it in an ABA fashion using his Butterscotch Vit E (GNC brand)as

reinforcer in the morning and cherry flavored probiotics in the evening. We

still get a fight from time to time but most of the time he will just take them.

Toma

Is this information

around anywhere or can we maybe start collecting it...

> some days are just sooo rough dealing w/ getting their supplements

into

> them; yep, today was one of them, thus this post!

>

> We can hide them in orange juice for one of my sons, but for the

other we

> use peanut butter (put it in gfcf cereal, on a gfcf waffle, or on a

gfcf

> pretzel) and frozen orange juice popsicles. The orange juice in

sippy cups

> is easy, but the peanut butter and popsicles are tough because you

have to

> sit there and watch them like a hawk til they finish it and if they

don't

> want it you have to cheer them on to finish it; and I have two

other kids,

> so it is almost impossible to be this watchful!

>

> Occasionally we have to syringe it into their mouths if for some

reason they

> won't take it they way we've hid it and we probably only get about

1/2 in

> them.

>

> Anyway, I was hoping to get some good ideas from others... there

are sooo

> many supplements and sooo much money being spent that I want it to

be

> worthwhile!!

>

> Sometimes I wish they had some sort of shunt opening to their

stomach that

> we could just put these in... I know it requires surgery to do

this, but I

> am at that point some days ;(

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sue

>

June 10, 2001

Toma,

How did you actually teach him to swallow the capsules and how old is your

son? I bought the smallest empty capsules I could find to put my sons

vitamins into with the hope that I could teach him to swallow them someday

soon. He is 3 1/2. Does that sound too young? (My son also will not drink or

eat any of his favorites anymore because he's afraid supplements are in

them.)

Meg

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>From: " Toma & Terry " <terrytoma@...>

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: How parents/caregivers are getting

supplements into their children

>Date: Sun, Jun 10, 2001, 9:22 AM

>

> Sue,

>

> We started out by hiding everything BUT it got to a point where Ben no

> longer wanted to eat anything for fear we had hidden supps in it. What we

> have done is gotten ALL off his supplements in Gel Cap form(tasteless) and

> simply taught him to swallow them.

>

> We basically do it in an ABA fashion using his Butterscotch Vit E (GNC

> brand)as reinforcer in the morning and cherry flavored probiotics in the

> evening. We still get a fight from time to time but most of the time he

> will just take them.

>

> Toma

>

> Is this information

> around anywhere or can we maybe start collecting it...

>> some days are just sooo rough dealing w/ getting their supplements

> into

>> them; yep, today was one of them, thus this post!

>>

>> We can hide them in orange juice for one of my sons, but for the

> other we

>> use peanut butter (put it in gfcf cereal, on a gfcf waffle, or on a

> gfcf

>> pretzel) and frozen orange juice popsicles. The orange juice in

> sippy cups

>> is easy, but the peanut butter and popsicles are tough because you

> have to

>> sit there and watch them like a hawk til they finish it and if they

> don't

>> want it you have to cheer them on to finish it; and I have two

> other kids,

>> so it is almost impossible to be this watchful!

>>

>> Occasionally we have to syringe it into their mouths if for some

> reason they

>> won't take it they way we've hid it and we probably only get about

> 1/2 in

>> them.

>>

>> Anyway, I was hoping to get some good ideas from others... there

> are sooo

>> many supplements and sooo much money being spent that I want it to

> be

>> worthwhile!!

>>

>> Sometimes I wish they had some sort of shunt opening to their

> stomach that

>> we could just put these in... I know it requires surgery to do

> this, but I

>> am at that point some days ;(

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Sue

>>

June 10, 2001

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& lt;tmykland@... & gt; wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:

5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " ><TT> & nbsp; I want

to ask all of the care givers if they are taking care

of their own nutritional, physical, and emotional

requirements. This is a truly excellent

question, Mike. & nbsp; This has been on my mind a good

deal lately, and for me, the answer is no, at

least as far as nutritional and physical. & nbsp;

I'm a fairly typical mom from these lists -- 3 kids,

age 10, 7 and 1. & nbsp; Three different sets of

food needs, school/social schedules, napping,

sleeping times, plus all the supplements for my

autistic child. & nbsp; It's a good day if I get my

teeth brushed, to be frank with you. & nbsp; Let

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I'm just too blasted with taking care of everybody

to have a brain cell to spare. & nbsp; Plus, I still

have a mouth full of mercury that's probably not

helping my mental capacity to remember

things. & nbsp; Feels like it's diminished along with my

muscle tone and my energy level since I had my 3rd

kid. Obviously, we'd have more to give the kids

if we were vital and energetic ourselves, but it

seems like a losing battle. & nbsp; It feels like one

too many things, beyond getting basic sleep,

enough of some kind of food and a little

relaxation and fun. & nbsp; I was thinking of taking

myself to the same chiropractor I've been taking

Zane to for NAET, just to see what he'd recommend,

as soon as our new insurance comes through. & nbsp; I'm

very tired all the time, and borderline depressed

sometimes. & nbsp; This is not meant as a complaint,

just fact. & nbsp; I don't know that there's any real

solution to this dilemma. & nbsp; The kids can't

just go away for a month while I take care of

myself! Terri At 07:02 PM 6/9/01 -0700,

you wrote: & gt; & nbsp; I want to ask all of the

care givers if they are taking care of their & gt;

own nutritional, physical, and emotional

requirements. & gt;Respectfully, & gt;Mike Menkes,

LMT & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Youshock Pruyn

& lt;sypruyn@... & gt; wrote: Is this information

& gt; around anywhere or can we maybe start

collecting it... & gt;some days are just sooo rough

dealing w/ getting their supplements into & gt;them;

yep, today was one of them, thus this

post! & gt; & gt;We can hide them in orange juice

for one of my sons, but for the other we & gt;use

peanut butter (put it in gfcf cereal, on a gfcf

waffle, or on a gfcf & gt;pretzel) and frozen orange

juice popsicles. & nbsp; The orange juice in sippy

cups & gt;is easy, but the peanut butter and

popsicles are tough because you have to & gt;sit

there and watch them like a hawk til they finish it

and if they don't & gt;want it you have to cheer

them on to finish it; and I have two other

kids, & gt;so it is almost impossible to be this

watchful! & gt; & gt;Occasionally we have to

syringe it into their mouths if for some reason

they & gt;won't take it they way we've hid it and we

probably only get about 1/2

in & gt;them. & gt; & gt;Anyway, I was hoping to

get some good ideas from others... there are

sooo & gt;many supplements and sooo much money being

spent that I want it to

be & gt;worthwhile!! & gt; & gt;Sometimes I wish

they had some sort of shunt opening to their stomach

that & gt;we could just put these in... I know it

requires surgery to do this, but I & gt;am at that

point some days

;( & gt; & gt;Thanks, & gt; & gt;Sue & gt; & gt; & gt;

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June 11, 2001

HI Meg,

Ben was about that age when he started supplements. Are you doing ABA with your

little guy? If so you would simply treat it as any other drill. Start out with

small empty caps WET THEM FIRST, this makes them slippery and easier to swallow

place them in his mouth, encourage 'no chewing' and reinforce for swallowing.

In the begining we used to have to hold our finger over his mouth as he would

try to spit them out but once he got the hang of it he's realised that it's

easier just to take them As with anything if you stick with it for awhile

it'll get easier.

Gel caps have been our savior, we actually had to switch him from a children's

chewable to a gel cap because he doesn't even like those! You might also want

to find a couple of GOOD tasting supps as reinforcement. As I said in my last

post we use Butterscotch E (GNC Brand) in the morning and cherry chewable

probiotics at night.

Toma

Re: [ ] Re: How parents/caregivers are getting

supplements into their children

>Date: Sun, Jun 10, 2001, 9:22 AM

>

> Sue,

>

> We started out by hiding everything BUT it got to a point where Ben no

> longer wanted to eat anything for fear we had hidden supps in it. What we

> have done is gotten ALL off his supplements in Gel Cap form(tasteless) and

> simply taught him to swallow them.

>

> We basically do it in an ABA fashion using his Butterscotch Vit E (GNC

> brand)as reinforcer in the morning and cherry flavored probiotics in the

> evening. We still get a fight from time to time but most of the time he

> will just take them.

>

> Toma

>

> Is this information

> around anywhere or can we maybe start collecting it...

>> some days are just sooo rough dealing w/ getting their supplements

> into

>> them; yep, today was one of them, thus this post!

>>

>> We can hide them in orange juice for one of my sons, but for the

> other we

>> use peanut butter (put it in gfcf cereal, on a gfcf waffle, or on a

> gfcf

>> pretzel) and frozen orange juice popsicles. The orange juice in

> sippy cups

>> is easy, but the peanut butter and popsicles are tough because you

> have to

>> sit there and watch them like a hawk til they finish it and if they

> don't

>> want it you have to cheer them on to finish it; and I have two

> other kids,

>> so it is almost impossible to be this watchful!

>>

>> Occasionally we have to syringe it into their mouths if for some

> reason they

>> won't take it they way we've hid it and we probably only get about

> 1/2 in

>> them.

>>

>> Anyway, I was hoping to get some good ideas from others... there

> are sooo

>> many supplements and sooo much money being spent that I want it to

> be

>> worthwhile!!

>>

>> Sometimes I wish they had some sort of shunt opening to their

> stomach that

>> we could just put these in... I know it requires surgery to do

> this, but I

>> am at that point some days ;(

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Sue

>>

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