Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 srebob97202: I agree this feels like a multi-sensory processing issue. However, that may be because I have other sensory sensitivities. For instance, I cut the tags out of my shirts because they scratch me, roll up shirt-sleeves and pant legs so they don't tickle my wrists or ankles, tie my hair back to keep little hairs from making my face itch, etc. I also have pain issues...achy joints, migraines, etc. However, where my other sensitivities are experienced as pain and/or annoyances, eating sounds induce panic -- definitely feels limbic in nature. Before I knew about " Misophonia " , and with much struggle to find a way to describe it to others, I wondered if maybe in a past life I was eaten alive, and that eating sounds reminded me of it? I don't know what I believe about past lives -- it's just a way to describe what I feel when I hear eating sounds. kathy > > I joined this group after seeing the NYT article, and as a fellow sufferer and retired psychologist, it's been moving to read the posts. I had the advantage of being able to construe my " issues " as having some sort of neurological basis. I saw them as a failure to filter or screen triggers that resulted in a mild to moderate actual physical pain that then resulted in aversion. I also was able to develop more coping skills through my three decades of Buddhist meditation. > But it doesn't make it go away: the usual gum chewing, eating, basketball type sounds and visual cues (men stroking their beards?) etc. I just have learned ways to turn away from it without blaming myself. > I do think it is a complex multi-sensory processing issue, but in neurological terms I am not so sure it goes directly to the limbic system as has been hypothesized. > > Just as in fibromyalgia, where certain skin sensitivities (e.g, wind on skin experienced as pain), I am wondering if this isn't a central nervous system problem where ordinary stimuli are experienced through the pain pathways. Certainly the greater awareness that is emerging will be a tremendous help, especially to our younger group members and I am very pleased about that. And it may spur further research. > > A side note, habituation means adaptation, not sensitization which I think would be the more appropriate term. this is from Wikipedia: > " Not to be confused with habit, habituation refers specifically to a type of non-associative learning in which repeated exposure to a stimulus leads to decreased responding.[1] The learning that underlies habituation is a basic process of biological systems and does not require conscious motivation or awareness to occur. Habituation enables organisms to distinguish meaningful information from irrelevant background stimuli. " > > " Sensitization is an example of non-associative learning in which the progressive amplification of a response follows repeated administrations of a stimulus.[1] An everyday example of this mechanism is the repeated tonic stimulation of peripheral nerves that will occur if a person rubs his arm continuously. After a while, this stimulation will create a warm sensation that will eventually turn painful. The pain is the result of the progressively amplified synaptic response of the peripheral nerves warning the person that the stimulation is harmful. Sensitization is thought to underlie both adaptive as well as maladaptive learning processes in the organism. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 I feel its in the sensory processing too... I have idiosyncrasies too, more than I can write down. . For me the sounds is like getting a surge of adrenaline in my brain, it echos in my ear like a little lightning bolt and sends a message back to me. I call it getting " pinged " . Just bc there is an autonomic response im feeling, sometimes a weakness, aggitation or anger. Its more certain sounds with me not so much someone eating.. at least not yet. Tracey srebob97202: I agree this feels like a multi-sensory processing issue. However, that may be because I have other sensory sensitivities. For instance, I cut the tags out of my shirts because they scratch me, roll up shirt-sleeves and pant legs so they don't tickle my wrists or ankles, tie my hair back to keep little hairs from making my face itch, etc. I also have pain issues...achy joints, migraines, etc. However, where my other sensitivities are experienced as pain and/or annoyances, eating sounds induce panic -- definitely feels limbic in nature. Before I knew about " Misophonia " , and with much struggle to find a way to describe it to others, I wondered if maybe in a past life I was eaten alive, and that eating sounds reminded me of it? I don't know what I believe about past lives -- it's just a way to describe what I feel when I hear eating sounds. kathy > > I joined this group after seeing the NYT article, and as a fellow sufferer and retired psychologist, it's been moving to read the posts. I had the advantage of being able to construe my " issues " as having some sort of neurological basis. I saw them as a failure to filter or screen triggers that resulted in a mild to moderate actual physical pain that then resulted in aversion. I also was able to develop more coping skills through my three decades of Buddhist meditation. > But it doesn't make it go away: the usual gum chewing, eating, basketball type sounds and visual cues (men stroking their beards?) etc. I just have learned ways to turn away from it without blaming myself. > I do think it is a complex multi-sensory processing issue, but in neurological terms I am not so sure it goes directly to the limbic system as has been hypothesized. > > Just as in fibromyalgia, where certain skin sensitivities (e.g, wind on skin experienced as pain), I am wondering if this isn't a central nervous system problem where ordinary stimuli are experienced through the pain pathways. Certainly the greater awareness that is emerging will be a tremendous help, especially to our younger group members and I am very pleased about that. And it may spur further research. > > A side note, habituation means adaptation, not sensitization which I think would be the more appropriate term. this is from Wikipedia: > " Not to be confused with habit, habituation refers specifically to a type of non-associative learning in which repeated exposure to a stimulus leads to decreased responding.[1] The learning that underlies habituation is a basic process of biological systems and does not require conscious motivation or awareness to occur. Habituation enables organisms to distinguish meaningful information from irrelevant background stimuli. " > > " Sensitization is an example of non-associative learning in which the progressive amplification of a response follows repeated administrations of a stimulus.[1] An everyday example of this mechanism is the repeated tonic stimulation of peripheral nerves that will occur if a person rubs his arm continuously. After a while, this stimulation will create a warm sensation that will eventually turn painful. The pain is the result of the progressively amplified synaptic response of the peripheral nerves warning the person that the stimulation is harmful. Sensitization is thought to underlie both adaptive as well as maladaptive learning processes in the organism. " > -- Tracey traceyr@... http://www.teachingleaninc.com (My Lean Blog) http://thetoyotagal.blogspot.com/http://www.linkedin.com/in/traceyrichardson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Kat, I too am very sensitive to irritating clothes of anything else that repeatedly rubs, scratches of bumps me. Like the antenna on my work radio that always bumps my forearm. Drives me nuts!! I also believe that we existed , at least as spirits, prior to coming to earth and may have had some prior trauma or experience that contributed to this condition. Just my opinion. MIke To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:53 AMSubject: Re: habituation srebob97202:I agree this feels like a multi-sensory processing issue. However, that may be because I have other sensory sensitivities. For instance, I cut the tags out of my shirts because they scratch me, roll up shirt-sleeves and pant legs so they don't tickle my wrists or ankles, tie my hair back to keep little hairs from making my face itch, etc. I also have pain issues...achy joints, migraines, etc.However, where my other sensitivities are experienced as pain and/or annoyances, eating sounds induce panic -- definitely feels limbic in nature.Before I knew about "Misophonia", and with much struggle to find a way to describe it to others, I wondered if maybe in a past life I was eaten alive, and that eating sounds reminded me of it? I don't know what I believe about past lives -- it's just a way to describe what I feel when I hear eating sounds.kathy>> I joined this group after seeing the NYT article, and as a fellow sufferer and retired psychologist, it's been moving to read the posts. I had the advantage of being able to construe my "issues" as having some sort of neurological basis. I saw them as a failure to filter or screen triggers that resulted in a mild to moderate actual physical pain that then resulted in aversion. I also was able to develop more coping skills through my three decades of Buddhist meditation.> But it doesn't make it go away: the usual gum chewing, eating, basketball type sounds and visual cues (men stroking their beards?) etc. I just have learned ways to turn away from it without blaming myself.> I do think it is a complex multi-sensory processing issue, but in neurological terms I am not so sure it goes directly to the limbic system as has been hypothesized. > > Just as in fibromyalgia, where certain skin sensitivities (e.g, wind on skin experienced as pain), I am wondering if this isn't a central nervous system problem where ordinary stimuli are experienced through the pain pathways. Certainly the greater awareness that is emerging will be a tremendous help, especially to our younger group members and I am very pleased about that. And it may spur further research.> > A side note, habituation means adaptation, not sensitization which I think would be the more appropriate term. this is from Wikipedia:> "Not to be confused with habit, habituation refers specifically to a type of non-associative learning in which repeated exposure to a stimulus leads to decreased responding.[1] The learning that underlies habituation is a basic process of biological systems and does not require conscious motivation or awareness to occur. Habituation enables organisms to distinguish meaningful information from irrelevant background stimuli."> > "Sensitization is an example of non-associative learning in which the progressive amplification of a response follows repeated administrations of a stimulus.[1] An everyday example of this mechanism is the repeated tonic stimulation of peripheral nerves that will occur if a person rubs his arm continuously. After a while, this stimulation will create a warm sensation that will eventually turn painful. The pain is the result of the progressively amplified synaptic response of the peripheral nerves warning the person that the stimulation is harmful. Sensitization is thought to underlie both adaptive as well as maladaptive learning processes in the organism."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I've always been sensitive to brushing-against-me stimuli, too, but assumed everyone felt that way. (I cut the label out of a shirt just a couple of days ago.) As a kid, I hated the feeling of grass touching my ankles and calves, as well as the sensation of sand pushing through my bare toes at the beach. I won't wear clothing that contains any wool--it itches--but that's pretty much a non-issue because I live in California. When I change my bedding, shake out the throw rugs, and dust and vacuum my bedroom, I swear I can feel the improved air quality on my face. Not just in my lungs, but *on my face*. It might be part of being a highly sensitive person. Ditto the misophonia. Jay > > > > I joined this group after seeing the NYT article, and as a fellow sufferer and retired psychologist, it's been moving to read the posts. I had the advantage of being able to construe my " issues " as having some sort of neurological basis. I saw them as a failure to filter or screen triggers that resulted in a mild to moderate actual physical pain that then resulted in aversion. I also was able to develop more coping skills through my three decades of Buddhist meditation. > > But it doesn't make it go away: the usual gum chewing, eating, basketball type sounds and visual cues (men stroking their beards?) etc. I just have learned ways to turn away from it without blaming myself. > > I do think it is a complex multi-sensory processing issue, but in neurological terms I am not so sure it goes directly to the limbic system as has been hypothesized. > > > > Just as in fibromyalgia, where certain skin sensitivities (e.g, wind on skin experienced as pain), I am wondering if this isn't a central nervous system problem where ordinary stimuli are experienced through the pain pathways. Certainly the greater awareness that is emerging will be a tremendous help, especially to our younger group members and I am very pleased about that. And it may spur further research. > > > > A side note, habituation means adaptation, not sensitization which I think would be the more appropriate term. this is from Wikipedia: > > " Not to be confused with habit, habituation refers specifically to a type of non-associative learning in which repeated exposure to a stimulus leads to decreased responding.[1] The learning that underlies habituation is a basic process of biological systems and does not require conscious motivation or awareness to occur. Habituation enables organisms to distinguish meaningful information from irrelevant background stimuli. " > > > > " Sensitization is an example of non-associative learning in which the progressive amplification of a response follows repeated administrations of a stimulus.[1] An everyday example of this mechanism is the repeated tonic stimulation of peripheral nerves that will occur if a person rubs his arm continuously. After a while, this stimulation will create a warm sensation that will eventually turn painful. The pain is the result of the progressively amplified synaptic response of the peripheral nerves warning the person that the stimulation is harmful. Sensitization is thought to underlie both adaptive as well as maladaptive learning processes in the organism. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 So you would say that we do not habituate as most people do, instead we become sensitized . . . > > I joined this group after seeing the NYT article, and as a fellow sufferer and retired psychologist, it's been moving to read the posts. I had the advantage of being able to construe my " issues " as having some sort of neurological basis. I saw them as a failure to filter or screen triggers that resulted in a mild to moderate actual physical pain that then resulted in aversion. I also was able to develop more coping skills through my three decades of Buddhist meditation. > But it doesn't make it go away: the usual gum chewing, eating, basketball type sounds and visual cues (men stroking their beards?) etc. I just have learned ways to turn away from it without blaming myself. > I do think it is a complex multi-sensory processing issue, but in neurological terms I am not so sure it goes directly to the limbic system as has been hypothesized. > > Just as in fibromyalgia, where certain skin sensitivities (e.g, wind on skin experienced as pain), I am wondering if this isn't a central nervous system problem where ordinary stimuli are experienced through the pain pathways. Certainly the greater awareness that is emerging will be a tremendous help, especially to our younger group members and I am very pleased about that. And it may spur further research. > > A side note, habituation means adaptation, not sensitization which I think would be the more appropriate term. this is from Wikipedia: > " Not to be confused with habit, habituation refers specifically to a type of non-associative learning in which repeated exposure to a stimulus leads to decreased responding.[1] The learning that underlies habituation is a basic process of biological systems and does not require conscious motivation or awareness to occur. Habituation enables organisms to distinguish meaningful information from irrelevant background stimuli. " > > " Sensitization is an example of non-associative learning in which the progressive amplification of a response follows repeated administrations of a stimulus.[1] An everyday example of this mechanism is the repeated tonic stimulation of peripheral nerves that will occur if a person rubs his arm continuously. After a while, this stimulation will create a warm sensation that will eventually turn painful. The pain is the result of the progressively amplified synaptic response of the peripheral nerves warning the person that the stimulation is harmful. Sensitization is thought to underlie both adaptive as well as maladaptive learning processes in the organism. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hi,Welcome and I think its great to yet to have another psychologist on board!I am interested in your meditation practice. In all those years of practice, have you made any progress, in noticing the triggers less? If so, I would love to know what form of meditation you practice. I find meditation focusing on the breath when I can force myself to do it on a regular basis, can help with stepping back from the trigger reactions and just noticing them but not getting to caught up in the emotional response. And of course it helps reduce stress in general. Nonetheless, I am unable to stop hearing the triggers, which really does a number on my ability to concentrate. Thank you. > > I joined this group after seeing the NYT article, and as a fellow sufferer and retired psychologist, it's been moving to read the posts. I had the advantage of being able to construe my "issues" as having some sort of neurological basis. I saw them as a failure to filter or screen triggers that resulted in a mild to moderate actual physical pain that then resulted in aversion. I also was able to develop more coping skills through my three decades of Buddhist meditation. > But it doesn't make it go away: the usual gum chewing, eating, basketball type sounds and visual cues (men stroking their beards?) etc. I just have learned ways to turn away from it without blaming myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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